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« Reply #6600 on: June 06, 2017, 09:23:21 AM »
Nah guys, if we had President Cruz or President Ribio they would have withdrawn from Paris too.

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« Reply #6601 on: June 06, 2017, 11:41:27 AM »
President Cruz

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What, you don't like Theocracies?
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« Reply #6602 on: June 06, 2017, 11:51:49 AM »
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Why would Jesus back a loser like Cruz, you atheist cucklord? The next messiah has already been chosen.

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« Reply #6603 on: June 06, 2017, 12:01:22 PM »
So Intercept did expose their source. Incompetence on their part and the leaker's part, but still bad for the Intercept.

That piece didn't have Greenwald attributed to it either. Auerbach is questioning Greenwald on it and the thread is somewhat interesting, though Glen gives only one response.

https://twitter.com/AuerbachKeller/status/871822903813210113

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« Reply #6604 on: June 06, 2017, 12:05:16 PM »
Glenzilla sure has a bad habit of burning his sources to ashes
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« Reply #6605 on: June 06, 2017, 12:40:33 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/872084870620520448
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/872086906804240384

Trump siding with well known moderates Saudi Arabia over Qatar on the great diplomatic platform of twitter. This fucking guy.
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« Reply #6606 on: June 06, 2017, 12:43:21 PM »
We never gonna pull our dick out of Saudi.

The dems could hit him on that and hurt his base, but they want to do the same shit themselves.

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« Reply #6607 on: June 06, 2017, 12:51:28 PM »
Oh God.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/trump-will-live-tweet-during-testimony-of-former-fbi-director-james-comey-report/

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President Donald Trump will reportedly respond live on Twitter as former FBI Director James Comey testifies to a Senate committee this week.

The White House had initially said that it would be setting up a “war room” to deal with Comey’s testimony, but sources this week revealed that officials had failed to follow through with the plan.

“I was just talking to some White House officials this morning and their view is that the president himself wants to be the messenger, his own warrior, his own lawyer, his own spokesman,” Costa explained. “Some outside people, some surrogates will be available.”

“But the president is expected to be tweeting on Thursday in response to Comey, not to stay quiet during the testimony,” he added. “Because he himself wants to be the one driving the process.”
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« Reply #6608 on: June 06, 2017, 01:03:07 PM »
What could go wrong?

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« Reply #6609 on: June 06, 2017, 01:08:15 PM »
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« Reply #6610 on: June 06, 2017, 01:19:11 PM »
Why even bother in going to that religious conference if he is going to be in his phone like a 7 year old with a new smartphone on church day.

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« Reply #6611 on: June 06, 2017, 01:22:24 PM »
We never gonna pull our dick out of Saudi.

The dems could hit him on that and hurt his base, but they want to do the same shit themselves.

Reality: nobody gives a fuck on either side about this except people like us.

One of the more interesting things about the Iran deal with the Obama admin basically assisting Iran over SA during their proxy war.
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« Reply #6612 on: June 06, 2017, 01:30:13 PM »
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-big-fat-compendium-of-russiagate-debunkery-4278a753a3af

For those that actually care. Podesta's email security is comically bad.

PS for Benji: Guccifer 2.0 was a prop


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« Reply #6613 on: June 06, 2017, 01:40:19 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/872084870620520448
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/872086906804240384

Trump siding with well known moderates Saudi Arabia over Qatar on the great diplomatic platform of twitter. This fucking guy.

This is insane that he's making comments like this.  Its really something you shouldn't be tweeting about when your largest air base in the region is in their country. 
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« Reply #6614 on: June 06, 2017, 01:49:19 PM »
And more importantly an embassy. 
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« Reply #6616 on: June 06, 2017, 02:05:57 PM »
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-big-fat-compendium-of-russiagate-debunkery-4278a753a3af

For those that actually care. Podesta's email security is comically bad.

PS for Benji: Guccifer 2.0 was a prop

All those members of the cabinet / Trump's entourage just conveniently forgot to mention their several meetings during the campaign with Russian diplomats in their security reviews. Including Flynn, a recently self admitted "lobbyist" for foreign interests, possibly discussing current sanctions in violation of the law.

Also he decided one morning to fire the FBI director because his investigation into Hillary Clinton was improperly conducted.
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I mean, don't disagree that there's a lot of hysteria surrounding Russia, an hysteria born out of an anterior self serving, caricatural, narrative.  But there's really no need for a grandiose intricate master plan here. Hell, given all we know of him, Trump could probably be played with just a ton of flattery  (given he's obviously infatuated with "strong men" and Putin), maybe the lure of a potential business deal or some sort of promise of a geopolitical grand bargain that would make him look good on the world stage.

Otherwise, there's nothing egregious about Russia using its means to run a semi-clandestine propaganda campaign, having a hand in some or all of the hacks or possibly buying influence within Trump inner circle.
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« Reply #6617 on: June 06, 2017, 02:43:54 PM »
You missed the first point: There's no evidence of collusion. There's no evidence of hacking the things that caused damage to Hilary.

You have Flynn fucking up and not sharing everything he should have.

Beyond that, they are inundating people with smoke from a state/press smoke machine and playing to the biases of the public which they largely create. I would recommend watching the long interview Hannity did with Assange back in January.

The only reason people think Russia tried to elect Trump is due to this propaganda game. "There's nothing egregious.." No, there's evidence of that. That's the point. The leaks are what damaged them. They hint at leaks being Russian hacks, but never state fully so with evidence. They talk about Russian hacking, which goes on back and forth by all major states. They talk about the second thing to conflate it with the first thing. State reps interested in doing this hand off anon sources with unverified info to friendly press. Everyday it's like this. Ratcheting a country up to either burn Trump down or go to war with Russia. It's yellow journalism.

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« Reply #6618 on: June 06, 2017, 02:54:33 PM »
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You have Flynn fucking up and not sharing everything he should have.

And Sessions.
And Kushner.
And Trump himself very eager to influence the ongoing investigation.
Plus a couple of other ones.

Who are "they" ? The same ones that murdered Seth Rich ?
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« Reply #6619 on: June 06, 2017, 02:55:31 PM »
Etiolate is pretty confident about an ongoing investigation :doge

You forgot Manafort, the shadiest dude of the bunch
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« Reply #6620 on: June 06, 2017, 03:11:33 PM »
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You have Flynn fucking up and not sharing everything he should have.

And Sessions.
And Kushner.
And Trump himself very eager to influence the ongoing investigation.
Plus a couple of other ones.

Who are "they" ? The same ones that murdered Seth Rich ?

They is press + state officials interested in taking part in this.

How much of what you think is evidence is just the anon source leaks? Like the Trump eager to influence investigation?

The Sessions thing is this: He was asked if he met with Russian state officials regarding the campaign during 2016. He said no. Articles come out saying he met Kislyak as part of his role at the time, not in regards to the Trump campaign.

That's smoke. It's smoke you are pre-biased to buy into because you've been sold the Russian narrative. Can you at least process how that works? Sessions met other country officials I imagine. He could have discussed campaign deals with them. We care about the Russian meeting because we're sold the Russian suspicion.

Because it's handled in this propaganda way, I think its best to wait for real evidence rather than more of this sort of smoke.

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« Reply #6621 on: June 06, 2017, 03:17:20 PM »

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« Reply #6622 on: June 06, 2017, 03:28:15 PM »
Man, the right must has it in mind that Jeff Sessions is the dumbest motherfucker in the world to hand wave all his fuckery :lol
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« Reply #6623 on: June 06, 2017, 03:28:41 PM »
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You have Flynn fucking up and not sharing everything he should have.

And Sessions.
And Kushner.
And Trump himself very eager to influence the ongoing investigation.
Plus a couple of other ones.

Who are "they" ? The same ones that murdered Seth Rich ?

They is press + state officials interested in taking part in this.

How much of what you think is evidence is just the anon source leaks? Like the Trump eager to influence investigation?

The Sessions thing is this: He was asked if he met with Russian state officials regarding the campaign during 2016. He said no. Articles come out saying he met Kislyak as part of his role at the time, not in regards to the Trump campaign.

That's smoke. It's smoke you are pre-biased to buy into because you've been sold the Russian narrative. Can you at least process how that works? Sessions met other country officials I imagine. He could have discussed campaign deals with them. We care about the Russian meeting because we're sold the Russian suspicion.

Because it's handled in this propaganda way, I think its best to wait for real evidence rather than more of this sort of smoke.

jesus christ dude
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« Reply #6624 on: June 06, 2017, 03:31:27 PM »
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/breaking-trumps-saudi-arms-deal-actually-fake

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I’ve spoken to contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.


:lol if true. The pettiness of this man knows no currently known bounds.



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« Reply #6625 on: June 06, 2017, 03:52:22 PM »
It could be just that Trump and his croonies are dumb motherfuckers that happen to live in a era were being an asshat idiot rewards you with fame rather than dead and the US political system is so polirazed that well educated politicans are willing to give blowjobs and degrede themselves like some of Trumps trophy wives jjust to cheer the senile cheeto in exchange of political power. And Russia is happens to be ruled by a dick ex KGB that is as insecure as Trump but is actually competent and intellgent enough to be a dick to the rest of the world by supporting a idiot in a rival nation.

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« Reply #6626 on: June 06, 2017, 04:03:08 PM »
Nah guys, if we had President Cruz or President Ribio they would have withdrawn from Paris too.

You think?

Cruz is a piece of shit from all angles, so I could see it there. A Cruz presidency always worried me the most. He is despicable but not completely incompetent.

Rubio, while a spineless coward who will act as deplorable as any of them without a spotlight(like the ACA Risk Corridors), to me he would be the type to do something that just pisses off everyone. He wouldn't leave because he knows better, but he would do things to undermine it and would reduce our targets and such. Just getting him hammered from both sides ultimately. His base for talking shit and then not walking the walk, like his campaign, and everyone else that recognizes Republicans have been the most harmful organization in addressing Climate Change in the world and he is just making shit harder.

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« Reply #6627 on: June 06, 2017, 04:14:02 PM »
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How much of what you think is evidence is just the anon source leaks? Like the Trump eager to influence investigation?

All good then, we'll all wait for investigations to clear up those matters ! Probably all a big quid pro quo.

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« Reply #6628 on: June 06, 2017, 04:27:26 PM »
ETOILET, DRIVING THE CONVERSATION

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« Reply #6629 on: June 06, 2017, 04:29:52 PM »
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« Reply #6630 on: June 06, 2017, 04:41:20 PM »
You missed the first point: There's no evidence of collusion. There's no evidence of hacking the things that caused damage to Hilary.

You have Flynn fucking up and not sharing everything he should have.

Beyond that, they are inundating people with smoke from a state/press smoke machine and playing to the biases of the public which they largely create. I would recommend watching the long interview Hannity did with Assange back in January.

The only reason people think Russia tried to elect Trump is due to this propaganda game. "There's nothing egregious.." No, there's evidence of that. That's the point. The leaks are what damaged them. They hint at leaks being Russian hacks, but never state fully so with evidence. They talk about Russian hacking, which goes on back and forth by all major states. They talk about the second thing to conflate it with the first thing. State reps interested in doing this hand off anon sources with unverified info to friendly press. Everyday it's like this. Ratcheting a country up to either burn Trump down or go to war with Russia. It's yellow journalism.

All this paranoid skepticism to the point of doubting the Democratic hacks Russian origins might resonate if Russia had not been indicted of doing these very same things in many countries already: US, UK, Netherlands, Bulgaria, Austria, Germany, France. All fitting similar patterns of behavior and targeting.

It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

You have the intelligence and law enforcement of multiple countries speaking to Russian actions that mirror what America experienced. You have our own intelligence community pointing the finger at Russia as the source for the hacks, after looking into the matter and naming the avenues and roots in which the attacks took form.

 All under the umbrella of the stated Russian geopolitical strategy of trying to undermine western alliances so they can expand their geopolitical footprint for a domestically suffering autocrat who has an unhealthy nostalgia hard-on for the Soviet era. Who has propogandized his population to view his success based on outward projections of power as opposed to internal economic metrics that are abysmal right now and made worse by sanctions Russia also desperately wants lifted(another pattern in the targets). Coupled with a deflectionary domestic strategy built around legitimizing his autocracy to his people by attempting to project a narrative of total corruption and illegitimacy in Democratic nations worse then his own(another focus present in the behavior of the hacks and how Russia state media spins them).

You have evidence, you have motive, you have stated intents, you have observable patterns and strategy, and you have few, if any, viable alternative theories.

...But I guess it could have been Seth Rich.

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« Reply #6631 on: June 06, 2017, 04:45:17 PM »
Also sorry for engaging with ET, but his narrative seems to be the one righties latch onto and I think it's important to point out how ludicrous it all comes off when you put it into the actual, larger, Geopolitical context it should be taken in.


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« Reply #6632 on: June 06, 2017, 04:47:47 PM »
Neither Trump nor anyone associated with him colluded with Russia, and Russia wasn't even involved with any hacking anyway, this is all just a ridiculous conspiracy theory clung to by bitter liberals to cover for their losses. But Seth Rich was definitely murdered by the DNC and Crooked Hillary to cover up her many misdeeds and illegal activities.
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« Reply #6633 on: June 06, 2017, 04:52:16 PM »
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/872160784306114560


The ACA repeal is just the weirdest political dynamic. Can't think of anything like it.

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« Reply #6634 on: June 06, 2017, 04:56:12 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.

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« Reply #6635 on: June 06, 2017, 04:58:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/872160784306114560


The ACA repeal is just the weirdest political dynamic. Can't think of anything like it.

This is the same pattern as always. Trump gives them the kool aid before he does something incredibly stupid that makes their lives harder.

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« Reply #6636 on: June 06, 2017, 05:04:40 PM »
I don't think you're right wing, I just think you're dumb and abrasive. 
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« Reply #6637 on: June 06, 2017, 05:12:26 PM »
I don't think you're right wing, I just think you're dumb and abrasive.


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« Reply #6638 on: June 06, 2017, 05:14:28 PM »
There might not be any evidence of collusion, it might just be that the republican party elected a total idiot with a hard on for Russia and not an ounce of good sense about who he surrounds himself with. But both are pretty damning for the party.
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« Reply #6639 on: June 06, 2017, 05:23:08 PM »
I was just thinking, the Seth Rich thing bubbled over while Trump was on his foreign tour (the one stretch where he hasn't been able to watch cable news regularly) and Fox got Hannity to back off before the trip was over.

That coincidence is basically the only thing that saved us from Trump tweeting about that nonsense and really blowing it up into a thing.

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« Reply #6640 on: June 06, 2017, 05:30:51 PM »
I would recommend watching the long interview Hannity did with Assange back in January.
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« Reply #6641 on: June 06, 2017, 05:30:59 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.

You think there's more evidence pointing to the Seth Rich story being true.
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« Reply #6642 on: June 06, 2017, 05:42:32 PM »
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/872160784306114560


The ACA repeal is just the weirdest political dynamic. Can't think of anything like it.

Reminds me of when republicans would do dumb shit and wait for Obama or Boehner to be the adult and solve things. Now both are gone and...yea.
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« Reply #6643 on: June 06, 2017, 05:48:22 PM »
I doubt that you're allowed near razors, bub.
:lol

What does this even mean, like what is the insult here

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« Reply #6644 on: June 06, 2017, 05:56:06 PM »
I realized the real problem I have with etiolate is he kind of reminds me of a (much) stupider version of me, and I mean, I already fucking hate the regular version of me to begin with.
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« Reply #6645 on: June 06, 2017, 05:59:01 PM »
Trump looking into renewables :rejoice


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« Reply #6646 on: June 06, 2017, 06:04:40 PM »
Reminds me of when republicans would do dumb shit and wait for Obama or Boehner to be the adult and solve things. Now both are gone and...yea.
They let the ACA become a really powerful symbol and spent years attacking it, but never seriously prepared to replace it. They even made promises about keeping the more popular features (mainly pre-existing condition protections).

It's not even that they can't deliver, it's that there's no clear sense of what they actually want to do. It's thoroughly bizarre.

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« Reply #6647 on: June 06, 2017, 06:07:14 PM »
Trump is going to live tweet "rebuttals" to lyin' Jim Comey's testimony on Thursday.

Isn't that shit admissible if he does? Etoilet, please enlighten me on the brilliance of this maneuver because honestly it seems like the the act of an unhinged turd with no one around him that knows or cares enough to stop him.
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« Reply #6648 on: June 06, 2017, 06:08:43 PM »
Reminds me of when republicans would do dumb shit and wait for Obama or Boehner to be the adult and solve things. Now both are gone and...yea.
They let the ACA become a really powerful symbol and spent years attacking it, but never seriously prepared to replace it. They even made promises about keeping the more popular features (mainly pre-existing condition protections).

It's not even that they can't deliver, it's that there's no clear sense of what they actually want to do. It's thoroughly bizarre.

It's what happens when your driving philosophy is entirely composed of "we're against whatever the democrats are for, updated hourly"
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« Reply #6649 on: June 06, 2017, 06:08:47 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.

You think there's more evidence pointing to the Seth Rich story being true.

I was open and leaning towards the idea that Seth Rich was the DNC leak for Wikileaks because Assange (the one person who would know) heavily hinted as such more than once and a second party who knows Assange (Kim Dotcom) stated as such. As well, another acquaintance of wikileaks gave a story of a disgruntled DNC staffer providing the leak back in December, which lines up with the recent talk.

That is more credible than what there is of Trump/Russia collusion. It's still not evidence it's true though. Kim would have to provide the evidence if he had any.

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« Reply #6650 on: June 06, 2017, 06:17:31 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.

You think there's more evidence pointing to the Seth Rich story being true.

I was open and leaning towards the idea that Seth Rich was the DNC leak for Wikileaks because Assange (the one person who would know) heavily hinted as such more than once and a second party who knows Assange (Kim Dotcom) stated as such. As well, another acquaintance of wikileaks gave a story of a disgruntled DNC staffer providing the leak back in December, which lines up with the recent talk.

That is more credible than what there is of Trump/Russia collusion. It's still not evidence it's true though. Kim would have to provide the evidence if he had any.

You know that stunts like that and getting in company of people like Kim Dotcom is why people are more wary of Assange.

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« Reply #6651 on: June 06, 2017, 06:20:24 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.

You think there's more evidence pointing to the Seth Rich story being true.

I was open and leaning towards the idea that Seth Rich was the DNC leak for Wikileaks because Assange (the one person who would know) heavily hinted as such more than once and a second party who knows Assange (Kim Dotcom) stated as such. As well, another acquaintance of wikileaks gave a story of a disgruntled DNC staffer providing the leak back in December, which lines up with the recent talk.

That is more credible than what there is of Trump/Russia collusion. It's still not evidence it's true though. Kim would have to provide the evidence if he had any.

You know that stunts like that and getting in company of people like Kim Dotcom is why people are more wary of Assange.

What stunts? what is "people like Kim Dotcom"?

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« Reply #6652 on: June 06, 2017, 06:22:09 PM »
He seems totally credible, you're right
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« Reply #6653 on: June 06, 2017, 06:25:34 PM »

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« Reply #6654 on: June 06, 2017, 06:27:18 PM »
Yeah some fuck who built a fortune off of piracy and changed his name to dotcom is totes a credible source of info in the realm of political espionage. :derp
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« Reply #6655 on: June 06, 2017, 06:37:06 PM »
What makes him cred is his internet connections and his connections to Assange. If you think a suit and a tie means credentialed, then I have no idea how you think you have the high ground to insult my intelligence.

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« Reply #6656 on: June 06, 2017, 06:40:40 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.
There is plenty of evidence that warrants continued investigation about collusion, however, there is more then enough evidence to reasonably conclude Russia is the likely culprit behind numerous hacks during the 2016 election campaign. Which I outlined. Which to be clear the hacking was all that post was referring to.

It seems to me by this particular angle of your response that I bolded, that you are working from that often faulty premise of using cherry picked instances of the past as a shield to grab when you want to hand wave away conclusions you don't like. Sort of like when Climate Change deniers point to that Time article on global cooling as a rationale to never trust the judgement of scientists whenever its convenient. In this case the misinformation leading up to the Iraq War by Bush administration members serves as that shield. If the belief that the government is always lying is your working premise for hand-wavng away all of the IC's assessments, thats a pretty poor one. There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism but thats not how you are operating....

..Since I can't help but continue to mention how you are a person that pushed the Seth Rich conspiracy built around a single FBI source. Who is now begging for high levels of skepticism about FBI and IC trustworthiness.







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« Reply #6657 on: June 06, 2017, 06:41:31 PM »
I have no idea how you think you have the high ground to insult my intelligence.
Basically everything you've said in this thread so far.
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« Reply #6658 on: June 06, 2017, 06:46:14 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.


They killed Seth Rich because he was going to blow the whistle on there being no WMDs in Iraq.

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« Reply #6659 on: June 06, 2017, 06:53:04 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.
There is plenty of evidence that warrants continued investigation about collusion, however, there is more then enough evidence to reasonably conclude Russia is the likely culprit behind numerous hacks during the 2016 election campaign. Which I outlined. Which to be clear the hacking was all that post was referring to.

It seems to me by this particular angle of your response that I bolded, that you are working from that often faulty premise of using cherry picked instances of the past as a shield to grab when you want to hand wave away conclusions you don't like. Sort of like when Climate Change deniers point to that Time article on global cooling as a rationale to never trust the judgement of scientists whenever its convenient. In this case the misinformation leading up to the Iraq War by Bush administration members serves as that shield. If the belief that the government is always lying is your working premise for hand-wavng away all of the IC's assessments, thats a pretty poor one. There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism but thats not how you are operating....

..Since I can't help but continue to mention how you are a person that pushed the Seth Rich conspiracy built around a single FBI source. Who is now begging for high levels of skepticism about FBI and IC trustworthiness.

There is reason to investigate. I don't think collusion will be found. Probably incompetence.

However this:

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however, there is more then enough evidence to reasonably conclude Russia is the likely culprit behind numerous hacks during the 2016 election campaign

is wrong. There isn't that sort of evidence. Again. go over what I linked. Check out g-2.space

There is likelihood Russia tried to hack but no evidence they did. The leaks were likely leaks. If they were hacks, they could have been anyone. That's how dumb Podesta's security was.

Read up.