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« Reply #9540 on: October 06, 2017, 04:42:15 AM »
Ozydumbias : "You'll see what I did 25mn ago."
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« Reply #9541 on: October 06, 2017, 04:54:54 AM »
There is something distinctly Chicagoan about always turning to the poor for more money when the budget goes sour. Right now the hot potato is the soda tax, which may or may not be repealed pretty soon.

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Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle on Thursday plans to unveil a 2018 spending plan with a clear message: Keep the controversial soda tax or slash spending by 11 percent on criminal justice and public health.

The budget proposal she’ll present to sharply divided commissioners amid a loud and sustained backlash counts on the county collecting $200 million next year from the penny-an-ounce tax, top financial aides told the Chicago Tribune on Wednesday.
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The $5.4 billion budget proposal represents “what I see as the best course toward a healthier, safer and more efficient Cook County,” Preckwinkle said in a statement. “This budget reflects my vision for a fiscally and morally responsible government, one that provides quality health care to all, regardless of need, and promotes equity through a fairer criminal justice system and economic development initiatives throughout the region.”
I dunno, taxing poor people on food they like is a bad look and has extremely limited health effects. Wait, hold on...
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Ammar Rizki, the county’s acting chief financial officer, told commissioners late Friday that without the pop tax money, the county would have to reduce spending by 11 percent from 2017 levels.
Ok woah, I don't know how we got to a place where a regressive tax accounts for over a tenth of the budget but ok fam, if you're gonna hold everything else hostage, too, we should probably keep it. Hospitals and police officers are really important so I'm sure everyone else agrees with this.

Right?

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Cook County Commissioner John Daley announced Thursday he’ll vote to repeal the controversial soda tax, dealing a serious blow to Board President Toni Preckwinkle’s attempt to keep it in place.

The change of heart by Daley, the brother of the former Chicago mayor and a longtime Preckwinkle ally, gives opponents nine votes in favor of repeal. That’s just enough to overturn the pop tax, but foes will need to round up two more votes to override a potential Preckwinkle veto.

“I am going to vote to repeal,” Daley told the Chicago Tribune on Thursday. “I listened to the community, the residents I represent, and there’s been a strong outcry.

“It’s a lot of taxes they’ve been hit with,” added Daley, referring to city property tax hikes, garbage fees and the recent state income tax increase. “It’s every economic group. It’s every ethnic group. It’s every part of the district.”
Ok never mind, I guess my priorities are all wrong. So how are they going to fill that massive hole in the budget they just blew? Quick, what's the only job currently available to low skill workers and moms who can't work conventional working hours because they take care of kids

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An alderman who has advocated for the taxi industry again Wednesday called for Mayor Rahm Emanuel to raise fees on rides hailed through apps like Uber to help balance the city’s budget and give struggling cabbies a leg up.
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We should have went for the dollar and we negotiated down to the 50-cent (fee),” Beale said Wednesday. “Now here we are again, going for the dollar. And so, I think we could have been much further along if we had just stuck to our guns and gone for the dollar a couple years ago.”

Beale also said the city should consider raising the $5 per-pickup additional fee ride share companies pay when they collect riders at McCormick Place, Navy Pier and O’Hare and Midway airports.
well that sounds good to me. Before I bring this meeting to a close are there any other ideas?

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While Commissioner John Fritchey has proposed legalizing marijuana as an alternative...
what are you crazy
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« Reply #9542 on: October 06, 2017, 05:05:22 AM »
Man Democrats suck, at least those Republicans don't attack their own constituents REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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For months, officials in Republican-controlled Iowa had sought federal permission to revitalize their ailing health-insurance marketplace. Then President Trump read about the request in a newspaper story and called the federal director weighing the application.

Trump’s message in late August was clear, according to individuals who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations: Tell Iowa no.

Supporters of the Affordable Care Act see the president’s opposition even to changes sought by conservative states as part of a broader campaign by his administration to undermine the 2010 health-care law. In addition to trying to cut funding for the ACA, the Trump administration also is hampering state efforts to control premiums. In the case of Iowa, that involved a highly unusual intervention by the president himself.
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« Reply #9543 on: October 06, 2017, 05:33:36 AM »
Chicago: Let's put a "health tax" on soda

Also Chicago: Let's have our signature foods be the most calorically dense pizza in the world + hot dogs

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« Reply #9544 on: October 06, 2017, 01:48:01 PM »
Oh hey, look. trump just pissed off a shitload of voting women. :clap
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« Reply #9545 on: October 06, 2017, 01:49:39 PM »
Does anyone actually believe he wins reelection at this point?
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« Reply #9546 on: October 06, 2017, 02:00:03 PM »
In what world is Hilary a worse candidate than Trump?

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« Reply #9547 on: October 06, 2017, 02:20:01 PM »
Secondly, an incumbent president trying to win again is a lot harder than winning the first time.

:thinking
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« Reply #9548 on: October 06, 2017, 02:42:15 PM »
Does anyone actually believe he wins reelection at this point?

If the other candidate is even worse than he is, yes.

I'd say that's unlikely, but I also thought that last time, and you know what happened... :doge

I think he won't win a re-election though. First of all, as far as I'm concerned, there's no way he's finishing his term with Mueller on his ass. Secondly, an incumbent president trying to win again is a lot harder than winning the first time.

Hillary wasn't a worse candidate.  She was boring and too cocky and had years of mudslinging against her.

Also you know, Russian interference.
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« Reply #9549 on: October 06, 2017, 02:58:32 PM »
Does anyone actually believe he wins reelection at this point?

If the other candidate is even worse than he is, yes.

I'd say that's unlikely, but I also thought that last time, and you know what happened... :doge

I think he won't win a re-election though. First of all, as far as I'm concerned, there's no way he's finishing his term with Mueller on his ass. Secondly, an incumbent president trying to win again is a lot harder than winning the first time.

Hillary wasn't a worse candidate.  She was boring and too cocky and had years of mudslinging against her.

Also you know, Russian interference.

Hillary was the better option (and popular vote seems to agree) but she was not a strong candidate given the stuff you just said.

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« Reply #9550 on: October 06, 2017, 03:09:30 PM »
It was probably just the emails thing. But anyway...

America just wanted a conservative more than a liberal, it didn't matter who was running. That NY Times graph that came out today is amazing, let me go find it.
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« Reply #9551 on: October 06, 2017, 03:11:47 PM »
You quoted me before I could change my post to an entirely different opinion, how dare you
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« Reply #9552 on: October 06, 2017, 03:18:18 PM »
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« Reply #9553 on: October 06, 2017, 03:20:28 PM »
Secondly, an incumbent president trying to win again is a lot harder than winning the first time.

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« Reply #9554 on: October 06, 2017, 03:23:44 PM »
Ok agreed it's on her but
Killary has no excuses.
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« Reply #9555 on: October 06, 2017, 03:26:19 PM »
Does anyone actually believe he wins reelection at this point?
If he survives to 2020 he 'wins' again and this time it looks like he won the popular vote too. :gloomy
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« Reply #9556 on: October 06, 2017, 03:27:43 PM »
If he survives to 2020 he 'wins' again and this time it looks like he won the popular vote too. :gloomy
It's hopeless if it gets to that point. If he wins a second time, there's nothing stopping him from winning a third time, too.
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« Reply #9557 on: October 06, 2017, 03:32:45 PM »
In what world is Hilary a worse candidate than Trump?

I guess the one where she lost to Trump in 2016  :doge

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« Reply #9558 on: October 06, 2017, 03:42:38 PM »
Happening now in Sacramento: truck drivers, angry at a new law requiring electronic logging devices in all trucks to keep them on a safe schedule, are protesting on the highway by intentionally blocking traffic.

http://www.kcra.com/article/big-rig-protest-slows-traffic-on-hwy-99-near-sacramento-1/12797512

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« Reply #9559 on: October 06, 2017, 03:57:14 PM »
In what world is Hilary a worse candidate than Trump?

I'm talking about electability (?), not competence. Obviously Hillary would be an infinitely better president.

Hillary was extremely unlikable, almost as bad as Trump from the polls I saw, but Hillary's campaign was worse.

This is horseshit.

She's perfectly likable by any reasonable person.

To not like Hillary, you had to be a real nasty or petty son of a bitch.

Bruh, how many times can you fall down this hole?

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« Reply #9560 on: October 06, 2017, 03:57:31 PM »
This is horseshit.

She's perfectly likable by any reasonable person.

To not like Hillary, you had to be a real nasty or petty son of a bitch.
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« Reply #9561 on: October 06, 2017, 04:01:23 PM »
Secondly, an incumbent president trying to win again is a lot harder than winning the first time.

:thinking

I don't get it. :fbm
With the exception of Jimmy Carter a political party hasn't lost the White House after only 4 years since Cleveland.

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« Reply #9562 on: October 06, 2017, 04:49:22 PM »
Oh wow a your mom joke. I am so shocked and embarrassed.

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« Reply #9563 on: October 06, 2017, 05:04:19 PM »
Paul Krugman scaremongering again.

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By all accounts, Rex Tillerson has demoralized and degraded the State Department to the point of uselessness. Tom Price did much the same to Health and Human Services before jetting off. Scott Pruitt has moved rapidly to eliminate the “protection” aspect of the Environmental Protection Agency. And similar stories are unfolding throughout the executive branch.

Donald Trump has, in short, been like a Category 5 hurricane sweeping through the U.S. government, leaving devastation in his wake. And one question I don’t see being asked often enough is, will the same thing happen to the Federal Reserve? And if it does, how disastrous will that end up being for the world economy?

"They're destroying the Fed. And then the Fed is going to destroy the economy. Oooooh myyyyy goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood!!!!!!!!"
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« Reply #9564 on: October 06, 2017, 05:23:41 PM »
Paul Krugman scaremongering again.

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By all accounts, Rex Tillerson has demoralized and degraded the State Department to the point of uselessness. Tom Price did much the same to Health and Human Services before jetting off. Scott Pruitt has moved rapidly to eliminate the “protection” aspect of the Environmental Protection Agency. And similar stories are unfolding throughout the executive branch.

Donald Trump has, in short, been like a Category 5 hurricane sweeping through the U.S. government, leaving devastation in his wake. And one question I don’t see being asked often enough is, will the same thing happen to the Federal Reserve? And if it does, how disastrous will that end up being for the world economy?

"They're destroying the Fed. And then the Fed is going to destroy the economy. Oooooh myyyyy goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood!!!!!!!!"

I don't really see anything wrong with what he just said  :idont

A lot of that has been common, but underreported opinions from people of either party. Tillerson has been gutting the State Department or failing to staff up after changes, pushing out talented career civil servants in the process and the result has apparently been a severely crippled agency that is going to continue struggling to be responsive and effective.

The sheer incompetency in almost every department is almost guaranteed to have knockdown effects. Just look at the failure to staff up at FEMA and how that has affected the response with Puerto Rico. Or how chaotic upper level leadership led to paralysis on responding initially to the crisis, and across multiple agencies. Thats not even mentioning what the war on the "deep state(civil servants)" is going to have on talent drain and recruitment.  And I don't expect that to change with the fed given some of the nominees I have read about.
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« Reply #9565 on: October 06, 2017, 05:44:42 PM »
I don't really see anything wrong with what he just said  :idont

A lot of that has been common, but underreported opinions from people of either party. Tillerson has been gutting the State Department or failing to staff up after changes, pushing out talented career civil servants in the process and the result has apparently been a severely crippled agency that is going to continue struggling to be responsive and effective.

The sheer incompetency in almost every department is almost guaranteed to have knockdown effects. Just look at the failure to staff up at FEMA and how that has affected the response with Puerto Rico. Or how chaotic upper level leadership led to paralysis on responding initially to the crisis, and across multiple agencies. Thats not even mentioning what the war on the "deep state(civil servants)" is going to have on talent drain and recruitment.  And I don't expect that to change with the fed given some of the nominees I have read about.
There's no question that the Trump administration's incompetency will have long-lasting ramifications but the Fed's safe. When it comes to the next fed chairman, Trump's just going to pick whoever's qualified. Trump only cares about trade, ISIS, and mexicans. He defers to experts on practically everything else and does not give a single fuck. Evidence from Bloomberg:

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There’s no frontrunner at the moment, several people said. Two people said the president has no plans to interview economist Glenn Hubbard and U.S. Bancorp Chairman Richard Davis, both of whom have been floated as possible candidates.

I mean, he seriously doesn't care. He could even keep Yellen on, which is what Bloomberg reported in June, but is no longer what Trump's "inner circle" is saying, but who knows because truth is relative and anything can happen.
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« Reply #9566 on: October 06, 2017, 05:53:39 PM »
He defers to experts on practically everything else and does not give a single fuck.

What do we mean by "experts" in this context?

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« Reply #9567 on: October 06, 2017, 06:32:49 PM »
I half expect Jim Cramer or Carl Icahn to be nominated as fed chairman.

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« Reply #9568 on: October 06, 2017, 07:18:15 PM »


I'd kill to see Cramer give a speech
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« Reply #9569 on: October 06, 2017, 09:18:01 PM »
Jim Cramer studied poli sci (and then he got a JD obviously) he fell into stock market trading through Marty Peretz getting him a job at Goldman Sachs. Considering his response to Jon Stewart mocking his incompetence was to immediately crawl into a ball and ask forgiveness the Fed Board would probably eat him alive.

When he was on the Apprentice I didn't get the impression that Trump thought he was very smart. He instantly caved to Trump too. :lol

I forget what it was but he was one of the watchers and he thought the team did something okay but Trump hated it and Cramer started to defend how this one part was decent but Trump was like "nah" and Cramer's response became "you're right, complete garbage, literally the Holocaust of brochures about cars."

Trump apparently has said he might re-appoint Yellen, which means fuck all considering it's Trump, but she's on the board until 2024 anyway. The recent thing has been to promote from inside the board. Yellen was Vice Chair, for example and had been the SF Bank President before moving up. Fed Chair is one of those positions where you can't really look at precedent since Greenspan was it for two decades. Two of his three immediate predecessors served two terms (despite Nixon hating Burns) and Martin was there for twenty years too.

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« Reply #9570 on: October 06, 2017, 10:25:49 PM »
Can we not do this hillary shit again?
okay, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/10/06/back-on-the-trail-bidens-message-rankles-the-left/
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Former vice president Joe Biden returned to national politics Tuesday during an afternoon rally in Alabama for Democratic Senate nominee Doug Jones, and his speech was a striking departure from his party’s current tone.

As Jones smiled from across the podium, Biden treated the crowd of about 1,000 people to a riff on the Senate’s glory days — days when the party included segregationists.

“I’ve been around so long, I worked with James Eastland,” said Biden, referring to a segregationist senator from Mississippi. “Even in the days when I got there, the Democratic Party still had seven or eight old-fashioned Democratic segregationists. You’d get up and you’d argue like the devil with them. Then you’d go down and have lunch or dinner together. The political system worked. We were divided on issues, but the political system worked.”

Biden talked wistfully about Washington’s old politics, even showing off his vocal impression of the last Democrat to represent Alabama in the Senate, Howell Heflin. (Richard C. Shelby, the state’s senior senator, was elected as a Democrat but switched to the GOP in the 1990s.)

But when Graham Vyse, a reporter for the New Republic, later asked progressives to respond to the Biden pitch, he got an earful. In Vyse’s report published Thursday, Markos Moulitsas, the founder of Daily Kos, said:

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If Biden’s solution to eight years of Republican obstruction and conservative slash-and-burn tactics against him and Barack Obama is to talk about “bipartisanship” and “consensus,” then he might as well pack up and go home. If he’s that stupid to believe that s‑‑‑, then he’s no longer got any business being in [public]. The various wings of the Democratic Party may disagree on a bunch of things, but the one thing that unites us is the realization that the right wants nothing more than a white supremacist autocracy that would rather see liberals dead or in chains. You don’t seek consensus with Nazis. You destroy them.”

Democratic activists, who are less focused on 2020 than is the pundit class, have warm attitudes toward Biden. In Alabama, where Democrats have been wiped out of power, it’s not clear that any other high-profile member of the party could stump for Jones.

But as Biden reemerges as a national figure — his book tour will take him across the country this fall — he is set to collide with the new politics of the post-Obama Democrats. Biden, who passed on a 2016 presidential run, never had to face the criticism that weakened Hillary Clinton’s support from the left. She was pummeled for talking in support of the 1994 crime bill; Biden co-wrote that bill. She lost some activists forever by backing the Iraq War; Biden backed it, too, with reservations.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who since Clinton’s defeat has become the Democrats’ most visible messenger, has argued that the party can win back power and compete with white working-class voters by compromising less with Republicans — by staking out a left-wing vision and pulling the country with them. Biden’s approach, of promising incremental change and taking the bitterness out of politics, increasingly sounds out of place.

“Guys, the wealthy are as patriotic as the poor,” Biden told the crowd in Alabama. “I know Bernie doesn’t like me saying that, but they are.”

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« Reply #9571 on: October 06, 2017, 10:46:36 PM »
shut up joe!
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« Reply #9572 on: October 06, 2017, 10:47:55 PM »
Okay, read the Krugman thing. It's just part of his continuing "I Was Right And You Haven't Learned" monetary policy series.

The question is whether the people who'd get in Trump's ear actually believe that stuff about inflation and "printing money," or whether that's just shit you pretend to care about when you're the opposition (like the deficit).

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« Reply #9573 on: October 07, 2017, 12:37:30 AM »
Does anyone actually believe he wins reelection at this point?

If the other candidate is even worse than he is, yes.

I'd say that's unlikely, but I also thought that last time, and you know what happened... :doge

I think he won't win a re-election though. First of all, as far as I'm concerned, there's no way he's finishing his term with Mueller on his ass. Secondly, an incumbent president trying to win again is a lot harder than winning the first time.

You shouldn't work so hard to live up to your name.

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« Reply #9574 on: October 07, 2017, 03:39:39 AM »
speaking of the Gerrymandering case and our favorite justice Samuel Alito, guy who did the research says Alito may have gotten it wrong and backwards, though of course not intentionally :doge
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/10/06/the-supreme-court-discussed-my-research-on-gerrymandering-there-were-some-misconceptions/

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« Reply #9575 on: October 07, 2017, 04:18:37 AM »
Alito is the Pretentious Hobo of the Supreme Court. My favorite snippet about him from Slate:

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In recent years, Alito’s temperamental flare-ups have become increasingly directed at his colleagues. Court procedure dictates that the justices argue with one another through the proxy of an advocate. But Alito is entirely willing to direct his barbs directly at his colleagues. Even Scalia, Alito’s usual ideological ally, isn’t safe from his prickly jibes. During oral arguments for Brown v. EMA, a case involving the sale of violent video games to minors, Alito mocked Scalia’s originalism by informing an advocate, “I think what Justice Scalia wants to know is what James Madison thought about video games. Did he enjoy them?” Alito was obviously amused by his own belittling quip, as was the audience: The exchange, which begins around 16 minutes in, drew laughter from the crowd. Scalia, though, was clearly unamused. “No,” he growled, “I want to know what James Madison thought about violence.” A frequent court jester himself, Scalia still takes his own philosophy quite seriously. He doesn’t take kindly to a colleague ridiculing it—especially in public.

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« Reply #9576 on: October 07, 2017, 04:45:28 AM »
look at the split on that case (Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association, the california ban on violent video games):
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Majority   Scalia, joined by Kennedy, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan

Concurrence   Alito, joined by Roberts

Dissent   Thomas
Dissent   Breyer

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Though Alito agreed with the constitutional application to the California law, believing that its "threshold requirement" that guides what material would be covered by the law was too broad, he questioned the potential double standard that existed between violence and sexual content in regards to this threshold. Alito wrote that he was unsure that there was no connection between violent video games and effects on children, stating that "There are reasons to suspect that the experience of playing violent video games just might be very different from reading a book, listening to the radio, or watching a movie or a television show," referencing the book Infinite Reality which highlights the psychological effects of virtual reality, and argued that the decision "would not squelch legislative efforts to deal with what is perceived by some to be a significant and developing social problem.

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Breyer wrote separately, concerned that the majority's decision conflicts with previous rulings from Ginsberg and Miller. He contrasted the previous findings regulating sales of publications containing nudity to those of violent video games: "But what sense does it make to forbid selling to a 13-year-old boy a magazine with an image of a nude woman, while protecting a sale to that 13 year-old of an interactive video game in which he actively, but virtually, binds and gags the woman, then tortures and kills her?" Breyer further argued that "This case is ultimately less about censorship than it is about education," believing that the Government has a vested interest in allowing parents to make decisions for their child as to "raise future generations committed cooperatively to making our system of government work," and that "California's law imposes no more than a modest restriction on expression." Breyer also expressed concern that the self-regulation of the industry still allowed for 20% of minors to purchase mature video games on a national average, and as high as 50% in the case of one nationwide chain


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Justice Thomas, in his dissent, considered that historically, the Founding Fathers "believed parents to have complete authority over their minor children and expected parents to direct the development of those children," and that the intent of the First Amendment "does not include a right to speak to minors (or a right of minors to access speech) without going through the minors' parents or guardians."
Unless they're employed by a school, of course, then they're free to do strip and even cavity searches of minors in order to find drugs because parents could do the same.

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« Reply #9577 on: October 07, 2017, 04:49:04 AM »
I don't really see anything wrong with what he just said  :idont

A lot of that has been common, but underreported opinions from people of either party. Tillerson has been gutting the State Department or failing to staff up after changes, pushing out talented career civil servants in the process and the result has apparently been a severely crippled agency that is going to continue struggling to be responsive and effective.

The sheer incompetency in almost every department is almost guaranteed to have knockdown effects. Just look at the failure to staff up at FEMA and how that has affected the response with Puerto Rico. Or how chaotic upper level leadership led to paralysis on responding initially to the crisis, and across multiple agencies. Thats not even mentioning what the war on the "deep state(civil servants)" is going to have on talent drain and recruitment.  And I don't expect that to change with the fed given some of the nominees I have read about.
There's no question that the Trump administration's incompetency will have long-lasting ramifications but the Fed's safe. When it comes to the next fed chairman, Trump's just going to pick whoever's qualified. Trump only cares about trade, ISIS, and mexicans. He defers to experts on practically everything else and does not give a single fuck. Evidence from Bloomberg:

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There’s no frontrunner at the moment, several people said. Two people said the president has no plans to interview economist Glenn Hubbard and U.S. Bancorp Chairman Richard Davis, both of whom have been floated as possible candidates.

I mean, he seriously doesn't care. He could even keep Yellen on, which is what Bloomberg reported in June, but is no longer what Trump's "inner circle" is saying, but who knows because truth is relative and anything can happen.

I think you may have taken that a bit out of context:

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Only a small handful of the president’s closest advisers have seen the final list of names, several of the people said. Two senior administration officials who have been involved in the discussions say that in addition to Yellen, Trump is considering Cohn, former Fed board governor Kevin Warsh and current governor Jerome Powell.

There’s no frontrunner at the moment, several people said. Two people said the president has no plans to interview economist Glenn Hubbard and U.S. Bancorp Chairman Richard Davis, both of whom have been floated as possible candidates.

A fifth person, Stanford economist John Taylor, a favorite of fiscal conservatives, is also believed to be under consideration, two of the people said. It’s unknown whether Taylor has been interviewed or is scheduled for a meeting.

Trump is known to have spoken to Yellen, Cohn, Warsh and Powell about the Fed post, several people told Bloomberg News last week.

Hubbard wasn’t immediately available for comment. Dana Ripley, a spokesman for U.S. Bancorp, declined to comment.

The latest developments show that Trump is closer to making a final selection than previously known. He said Friday that he is two or three weeks away from announcing his nominee for the post overseeing the nation’s central bank.

Simultaneously, the White House is searching for a Fed vice chair. Trump has four appointments to make to the Fed in total: chairman, vice chair and two governors.

He seemingly has a list, put together with the help of his advisors. Like anything else, I expect minimal effort and whoever Fox and Friends mentions the day before to likely seal his endorsement. But if you look at some of those candidates, like Warsh, who I have seen mentioned a lot. He is very worrisome. As Mandark pointed out with the rest of the Krugman column, its one of these "is this guy(Warsh) really an erratic market fundamentalist with a penchant for catastrophizing and tunnel-visioning phantom inflation?" A Scott Pruitt of the Fed? Or was he just playing one on TV? Krugman hasn't been the only one worried about that answer, and for good reason IMO. Trumps so-called "experts" he leans on are anything but. With few exceptions they are sycophants, barely qualified, self-promoting, corrupt, or ideologues. In terms of economic expertise, Trump has like one, and a bunch of Goldman Sachs guys(the type of Goldman Sachs people that would be in a Trump presidency) that seem to have his ear. Not exactly a recipe that is likely to yield much in the way of quality leadership hires.
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« Reply #9578 on: October 07, 2017, 05:09:28 AM »
This is sorta a form of the Imperial Presidency concept. Krugman's entire article talks about the Fed Chair. The Fed Chair is only as powerful as the rest of the system allows him or her to be, the Vice Chair is incredibly powerful structurally. And the divestment requirements are much higher than a White House position or whatever that got Icahn to flee earlier this year.

There hasn't been a full Fed Board of Governors since 2014. The permanent banks have more voting members than the Board despite the Board being spotted two seats. The (((Vice Chair))) is resigning in a week.

edit: okay, that quoted article or whatever mentions the vacancies, Krugman's (which i also had to go searching for...just saying...) is just about the chair, the chair, the chair, the chair

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« Reply #9579 on: October 07, 2017, 05:57:21 AM »
I think you may have taken that a bit out of context:
Worse, I misread it. My apologies.
He seemingly has a list, put together with the help of his advisors. Like anything else, I expect minimal effort and whoever Fox and Friends mentions the day before to likely seal his endorsement. But if you look at some of those candidates, like Warsh, who I have seen mentioned a lot. He is very worrisome. As Mandark pointed out with the rest of the Krugman column, its one of these "is this guy(Warsh) really an erratic market fundamentalist with a penchant for catastrophizing and tunnel-visioning phantom inflation?" A Scott Pruitt of the Fed? Or was he just playing one on TV? Krugman hasn't been the only one worried about that answer, and for good reason IMO. Trumps so-called "experts" he leans on are anything but. With few exceptions they are sycophants, barely qualified, self-promoting, corrupt, or ideologues. In terms of economic expertise, Trump has like one, and a bunch of Goldman Sachs guys(the type of Goldman Sachs people that would be in a Trump presidency) that seem to have his ear. Not exactly a recipe that is likely to yield much in the way of quality leadership hires.
I'm having second thoughts now. It doesn't help that for the past few days this has been plastered on the front of The Economist: Asset prices are high across the board. Is it time to worry? (Betteridge's Law of Headlines anyone?), which argues that the Fed's been fairly responsible with the economy lately and should continue what it's doing. The subtext is that doing something else could trigger a crisis.

My own bias is that it's hard not to have unwavering belief in the strength of institutions. And even looking at the shortlist, besides Warsh, it's not so bad. Warsh, if true to his public statements, would be a huge mistake to appoint as Fed Chair. I don't think there's any question that he really does hold those beliefs because as the Vox hitpiece on him notes, he was an avid deregulator during the Bush years, so he's got that taste for blood.

Gary Cohn would not be so bad. He's sort of got the opposite problem of Warsh, which is that he won't raise rates fast enough. But I also wouldn't bet on him at all because he's the lone economic advisor you mentioned. He already has a relationship with Trump so I think Trump would want to keep him on.

Lastly, Powell is obviously just a continuation of current Fed policy. So "things remain the same" is even higher than the Yellen factor. And there's more that gets me to bet this way, too, because as CNBC has noted, Trump likes the way the stock market has been going, so there's a real risk to changing that formula.
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« Reply #9580 on: October 07, 2017, 08:26:04 AM »
So Trump was elected 11 months ago. I remember everything like it was yesterday but it feels like I've hated what he represents for all my life. I can't understand why or who would support him right now.

I remember everyones shock, tears, nervous laughter, and the hours and hours of me constantly refreshing this fucking thing hoping it would change.



I guess now is the time to shift focus to midterm elections. Without a strong majority in Congress, he's too incompetent to get anything passed.

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« Reply #9581 on: October 07, 2017, 12:35:58 PM »
This is sorta a form of the Imperial Presidency concept. Krugman's entire article talks about the Fed Chair. The Fed Chair is only as powerful as the rest of the system allows him or her to be, the Vice Chair is incredibly powerful structurally. And the divestment requirements are much higher than a White House position or whatever that got Icahn to flee earlier this year.

There hasn't been a full Fed Board of Governors since 2014. The permanent banks have more voting members than the Board despite the Board being spotted two seats. The (((Vice Chair))) is resigning in a week.

edit: okay, that quoted article or whatever mentions the vacancies, Krugman's (which i also had to go searching for...just saying...) is just about the chair, the chair, the chair, the chair
In practice, the chair drives fed policy though, right? Been that way for how long?

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« Reply #9582 on: October 07, 2017, 03:00:53 PM »
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There's a major possibility the current congress passes something extremely damaging that Trump will have no problems signing. They haven't gotten their ducks in a row yet, but don't underestimate their ability to come together on some kind of bill that fucks over abortion rights, free speech, middle America, etc.

They tried repealing Obamacare like twelve times in the last three months. Imagine them getting that worked up about something they even nominally agree on?

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« Reply #9583 on: October 07, 2017, 04:06:41 PM »
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« Reply #9584 on: October 07, 2017, 04:26:58 PM »
makings fools

We're all gonna get vaporized and my takeaway is that he talks like Popeye.
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« Reply #9586 on: October 07, 2017, 04:53:59 PM »
fuck him so much.  so many pointless deaths will be on his hands when all is said and done
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« Reply #9591 on: October 08, 2017, 03:59:56 PM »
Super clean hat

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« Reply #9592 on: October 08, 2017, 04:52:59 PM »
Honestly, I feel bad for the fans that stayed and had to watch the Colts and Niners play.

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« Reply #9593 on: October 08, 2017, 07:47:42 PM »
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President Donald Trump laid out his principles on immigration for Capitol Hill on Sunday  as lawmakers delve into a major battle over the future of hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants.

The three main White House immigration priorities, according to documents obtained by POLITICO, are to "ensure safe and lawful admissions; defend the safety and security of our country; and protect American workers and taxpayers."
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« Reply #9594 on: October 08, 2017, 07:50:20 PM »
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President Donald Trump laid out his principles on immigration for Capitol Hill on Sunday  as lawmakers delve into a major battle over the future of hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants.

The three main White House immigration priorities, according to documents obtained by POLITICO, are to "ensure safe and lawful admissions; defend the safety and security of our country; and protect American workers and taxpayers."
WOW! :american

He left out "Make America Great Again", I wonder how serious he really is about immigration.
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« Reply #9595 on: October 08, 2017, 08:44:34 PM »
#boba (Bring Obama Back Already)
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« Reply #9596 on: October 08, 2017, 10:54:42 PM »
#boba (Bring Obama Back Already)
#tea (Trump Exit Already)

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« Reply #9597 on: October 08, 2017, 11:51:08 PM »
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President Donald Trump laid out his principles on immigration for Capitol Hill on Sunday  as lawmakers delve into a major battle over the future of hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants.

The three main White House immigration priorities, according to documents obtained by POLITICO, are to "ensure safe and lawful admissions; defend the safety and security of our country; and protect American workers and taxpayers."
WOW! :american
Looking forward to Trump letting legislation get written without his input, talking shit about it if it polls badly, then blaming someone else if it fails.

This does have the added dimension of possible Dem votes. No idea how it's going to play out, other than being deeply, deeply stupid.

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« Reply #9598 on: October 09, 2017, 12:52:43 AM »
Odd display of badassery to basically pull a “Ashley hates Becky so we’re going to Becky’s birthday just to walk out when she blows out the candles” and then brag about it.  ???
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« Reply #9599 on: October 09, 2017, 01:19:22 AM »
It's very Trump.

The part I can't figure out is why Pence does all this shit, especially when the Trump people leak to the press how Trump treats him like a bitch. I mean, I get why he accepted being VP but it's not like he has to literally do anything he's asked to, he must have thought this was a good idea too?