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« Reply #6121 on: May 20, 2017, 08:14:53 AM »
Speaking of "Russiagate", isn't Trump the worst covert operative ever by inviting his handlers to the White House to leak intelligence ?

He's no operative, just a dumb fuck.

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« Reply #6122 on: May 20, 2017, 08:46:45 AM »
t_d is fucking garbage.

I hope they stay private forever.

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« Reply #6123 on: May 20, 2017, 08:49:05 AM »
If it's true that they're the reason you can filter r/all, then I'm actually kind of thankful for their brief existence.

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« Reply #6124 on: May 20, 2017, 09:25:54 AM »
If it's true that they're the reason you can filter r/all, then I'm actually kind of thankful for their brief existence.

Wow if true

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« Reply #6125 on: May 20, 2017, 10:29:38 AM »
The morons on t_d are useless cunts. Why should anyone spare a second's thought for them? Everything that is happening to them is a direct result of their shitty behavior.

In that spirit, I think we should all just put etoilet on ignore.
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« Reply #6126 on: May 20, 2017, 10:38:05 AM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/20/melania-trump-arrives-saudi-arabia-without-headscarf-two-years/

I love that we get shit like this every other day.  Its incredible. 
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« Reply #6127 on: May 20, 2017, 10:46:40 AM »
after two first ladies pulling this i think we may have to start questioning if the saudi royal family truly still respects us and remains completely forthright and honest

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« Reply #6128 on: May 20, 2017, 01:57:09 PM »
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Luckily for the Democratic Party, there isn’t really a pre-built media ecosystem for amplifying this like there was for Republicans.
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« Reply #6129 on: May 20, 2017, 02:52:06 PM »
The left has mainstream cable news and networks, the blogosphere, plenty of social media presence, the printed press, and entertainment/Hollywood. (Which gives them pop culture television)

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« Reply #6130 on: May 20, 2017, 03:41:55 PM »
Listening to stuff like Democracy now! could count I guess?

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« Reply #6131 on: May 20, 2017, 03:43:59 PM »
You also are talking about a "political media ecosystem". That's all media now. The news business is about telling people what they want to hear on both sides. News channels are mostly op-ed and entertainment. If the left didn't have a strong news eco-system liek the right, then they'd be out of business.

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« Reply #6132 on: May 20, 2017, 04:23:27 PM »
What about the LIBERAL CUCKS at Fox News that haven't even solved Seth Rich's murder yet?
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« Reply #6133 on: May 20, 2017, 04:47:33 PM »
They solved it.  It was the DNC.  They just haven't solved finding the evidence for that yet. 
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« Reply #6134 on: May 20, 2017, 05:58:36 PM »
CNN isn't the left's Fox News in the same nature as Fox News. It just plays its part. The comment was about a liberal news eco system with which false or bad info spreads as it does on the right. It does so via the information(and really opinion) avenues I listed.

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« Reply #6135 on: May 20, 2017, 06:19:07 PM »
I think is clear is that is mostly about the ratings and the advertisers for the News Networks than spreading desinformation for the sake of it or reporting news. Even O Reilly bites the dust if the pressure is high enough and the network doesnt get enough money from his air time anymore.

The thing is that Fox News is so blatant and unapolagetic in its misinformation that has a shit standard on its own.

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« Reply #6136 on: May 20, 2017, 06:21:12 PM »
Idk, MSNBC is pretty close to being a part of the DNC from the hours of 5PM-midnight during the week.

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« Reply #6138 on: May 20, 2017, 08:14:05 PM »
just pictured Hannity as white isamu

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« Reply #6139 on: May 20, 2017, 11:41:03 PM »
Idk, MSNBC is pretty close to being a part of the DNC from the hours of 5PM-midnight during the week.
Even then I don't see the equivalent.

Fox, Breit-bart(with Trump in the WH), and talk radio, and pretty much all major America right-wing media is just partisan party advocacy dressed up as news. There are no credible journalistic standards involved. No strict ideological standards like you see from places like The Economist or Democracy Now. They bend, contort, and morph to whatever the party is pushing at the moment.  if it isn't straight textbook propaganda, it is damn close.

As obnoxious as some of the MSNBC shows get, and the occasional  :neogaf moments. Like Maddow's Trump tax kerfuffle. At its root it doesn't function on that same wavelength. It's for-profit left leaning news. 

Plus the biggest distinction I see is that if you are in the right-wing bubble, there is pretty much no outlet that has credibility as a true news organization or has a passable level of standards. I guess WSJ, but really it has always been a pretty stark line between the editorial and the reporting side.
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« Reply #6140 on: May 20, 2017, 11:43:02 PM »
Did you know Sanders endorsed Clinton TWO DAYS after the murder of Seth Rich...?
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« Reply #6142 on: May 20, 2017, 11:59:00 PM »
If you think any major outlet has cred at this point then you haven't been paying attention.

I think PBS News Hour is still pretty legit, but nobody brings them up because nobody watches actual news.

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« Reply #6143 on: May 21, 2017, 12:04:44 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/20/trump-mocked-obama-for-bowing-to-a-saudi-king-and-then-he/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.c1e73a7ac1d8

Perfect case and point to what I just said lol.

Breit-Bart, Fox, Drudge(and I suspect there will be no mention of this Monday on Talk radio) all conveniently ignoring what was a scandal for years when Obama did it.  Just like the Comey firing flip-flop the other week.



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« Reply #6144 on: May 21, 2017, 12:09:03 AM »
If you think any major outlet has cred at this point then you haven't been paying attention.

I think PBS News Hour is still pretty legit, but nobody brings them up because nobody watches actual news.

Nah:



There is a chasm in the quality difference between the two camps. The right basically puts trust in talking heads, Fox News and Drudge. The left gets a pretty healthy dose of credible news, and none of them are really at the garbage tier of most of what the right consumes.

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« Reply #6145 on: May 21, 2017, 12:15:09 AM »
Yes, polls. They were very useful for the election.

Meanwhile, every site has gone tabloid to survive. They must surely be trusted.

Q: Do you think youth trust WSJ after the pewdiepie thing? I doubt it.

edit: Might as well, but still a poll

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

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« Reply #6146 on: May 21, 2017, 12:34:56 AM »
Every site ET, every site? Pure tabloid? Sounding like a typical right-wing partisan ET. Trying to create a false equivalence where one doesn't exist.

Complete with "polls aren't to be trusted"......."Here look at this poll I just found" argument.

But really, MSM is such a relative term that it is pretty hard to discern too much from polls like that. Though it does sort of fall into line with what I just posted in that the right seems to not trust anything but their shit-tier echo chamber.



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« Reply #6147 on: May 21, 2017, 12:49:51 AM »
If you think any major outlet has cred at this point then you haven't been paying attention.

I think PBS News Hour is still pretty legit, but nobody brings them up because nobody watches actual news.

Nah:

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There is a chasm in the quality difference between the two camps. The right basically puts trust in talking heads, Fox News and Drudge. The left gets a pretty healthy dose of credible news, and none of them are really at the garbage tier of most of what the right consumes.


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« Reply #6148 on: May 21, 2017, 01:45:47 AM »
I mean a sizeable portion of left leaning people only tolerate CNN / MSNBC at best. Fox has a much stronger grasp on its viewerbase overall.

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« Reply #6149 on: May 21, 2017, 01:52:54 AM »
Every site ET, every site? Pure tabloid? Sounding like a typical right-wing partisan ET. Trying to create a false equivalence where one doesn't exist.

Complete with "polls aren't to be trusted"......."Here look at this poll I just found" argument.

But really, MSM is such a relative term that it is pretty hard to discern too much from polls like that. Though it does sort of fall into line with what I just posted in that the right seems to not trust anything but their shit-tier echo chamber.

No, real right leaning trust a Breitbart and Fox News. You can't argue they believe InfoWars too much and then claim wide-reaching distrust is right wing.

It's the forgotten folks and the young who have ditched news.

Heck, why the hell are Colbert and the Daily Show on there? Those are comedy shows. That they are included is almost a cipher to how the whole thing is a mess.

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« Reply #6150 on: May 21, 2017, 02:29:25 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/20/trump-mocked-obama-for-bowing-to-a-saudi-king-and-then-he/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.c1e73a7ac1d8

Perfect case and point to what I just said lol.

Breit-Bart, Fox, Drudge(and I suspect there will be no mention of this Monday on Talk radio) all conveniently ignoring what was a scandal for years when Obama did it.  Just like the Comey firing flip-flop the other week.

To be fair, one is bowing to salute him the other is bowing to get his bling bling.

Not that it makes a difference in the context of being all friendly with these pieces of shit anyway.

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« Reply #6151 on: May 21, 2017, 02:35:05 AM »
Honestly nowadays I prefer the dryness of PBS (helps that I don't have cable :doge) and NPR. I also use CBC and BBC a lot online, especially for international news. 

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« Reply #6152 on: May 21, 2017, 02:44:02 AM »

Q: Do you think youth trust WSJ after the pewdiepie thing? I doubt it.


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« Reply #6153 on: May 21, 2017, 02:46:41 AM »
Heck, why the hell are Colbert and the Daily Show on there? Those are comedy shows. That they are included is almost a cipher to how the whole thing is a mess.

Really? I consumed an awful lot of news via the Daily Show circa the Bush elections in college.

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« Reply #6154 on: May 21, 2017, 03:34:58 AM »
Heck, why the hell are Colbert and the Daily Show on there? Those are comedy shows. That they are included is almost a cipher to how the whole thing is a mess.

Really? I consumed an awful lot of news via the Daily Show circa the Bush elections in college.

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« Reply #6155 on: May 21, 2017, 06:05:37 AM »
I actually like Buzzfeed, or at least some of their writers.

in other news, the_donald is back up and has somehow ascended to a new level of shittiness.
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« Reply #6156 on: May 21, 2017, 06:27:57 AM »
Really? I consumed an awful lot of news via the Daily Show circa the Bush elections in college.

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From 2007, so near the end of the Bush era.

http://www.people-press.org/2007/04/15/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions/

Look who's at the top for largest % of highly informed. And shocker, Fox News viewers are near the bottom. 

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« Reply #6157 on: May 21, 2017, 07:12:50 AM »
It's interesting that the Russian conspiracy theorists aren't particularly leftist. Mensch was a conservative MP in the UK, Garland seems centrist. And the Russia thing is used pretty often against the left wing by establishment dems (why are you yelling about universal care? Don't you know Russia is more important?). The dynamic isn't really comparable to the right-wing media, which is all about selling and confirming core conservative orthodoxy to those already susceptible to it.

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« Reply #6158 on: May 21, 2017, 08:29:55 AM »
Guys, seriously. Just stop engaging him. Maybe eventually he'll realize he's the equivalent of a feces covered unwanted party guest and wander off to troll WoW fans about how superior Guild Wars 2 is again.
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« Reply #6159 on: May 21, 2017, 08:48:00 AM »
besides accuracy issues, the other problem with some of the Russiasphere stuff is that paranoia about "foreign influence" is ultimately a right-wing frame even if it happens to work for liberal parties in particular instances.
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« Reply #6160 on: May 21, 2017, 01:16:10 PM »
It's interesting that the Russian conspiracy theorists aren't particularly leftist. Mensch was a conservative MP in the UK, Garland seems centrist. And the Russia thing is used pretty often against the left wing by establishment dems (why are you yelling about universal care? Don't you know Russia is more important?). The dynamic isn't really comparable to the right-wing media, which is all about selling and confirming core conservative orthodoxy to those already susceptible to it.

Just because Mensch took it to a new level of loony doesn't discount that the conspiracy comes from the Dem party first and gets repeated in left wing news.

Though how much right wing news do people here actually see? I use facebook and just being alive for left wing news, and twitter for right wing news. My twitter feed was full of complaints about Trump's mini-bow to Saudi. People here think the right were silent on it, but bitching about it was all over twitter.

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« Reply #6161 on: May 21, 2017, 01:23:56 PM »
Really? I consumed an awful lot of news via the Daily Show circa the Bush elections in college.

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From 2007, so near the end of the Bush era.
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http://www.people-press.org/2007/04/15/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions/

Look who's at the top for largest % of highly informed. And shocker, Fox News viewers are near the bottom. 

 :shaq

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/20/jon-stewart/jon-stewart-says-those-who-watch-fox-news-are-most/

To Jon's credit, he corrected this on air.

The problem with TDS at that time is that it saw what it thought was a problem, but its approach in attacking the problem and its solution ended up worse than what was before. I say this as somoene who watched a lot of Daily Show at that time, too.

Jon had a problem with talking heads barking back and forth, a noisier, more entertainment driven form of ye olde Buckley debates. Now we have actual party reps just stating party lines without interaction or real debate. Echo chambers are huge and the very mode of business for news. In general, he had issues with the way major news was operating, but he only showed those news platforms that you could get higher ratings by ditching fairness and becoming a one-sided entertainment show.

People got used to news via TDS, which made them expect news as entertainment. This has been an awful turn, imo.

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« Reply #6162 on: May 21, 2017, 01:29:08 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/20/the-seth-rich-conspiracy-shows-how-fake-news-still-works/?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.8c3d4bdb2b24

never seen a rebuttal to the obvious point that Wikileaks didn't uncover any bombshells that would lead to someone getting killed (after the leaks had already happened). Which is why I continue to believe the driving force for this=people who think Pizzagate is real.
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« Reply #6163 on: May 21, 2017, 01:37:10 PM »
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Heck, why the hell are Colbert and the Daily Show on there? Those are comedy shows. That they are included is almost a cipher to how the whole thing is a mess.

Like I said, if they just stuck to credible news, the right-wing would basically only have one outlet on the chart. And it's not even a highly popular one to them except for the shitty op-ed section.

And really what more does it say when two comedy shows are more credible and responsible with their news coverage then all but maybe one fully trusted right-wing source?

But maybe in another decade some new scandal can hit Fox and for a brief 24 hours or so we can once again speculate if Murdoch and company will actually go through with turning Fox into an actual news organization?

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« Reply #6164 on: May 21, 2017, 01:55:37 PM »
It's interesting that the Russian conspiracy theorists aren't particularly leftist. Mensch was a conservative MP in the UK, Garland seems centrist. And the Russia thing is used pretty often against the left wing by establishment dems (why are you yelling about universal care? Don't you know Russia is more important?). The dynamic isn't really comparable to the right-wing media, which is all about selling and confirming core conservative orthodoxy to those already susceptible to it.

I dunno, plenty of "911 is an inside job" leftists in Europe during the Bush years. It's really proportionate to how bad / powerless the "Left" is feeling at that point. Some of the logorrhea attached to Marxism lends itself nicely to conspiracy talk too. It died off quickly after W. left office.
At the risk of sounding like a FSB asset, the whole "Russiagate" thing is different in that I feel it's taking its roots in views that are very much the institutional, consensual within the elite, viewpoint of painting Russia as a dangerous rival or antagonist, maybe unfairly (or to a caricatural extent).

I'd be wary linking some political wings with a propension for believing conspiracies. As always, it's also a matter of what you classify as a "conspiracy" or more kindly as a "misconception" or a "common myth".
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« Reply #6166 on: May 21, 2017, 02:23:49 PM »
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« Reply #6167 on: May 21, 2017, 03:03:45 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/20/the-seth-rich-conspiracy-shows-how-fake-news-still-works/?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.8c3d4bdb2b24

never seen a rebuttal to the obvious point that Wikileaks didn't uncover any bombshells that would lead to someone getting killed (after the leaks had already happened). Which is why I continue to believe the driving force for this=people who think Pizzagate is real.

Before anyone freaks out again, I only feel it possible that Seth Rich is the leak and that's mostly to do with Assange spending money and attention on it and one anon source.It's also because wiki's other leaks were from people inside.

But I can break down the misleading techniques in this article.

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Within 24 hours, reporters at NBC News, CNN and The Washington Post had debunked the story.

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First, Rich's family quickly corrected the idea that Wheeler was on their payroll; he was hired by Ed Butowsky, a Texas businessman who had grown interested in the case.


Wheeler isn't on their payroll, but he is working for the family. Butowsky is paying. The family can't afford a PI. They probably also can't likely afford a PR lawyer who has been making their statements for them, so that guy is probably being paid by someone else. He's also not your regular family lawyer, but a political worker for the progressives.  Wheeler was shown as discredited, but nobody debunked the story or proved the story true. All you have is Fox News anon source vs CNN's anon source.

These lack of little details actually make it easier for WaPo to declare WaPo debunked the story, but that's not what they did. The only thing established is that Wheeler is unreliable, and changed his story back and forth. The anon sources aren't reported by Wheeler or just Wheeler. They come from Fox News and CNN.

The piece then dismisses the wikileaks as nothing, which makes it a green shinobi special.

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In fact, Wasserman Schultz's mismanagement of the DNC, and personal bias toward Hillary Clinton, had been known, and a sore spot for supporters of Sanders, long before the hack. Wasserman Schultz scheduled debates late in the process, and had to be pushed by the Sanders campaign to allow a debate before the New York primary. Clinton, who'd narrowly lost the 2008 primary, came into 2016 with the vast majority of endorsements from party leaders — not actually a factor under the DNC's control. What the emails found was that in May, after Sanders had no serious chance at the nomination,

So the question is what is it then? If DWS was heavily biased, and the leaks show them expressing that bias and working within that bias, why do we assume May is the only point where this was happening? "Sure, the head of DNC wanted to work against Sanders, but the leaks only show May! Where we assure you the process was over!" The writer doesn't truly believe their own argument on a level that matters. To admit that the DNC and DWS had intent against Sanders is damage enough. There is never a smoking gun like that in most occurrences, because nobody is that stupid at high levels. However, the leaks showed Sanders walking into a system ready to work against him.

So asking for a bombshell is raising the bar of what is required in order to dismiss what is revealed when what is revealed is damaging enough on its own.

But for me, this is the sneaky part that people here have been doing as well:

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The absolute faith that there will one day be proof of this conspiracy theory — proof that Democrats carried out a political murder to punish a leak that had already happened — is impervious to reality.

That is the actual conspiracy, that the Dems has Rich killed, and that conspiracy goes further into other deaths. However, Rich being the leak, which is what all of the recent news articles have been about, is not conspiracy. It's a possibility that is hinted to by some, but we have no proof. We also have no proof where the leak came from. It's an unsolved mystery, not a conspiracy. But if you paint the two together, you can associate the valid question with the grand conspiracy. That's manipulation.

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« Reply #6168 on: May 21, 2017, 03:08:15 PM »
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« Reply #6169 on: May 21, 2017, 03:09:48 PM »
lol

Hey, remember when I said Jon Stewart's approach to comedy news would be damaging and you said it was a bunch of nothing, and here we are, years later with entertainment news being the norm thanks to that?

Care to comment?

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« Reply #6170 on: May 21, 2017, 03:16:27 PM »
I've always thought the main source of media bias is in what they choose to cover and to what extent more so in how they choose to cover it (other than the time/detail devoted to it) and this becomes stark during elections because not only do you have the various media outlets but you also have the campaigns with their own narratives. Sure all have their own biases either ideologically or politically but that's far easier to control for. How many times have you read stories where all the pertinent information is "below the fold" or worse? How many times does a story leave you with all kinds of practical questions that it ignored to include more reaction quotes or "win/loss" and OPTICS discussion? Surely, it can't be only me.

It was kinda funny during the post-election shellshock period how many people were responding to their "bubble" being popped by saying "clearly I needed to have consumed more of the same media!" As if they had missed a signal among the noise that would have prepped them for a Trump victory. I assume most of them were back to their old habits in no time.

Never did they consider something truly revolutionary like limiting their media intake to only that approved by Bob Avakian and Yum! Brands.

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« Reply #6171 on: May 21, 2017, 03:22:50 PM »
No one is taking ownership of the supposed FBI source ET. Local Fox points to Wheeler, Wheeler now points to Fox.

All in the face of several corroborating sources, from several independently operating organizations, that punch a hole through the heart of that elusive source you keep clinging too. Since the FBI has never had in its possession the laptop that the Wheeler(or not Wheeler) source hinges on. They aren't even involved in the investigation.

Just drop the nonsense....Though I can't help but point out you falling into the same trap I keep seeing on all the conspiracy blogs, namely simultaneously chastising the DNC for enormous incompetences, while the entire conspiracy is hinged on the DNC being competent criminal masterminds....As PD points out, all to cover up a bunch of emails that are nowhere near this consequential.

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« Reply #6172 on: May 21, 2017, 03:25:52 PM »
Fox News took ownership of the federal investigator source. It's in the article. Wheeler is a mess, but perhaps irrelevant.

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All in the face of several corroborating sources, from several independently operating organizations, that punch a hole through the heart of that elusive source you keep clinging too.

What are you talking about?


Again, this is about Rich possibly being the DNC leak. That's not a shocking idea.

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« Reply #6173 on: May 21, 2017, 03:28:40 PM »
Hey, remember when I said Jon Stewart's approach to comedy news would be damaging and you said it was a bunch of nothing, and here we are, years later with entertainment news being the norm thanks to that?

Care to comment?


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« Reply #6174 on: May 21, 2017, 03:37:32 PM »
Fox News took ownership of the federal investigator source. It's in the article. Wheeler is a mess, but perhaps irrelevant.

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All in the face of several corroborating sources, from several independently operating organizations, that punch a hole through the heart of that elusive source you keep clinging too.

What are you talking about?


Again, this is about Rich possibly being the DNC leak. That's not a shocking idea.
Might want to check back in with that story ET:

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WASHINGTON - EDITOR'S NOTE (5/17/17): We want to update you on a story you first saw on FOX 5 DC. We want to make an important clarification on claims that were made by Rod Wheeler, the private investigator hired by Seth Rich's family, whose services are being paid for by a third party.

What he told FOX 5 DC on camera Monday regarding Seth Rich's murder investigation is in clear contrast to what he has said over the last 48 hours. Rod Wheeler has since backtracked.

In an interview Monday, Wheeler told FOX 5 DC he had sources at the FBI confirming there was evidence of communication between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks. This is the verbatim of that exchange:

 FOX 5 DC: “You have sources at the FBI saying that there is information...”

WHEELER: "For sure..."

FOX 5 DC: “...that could link Seth Rich to WikiLeaks?"

WHEELER: "Absolutely. Yeah. That's confirmed."

In the past 48 hours, Rod Wheeler has told other media outlets he did not get his information from FBI sources, contradicting what he told us on Monday.

Since Rod Wheeler backtracked Tuesday, FOX 5 DC attempted incessantly to communicate with him, but he didn't return calls or emails.

On Wednesday, just before our newscast, Wheeler responded to our requests via a telephone conversation, where he now backtracks his position and Wheeler characterizes his on-the-record and on-camera statements as "miscommunication."

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story

Like I said, time to move on. You bought stock into the new Pizzagate. Get out now and invest wiser in the future.
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« Reply #6175 on: May 21, 2017, 03:58:10 PM »
Yes, Wheeler is unreliable. Wheeler isn't the Fed source.

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« Reply #6176 on: May 21, 2017, 04:31:14 PM »
Yes, Wheeler is unreliable. Wheeler isn't the Fed source.
The supposed Fed source, which is getting bounced back and forth from Wheeler as his own source, and then not as his own source, makes assertions that are just not in line with what Newsweek and NBC have independently corroborated about the investigation. Which is that the FBI does not have the laptop, never had the laptop, and is not even investigating the case right now.

Even if the source exists, it is being discredited by independent corroborating sources. But even its existence is questionable right now with how Wheeler and cable FoxNews continues to handle it.







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« Reply #6177 on: May 21, 2017, 04:35:57 PM »


when did they start making these, did gillespie get fired or something?

"the john oliver you got off craigslist" :lol

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« Reply #6178 on: May 21, 2017, 05:08:14 PM »
Yes, Wheeler is unreliable. Wheeler isn't the Fed source.

I guess you're purposely ignoring the CNN report I posted yesterday that the FBI does not have the laptop huh

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A FoxNews.com story on the case also cited a "federal source" who said the FBI had conducted a forensic analysis of Rich's computer and discovered thousands of emails with Wikileaks. But a law enforcement official told CNN that the FBI never had possession of Rich's laptop and did not conduct a forensic analysis of its contents.

Neither Fox News nor WTTG-TV have issued corrections to their reports.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/17/media/seth-rich-family-apology-retraction-fox-news-wttg/index.html
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« Reply #6179 on: May 21, 2017, 05:13:01 PM »
Yes, Wheeler is unreliable. Wheeler isn't the Fed source.

I guess you're purposely ignoring the CNN report I posted yesterday that the FBI does not have the laptop huh

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A FoxNews.com story on the case also cited a "federal source" who said the FBI had conducted a forensic analysis of Rich's computer and discovered thousands of emails with Wikileaks. But a law enforcement official told CNN that the FBI never had possession of Rich's laptop and did not conduct a forensic analysis of its contents.

Neither Fox News nor WTTG-TV have issued corrections to their reports.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/17/media/seth-rich-family-apology-retraction-fox-news-wttg/index.html

...And Newsweek has looked into it, and NBC.