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« Reply #6240 on: May 24, 2017, 05:01:33 PM »


 :woody :woody :woody :woody

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« Reply #6241 on: May 24, 2017, 05:31:24 PM »
On the flip side, soon we will be a nation of very healthy people.

You can't get sick if you're already dead.  :rollsafe

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« Reply #6242 on: May 24, 2017, 05:33:36 PM »
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/867172280350146561



"Experienced criminal investigator"?

His bio says he was a lawyer at a Public Defender's office in New Hampshire from 2001 to 2007

Being a defence lawyer does not make you a "criminal investigator", duder.

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« Reply #6243 on: May 24, 2017, 05:42:28 PM »
What in the FUCK.  David is no longer the host of FP's ER podcast.

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« Reply #6244 on: May 24, 2017, 05:51:18 PM »
Yea...this would not have passed the House if the CBO report came out first.
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« Reply #6245 on: May 24, 2017, 05:51:26 PM »
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52752

CBO analysis for the revised AHCA bill is out.

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CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under H.R. 1628 than under current law. The increase in the number of uninsured people relative to the number projected under current law would reach 19 million in 2020 and 23 million in 2026. In 2026, an estimated 51 million people under age 65 would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law. Under the legislation, a few million of those people would use tax credits to purchase policies that would not cover major medical risks.

Republicans kind of got handed an out with the last line there, as they can spin "major medical risks" as being maternity care for a 55 year old man or whatever. It's stupid, but their base is also stupid, so it'll probably work. CBO did say that this is only "a few million" of the total though.

Another interesting bit here:

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Finally, about one-sixth of the population resides in states that would obtain waivers involving both the EHBs and community rating and that would allow premiums to be set on the basis of an individual’s health status in a substantial portion of the nongroup market, CBO and JCT anticipate. As in other states, average premiums would be lower than under current law because a younger and healthier population would be purchasing the insurance and because large changes to the EHB requirements would cause plans to a cover a smaller percentage of expected health care costs. In addition, premiums would vary significantly according to health status and the types of benefits provided, and less healthy people would face extremely high premiums, despite the additional funding that would be available under H.R. 1628 to help reduce premiums. Over time, it would become more difficult for less healthy people (including people with preexisting medical conditions) in those states to purchase insurance because their premiums would continue to increase rapidly. As a result of the narrower scope of covered benefits and the difficulty less healthy people would face purchasing insurance, average premiums for people who did purchase insurance would generally be lower than in other states—but the variation around that average would be very large. CBO and JCT do not have an estimate of how much lower those premiums would be.

Nah, there is no out. This is a bag of shit all around.

Even the people that are getting insurance, who would see lower premiums, it is largely because you are getting fewer benefits or stuck with higher deductibles.

There are no free lunches and at its root this is a bill that is just enormous tax cuts for the rich, reduced subsidies and inadequate cost sharing plans for basically everyone else. The poor, the old, the sick are all fucked under this thing. Red states will get hit hardest. The mandate is still shit and IMO is going to encourage young people to forgo insurance knowing they are only subject to a 30% one year increase when they do need it. Those that do get it will be shocked that it is largely unusable due to high deductibles. I might be slipping a bit but I think the amendments even open the door to lifetime limits again and capping out-of-pocket expenses the insurer will pay.

If I am also not mistaken, it even reduces the deficit LESS then the last CBO estimate.

I am also interested in if the CBO touched on how the opt-out clause could affect employer insurance. Since theoretically a state that opts out could be the state a company insures all their employees from and so by extension, you could reduce the benefits for employees in states that didn't opt out. Drop coverage for employees in states that chose to opt out and are no longer required to do so.



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« Reply #6246 on: May 24, 2017, 06:21:59 PM »
https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/867468121652768769

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« Reply #6247 on: May 24, 2017, 07:20:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/867517225820966912


Gianforte is the Republican candidate in the Montana special Congressional election being held tomorrow.

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« Reply #6248 on: May 24, 2017, 07:47:17 PM »
cuck nerd destroyed :american

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« Reply #6249 on: May 24, 2017, 08:13:51 PM »
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/867517225820966912


Gianforte is the Republican candidate in the Montana special Congressional election being held tomorrow.

http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/05/24/wtf-guardian-journo-says-mont-house-candidate-greg-gianforte-just-body-slammed-him/

Yeah, I came here to post more on that; wasn't sure if I should put it here or in the wrestling thread.

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« Reply #6251 on: May 24, 2017, 08:35:58 PM »
what the fuck
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« Reply #6253 on: May 24, 2017, 08:46:38 PM »
Do they not know that the audio has already been released?

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« Reply #6254 on: May 24, 2017, 08:51:23 PM »
To be fair, he doesn't confirm that he body slammed him maybe the journalist is lying!  :doge

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« Reply #6256 on: May 24, 2017, 08:56:50 PM »
Damn, I just drove past a WWE billboard, this is crazy

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« Reply #6257 on: May 24, 2017, 08:58:06 PM »
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/867538098359545858

Checkmate, liberal journalists.

I think their definition of "aggressively shoved" and my own bear very little resemblance.

Sadly, I could see this working to Gianforte's benefit, as many of Trump's cronies likely support physical assault against "der lugenpresse."

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« Reply #6258 on: May 24, 2017, 10:56:54 PM »


fuck the police
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« Reply #6260 on: May 24, 2017, 11:21:15 PM »
What in the FUCK.  David is no longer the host of FP's ER podcast.

I was wondering why they haven't updated new episodes. Any given reason ? Rothkopf was a blast as the host. His twitter is not giving a lot of details.
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« Reply #6261 on: May 25, 2017, 12:32:01 AM »
Has anyone argued that women respond positively to masculine behavior like slamming effete journalists to the ground, and it shows he'll be tough on ISIS. 2003 redux.
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« Reply #6262 on: May 25, 2017, 12:32:20 AM »
Please stop talking about this Montana nonsense, look at what this black preacher from Philadelphia (where the Black Panthers helped steal the 2012 election) said:

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SHOCK: Dem rally speaker declares Trump budget designed for ‘ethnic cleansing’

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« Reply #6263 on: May 25, 2017, 12:54:59 AM »
What in the FUCK.  David is no longer the host of FP's ER podcast.

I was wondering why they haven't updated new episodes. Any given reason ? Rothkopf was a blast as the host. His twitter is not giving a lot of details.

Just did a search and it looks like he might be leaving FP altogether.

It's a shame, I really liked him as a host.

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« Reply #6264 on: May 25, 2017, 02:44:10 AM »
what the fuck

stop being such a snowflake lieberal

it's just a little assault no big deal

'murica!! :usacry

That's the problem. That's the very fucking problem! It's not about the individual. I don't care that Spencer Ben Foster got punched Body Slammed. I care that ideas like that of ANTIFA Gianforte are on the rise and wiggling into minds. You are becoming the most harmful view history has had while thinking you are against harmful ideas. That sort of mental trick on yourself is bad.

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« Reply #6265 on: May 25, 2017, 07:58:37 AM »
So Gianforte is actually getting charged with a misdemeanor. Crazy.

If he wins I would start to think we're kinda unrepairable. Sure he might get recalled or forced out later but people still would have voted him into office after physically assaulting a member of the press for asking questions he didn't want to answer.

Yes, yes, gloom and doom and sweeping generalizations.
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« Reply #6266 on: May 25, 2017, 09:11:26 AM »
Please stop talking about this Montana nonsense, look at what this black preacher from Philadelphia (where the Black Panthers helped steal the 2012 election) said:

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The budget does a lot more damage to white people in red states. We should be celebrating. Who knew opiates and diabetes would solve white supremacy
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« Reply #6267 on: May 25, 2017, 09:19:37 AM »
Don't forget heroin and suicide!

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« Reply #6268 on: May 25, 2017, 09:26:19 AM »
And mesothelioma and spousal abuse!
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« Reply #6269 on: May 25, 2017, 10:04:42 AM »




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« Reply #6270 on: May 25, 2017, 10:43:22 AM »
Sad.
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« Reply #6271 on: May 25, 2017, 10:54:37 AM »
If I may put on my conspiracy theory hat for a moment.

What if the Manchester bombing leaks from the US government were on purpose to distract from the Russia investigation?

Trump just ordered an investigation into the leaks.

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« Reply #6273 on: May 25, 2017, 02:36:42 PM »
https://twitter.com/MichaelTGorman/status/842815393672695809

to think this was tweeted back in the innocent days of March 2017.
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« Reply #6274 on: May 25, 2017, 04:06:18 PM »
Yet another court ruling against the Muslim ban.

The whole thing was ostensibly a temporary measure until they could "figure things out" and get a long term policy in place. Shouldn't we be getting to the point where that was meant to happen?

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« Reply #6275 on: May 25, 2017, 07:36:01 PM »
why are you guys not talking about the wave of leaks? these leaks are upsetting allies, they are crimes and need to be prosecuted immediately, national security! obama roadists within the government, leaks, LEAAAAAKKKSSS! russian investigation shut it down too many leaks, time to bodyslam the press for spreading these leaks, LEAKS  LEAKS LEAKS

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« Reply #6276 on: May 25, 2017, 08:35:40 PM »
The real question is how come it's ok to punch white supremacists but not ok to bodyslam western journalists who operate within the framework of white supremacy
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« Reply #6278 on: May 25, 2017, 09:33:35 PM »
god fuck donald trump
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« Reply #6279 on: May 25, 2017, 10:21:07 PM »
Now I really hope that Vitali Klitschko (current mayor of Kiev, possible future Ukranian PM) crosses paths with Trump and he tries to pull that shit with him.

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« Reply #6280 on: May 25, 2017, 10:28:26 PM »
looks like Greg Gianforte is going to lose. 

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« Reply #6281 on: May 25, 2017, 10:37:38 PM »
looks like Greg Gianforte is going to lose.

I don't think Gianforte will lose. The mail in ballots are the first to be counted and the rural, conservative counties are last. But it is likely 2018 will be a wave election as Republicans can't get anything done so it's not the end of the world.

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« Reply #6282 on: May 25, 2017, 10:50:55 PM »
looks like Greg Gianforte is going to lose.

The election or at summer slam?

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« Reply #6283 on: May 25, 2017, 11:14:19 PM »
Gianforte is up by over 2 points and is outfperforming what he'd need to do to win.
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« Reply #6284 on: May 25, 2017, 11:15:05 PM »
Lol wow early voting eh


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« Reply #6286 on: May 25, 2017, 11:50:13 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/25/politics/montana-special-election-results/index.html

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"We whole-heartedly support Greg. We love him," said Karen Screnar, a Republican voter who had driven all the way from Helena to support Gianforte. Screnar said she and her husband have known Gianforte for the better part of a decade. After Gianforte was charged with misdemeanor assault, Screnar said she was only "more ready to support Greg."

"We've watched how the press is one-sided. Excuse me, that's how I feel. (They're) making him their whipping boy so to speak through this campaign," Screaner said. "There comes a point where, stop it."

Her husband, Terry, chimed in that he believed Gianforte was "set up."

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« Reply #6287 on: May 26, 2017, 12:02:52 AM »
Gianforte projected to win

No word on a title shot at Summer Slam yet, though
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« Reply #6288 on: May 26, 2017, 12:10:42 AM »
Paul Ryan could grow a conscience and refuse to seat him....


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« Reply #6289 on: May 26, 2017, 12:15:01 AM »
Paul Ryan could grow a conscience and refuse to seat him....


:lol I'm joking of course.

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« Reply #6290 on: May 26, 2017, 12:55:49 AM »
lost in all the assault hubbub was that this guy has a big heart for education and science:
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He donated $1.5 million to the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum in Glendive, Montana, a creationist museum which teaches visitors that evolution is false, the Earth is about 6,000-6,400 years old, that dinosaurs were on the Ark and that they likely died out 4,300 years ago during the flood described in the Book of Genesis.

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« Reply #6291 on: May 26, 2017, 01:12:54 AM »
lost in all the assault hubbub was that this guy has a big heart for education and science:
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He donated $1.5 million to the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum in Glendive, Montana, a creationist museum which teaches visitors that evolution is false, the Earth is about 6,000-6,400 years old, that dinosaurs were on the Ark and that they likely died out 4,300 years ago during the flood described in the Book of Genesis.

he's doing God's work  :usacry

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« Reply #6292 on: May 26, 2017, 03:28:51 AM »
Gianforte's best move was hurting that reporter. In that move, he galvanized those that hate the 'fake news' liberal press and are ecstatic at the notion that one of them has been physically harmed. They wouldn't have voted for him nor donated otherwise.

Four-dimensional chess, bruhs

I honestly would not be surprised, with the way many of my midwest relatives choose to selectively view news around MAGA candidates.

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« Reply #6293 on: May 26, 2017, 03:49:57 AM »
I think we should be slow to suggest that he wasn't elected for many other terrible reasons.
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As of Wednesday night, 259,558 ballots have been returned, said Derek J. Oestreicher, the Director of Elections and Voter Services in the Office of the Montana Secretary of State.

NYTimes, with 98% reporting (666 of 681 precincts) has a total of 374,587 votes. Which is only slightly more than the total number of absentee ballots sent out:
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That number is of 357,596 absentee ballots sent out

He's winning 50-44-6. Zinke won 56-41-3 and 55-41-4. Daines won 53-43-4. 2014 was the only of the three elections with less than 480,000 votes with 368,000.

It's entirely plausible the guy won the early vote by ten plus points and lost the election day vote with some GOPers just not voting but too much of the electorate voting early for it to have mattered.

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« Reply #6294 on: May 26, 2017, 03:54:30 AM »
Interesting thing will be to see if the GOP digs up a strong 2018 primary challenger and how quickly...that campaign won't take long to start.

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« Reply #6295 on: May 26, 2017, 04:04:20 AM »
The boxer? I had no idea he went into politics. That's amazing.
I think he's run for Mayor of Kiev like every time for the last decade incrementally improving from like 10% to 20% to eventually getting elected, was at all the Euromaiden protests, almost ran for President but there were too many hurdles in part due to his boxing career. Been in Parliament, leader of various parties as they went through all the turmoil. The Orange Revolution got him involved in it all I think.

On the one hand he's a big Rudy Giuliani fan and has used him as a political adviser. But maybe that's just for tips on being a Mayor in a big city rather than foreign policy.

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« Reply #6296 on: May 26, 2017, 11:37:04 AM »
Interesting thing will be to see if the GOP digs up a strong 2018 primary challenger and how quickly...that campaign won't take long to start.

Hopefully by then the electoral process changes so the candidates just beat the shit out of each other in the ring. We're just taking our tentative first steps into this arena.
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« Reply #6297 on: May 26, 2017, 12:03:55 PM »
http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans

http://circa.com/politics/declassified-memos-show-fbi-illegally-shared-spy-data-on-americans-with-private-parties

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« Reply #6298 on: May 26, 2017, 12:32:06 PM »
I'm not going to react to this unless its posted on, you know, a news site

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« Reply #6299 on: May 26, 2017, 12:35:14 PM »
Me too.  Will be outraged once RollingStone covers it.