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« Reply #9480 on: October 15, 2017, 12:07:45 AM »
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« Reply #9481 on: October 15, 2017, 02:02:54 AM »
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« Reply #9483 on: October 15, 2017, 06:35:30 AM »
This actually made me physically sick to watch. Never before seen footage of 20,000 Nazis in the now infamous Madison Square Garden rally of the German Bund in NYC, 1939, with audio. I've seen snippets of this but never the whole thing posted unedited.


It is crazy to put into perspective how deep the proliferation of fascist ideologies actually got in this country when you look at stuff like that. And it’s sort of a glossed over aspect of that period it feels like.

Father Coughlin had what in his heyday, like 25 million listeners a week? A guy that adored fascist leaders and at times preached an Americanized version of parts of the Nazi agenda.







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« Reply #9484 on: October 15, 2017, 07:57:55 AM »
It is crazy to put into perspective how deep the proliferation of fascist ideologies actually got in this country when you look at stuff like that. And it’s sort of a glossed over aspect of that period it feels like.

Father Coughlin had what in his heyday, like 25 million listeners a week? A guy that adored fascist leaders and at times preached an Americanized version of parts of the Nazi agenda.
Funny you'd mention him. After that event I posted happened, Coughlin made this statement distancing himself: "Nothing can be gained by linking ourselves with any organization which is engaged in agitating racial animosities or propagating racial hatreds. Organizations which stand upon such platforms are immoral and their policies are only negative." What a weird delusion, not recognizing how similar you are to something everyone hates.

You would think, you borrow from Nazis than get shocked when people become them. On the other hand, maybe it’s a recurring theme amongst the disinformation and division spreading types?



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On Wednesday, Rush Limbaugh, the conservative talk radio icon and outspoken football fan said the idea that the government, as represented by Trump, could force any employee of a business to do something “scares the hell out of me,” and said, “No president should have dictatorial power over individual behavior.

“I am very uncomfortable with the president of the United States being able to dictate the behavior and power of anybody,” Limbaugh, whose syndicated show airs daily in Philadelphia on 1210 WPHT-AM, told his listeners. “That’s not where this should be coming from.

We don’t want the president being able to demand anybody that he’s unhappy with behave in a way he requires. ”


A couple weeks after saying:

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Dozens of pro football players — at least some in every game Sunday — refused to stand during “The Star-Spangled Banner” in reaction to Mr. Trump’s recent statement that protesters should be fired.

Mr. Limbaugh told millions of listeners that conservatives should cheer because the decision by players to politicize the sport is backfiring


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« Reply #9485 on: October 15, 2017, 02:44:16 PM »
Rush Limbaugh ranted about locking up drug addicts while he was secretly gobbling pills like Pac Man.

Fuck Rush Limbaugh.  I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.


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« Reply #9486 on: October 15, 2017, 03:03:34 PM »
Benji how do you always end up watching Lou Dobbs
100% legit: One of the local Taco Bell's has Fox Business on at night and when I saw that DIMMS was not a typo but the only way the show spells/refers to them, also that he had transformed into Trump is God almost from the start, while Hannity was still pussy-footing around with Cruz and Rubio. I knew I had found my new leader in Trump's America.

Also the Ed Rollins thing isn't a joke, he's on literally almost every night I've seen and Lou basically only really has about four guests that recur over and over and they just spend twenty minutes trying to out agree each other. I usually put on one of the YouTube uploads because it warms my heart so much to see how crazy he might get. But sometimes someone is streaming it for some reason. And I get to blast you lieberals for denying the facts Lou is spittin.

Originally, I "met" Lou once he got at FOX after CNN fired him through his willingness to put up with Greg even though Greg had spent six months talking about how they had a sexual relationship on Red Eye, Lou still did an intro for the first episode of Greg's weekend show where he kicked Greg out of his limo and threw his toys he "left at their place" at him...so Lou Dobbs fascinates me on multiple levels. Like Dana Perino.


Speaking of fast food places showing news on one of their TVs, the closest McDonalds to me has Fox News on, but they have their various settings so broken the screen not only isn't in the proper aspect ratio but the captions scroll up the middle of the screen to where you can often only see the tops of people heads. I hope they never fix it.

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« Reply #9487 on: October 15, 2017, 03:34:16 PM »
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On Wednesday, Rush Limbaugh, the conservative talk radio icon and outspoken football fan said the idea that the government, as represented by Trump, could force any employee of a business to do something “scares the hell out of me,” and said, “No president should have dictatorial power over individual behavior.

“I am very uncomfortable with the president of the United States being able to dictate the behavior and power of anybody,” Limbaugh, whose syndicated show airs daily in Philadelphia on 1210 WPHT-AM, told his listeners. “That’s not where this should be coming from.

We don’t want the president being able to demand anybody that he’s unhappy with behave in a way he requires. ”


A couple weeks after saying:

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Dozens of pro football players — at least some in every game Sunday — refused to stand during “The Star-Spangled Banner” in reaction to Mr. Trump’s recent statement that protesters should be fired.

Mr. Limbaugh told millions of listeners that conservatives should cheer because the decision by players to politicize the sport is backfiring
I heard Rush talking about this later in the week because apparently he got callers and stuff upset about his saying the thing against Trump. And he was trying to make clear that his problem is Trump and Pence increasingly involving themselves and pulling the stunt or whatever, that Trump's random tweet was just Trump, but since they've gone beyond that is what led him to make the later statement.

And he still got callers who didn't understand the distinction.

I'm less inclined to see this as an example of Rush shit-stirring, hypocrisy, etc. as he has long held a libertarian streak on these issues, along with his own personal background with the NFL owners, to where I find his position believable that he enjoys seeing ratings of NFL games drop, fans responding, etc. but wishes Trump, etc. would stop getting involved. Even if Trump's tweet was arguably the ideal catalyst for the conservative media to latch onto the non-issue to fill time with.

The worst part about Rush's drug addiction wasn't that he learned about addiction, the drug war, etc. it's that he re-found religion as part of his rehab. He was more apt to crack jokes about gays, transsexuals, etc. in the 1990s rather than give sermons about their secret anti-American agendas. Even his feminazi fanfare wasn't as tinged with social conservatism as much as it became for a while, rather focused more on their absurdity/hypocrisy/etc.

In terms of my weird obsession in the ideological views of talking heads, which has always sorta made Rush distinct from say, Hannity. There's a semi-interesting difference between his two old books at least from what I remember when I read them, The Way Things Ought To Be which he wrote in the midst of the H.W. Bush presidency as a semi-autobiography plus basic political views that barely touches on culture war social conservatism other than him predicting future issues and See, I Told You So which followed after the 1992 election and first year of the Clinton presidency and is a massive polemic against the Clintons, GODLESS liberals, Democrats, AIDS victims, abortion fetishists, America haters, etc. and has a chapter about how God created America when he wrote the Constitution in 1776 and so on. I'm just also realizing that's Pat Buchanan's massive popularity happened between the two books.

Speaking of books, I've heard his Rush Revere series actually isn't too terrible for a children's historical series. But that might be the soft bigotry of low expectations?

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« Reply #9488 on: October 15, 2017, 04:06:38 PM »
This actually made me physically sick to watch. Never before seen footage of 20,000 Nazis in the now infamous Madison Square Garden rally of the German Bund in NYC, 1939, with audio. I've seen snippets of this but never the whole thing posted unedited.
It is crazy to put into perspective how deep the proliferation of fascist ideologies actually got in this country when you look at stuff like that. And it’s sort of a glossed over aspect of that period it feels like.

Father Coughlin had what in his heyday, like 25 million listeners a week? A guy that adored fascist leaders and at times preached an Americanized version of parts of the Nazi agenda.
Funny you'd mention him. After that event I posted happened, Coughlin made this statement distancing himself: "Nothing can be gained by linking ourselves with any organization which is engaged in agitating racial animosities or propagating racial hatreds. Organizations which stand upon such platforms are immoral and their policies are only negative." What a weird delusion, not recognizing how similar you are to something everyone hates.
You would think, you borrow from Nazis than get shocked when people become them. On the other hand, maybe it’s a recurring theme amongst the disinformation and division spreading types?
There's a really important historical and ideological set of points to be made here that are too often glossed over. (Side pedant note: Coughlin had that many listeners in part because he was one of the few nationally syndicated radio hosts at a time before that was a thing.)

Fascism is not Nazism. Nazism is a form of fascism obsessed with a racial definition of the nation state.

Fascism was the hot political ideology of the 1920s and 1930s, all over the Western world that hadn't gone Communist because it was seen as taking the best parts of the Communist system (central planning by experts) while avoiding the downfalls (millions dead at the hands of the state due to totalitarian violence) that also entered in a post-war world where Democracy was seen as having failed widely in many places especially once the Depression (remember, Hoover's invented PR term so as to make people feel better about it) started and was so severe and long, authoritarianism expert planning was the answer.

The "Nazi agenda" came over a decade after Italian fascism laid the foundations of the ideology. Even many of the Nazi's within the Party were not as wedded to the racial focus as Hitler and his inner circle were, Mussolini notably considered it borderline anti-fascist to be separating out groups rather than unifying them under the state but Hitler and Germany were always the most powerful of the fascist states. Part of the reason he had Gentile write The Doctrine was because of Hitler and Nazi popularity among the masses of the West versus the comparative limited popularity of traditional fascism to the intellectuals.

Father Coughlin and Huey Long were New Deal supporters who turned on FDR because FDR had halted his imposition of a fascist economic system best seen in the establishment of the NRA which was a borderline direct copy of the system setup in Italy and later Germany. When Long was killed and the National Union for Social Justice led to not a successful pursuit of the Share Our Wealth platform anywhere, but endless infighting and FDR's massive landslide re-election, that's when Coughlin had his "break" and descended into his connecting of Jewish forces, big banks, the capitalists and FDR as holding back the pursuit of social justice as would be achieved by following a fascist economic agenda. Long, Coughlin and the Social Justice movement of the 1934-1936 was not racist towards blacks for example, Long was notable as one of the few Southern politicians to be not only successful but not a segregationist let alone white supremacist of the period, and the magazine had an oddly large black subscriber base.

Long though was what held the group together on the economic focus. His murder, let Coughlin and the magazine begin to head down their path into Jewish conspiracy theories and full on anti-semetic hate. Gerald Smith eventually won the fight to control Share Our Wealth which he turned into a white supremacist movement, and he later joined the Silver Shirts and started the American First Party (distinct from the Committee) which was openly pro-Nazi. Smith was one of the earliest to publish Holocaust denial books. However, he ran out of money, was shunned by even white supremacists post-war and so basically retired into crazy Christian schemes rather than wait a few years to meet The Great One:


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« Reply #9489 on: October 15, 2017, 04:10:43 PM »
It is crazy to put into perspective how deep the proliferation of fascist ideologies actually got in this country when you look at stuff like that. And it’s sort of a glossed over aspect of that period it feels like.

Father Coughlin had what in his heyday, like 25 million listeners a week? A guy that adored fascist leaders and at times preached an Americanized version of parts of the Nazi agenda.
Funny you'd mention him. After that event I posted happened, Coughlin made this statement distancing himself: "Nothing can be gained by linking ourselves with any organization which is engaged in agitating racial animosities or propagating racial hatreds. Organizations which stand upon such platforms are immoral and their policies are only negative." What a weird delusion, not recognizing how similar you are to something everyone hates.

You would think, you borrow from Nazis than get shocked when people become them. On the other hand, maybe it’s a recurring theme amongst the disinformation and division spreading types?

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On Wednesday, Rush Limbaugh, the conservative talk radio icon and outspoken football fan said the idea that the government, as represented by Trump, could force any employee of a business to do something “scares the hell out of me,” and said, “No president should have dictatorial power over individual behavior.

“I am very uncomfortable with the president of the United States being able to dictate the behavior and power of anybody,” Limbaugh, whose syndicated show airs daily in Philadelphia on 1210 WPHT-AM, told his listeners. “That’s not where this should be coming from.

We don’t want the president being able to demand anybody that he’s unhappy with behave in a way he requires. ”


A couple weeks after saying:

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Dozens of pro football players — at least some in every game Sunday — refused to stand during “The Star-Spangled Banner” in reaction to Mr. Trump’s recent statement that protesters should be fired.

Mr. Limbaugh told millions of listeners that conservatives should cheer because the decision by players to politicize the sport is backfiring

Being fair, my (subjective) impresion of looking to this political drama is that one of the big problems that your two party political system is that people are encouraged to try to ignore the similarities with this ideologies just to be loyal to the party politics, even when is not congruent ideologically speaking. Why compromise or search for a middle ground when you are in "the right side" ?

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« Reply #9490 on: October 15, 2017, 06:51:14 PM »
Peter Daou speaks truth to power with new article: https://verrit.com/the-frustration-with-bernie-sanders/
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The Frustration With Bernie Sanders – An Explainer

There is a strange and persistent myth that Bernie Sanders didn’t run a negative campaign against Hillary Clinton in 2016. The myth persists because the mainstream media and GOP largely gave him a free pass to attack her. And they did so because his campaign was doing their dirty work, systematically assailing her public image with rightwing talking points.

Because the damage Sanders did helped elect Trump, it is important to create a record of it so Democrats don’t make the same mistake again.

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Not A Becky
October 15, 2017 at 1:22 am
Finally somebody writes about this. Thank you. I’ve seen so many people in the media claim that the attacks by Bernie and his male supporters weren’t that big of a deal. It has been a big deal. Many of us were too stunned for a long time to even realize what was happening. They were especially going after feminists & saying things I would never repeat. Once we started fighting back, some started acting like they had no idea where this was coming from & other doubled down even harder. Complete gaslighting.
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Liz
October 15, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Yes to all of this. How many female Hillary supporters spent the primary and even general campaign season being harassed endlessly by certain male Bernie supporters?! Not only that, but even the more level-headed Bernie supporters still refuse to admit that they even exist, as though all of us women who got the brunt of their ire are making it all up.

I am terrified that he is going to deliver us a second term of the Trump presidency.
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Liz
October 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm
I still don’t understand WHY the Democrats let him run under the party name…has the Democratic party ever explained why on earth they let this happen?

DON'T FORGET:
https://twitter.com/verrit/status/919603254551547904

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« Reply #9491 on: October 15, 2017, 08:02:32 PM »
American fascism was Jim Crow.

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« Reply #9492 on: October 15, 2017, 08:53:35 PM »
Peter Daou :piss2 speaks truth to power with new article: https://verrit.com/the-frustration-with-bernie-sanders/
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The Frustration With Bernie Sanders – An Explainer

There is a strange and persistent myth that Bernie Sanders didn’t run a negative campaign against Hillary Clinton in 2016. The myth persists because the mainstream media and GOP largely gave him a free pass to attack her. And they did so because his campaign was doing their dirty work, systematically assailing her public image with rightwing talking points.

Because the damage Sanders did helped elect Trump, it is important to create a record of it so Democrats don’t make the same mistake again.

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Not A Becky
October 15, 2017 at 1:22 am
Finally somebody writes about this. Thank you. I’ve seen so many people in the media claim that the attacks by Bernie and his male supporters weren’t that big of a deal. It has been a big deal. Many of us were too stunned for a long time to even realize what was happening. They were especially going after feminists & saying things I would never repeat. Once we started fighting back, some started acting like they had no idea where this was coming from & other doubled down even harder. Complete gaslighting.
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Liz
October 15, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Yes to all of this. How many female Hillary supporters spent the primary and even general campaign season being harassed endlessly by certain male Bernie supporters?! Not only that, but even the more level-headed Bernie supporters still refuse to admit that they even exist, as though all of us women who got the brunt of their ire are making it all up.

I am terrified that he is going to deliver us a second term of the Trump presidency.
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Liz
October 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm
I still don’t understand WHY the Democrats let him run under the party name…has the Democratic party ever explained why on earth they let this happen?

DON'T FORGET:
https://twitter.com/verrit/status/919603254551547904
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« Reply #9493 on: October 15, 2017, 10:10:56 PM »
So he created that web site to make a LiveJournal blog post about Bernie Sanders?
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benjipwns

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« Reply #9494 on: October 15, 2017, 10:15:15 PM »
No, he created that site as part of his long run plan to get himself a one of a kind Hillary Clinton skin suit.

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« Reply #9495 on: October 16, 2017, 02:27:48 AM »
Would you fuck Hillary?
Peter Daou'd fuck Hillary.
Peter Daou'd fuck Hillary hard.
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« Reply #9496 on: October 16, 2017, 03:23:59 AM »
Not very modest to praise your own article, Jack.

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« Reply #9497 on: October 16, 2017, 01:09:22 PM »
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/919964265846538240

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Obamacare is finished. It's dead. It's gone. You shouldn't even mention it. It's gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare anymore.
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« Reply #9498 on: October 16, 2017, 02:12:38 PM »
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/wh-us-households-get-4000-more-year-tax-cuts
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The analysis by Kevin Hassett, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said that the considerably lower rate would spur more investment by companies, which would then boost hiring and worker productivity. The average income gains from the reduced rate would range from $4,000 to as high as $9,000, the administration said. Those figures, however, rely on research arguing that workers — rather than investors — would primarily benefit from the lower corporate rates.
:mindblown

How stupid does he think people are?
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« Reply #9499 on: October 16, 2017, 02:33:26 PM »
Dumb enough to elect Donald Trump.
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Trent Dole

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« Reply #9500 on: October 16, 2017, 03:20:44 PM »
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/919964265846538240

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Obamacare is finished. It's dead. It's gone. You shouldn't even mention it. It's gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare anymore.
On the plus side his brain (and the rest of him) looks like they'll both be joining it shortly
https://twitter.com/superdeluxe/status/919244329041854464
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« Reply #9501 on: October 16, 2017, 03:28:49 PM »
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« Reply #9502 on: October 16, 2017, 03:44:51 PM »
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/wh-us-households-get-4000-more-year-tax-cuts
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The analysis by Kevin Hassett, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said that the considerably lower rate would spur more investment by companies, which would then boost hiring and worker productivity. The average income gains from the reduced rate would range from $4,000 to as high as $9,000, the administration said. Those figures, however, rely on research arguing that workers — rather than investors — would primarily benefit from the lower corporate rates.
:mindblown

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« Reply #9503 on: October 16, 2017, 04:17:11 PM »
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/fourcorners/video/201710/4Cs_Hillary_1610_1000k.mp4

I have no idea why she's not just shutting her mouth and hide :lol

"So do you feel guilty about losing to Donald Trump?"

"Oh I feel teeeeerrible. But you know, at the end of the day I was running against Trump AND the FBI director AND Vladimir Putin"

:rofl

Off to a great start.

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« Reply #9504 on: October 16, 2017, 04:39:10 PM »
Not surprising, that's what narcissists do. They blame others for their failings.


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« Reply #9505 on: October 16, 2017, 04:40:49 PM »
I blame Hydra

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« Reply #9506 on: October 16, 2017, 04:43:10 PM »
Again, she'll be back in '20 and lose the popular vote this time.
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« Reply #9507 on: October 16, 2017, 04:49:58 PM »
Again, she'll be back in '20 and lose the popular vote this time.

To The Rock. That would be fucking epic.

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« Reply #9508 on: October 16, 2017, 05:55:42 PM »
Virginia governor's race is fun. The GOP candidate, who was meant to be the more centrist, establishment pick (he barely won the primary against an underfunded challenger who ran on preserving Confederate heritage) has been blanketing local TV with ads about how MS-13 is going to kill you if you vote for the Democrat.

It's a definite turnaround from 2013 when Ken Cuccinelli's campaign was all about rebranding him as a moderate (including an ad about him working to overturn the conviction of a black man).

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« Reply #9509 on: October 16, 2017, 06:15:51 PM »
Virginia governor's race is fun. The GOP candidate, who was meant to be the more centrist, establishment pick (he barely won the primary against an underfunded challenger who ran on preserving Confederate heritage) has been blanketing local TV with ads about how MS-13 is going to kill you if you vote for the Democrat.

It's a definite turnaround from 2013 when Ken Cuccinelli's campaign was all about rebranding him as a moderate (including an ad about him working to overturn the conviction of a black man).

It's almost like Ben Sasse style conservatism isn't coming back, and Trump style (or Trump-lite) nationalism is the future of the republican party. Who knew  :doge
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« Reply #9510 on: October 16, 2017, 06:45:51 PM »
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/919964265846538240

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Obamacare is finished. It's dead. It's gone. You shouldn't even mention it. It's gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare anymore.

Man, he really doesn't understand that people like having a bad healthcare than not having healthcare.

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« Reply #9511 on: October 16, 2017, 06:52:57 PM »
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/fourcorners/video/201710/4Cs_Hillary_1610_1000k.mp4

I have no idea why she's not just shutting her mouth and hide :lol

"So do you feel guilty about losing to Donald Trump?"

"Oh I feel teeeeerrible. But you know, at the end of the day I was running against Trump AND the FBI director AND Vladimir Putin"

:rofl

Off to a great start.

No lies detected in that quote. Useless fucks like you who can't muster a shred of outrage over what was done just makes it more likely that similar tactics will be used to attempt to derail the 2020 nominee (who won't be Hillary).

But maybe don't signal boost stuff from people you'd like to see go away?

HRC and the DNC did a pretty good job of derailing themselves. Outside interference was there, but it was barely necessary.
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« Reply #9512 on: October 16, 2017, 06:56:04 PM »
We should definitely use this moment to talk about Hillary's loss again. I'm not quite sure where everyone stands on it.
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« Reply #9513 on: October 16, 2017, 07:00:15 PM »
It's not a matter of people's stances. It's a matter of looking at quantifiable evidence and being correct, or ignoring quantifiable evidence and being a blithering idiot.

I'd prefer a liberal coalition that didn't do the latter.

Dude, is politics. You are talking like we live in a world where evangelical Christians don't pretend to like Donald Trump

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« Reply #9514 on: October 16, 2017, 07:08:27 PM »
It's almost like Ben Sasse style conservatism isn't coming back, and Trump style (or Trump-lite) nationalism is the future of the republican party. Who knew  :doge
Remember Dubya's domestic agenda, with a big federal education bill and expansion of Medicare? Remember him getting 40% of Latino voters?

The past is a different country.

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« Reply #9515 on: October 16, 2017, 07:13:09 PM »
Has anyone seen Peter Daou and H.A. Goodman in the same room at the same time?

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« Reply #9516 on: October 16, 2017, 07:20:50 PM »
Where was Peter Daou when Seth Rich was murdered?

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« Reply #9517 on: October 16, 2017, 09:38:18 PM »
Why do people think Art Laffer knows fuck all about anything? Genuinely curious.
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« Reply #9518 on: October 16, 2017, 10:46:21 PM »
Why do people think Art Laffer knows fuck all about anything? Genuinely curious.

Makes rich people feel good about taking money from poor people to pay for their tax cuts.

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« Reply #9519 on: October 16, 2017, 11:11:18 PM »
Maybe we could get a filter for Hillary, Hillary Clinton, Clinton, Killdawg, Hilldawg, or anything else similar.

Something like This is Jack's Loser of a Candidate

Maybe ya'll figgurts could stop posting about her from here on out.
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« Reply #9520 on: October 16, 2017, 11:14:47 PM »
And speaking of people past their prime that have inexplicably managed to retain credibility :



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« Reply #9521 on: October 16, 2017, 11:48:20 PM »
We should definitely use this moment to talk about Hillary's loss again. I'm not quite sure where everyone stands on it.
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« Reply #9522 on: October 17, 2017, 01:58:41 AM »
Why do people think Art Laffer knows fuck all about anything? Genuinely curious.

What I find particularly interesting about that dude is how simple-minded this dude is. I was watching a debate between him and some liberal economist that went on for like an hour, and every time Laffer spoke, all he could say was that tax cuts increase revenue without really providing any numbers whatsoever.  Even massive hacks like Stephen Moore would at least use some bullshit figures in order to sound credible. Laffer can't even do that much. He was on Joy Reid's program the other day, and when he was asked why his brilliant strategy didn't work in Kansas, he didn't even attempt to offer a defense and just said some shit like "Look, we can argue what happened in the past, but now it's time to move forward with new job creating tax cuts".

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« Reply #9523 on: October 17, 2017, 02:36:09 AM »
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/fourcorners/video/201710/4Cs_Hillary_1610_1000k.mp4

I have no idea why she's not just shutting her mouth and hide :lol

"So do you feel guilty about losing to Donald Trump?"

"Oh I feel teeeeerrible. But you know, at the end of the day I was running against Trump AND the FBI director AND Vladimir Putin"

:rofl

Off to a great start.

No lies detected in that quote. Useless fucks like you who can't muster a shred of outrage over what was done just makes it more likely that similar tactics will be used to attempt to derail the 2020 nominee (who won't be Hillary).

But maybe don't signal boost stuff from people you'd like to see go away?


Look Y2Kev, if it was that easy and you could sway the american voters with just a bunch of tweets and whatnot, it would have been really easy for Hilldawg and the DNC to pull a Jeb and paint the electoral map blue. So if her assessment is valid, that's even more of a failure on her part.

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« Reply #9524 on: October 17, 2017, 11:54:35 AM »
From other races in Virginia:






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« Reply #9525 on: October 17, 2017, 12:04:15 PM »
Why are they so scared of people buying guns? ???
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« Reply #9526 on: October 17, 2017, 12:10:05 PM »
Also today: Rand Paul endorsed Roy Moore. :teehee

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« Reply #9527 on: October 17, 2017, 02:25:11 PM »
Is it me or "Then they and even criminals will have the ID they need to buy a gun" sounds weird?

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« Reply #9528 on: October 17, 2017, 02:33:11 PM »
Yeah, missing the "legally."

But seriously, don't quite understand the "even criminals" bit. Criminals already can get ahold of weapons. Isn't that also a talking point in favour of "good guys with guns"?

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« Reply #9529 on: October 17, 2017, 03:10:09 PM »
Hey Jack guess what

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« Reply #9531 on: October 17, 2017, 03:20:38 PM »
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/fourcorners/video/201710/4Cs_Hillary_1610_1000k.mp4

I have no idea why she's not just shutting her mouth and hide :lol

"So do you feel guilty about losing to Donald Trump?"

"Oh I feel teeeeerrible. But you know, at the end of the day I was running against Trump AND the FBI director AND Vladimir Putin"

:rofl

Off to a great start.

No lies detected in that quote. Useless fucks like you who can't muster a shred of outrage over what was done just makes it more likely that similar tactics will be used to attempt to derail the 2020 nominee (who won't be Hillary).

But maybe don't signal boost stuff from people you'd like to see go away?


Herp derp, I have deliberately avoided learning a goddamn thing about what went down in 2016 because I'd prefer living in my cognitive bubble of schadenfreude.

Should have just posted this instead. Would have gotten to the point much more directly.

For the sake of the thread and Steve Contra, I'll just throw you on ignore and stop replying to your derp posts.

Please don't, your rage sustains me  :noah

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« Reply #9532 on: October 17, 2017, 07:25:47 PM »
You don't need a US driver's license to board a plane
BUT YOU COULD BOARD A PLANE WITH ONE

HERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS YOU COULD DO WITH A DRIVERS LICENSE:
-HAVE PRE-MARTIAL SEX
-USE AN ATM
-LISTEN TO THE "DAOU OF POLITICS" PODCAST
-BUY GROCERIES
-MOW A LAWN
-PRAY AT A MOSQUE
-EAT AT ARBY'S
-PLAY NIGHT TRAP ON THE SEGA CD
-ENTER A LOCAL BUILDING OR FACILITY
-ENTER SOMEONE ELSE'S HOME
-SERVE AS PRESIDENT
-ORCHESTRATE A FALSE FLAG TERRORIST ATTACK IN ORDER TO COVER UP THE DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING IN A COMPLEX REAL-ESTATE SCHEME TO MANIPULATE LOCAL PRICES AND EVENTUALLY BUILD A MOSQUE DOWN THE STREET FROM THE SITE OF THE "TERRORIST" ATTACK

VOTE NO ON NOVEMBER 7TH BY VOTING FOR THE OTHER CANDIDATE* SINCE IT'S NOT A RETENTION ELECTION

*WHO WE CANNOT NAME AND NEVER MET OR EVEN KNOW EXISTS

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« Reply #9533 on: October 17, 2017, 07:29:04 PM »
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« Reply #9536 on: October 17, 2017, 09:40:55 PM »
I give it 6 months tops until stuff about him being a creep comes up.
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« Reply #9537 on: October 17, 2017, 09:51:21 PM »
I don’t know how long until people get tired of re-litigating the primary, but that husband/wife duo that post like they were birthed from a poliGAF thread, certainly look poised to try and see just how long they can keep monetizing it.


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« Reply #9538 on: October 17, 2017, 10:44:35 PM »
I don’t know how long until people get tired of re-litigating the primary, but that husband/wife duo that post like they were birthed from a poliGAF thread, certainly look poised to try and see just how long they can keep monetizing it.

None of this has anything to do with the primary.

Edit: I guess the Women's Convention thing is tangentially connected because of the controversy.

Primary might not encompass enough, you are right, its playing to the "Yass Queen" tribe and the purity testers.

A lot of shit is true, but it is the sort of smug abrasiveness that is only going to resonate with a certain crowd, it certainly isn't the sort of stuff that is productive, persuasive and tends to do more to divide than mobilize.






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« Reply #9539 on: October 17, 2017, 10:47:26 PM »
We already get enough of Jack posting about Hillary in these threads, do we really need to post his tweets about Hillary, too?
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HOW HILLARY CLINTON STILL CAN, AND SHOULD, BECOME PRESIDENT AFTER THE TRUMP-RUSSIA INVESTIGATION

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Here's how constitutional law expert Lessig lays it out:

If number 1: If Trump is definitively found to have colluded directly with Russia, he would be forced to resign or be impeached.

If number 2: If Trump is removed, Vice President Mike Pence would become president.

If number 3: If Pence becomes president, he should resign too, given that he benefited from the same help from Mother Russia.

If number 4: If Pence resigns before appointing a vice president, Ryan would become president.

If number 5: If Ryan becomes president, he should do the right thing and choose Clinton for vice president. Then he should resign.

"The answer seems unavoidable: He should nominate the person defeated by the treason of his own party, and then step aside and let her become the president," Lessig writes.

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Without doubt, if Ryan did the right thing, that would be the most extraordinary event in the history of America since the Confederate Army fired on Fort Sumter. But unlike that, this event would build the union, not divide it. And if he did it, then Clinton should embrace the spirit of cross partisan decency and nominate Ryan, or a Republican, as her Vice President. At least for the balance of her first term, the frame of adults-behaving-like-adults could live.