US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Joe Molotov]

filler annihilated

[BlueTsunami]

I'll shriek about how problematic Biden is from now until he's out of the potential office but yes, being in a swing state and believing not voting for Biden places you on a higher moral ground will wreak far more havoc on an already shredded institution. Need to get out of this literal death spiral.

[team filler]

the zionists have taken everything from me

[Mandark]

Tulsi and Bernie endorsed Biden before Obama and now Orb Mom has endorsed him before the Clintons.

Imagine the odds you could have gotten on those prop bets.

[naff]

i like what greenwald has to say, but think he's being pretty dense when referring to bernie being hypocritical in his talk of revolution and standing up to the establishment because he worked in the halls of congress and respects biden on a personal level. it's pretty obvious when bernie speaks of revolution he's not talking about a complete systemic overhaul but moving the democratic platform back to the left and a big part of that is not necessarily winning but showing how big a chunk of the base does support more progressive policy and even if it's not the majority it's close, and giving them more leverage. like, yeah that's a pretty milquetoast revolution but that's what bernie's always seemed to be gunning for.

[BlueTsunami]

It's interesting how those most staunch with revolution in their hearts have the most potential for dipping this country further into a dark age that could span generations. Bernie would have had it right with evolutionary steps. One would still have to drag a large portion of this country kicking and screaming into the future.

[Mandark]

Voting for Biden's the right answer and the vast majority of Bernie supporters will do it. It's all good.

[OnlyRegret]

It's interesting how those most staunch with revolution in their hearts have the most potential for dipping this country further into a dark age that could span generations. Bernie would have had it right with evolutionary steps. One would still have to drag a large portion of this country kicking and screaming into the future.

too large of a chunk of your country will never cooperate 
can't agree on a pandemic, what will they agree on?

[Mandark]

I got 10 seconds into Greenwald talking and he started saying Chomsky's stance was more defensible in the 80's because the Republican party was bad back then.

Great job everyone.

[BlueTsunami]

It's interesting how those most staunch with revolution in their hearts have the most potential for dipping this country further into a dark age that could span generations. Bernie would have had it right with evolutionary steps. One would still have to drag a large portion of this country kicking and screaming into the future.

too large of a chunk of your country will never cooperate 
can't agree on a pandemic, what will they agree on?

That's the terrifying thing. How do you approach a third of a Republic that does not live in reality? There's a certain amount of subterfuge involved and so the sickness is maintained. Relying on a career politician to save us from a far worse fate. Such is our state. Other battles pushed to another day.

[BlueTsunami]

Too close then, now too far 🥴

[OnlyRegret]

filler, you once posted punjabis for trump or something and it was disappointing vibes
I found the antidote



https://twitter.com/SikhProf/status/1247917100095737859

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[Tasty]

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Dumb old biiiiiiiiiiiiiiatch

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https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1251844188649521154

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1251845018937163779

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1251845512648691713

 

[naff]

I got 10 seconds into Greenwald talking and he started saying Chomsky's stance was more defensible in the 80's because the Republican party was bad back then.

Great job everyone.

not to defend his statement, i disagree with his actual statement too in some ways (though agree, mainstream dem platform is extremely disappointing), but that's not what he said. he was speaking relatively and said back then the republican party was bad, but the democrats were relatively good. now the democrats and the republicans are terrible with little discernible difference, and in some respects the republicans are arguably better 

he idles on the first sentence on republicans in the 80s for a bit which makes it seem like he's just saying "they were worse back then" which also made me  until i heard him finish the sentence

[naff]

on another note idk about laura poitras (i really like her documentaries), but something that really gives me pause with greenwald sometimes is that he is such a trollish activist voice that people bring up as the new voice for the left with people like briahna joy gray p often over "the old guard" like chomsky, but he lives in what sounds like a pretty decked out compound in brazil working for a publication solely kept afloat by that ebay founder billionaire.

[VomKriege]

On the other hand, doesn't his partner get threats from some wonderful people in Brazil ?

Not that it negates anything you say, Greenwald is not someone who is easily pinned down.

[naff]

i honestly don't pay that much attention to gg and probably (too often?) write him off as a bit of a troll, just that aspect of his career seems a bit incongruous with the views he espouses, and similar to the establishment politicians taking big money he has so much disdain for, he's also living off big corporate neolib $$$. im pretty naive politically, but i find his brand of politics tough to swallow. feels very counter-intuitive for actually achieving anything.

[jorma]

on another note idk about laura poitras (i really like her documentaries), but something that really gives me pause with greenwald sometimes is that he is such a trollish activist voice that people bring up as the new voice for the left with people like briahna joy gray p often over "the old guard" like chomsky, but he lives in what sounds like a pretty decked out compound in brazil working for a publication solely kept afloat by that ebay founder billionaire.

isn't his boyfriend a congressman?
it's obviously his partners compound, and it's probably not entirely safe to live elsewhere :bolsonaroshrug

[VomKriege]

He's a congressman, gay (duh) and was under an investigation that was alleged to be targeted. Another gay representative relinquished office and left the country in 2019. I don't think living in Brazil is all roses for Greenwald.

[naff]

sorry for muh ignorant shitposts. boredom and working late on this database paper is wrecking me, I need to logout.

I should actually read some of his work beside his stuff for the guardian around Snowden so many years ago. the last few years I've only really seen his twitter tirades, ppl going off on his tucker appearances, watched some interviews, and read a few pieces on the intercept.

[VomKriege]

Don't feel too bad, Twitter turned everyone into a hot takes pundit (medium, message, etc...) and I'm not sure Greenwald escapes this.

[Mandark]

not to defend his statement, i disagree with his actual statement too in some ways (though agree, mainstream dem platform is extremely disappointing), but that's not what he said. he was speaking relatively and said back then the republican party was bad, but the democrats were relatively good. now the democrats and the republicans are terrible with little discernible difference, and in some respects the republicans are arguably better

I listened to another minute and this is an accurate characterization of what he said.

It's also a blatant lie and one that's aimed to soften Trump's image for a leftish audience.

[Occam]

While they essentially serve the same corporate masters, only one party is comically evil, actively destroying the rule of law, the environment and outright killing people.

[nachobro]

only one party is comically evil, actively destroying the rule of law, the environment and outright killing people.

[Trent Dole]

only one party is comically evil, actively destroying the rule of law, the environment and outright killing people.

Would it work if it was 'outright killing the citizens of its own country'?

[Occam]

That's what I meant.

[nachobro]

huge bummer for the brown people in other countries

[nachobro]

it's not the exact same but there's some overlap with banking, healthcare, and credit industries buying up both parties. defense industry too.

[nachobro]

credit card joe gonna roll back banking regulations to save america

[Occam]

Are there any regulations left at this point?

[Great Rumbler]

Are there any regulations left at this point?

Just the ones that hurt the working/middle classes.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251958283503624192

 

[Trurl]

How do you guys feel about this ad that's going around?  When I first saw it I thought it was pretty good, but left Twitter hates it and says it's Democrats trying to outdo Republican xenophobia.

I see their point but my first time watching it it seemed pretty targeted at Trump's incompetence.

[Nintex]

If Joe goes that route he's going to lose.

Trump and the GOP are way better at framing such issues.
In a similar ad, Trump linked both Hunter and Joe to Chinese interests. Trump is not beholden to Chinese interests. So unless this is a 4D Chess move that makes Trump more aggressive towards China so Biden can play 'good cop' this won't work at all.
Especially when Nancy Pelosi and her ilk are still triggered when someone calls it a Chinese virus. Which was ok for the Spanish Flu and MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) but not China.
For this to work you have to go all the way with the tough guy act and even if Joe will the rest of the Democrats won't. Joe won't win a pissing contest on China with Trump.

[Mandark]

My biggest gripe with that GG argument isn't whether the Democratic party is Good or Bad, it's that he's contrasting it against the allegedly superior... Democratic party of the 1980's.

C'mon!

[VomKriege]

How do you guys feel about this ad that's going around?  When I first saw it I thought it was pretty good, but left Twitter hates it and says it's Democrats trying to outdo Republican xenophobia.

I see their point but my first time watching it it seemed pretty targeted at Trump's incompetence.

I felt it had unfortunate undertones and it's a bit of a mess, which is more "Trump was soft on China" than "Trump policy on Corona is shit on top of being way too late in even aknowledging it". You could probably cut a series of shorter ads just hammering Trump much more efficiently about his Corona (lack of) foresight without bringing China into it. There's so much to choose from ! If Biden wants to call Trump hypocrisy towards China or frame himself as making the PRC more accountable, he can (well I'm pretty meh personally but Team America will Team America) but should do so in a different ad.

[team filler]

symbolism is important. a trump win in 2016 empowered and emboldened the white nationalists within the country, big win for them. a decisive 2020 win for the dirty dems will weaken the white nationalists cause. both candidates are shit, but weakening the whites is best you can hope for out of a biden win.

[Nintex]

So hypothetically what would the Democrats do if Trump thinks it is payback time with regards to China and he starts doing the things that his base wants, like kick China out of the UN and WTO.
Will they rush to defend China or will they cheer him on and say: "Yeah, and cut all trade as well" they're basically on course to an impossible position.

[Mandark]

So hypothetically what would the Democrats do if Trump thinks it is payback time with regards to China and he starts doing the things that his base wants, like kick China out of the UN and WTO.

good question

also what will they do if trump throws down a thunderous slam dunk on a regulation height nba hoop?

[Nintex]

So hypothetically what would the Democrats do if Trump thinks it is payback time with regards to China and he starts doing the things that his base wants, like kick China out of the UN and WTO.

good question

also what will they do if trump throws down a thunderous slam dunk on a regulation height nba hoop?

Get out of your orange man bad bubble Mandark.
This was just aired by a left wing state broadcaster on Dutch television who usually does the weekly Trump bashing bits.
Showing the timeline of the Chinese cover up of the virus. Implying a gay relationship between Xi and the head of the WHO,
calling on China to ban wet markets before they cause another deadly disease.





And I quote: "The WHO should stop ass kissing China"

It's much easier for European governments to blame China than to produce PPE's and this is the left vegan wing of the political spectrum.

[VomKriege]

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Ah yes, Jan van Oliver.

[Nintex]

In Germany they do it differently. They call on China to pay for the economic damage and wonder:
"Why are your toxic labs not as secure as your prisons?"

https://twitter.com/jreichelt/status/1251431001999527936

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/KenTremendous/status/1252005716056891392

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/JAdomian/status/1251999465814147073

[HaughtyFrank]

https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1251876736939237376

 

People are going insane

[Nintex]

Sounds like Trump will pardon Stone, Flynn and Manafort 

[Nintex]

LISTEN CNN 

Your ratings are terrible, you're pathetic

Go ahead

[Mandark]

Get out of your orange man bad bubble Mandark.
This was just aired by a left wing state broadcaster on Dutch television who usually does the weekly Trump bashing bits.
Showing the timeline of the Chinese cover up of the virus. Implying a gay relationship between Xi and the head of the WHO,
calling on China to ban wet markets before they cause another deadly disease.

And I quote: "The WHO should stop ass kissing China"

It's much easier for European governments to blame China than to produce PPE's and this is the left vegan wing of the political spectrum.

none of that has to do with you thinking trump can kick china out of the un

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/MollyBeck/status/1251918239631921153

Is she protesting the lack of tests, masks and vaccines? 

[benjipwns]

none of that has to do with you thinking trump can kick china out of the un

You should have bolded the WTO part too. Because no one has ever been kicked out of the WTO, at least certain governments (if not states) have been both removed from and limited within the UN. Hong Kong, China and Taiwan were all independent WTO members at one point and might still be.

[Mandark]

they said they wanted it to be the party of fdr again

[benjipwns]

On the podcast, Biden and Klobuchar talk about spouses, friends, and Klobuchar's life before the Senate.

 

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https://twitter.com/lwoodhouse/status/1251935647033552897

 

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no Stoller content in this thread, please

stost sr content good? 

https://twitter.com/OurRevolutionNV/status/1251814254904107008

[Mandark]

The sides agreed that Tuesday's Wisconsin primary was an important benchmark — as a Sanders advisor put it, they have been trying to land the plane for some time, but “Wisconsin gave us a natural exit ramp.”

Though Wisconsin’s results would take days to come in, the Sanders team nonetheless knew the trajectory of the race was not changing no matter what the outcome. But he would stay in the race in part to help continue driving Democratic turnout for a state Supreme Court election that was a priority for local Democrats.

Biden’s campaign also made clear that they were eager for that specific date to hold firm, and they were prepared, if it did not, to shift their public rhetoric ever so slightly to turn the heat up for Sanders to take steps to begin uniting the party.

Obama especially emphasized that in his conversations with Sanders, another source involved with the process told NBC.  But Obama, and Biden as he has said publicly, never once themselves told Sanders to drop out.

A number of people speculated that Bernie was staying in partly to help turnout for the WI Supreme Court race. Looks like they were right.

[benjipwns]

some of those voters probably voted Republican though

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/1251110026204393474

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1251259658452578305

"This was a political attack designed to take away from the issue at hand. And to use this outbreak to play politics. We have addressed this and taken extraordinary measures to make sure that we can't be attacked for our success. This gets at the very heart of why I came to Washington, to defend free enterprise, to defend capitalism. This is a socialist attack. We have taken extraordinary measures, and I am focused solely on working for Georgians. I have been doing that seven days a week, around the clock. And it's my honor to be here and serve, and that's why I stepped out of the private sector."

lmao

[team filler]

This was just aired by a left wing state broadcaster on Dutch television who usually does the weekly Trump bashing bits.
Showing the timeline of the Chinese cover up of the virus. Implying a gay relationship between Xi and the head of the WHO,
calling on China to ban wet markets before they cause another deadly disease.

nintex is exactly one step away from discovering that social democrats are the left wing of capital. he will never connect the final dots

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1252123454855245825