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« Reply #6660 on: June 06, 2017, 06:54:19 PM »
What makes him cred is his internet connections and his connections to Assange. If you think a suit and a tie means credentialed, then I have no idea how you think you have the high ground to insult my intelligence.

A lot of the info about Trump/Russia not only comes from government agencies but reporters and academics with expertise in politics, diplomacy and intelligence gathering.

Being skeptical is good, and you have a point that we should not take most of the Russia stuff at face value.

But dude, I think that at this point were not just talking about Podesta and DNC stuff.

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« Reply #6661 on: June 06, 2017, 06:57:54 PM »
I have no idea how you think you have the high ground to insult my intelligence.
Basically everything you've said in this thread so far.

Now, now. Let's be fair.

Etoilet has said tons of stupid shit outside of this thread as well.
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« Reply #6662 on: June 06, 2017, 06:58:04 PM »
I have no idea how you think you have the high ground to insult my intelligence.
Basically everything you've said in this thread so far.

Like when I pointed to NSA violating guidelines and privacy, and the FBI sharing surveillance info with unauthorized third parties? And the response was "RIGHT WING MEDIA" and nobody was smart enough to actually read the paper and see it directly linked to the actual investigation report on a .gov website? And nobody read that report? Like you have obviously skipped over the info I post?

Do you realize how dumb you look to bystanders and onlookers, and that the only defense you have is the mob hatred of the forum to back you up?

There's a reason I don't get my history purged and my name changed all the time like the rest of you: I end up right and I don't have to hide what I've said.

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« Reply #6663 on: June 06, 2017, 07:12:27 PM »
God damn, EToilet just cumming Ls in all your faces right now  :whew

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« Reply #6664 on: June 06, 2017, 07:17:28 PM »
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It's not bias, it's pinning the hypothesis on the actor where the evidence points.

There is not evidence pointing that way. Read what I linked the last page.


It's very hilarious to hear you guys call me right wing or that this is right wing when it comes from Assange and left wing people assembling that information.

You just gave me a grand conspiracy about Russia. I am telling you to question the same people that misinformed the public into buying the Iraq War.
There is plenty of evidence that warrants continued investigation about collusion, however, there is more then enough evidence to reasonably conclude Russia is the likely culprit behind numerous hacks during the 2016 election campaign. Which I outlined. Which to be clear the hacking was all that post was referring to.

It seems to me by this particular angle of your response that I bolded, that you are working from that often faulty premise of using cherry picked instances of the past as a shield to grab when you want to hand wave away conclusions you don't like. Sort of like when Climate Change deniers point to that Time article on global cooling as a rationale to never trust the judgement of scientists whenever its convenient. In this case the misinformation leading up to the Iraq War by Bush administration members serves as that shield. If the belief that the government is always lying is your working premise for hand-wavng away all of the IC's assessments, thats a pretty poor one. There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism but thats not how you are operating....

..Since I can't help but continue to mention how you are a person that pushed the Seth Rich conspiracy built around a single FBI source. Who is now begging for high levels of skepticism about FBI and IC trustworthiness.

There is reason to investigate. I don't think collusion will be found. Probably incompetence.

However this:

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however, there is more then enough evidence to reasonably conclude Russia is the likely culprit behind numerous hacks during the 2016 election campaign

is wrong. There isn't that sort of evidence. Again. go over what I linked. Check out g-2.space

There is likelihood Russia tried to hack but no evidence they did. The leaks were likely leaks. If they were hacks, they could have been anyone. That's how dumb Podesta's security was.

Read up.

I went over that shit yesterday.....When I saw it posted by the resident conspiracy theorist during my occasional glance over at The_Donald lite that exists as a sub-forum on a local sports message board I check into from time to time.

And it reads just a poorly as your ramblings, with the same logical flaws and propensity to cherry pick and shift your level of trust based on the narrative, so I see the appeal for someone like you....Including an author that is still pushing Seth Rich.

But to summarize:

- The collective assessment of the FBI and the IC that "Russia used disinformation, data thefts, leaks, and social media "trolls" in an effort to give an advantage to Trump over Clinton but did not target or compromise vote tallying." An assessment that was re-affirmed by Trump administration officials last month.

- A broader assessment of Russian sophistication and hacking/cyber techniques and behaviors that predate the incidents in 2016 and follow similar patterns.

- You have Putin's own recent remarks coupled with quite a lot of wink and nodding in internal news coverage. Documented regularly by journalists and watchdog groups.

- You have a set of behavior and targets in America that's pattern mirrors those of numerous other countries that have also been victim. Where their own law enforcement, IC's, and other evidence gatherers have concluded Russia as well. Independent of our influence.

- You also importantly have a Russian motive, domestic policy, and geopolitical strategy that aligns with the pattern of these attacks. That doesn't fit well with other actors.

But again, Seth Rich.
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« Reply #6665 on: June 06, 2017, 07:22:23 PM »
https://www.wired.com/2017/06/trumps-habit-twitter-blocking-may-violate-first-amendment/

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In a letter sent to the President today, the Knight First Amendment Institute, an offshoot of the larger Knight Foundation that focuses on protecting First Amendment rights in the digital age, argued that when Trump blocks people on Twitter, he’s violating their right to free speech.

Really now :lol

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« Reply #6666 on: June 06, 2017, 07:23:09 PM »
https://www.wired.com/2017/06/trumps-habit-twitter-blocking-may-violate-first-amendment/

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In a letter sent to the President today, the Knight First Amendment Institute, an offshoot of the larger Knight Foundation that focuses on protecting First Amendment rights in the digital age, argued that when Trump blocks people on Twitter, he’s violating their right to free speech.

Really now :lol

Murdered in the digital realm

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« Reply #6668 on: June 06, 2017, 07:30:43 PM »
God damn, EToilet just cumming Ls in all your faces right now  :whew

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« Reply #6669 on: June 06, 2017, 07:37:56 PM »
but there's no evidence russia has done anything guys
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« Reply #6670 on: June 06, 2017, 07:42:06 PM »
God damn, EToilet just cumming Ls in all your faces right now  :whew

etoilet be all like


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« Reply #6671 on: June 06, 2017, 07:55:56 PM »
Might only be interesting to me but Nevada recently passed a Medicaid for all bill that is just awaiting the signage or veto of their governor:

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Requires the Department of Health and Human Services, if authorized by federal law, to establish a health care plan within Medicaid for purchase by persons who are not otherwise eligible for Medicaid.
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/79th2017/Bill/5393/Overview

Not quite for all but it allows anyone who wants to to buy into the Nevada Medicaid plan.

Their governor did just veto a bill that would of forced drug companies to be more transparent in their pricing, costs, and rebate payments to pharmacy benefit managers. Along with justifying any cost increases to a state board. So there is a fair to good chance the Governor may veto this bill but it would be interesting to see since it is also something that I remember reading the Newsmax editor arguing during inauguration as Trump's best populist solution for healthcare.

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« Reply #6672 on: June 06, 2017, 07:57:54 PM »
There is no evidence of Russian collusion with Trump. There is not evidence that the wikileaks were Russian hacks.  I've said several times that I expect every major state is engaged in cyberwarfare.

You are conflating these separate things just like I warned about.

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« Reply #6673 on: June 06, 2017, 08:00:06 PM »
There's no evidence yet, or at least none we know of. You're conflating an ongoing investigation with it's conclusion.
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« Reply #6674 on: June 06, 2017, 08:34:27 PM »
There is no evidence of Russian collusion with Trump. There is not evidence that the wikileaks were Russian hacks.  I've said several times that I expect every major state is engaged in cyberwarfare.

You are conflating these separate things just like I warned about.

No evidence of Russian hacks in America.......Every major state is engaging in cyber warfare. Which is it? I mean how can you say the latter and still lean so heavily into the former? Doesn't the latter require evidence that they are heavily engaged in cyber warfare? Which implies ongoing involvement in conflict. So by connection it would be reasonable to conclude Russia would likely be a prime suspect in cyber warfare toward America given the working premise of yours and the alignment of the leaks with Russian geopolitical strategy? Would it not?... This is not my process of assigning probable causation, I stick to the evidence. but yours here seems inherently contradictory. Who is Russia engaging in cyber warfare with that gives the confidence in your assertions that every major state is engaged in it?

....Though not surprising that you are seeing evidence of something that isn't there in my responses, in this case, the notion that I or others are conflating collusion with hacking/leaking. I've been annoyingly clear in my distinctions. And i've laid out the broad case that supports the hacking/leaking only.
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« Reply #6675 on: June 06, 2017, 08:37:21 PM »
Top intelligence official told associates Trump asked him if he could intervene with Comey on FBI Russia probe
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/top-intelligence-official-told-associates-trump-asked-him-if-he-could-intervene-with-comey-to-get-fbi-to-back-off-flynn/2017/06/06/cc879f14-4ace-11e7-9669-250d0b15f83b_story.html

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The nation’s top intelligence official told associates in March that President Trump asked him if he could intervene with then-FBI Director James B. Comey to get the bureau to back off its focus on former national security adviser Michael Flynn in its Russia probe, according to officials.

On March 22, less than a week after being confirmed by the Senate, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats attended a briefing at the White House together with officials from several government agencies. As the briefing was wrapping up, Trump asked everyone to leave the room except for Coats and CIA Director Mike Pompeo.

The president then started complaining about the FBI investigation and Comey’s handling of it, said officials familiar with the account Coats gave to associates. Two days earlier, Comey had confirmed in a congressional hearing that the bureau was probing whether Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia during the 2016 race.

After the encounter, Coats discussed the conversation with other officials and decided that intervening with Comey as Trump had suggested would be inappropriate, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal matters.

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« Reply #6676 on: June 06, 2017, 09:16:35 PM »
There is no evidence of Russian collusion with Trump. There is not evidence that the wikileaks were Russian hacks.  I've said several times that I expect every major state is engaged in cyberwarfare.

You are conflating these separate things just like I warned about.

No evidence of Russian hacks in America.......Every major state is engaging in cyber warfare. Which is it? I mean how can you say the latter and still lean so heavily into the former? Doesn't the latter require evidence that they are heavily engaged in cyber warfare? Which implies ongoing involvement in conflict. So by connection it would be reasonable to conclude Russia would likely be a prime suspect in cyber warfare toward America given the working premise of yours and the alignment of the leaks with Russian geopolitical strategy? Would it not?... This is not my process of assigning probable causation, I stick to the evidence. but yours here seems inherently contradictory. Who is Russia engaging in cyber warfare with that gives the confidence in your assertions that every major state is engaged in it?

....Though not surprising that you are seeing evidence of something that isn't there in my responses, in this case, the notion that I or others are conflating collusion with hacking/leaking. I've been annoyingly clear in my distinctions. And i've laid out the broad case that supports the hacking/leaking only.

Last attempt at communicating with you.


....Though not surprising that you are seeing evidence of something that isn't there in my responses, in this case, the notion that I or others are conflating collusion with hacking/leaking


Warned of conflating general cyberwarfare, like probing for voter registration lists to Trump Collusion and the Wikileaks.

Sort of like this:

No evidence of Russian hacks in America.......Every major state is engaging in cyber warfare. Which is it?

I said no evidence of Russia hacking being the source of Wikileaks. You just conflated that with "no Russian hacks", thus conlfating general cyberwarfare with Wikileaks sourcing.

Also, per the rest of your post, you're sort of working from the assumption that Trump is in the interest of Putin's geopolitical plans and that you know his plans. Trump is pretty unstable, so I'm not sure how he works out within any plan.

Who is Russia engaging in cyber warfare with that gives the confidence in your assertions that every major state is engaged in it?

Don't understand here what one has to do with the other. I imagine major states are involved in cyberwarfare because that's the time period we are in. For example, and in my best attempt to describe it, the CIA has a program that monitors other state's malware systems and approaches, and then can cloak its own malware in those markings to hide its origin. Something like that existing reveals a high level of cyber espionage being played out and that there's other players involved for it to plant itself as.

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« Reply #6677 on: June 06, 2017, 10:15:23 PM »
Aaaaaaand on the ignore list.  Good feature.
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« Reply #6678 on: June 06, 2017, 10:19:43 PM »
Aaaaaaand on the ignore list.  Good feature.

The best feature. Bigly great.
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« Reply #6681 on: June 06, 2017, 10:51:28 PM »
They should add a feature where we can see how many people are ignoring each user.

yes, give the trolls a scoreboard, what could go wrong?

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« Reply #6683 on: June 06, 2017, 11:16:01 PM »
:nintendo

Just to briefly summarize before I call it quits:

You assume that all major state players are engaged in ongoing cyber conflict with one another, citing vague malware attacks from America as your only evidence, but refuse to entertain even the probability of Russia as an elevated suspect in malware attacks that penetrated the DNC. Despite an agreed upon consensus across multiple government and private investigations.

And just in case anyone left had any doubt, you wanted to confirm to everyone you are devoid of even basic political knowledge about the country you continually defend from slander.


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« Reply #6684 on: June 06, 2017, 11:37:27 PM »
I clearly wasted my time with you. You didn't read or view what I linked and have been dishonest about that. We can't converse because you have a yawning gap in understanding.


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« Reply #6685 on: June 06, 2017, 11:51:17 PM »
I clearly wasted my time with you. You didn't read or view what I linked and have been dishonest about that. We can't converse because you have a yawning gap in understanding.

I.E. You share the same feeling every person that makes the mistake of treating you like an intellectually capable participant in political discussions.








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« Reply #6687 on: June 07, 2017, 12:02:57 AM »
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/872257074339520513



Good thing Trump has a solid bench unit to work with when the starters are struggling.

 :trumps



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« Reply #6688 on: June 07, 2017, 12:07:40 AM »
How etoilet thinks he comes across:



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« Reply #6689 on: June 07, 2017, 12:49:00 AM »
For real, no hyperbole, is Trump having an all time WOAT run as prez?

Of the modern era? For sure. All-time, though? I mean, Harrison caught pneumonia because of an extra long inaugural address and then died a month later, so he's probably got Trump beat there.
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« Reply #6690 on: June 07, 2017, 01:05:50 AM »
I mean, Harrison caught pneumonia because of an extra long inaugural address and then died a month later, so he's probably got Trump beat there.

trump wishes he was that competent. 
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« Reply #6692 on: June 07, 2017, 02:58:43 AM »
http://www.knowyourleak.com/1703653

whewwww  :lol

Small businesses would be "dramatically hurt" by a minimum wage hike, otherwise they'd be able to "create good-paying jobs."

Cause if they have to pay their employees too much, they won't have money left to pay their employees enough.

:spin

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« Reply #6693 on: June 07, 2017, 05:04:18 AM »
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18Y0SU?il=0

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"I think if you compare the two that Watergate pales, really, in my view, compared to what we're confronting now," Clapper told reporters in Canberra, Australia's capital.

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Clapper said it was "inexplicable" that Trump continued his pro-Russia stance despite evidence Moscow sought to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

"His subsequent actions, sharing sensitive intelligence with the Russians and compromising its source, reflect either ignorance or disrespect and either is very problematic," said Clapper.

Disregard however because it's just anonymous sources a DNC hack a lying member of the Power Establishment™.
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« Reply #6694 on: June 07, 2017, 05:16:01 AM »
http://www.knowyourleak.com/1703653

whewwww  :lol

So, which is it? She expects the small businesses will provide "good paying jobs" or she doesn't support small businesses having to pay well?

Edit: Beaten by Mandark.  :-[

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« Reply #6695 on: June 07, 2017, 05:23:56 AM »
Comey notified Sessions to not leave him alone with Trump after the alleged meeting about putting less focus on Flynn :

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/us/politics/comey-sessions-trump.html

Disregard because anon sources, despite a member of Comey's entourage tweeting a signal before each of those leaks.

Over/under on the spin being that Comey acting like a pussy is the real story here ?
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« Reply #6696 on: June 07, 2017, 08:44:01 AM »
Say what you will about Nixon but at least he wasn't a traitor. :trumps

actually ..

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21768668
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« Reply #6697 on: June 07, 2017, 08:59:59 AM »
http://www.knowyourleak.com/1703653

whewwww  :lol

Small businesses would be "dramatically hurt" by a minimum wage hike, otherwise they'd be able to "create good-paying jobs."

Cause if they have to pay their employees too much, they won't have money left to pay their employees enough.

:spin

We should thank her for pointing out the 'fundamental' difference between a conservative and a liberal. :clap
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« Reply #6698 on: June 07, 2017, 09:11:02 AM »
Comey notified Sessions to not leave him alone with Trump after the alleged meeting about putting less focus on Flynn :

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/us/politics/comey-sessions-trump.html

Disregard because anon sources, despite a member of Comey's entourage tweeting a signal before each of those leaks.

Over/under on the spin being that Comey acting like a pussy is the real story here ?

Comey, more like Cuckey

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« Reply #6699 on: June 07, 2017, 10:21:09 AM »
Dufus more like Cuckus
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« Reply #6701 on: June 07, 2017, 01:37:05 PM »
Comey notified Sessions to not leave him alone with Trump after the alleged meeting about putting less focus on Flynn :

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/us/politics/comey-sessions-trump.html

Disregard because anon sources, despite a member of Comey's entourage tweeting a signal before each of those leaks.

Over/under on the spin being that Comey acting like a pussy is the real story here ?

Comey, more like Cuckey

This is a Dufus-tier pun, breh :ufup

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« Reply #6702 on: June 07, 2017, 01:47:58 PM »
Comey, more like Cumy.
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« Reply #6705 on: June 07, 2017, 02:00:06 PM »
Clapper is the guy who lied to congress about the NSA spying on its own citizens. Lying is what he's best known for in a historical sense.

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« Reply #6706 on: June 07, 2017, 02:16:58 PM »
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« Reply #6707 on: June 07, 2017, 02:16:59 PM »
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« Reply #6708 on: June 07, 2017, 02:28:53 PM »
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« Reply #6709 on: June 07, 2017, 03:36:27 PM »
GAF is freaking out that nothing will come of this, but it's undeniably going to, at the very least, throw even more negative attention on Trump.  The end goal shouldn't be impeachment, although he should be impeached.  The end goal is 2018.
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« Reply #6710 on: June 07, 2017, 04:16:39 PM »
GAF is freaking out that nothing will come of this, but it's undeniably going to, at the very least, throw even more negative attention on Trump.  The end goal shouldn't be impeachment, although he should be impeached.  The end goal is 2018.

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« Reply #6711 on: June 07, 2017, 04:35:45 PM »
I would expect, at best, Comey to confirm the meeting with Trump and that he confided with his direct superior Sessions about worries he might have had (basically what the press reported). All those people are career public high servants, it's beaten into them to respect and protect the institution and process to the maximum extent. They will, rightly, retreat behind the fact an investigation is ongoing.

I think a lot of people are expecting some sort of smoking gun that probably doesn't exist.

Edit : late on the news cycle, Comey pretty much confirms the content if his meetings with Trump in the opening statement put online.
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« Reply #6712 on: June 07, 2017, 04:40:17 PM »
What were people expecting honestly?

Comey was never going to divulge any major points of the ongoing investigation. That seemed pretty clear when he paused his testimony and then met with Mueller to cross reference and run things by him. Everything was going to be centered around verifying the already leaked notes and adding any context. Looking at the question of obstruction of justice.

The testimony confirms that the "Fake News" Washington Post and  the"FAILING NYTimes," with their "anonymous sources" weren't bullshitting. The meetings happened. In addition to two subsequent phone calls by Trump. Where Trump asked for personal loyalty and/or tried to lean into Comey to drop the investigation. That Comey not only took notes but he immediately briefed his FBI team about the incidents. Probably adding a layer of coverage and authenticity to his accounts. Meaning as long as the story didn't change, it will be hard for Trump and the administration to spin this except for playing the "Trump is ignorant" card that I saw briefly used....I guess as a side note it also proves Trump was bluffing with his "TAPES" threat.

Comey did make it clear Trump is not the subject of the investigation at the time he said it, but didn't say he was clear of any wrongdoing, just that the investigation wasn't looking into him personally. He made a point in the paper that they didn't ever want to say that publicly he wasn't a subject because that could change and then would require them to correct it publicly as well.  Comey also doesn't say that remains the case today.

This paragraph was interesting:
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During the dinner, the President returned to the salacious material I had briefed him about on January 6, and, as he had done previously, expressed his disgust for the allegations and strongly denied them. He said he was considering ordering me to investigate the alleged incident to prove it didn’t happen. I replied that he should give that careful thought because it might create a narrative that we were investigating him personally, which we weren’t, and because it was very difficult to prove a negative. He said he would think about it and asked me to think about it.

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« Reply #6713 on: June 07, 2017, 04:40:41 PM »
I would expect, at best, Comey to confirm the meeting with Trump and that he confided with his direct superior Sessions about worries he might have had (basically what the press reported). All those people are career public high servants, it's beaten into them to respect and protect the institution and process to the maximum extent. They will, rightly, retreat behind the fact an investigation is ongoing.

I think a lot of people are expecting some sort of smoking gun that probably doesn't exist.
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« Reply #6714 on: June 07, 2017, 04:44:45 PM »
Wasn't talking about Sessions obviously.
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« Reply #6715 on: June 07, 2017, 04:50:34 PM »
I hope senators confirm with Comey that he tried to hide in the White House curtains.
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« Reply #6716 on: June 07, 2017, 05:29:10 PM »
If we're going to live in an authoritarian, dystopian future then I want use of the word "nothingburger" to be punishable by immediate death, no trial.

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« Reply #6717 on: June 07, 2017, 09:36:14 PM »
Honestly, I feel like more notable things happened in the Intel hearings then the Comey written statement, which largely just confirmed earlier reports:

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Two of the nation’s top intelligence officials declined in a testy hearing Wednesday to discuss the specifics of private conversations with President Trump, refusing to say whether they had been asked to push back against an FBI probe into possible coordination between Trump’s campaign and the Russian government.

Testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats demurred when asked whether it was true, as The Washington Post reported Tuesday, that Trump asked Coats if he could intervene with then-FBI Director James B. Comey to get him to back off the bureau’s focus on Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser.

“I don’t believe it’s appropriate for me to address that in a public session,’’ Coats said. “I don’t think this is the appropriate venue to do this in.’’

Both Rogers and Coats refuse to deny the conversations happened, they just refuse to speak about them publicly. Saying only that they "didn't feel pressured" to act that way. Which likely means there are two more people Trump asked to push back on the Flynn investigation and it is likely just time and mounting evidence for those two to go on record.


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McCabe said he did not want to address conversations between Comey and Trump because “those matters also begin to fall within the scope of issues being investigated by the special counsel” — a strong hint that the investigation may expand to cover potential criminal attempts by the president to impede its course.

The acting director of the FBI also clarified a key point from an earlier congressional appearance, in which he had said there had been no effort to slow or interfere with the Russia probe. What he meant, McCabe said, was that the firing of Comey had not stalled the investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-director-rogers-and-intelligence-director-coats-said-they-wont-discuss-specifics-of-private-conversations-with-trump/2017/06/07/e74f7fbe-4b88-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_senate-1120a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Also interesting. Since the latter is something the right had been pushing as a defense of Trump and the obstruction angle. Though it is a bit annoying reading Democratic politicians and pundits making this all about those two and McCabe/Rosenstein not being forthcoming. Comes off like they are missing the forest for the trees and just being reactionary to be reactionary. At least with the last two.




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« Reply #6718 on: June 08, 2017, 02:18:06 AM »
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/5/1669100/-NSA-Director-Mike-Rogers-poised-to-drop-a-bomb-on-Trump-admin-during-Wednesday-testimony

LOL, hopeful Libs.

Coats was a former Republican Senator. He's likely a partisan and Rogers might be compromised as well. I think you guys are putting too much faith in their integrity.

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« Reply #6719 on: June 08, 2017, 02:33:25 AM »
It's pretty well established that 90 some odd % of Rs with an active position of power are completely in line with the current dumpster fire of an admin.
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