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« Reply #9660 on: October 22, 2017, 11:38:03 AM »
So, Kelly blatantly lied about Rep. Wilson and now there's video to prove it:

On the facts, it’s exactly as she said. She never said she got the money for the building. She said she sponsored the bill to name it after the fallen FBI agents – at the request of James Comey, who thanked her when he spoke. She wasn’t even in Congress when the money was appropriated. It wouldn’t make any sense. The video is ten minutes long. It’s a very standard Member of Congress speech. She thanks other local members of both parties in attendance. She describes the process of naming the building. She says things you would expect a member of Congress to say about members of law enforcement, the FBI, valor and heroism. It’s all very … well, just normal. You can watch it here.

Slamming a congresswoman to discredit a grieving widow's story.  :trumps

it wasn't just any congresswoman. It was a black one, a black female who challenged the President over how he responded to the death of a black soldier under his watch.

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« Reply #9661 on: October 22, 2017, 06:15:48 PM »
back from my self-imposed message board exile
I should've made it a news break too, because holy hell is it a constant torrent of craziness out there
anyway
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« Reply #9662 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:47 PM »
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El Babua

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« Reply #9663 on: October 22, 2017, 07:16:12 PM »
Please find a new neoconservative to shill syph

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« Reply #9664 on: October 22, 2017, 07:32:34 PM »
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« Reply #9665 on: October 22, 2017, 08:38:09 PM »
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I should've made it a news break too, because holy hell is it a constant torrent of craziness out there
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« Reply #9666 on: October 22, 2017, 08:45:31 PM »
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benjipwns

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« Reply #9667 on: October 22, 2017, 09:41:08 PM »
it was nice of you guys not to include me in the list of garbage political posters for the newbies in the gaf thread :heart

even though i fill the thread with far more garbage content than anyone else combined and i'd join JayDubya in the same lonely corner edge of most any Nolan/two-axis political chart of site users

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« Reply #9668 on: October 22, 2017, 09:42:43 PM »
or it was a trap :ohhh

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« Reply #9669 on: October 22, 2017, 09:44:25 PM »
it was nice of you guys not to include me in the list of garbage political posters for the newbies in the gaf thread :heart

even though i fill the thread with far more garbage content than anyone else combined and i'd join JayDubya in the same lonely corner edge of most any Nolan/two-axis political chart of site users

I also compared you to the maker of The Last Night in that Creepy Stalker thread, since we're coming clean.
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« Reply #9670 on: October 22, 2017, 10:22:08 PM »
I'll assume for now it was a stinging defense of benji because much like him the worst of NeoGAF.com assumed I was one thing and ran with it rather than actually reading the content of my posts in context or any interviews.  :snob

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« Reply #9671 on: October 22, 2017, 10:23:48 PM »
even though i fill the thread with far more garbage content than anyone else combined and i'd join JayDubya in the same lonely corner edge of most any Nolan/two-axis political chart of site users
sure but jaydub is a reactionary disguised as a natural rights libert with his fingers plugged in his ears whereas you’re essentially just Robert nozick sniffing his dry erase markers

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« Reply #9672 on: October 22, 2017, 11:45:26 PM »
Hot take: JD's libertarianism is way crueler but is less contradictory than benji's.

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« Reply #9673 on: October 23, 2017, 12:06:10 AM »
Which makes Benji a lot more - cuddly? Yeah, let's go with that. Human, even.

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« Reply #9674 on: October 23, 2017, 12:14:00 AM »
less contradictory than benji's.
I think it's because I'm an incrementalist. But also, literally an anarchist (voluntaryist, whatever) so I'm already making one big leap to then make another leap to argue libertarian incrementalism versus you guys or socialists or whatever.

I also morally and ethically have too many "left" sympathies, so where ancaps tend to be like "fuck the state and fuck you" to every issue I find myself more often disagreeing with the methodology and not necessarily the end goal.

To create an example from the stuff that was being argued in the GAF thread that led to this list, I'm more apt to agree with you guys on the "ideal results" while agreeing more with JayDubya or even etoliet on the "methods" of the social studies warrior jeremiads. At the same time, because it's generally internet stuff that's private and almost never the government doing it to people I don't have a problem with it, hence the little kerfuffle a bit back where I think etoliate called something "doxxing" when it was already available information about the person or group or whatever, another private entity was just calling attention to it. Like with Evilore. I suppose in many respects that's probably because it's the reputation based form of justice any anarchist system is built upon. So I don't really find any cause to complain about it like etoliate or modernboxes and friends do.

I know I've argued with other libertarians about this, to where one was even arguing that it was within libertarian conception of rights and "night watchmen state powers" for the state to use the police or military protect the market value of your home which was very :confused

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« Reply #9675 on: October 23, 2017, 12:55:59 AM »
I'll assume for now it was a stinging defense of benji because much like him the worst of NeoGAF.com assumed I was one thing and ran with it rather than actually reading the content of my posts in context or any interviews.  :snob
except the one time I reposted what you claimed to be your entire political ideology in bullet point form you immediately disavowed
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« Reply #9676 on: October 23, 2017, 01:04:22 AM »
From Trump Jr's Twitter

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That's awesome, hadn't seen that one yet.  MAGA!

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« Reply #9677 on: October 23, 2017, 01:24:10 AM »
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Himu

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« Reply #9678 on: October 23, 2017, 01:30:01 AM »
Alternatively, benji's inclinations are not contradictory as libertarianism is traditionally a left ideology - juuuuust not in America. Thinking libertarianism in invalid with achieving the results leftists want to achieve is a mistake. Frankly, I see no reason to reject ones pursuit of liberty so long as it's not the ridiculous stateless kind.
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El Babua

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« Reply #9679 on: October 23, 2017, 01:38:00 AM »
I'm libertarian in the sense that workers should be free to consolidate and be as powerful as those employing them. Modern mainstream libertarianism fetishising private business and belief of the free market handling everything is ick.

But then again, I'm a noob to all the schools of thought so Benji will probably pwn me.

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« Reply #9680 on: October 23, 2017, 01:39:24 AM »
I'm libertarian in the sense that workers should be free to consolidate and be as powerful as those employing them. Modern mainstream libertarianism fetishising private business and belief of the free market handling everything is ick.

But then again, I'm a noob to all the schools of thought so Benji will probably pwn me.

Same on both counts. It goes nicely with my socialism. I think companies should be democratized and all employees should get a say.
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« Reply #9681 on: October 23, 2017, 01:41:15 AM »
How is that libertarian?

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« Reply #9682 on: October 23, 2017, 01:43:30 AM »
So I'm new here despite lurking.

Introduction:  banned from GAF 3 months ago (12 year account) for announcing I was a deplorable.  More specifically stating that punching nazis was not a good ideology on a board where EVERYONE right of Stalin was considered a Nazi.

I support Trump, believe in American patriotism and look forward to engaging in debates with all of you.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.

Although I despise his communist politics, I think Bernie as a populist, had the best chance against Trump and the Democrat elite blew it backing Hillary.

Thankfully we have the best possible outcome, the god-emperor Trump, a man of the people supporting American Patriotism, the ideology that made America what it is today.


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« Reply #9683 on: October 23, 2017, 01:43:44 AM »

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« Reply #9684 on: October 23, 2017, 01:44:57 AM »
From Trump Jr's Twitter

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why does he have a beard

It's a nice touch.  The Right has the best memes without a shadow of a doubt.

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« Reply #9685 on: October 23, 2017, 01:46:10 AM »
How is that libertarian?

Libertarian is merely the idea that liberty should be maximized. You can think of it in a way of conservative thinking, where this means private rights matter more than ____, or it could social based. As in, you think abortions are bad with exceptions but still feel that it is a woman (or couples) liberty to choose. So in the previous example, having a say in your workplace allows basic liberty. For example, a company where the CEO fucks up, and they fire 200k people while the CEO gets a nice, fat check. Liberty, as per socialism, should allow that company to be democratized so that all within the company can affect the results rather than just an elite few.
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« Reply #9686 on: October 23, 2017, 01:47:38 AM »
except the one time I reposted what you claimed to be your entire political ideology in bullet point form you immediately disavowed
That was my political platform, not my ideology.

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« Reply #9687 on: October 23, 2017, 01:47:58 AM »
I'm libertarian in the sense that workers should be free to consolidate and be as powerful as those employing them. Modern mainstream libertarianism fetishising private business and belief of the free market handling everything is ick.

But then again, I'm a noob to all the schools of thought so Benji will probably pwn me.

Do you pay your employees a living wage as a drug kingpin?

I use a staffing company. >_>

How is that libertarian?

I think the freedom to empower one's labor logically works with the idea of truly free markets, rather than ones dictated by a few powerful entities.

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« Reply #9688 on: October 23, 2017, 01:51:11 AM »
I'm libertarian in the sense that workers should be free to consolidate and be as powerful as those employing them. Modern mainstream libertarianism fetishising private business and belief of the free market handling everything is ick.

But then again, I'm a noob to all the schools of thought so Benji will probably pwn me.

Do you pay your employees a living wage as a drug kingpin?

I use a staffing company. >_>

How is that libertarian?

I think the freedom to empower one's labor logically works with the idea of truly free markets, rather than ones dictated by a few powerful entities.

Libertarianism is based on the idea that personal liberty is the most essential value. So if someone wants to start a company with whatever power structure they see fit are free to do so. Not mandated to have a democratic company by a governing body.

benjipwns

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« Reply #9689 on: October 23, 2017, 01:51:12 AM »
benji is an animal. Just a dog chasing cars.
I always thought that was the only truly well written diatribe of the Joker's in the film. And people still take it on face value. When his entire set of actions throughout the movie are exactly the opposite of what he explains to Dent. In fact, he's explaining to Dent exactly how he makes the endless and exactive planning of the entire film look like the unrelenting chaos of a single madman.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.
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« Reply #9691 on: October 23, 2017, 01:55:27 AM »
I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.
Personally, I'm still sore over how Romney rigged the 2012 primaries against Ron Paul.

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« Reply #9692 on: October 23, 2017, 01:58:32 AM »
benji is an animal. Just a dog chasing cars.
I always thought that was the only truly well written diatribe of the Joker's in the film. And people still take it on face value. When his entire set of actions throughout the movie are exactly the opposite of what he explains to Dent. In fact, he's explaining to Dent exactly how he makes the endless and exactive planning of the entire film look like the unrelenting chaos of a single madman.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.
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I like the cut of your jibe.  Feels like old school GAF poli threads.

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« Reply #9693 on: October 23, 2017, 02:03:02 AM »
Babua:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

I've read through this before, and I am coming to find myself coming close to something like that.

I think the current structure holding up our economy, ie wage stagnation, massive debt just to own a house/car blowing up to what it has - combined with the disappearing of traditional jobs - all the while those still providing those jobs fucking with their workers will all lead to very bad things. Like if you guys think Trump is bad, I'm scared the next president after whatever milquetoast dem we get will be even worse. And there will be a very big change afterwards.

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« Reply #9694 on: October 23, 2017, 02:07:07 AM »
I find the state important enough to keep around as a fall back.
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« Reply #9695 on: October 23, 2017, 02:07:32 AM »
So I'm new here despite lurking.

Introduction:  banned from GAF 3 months ago (12 year account) for announcing I was a deplorable.  More specifically stating that punching nazis was not a good ideology on a board where EVERYONE right of Stalin was considered a Nazi.

I support Trump, believe in American patriotism and look forward to engaging in debates with all of you.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.

Although I despise his communist politics, I think Bernie as a populist, had the best chance against Trump and the Democrat elite blew it backing Hillary.

Thankfully we have the best possible outcome, the god-emperor Trump, a man of the people supporting American Patriotism, the ideology that made America what it is today.

Heres my first question, why do I always read the posts of Trumpkins and either come away thinking this person is in it for the elaborate troll or are just really not that bright?



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« Reply #9696 on: October 23, 2017, 02:08:22 AM »
I'm libertarian in the sense that workers should be free to consolidate and be as powerful as those employing them. Modern mainstream libertarianism fetishising private business and belief of the free market handling everything is ick.

But then again, I'm a noob to all the schools of thought so Benji will probably pwn me.
Libertarians are a distrustful and cynical sort, but the traditional "left" to "center" libertarian wing (with reason as arguably the most "centrist" libertarian publication) only opposes state advantages granted to unions especially when it creates a monopoly or monosopy in employment, this tends to lead to reactive and negative feelings against unions in general, but if you pin them down (they're wimps, which is why they don't oppose gays and darkies like real libertarians) they'll concede unions in the private sector.

Now, in the United States, this often forms into a debate of how much the state is putting its finger on one side of the scale or not in favor of unions. Much like debates over energy subsidies descend into debates over who is getting the most and how.

It's the subsidies/protections/etc. from the state that are seen as going against the free market, not employees voluntarily pooling their labor to negotiate or even strike.

Though, the standard libertarian view is far more one of "then employers can just fire em and hire non-strikers" than it is willing to factor in the power relations dynamic beyond the legal ones. I, personally, vary depending on the industry and in some I just think pursuing organized labor is more silly than anything like frickin video games which GAF saw as the solution to the industry's cycles. The unbalanced power dynamic there may be being exploited by the employers often but one reason they have it is because well, look at the people who left Infinity Ward to form Respawn and what EA offered them, or Activision's treatment of Bungie.

But my view on any of this is probably colored because every union I've been forced to, or happened to, join has been dogshit and run by the worst type of people. They did little more than funnel dues to the top, then shit on the workers they were negotiating for. And the one I'm pretty sure they manipulated their elections because there were African dictator style victories happening. (Years later, after I had long since left, they used another larger union to help them push out that union through a classic union war that included good ol tire slashing.)

Though this is still my favorite worst union I've found out about but mainly because of the smug lawyer regulator dude:

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« Reply #9697 on: October 23, 2017, 02:11:44 AM »
The state isn't worth trusting, but it's still worth having if that makes sense. I think the founding fathers were right to make the state a thing but to distrust it as much as possible. Good call, especially if there's anything the past year has taught us.
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« Reply #9698 on: October 23, 2017, 02:13:17 AM »
I like the cut of your jibe.  Feels like old school GAF poli threads.
You may know me from my attempts to get the new ones running the place to lighten the fuck up over the last five years.

Also their complete bafflement that anyone could not only oppose the state, but oppose the Democratic Party as a corporate entity and also oppose the Republican Party as a corporate entity. Let alone anything to do with their stupid polling, horserace, or vote counting fetishes.

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« Reply #9699 on: October 23, 2017, 02:21:22 AM »
I like the cut of your jibe.  Feels like old school GAF poli threads.
You may know me from my attempts to get the new ones running the place to lighten the fuck up over the last five years.

Also their complete bafflement that anyone could not only oppose the state, but oppose the Democratic Party as a corporate entity and also oppose the Republican Party as a corporate entity. Let alone anything to do with their stupid polling, horserace, or vote counting fetishes.

Truth I recognize your username (I think) ... you were on GAF ?

Regardless I appreciate the welcome :)

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« Reply #9700 on: October 23, 2017, 02:24:37 AM »
So I'm new here despite lurking.

Introduction:  banned from GAF 3 months ago (12 year account) for announcing I was a deplorable.  More specifically stating that punching nazis was not a good ideology on a board where EVERYONE right of Stalin was considered a Nazi.

I support Trump, believe in American patriotism and look forward to engaging in debates with all of you.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.

Although I despise his communist politics, I think Bernie as a populist, had the best chance against Trump and the Democrat elite blew it backing Hillary.

Thankfully we have the best possible outcome, the god-emperor Trump, a man of the people supporting American Patriotism, the ideology that made America what it is today.

Heres my first question, why do I always read the posts of Trumpkins and either come away thinking this person is in it for the elaborate troll or are just really not that bright?

Your lack of intelligence I guess.  Commies tend to disregard differentiating opinions by shaming.   I gather that doesn't work here so you'll have to try better than ad hominem attacks.

MAGA

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« Reply #9701 on: October 23, 2017, 02:24:55 AM »
The state isn't worth trusting, but it's still worth having if that makes sense. I think the founding fathers were right to make the state a thing but to distrust it as much as possible. Good call, especially if there's anything the past year has taught us.
I've always enjoyed the cries of how our Constitution makes it hard for the state to do anything quickly. And then the same people bitch about Bush/Obama/Trump proposing things. I've seen it from people of both parties. Even now you have conservatives attacking the GOP because the Senate is a tough body to wrestle into submission to pass anything, let alone Trump's policies. And these same fucks were glad about the minority undermining Harry Reid's (let alone Obama's) power at every turn.

I know it's standard partisan thinking, but these are people who claim to be Constitutional Conservatives and shit.

Regarding the state, and I don't mean to make any kind of argument here to try and convince anyone I long ago abandoned that nonsense or whatever but simply relate how I tried to make the argument to PoliGAF that their state glorification is their own issue, not mine, because otherwise International Relations and foreign policy doesn't make any sense despite their regular discourse on how much of experts they are in it. IR (no PD) is effectively the study of a closed anarchic experiment. One in which states come and go regularly, especially on historical time tables. And the power of each state authority changes on a whim. The last century plus of Russia's (let alone Eastern Europe) history alone should be enough evidence for even state worshipers to realize they are, in theory, nothing but corporations we treat as special just because.

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« Reply #9702 on: October 23, 2017, 02:28:56 AM »
The state isn't worth trusting, but it's still worth having if that makes sense. I think the founding fathers were right to make the state a thing but to distrust it as much as possible. Good call, especially if there's anything the past year has taught us.
I've always enjoyed the cries of how our Constitution makes it hard for the state to do anything quickly. And then the same people bitch about Bush/Obama/Trump proposing things. I've seen it from people of both parties. Even now you have conservatives attacking the GOP because the Senate is a tough body to wrestle into submission to pass anything, let alone Trump's policies. And these same fucks were glad about the minority undermining Harry Reid's (let alone Obama's) power at every turn.

I know it's standard partisan thinking, but these are people who claim to be Constitutional Conservatives and shit.

Regarding the state, and I don't mean to make any kind of argument here to try and convince anyone I long ago abandoned that nonsense or whatever but simply relate how I tried to make the argument to PoliGAF that their state glorification is their own issue, not mine, because otherwise International Relations and foreign policy doesn't make any sense despite their regular discourse on how much of experts they are in it. IR (no PD) is effectively the study of a closed anarchic experiment. One in which states come and go regularly, especially on historical time tables. And the power of each state authority changes on a whim. The last century plus of Russia's (let alone Eastern Europe) history alone should be enough evidence for even state worshipers to realize they are, in theory, nothing but corporations we treat as special just because.

Very true.  Which is why it's so important to support Trumps brand of American Patriotism.  While governments come and go the decisions they make can affect decades of governance via appointments to the Supreme Court.

The next 7 and a half years is our chance to ensure American Patriotism is enshrined via the Supreme Court, to hold the nation to the ideology it was founded on ... namely American Exceptionalism.

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« Reply #9703 on: October 23, 2017, 02:34:18 AM »
The state isn't worth trusting, but it's still worth having if that makes sense. I think the founding fathers were right to make the state a thing but to distrust it as much as possible. Good call, especially if there's anything the past year has taught us.
I've always enjoyed the cries of how our Constitution makes it hard for the state to do anything quickly. And then the same people bitch about Bush/Obama/Trump proposing things. I've seen it from people of both parties. Even now you have conservatives attacking the GOP because the Senate is a tough body to wrestle into submission to pass anything, let alone Trump's policies. And these same fucks were glad about the minority undermining Harry Reid's (let alone Obama's) power at every turn.

I know it's standard partisan thinking, but these are people who claim to be Constitutional Conservatives and shit.

Regarding the state, and I don't mean to make any kind of argument here to try and convince anyone I long ago abandoned that nonsense or whatever but simply relate how I tried to make the argument to PoliGAF that their state glorification is their own issue, not mine, because otherwise International Relations and foreign policy doesn't make any sense despite their regular discourse on how much of experts they are in it. IR (no PD) is effectively the study of a closed anarchic experiment. One in which states come and go regularly, especially on historical time tables. And the power of each state authority changes on a whim. The last century plus of Russia's (let alone Eastern Europe) history alone should be enough evidence for even state worshipers to realize they are, in theory, nothing but corporations we treat as special just because.

This year and trump not being able to entirely turn the country into dust has given me brand new appreciation for our founding fathers and the constitution  :salute in a weird turn of events I've become more patriotic.
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« Reply #9704 on: October 23, 2017, 02:34:27 AM »
Babua:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

I've read through this before, and I am coming to find myself coming close to something like that.

I think the current structure holding up our economy, ie wage stagnation, massive debt just to own a house/car blowing up to what it has - combined with the disappearing of traditional jobs - all the while those still providing those jobs fucking with their workers will all lead to very bad things. Like if you guys think Trump is bad, I'm scared the next president after whatever milquetoast dem we get will be even worse. And there will be a very big change afterwards.

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I know this isn't really the community for it, but one of the most fascinating economic papers I have come across recently talks about this dynamic and how it has affected our economy, why, and what can be be done about it broadly speaking.

http://necsi.edu/research/economics/econunivers.pdf

That an overflow of money into the investments and returns loop of the economy(in the form of tax cuts, corporate welfare, benefits cuts, monetary policy etc.) has put it further and further out of balance with the consumption and wages loop of the economy and the result is that it leads the economy to hitting a wall every 10 years and we get a recession. Which in response, monetary policy does most of the heavy lifting and attempts to rectify this by reducing interest rates because its the only lever it has, which helps us ease out but doesn't prevent us from running back into the wall again due to the underlying structural imbalance. They lay the solution at fiscal polciies that help better balance those two things, which plays into the Democrat's playbook, but I like you wonder how another wall hit would actually manifest itself? We aren't ever going to end up like a communist state because improved knowledge and cultural values won't allow it, but I actually think you are more likely to get worse forms of Trumpism in the wakes of those long-term trends unless someone comes along and really nails the fiscal policy. Because as the world over has shown, when the going gets tough economically, the right-wing populism seems to win the day fairly regularly these days. And right-wing politics really does not have a good answer to any of these underlying structural problems from a policy perspective right now. They want to keep funneling money into the investments loop with tax cuts, benefits cuts, labor protection cuts, and corporate welfare, and that is only going to widen that imbalance, no matter how many times you punctuate those policies with MAGA cheers and Pepe memes. It's like an addict going to the same poison that is slowly killing them.
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« Reply #9705 on: October 23, 2017, 02:43:25 AM »
The state isn't worth trusting, but it's still worth having if that makes sense. I think the founding fathers were right to make the state a thing but to distrust it as much as possible. Good call, especially if there's anything the past year has taught us.
I've always enjoyed the cries of how our Constitution makes it hard for the state to do anything quickly. And then the same people bitch about Bush/Obama/Trump proposing things. I've seen it from people of both parties. Even now you have conservatives attacking the GOP because the Senate is a tough body to wrestle into submission to pass anything, let alone Trump's policies. And these same fucks were glad about the minority undermining Harry Reid's (let alone Obama's) power at every turn.

I know it's standard partisan thinking, but these are people who claim to be Constitutional Conservatives and shit.



the ironic thing in this whole mess, is that beneath the pageantry, beneath the paralysis, a lot of the GOP congressional fuckery that has slowly eroded the norms of the process long-term looks to benefit liberals and open the door to break down some of those roadblocks. For good or bad depending on your perspective.

It's not easy to repeal and replace the ACA through reconciliation, but its not that hard to pass a pretty sweeping expansion of the ACA bordering on single-payer through it using the framework in place and the broken down norms the Republicans are leaving in their wake.


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« Reply #9707 on: October 23, 2017, 02:52:26 AM »
So I'm new here despite lurking.

Introduction:  banned from GAF 3 months ago (12 year account) for announcing I was a deplorable.  More specifically stating that punching nazis was not a good ideology on a board where EVERYONE right of Stalin was considered a Nazi.

I support Trump, believe in American patriotism and look forward to engaging in debates with all of you.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.

Although I despise his communist politics, I think Bernie as a populist, had the best chance against Trump and the Democrat elite blew it backing Hillary.

Thankfully we have the best possible outcome, the god-emperor Trump, a man of the people supporting American Patriotism, the ideology that made America what it is today.

Heres my first question, why do I always read the posts of Trumpkins and either come away thinking this person is in it for the elaborate troll or are just really not that bright?

Your lack of intelligence I guess.  Commies tend to disregard differentiating opinions by shaming.   I gather that doesn't work here so you'll have to try better than ad hominem attacks.

MAGA

Not only commies. TACOS

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« Reply #9708 on: October 23, 2017, 03:00:05 AM »
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/922264771260571649
Then there were those whose Admiral dad let them fly planes into power lines or ships. :doge

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« Reply #9709 on: October 23, 2017, 03:04:54 AM »
So I'm new here despite lurking.

Introduction:  banned from GAF 3 months ago (12 year account) for announcing I was a deplorable.  More specifically stating that punching nazis was not a good ideology on a board where EVERYONE right of Stalin was considered a Nazi.

I support Trump, believe in American patriotism and look forward to engaging in debates with all of you.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.

Although I despise his communist politics, I think Bernie as a populist, had the best chance against Trump and the Democrat elite blew it backing Hillary.

Thankfully we have the best possible outcome, the god-emperor Trump, a man of the people supporting American Patriotism, the ideology that made America what it is today.

Heres my first question, why do I always read the posts of Trumpkins and either come away thinking this person is in it for the elaborate troll or are just really not that bright?

Your lack of intelligence I guess.   Commies tend to disregard differentiating opinions by shaming.   I gather that doesn't work here so you'll have to try better than ad hominem attacks.

MAGA

Nah, we love our insults around here.

I thought you said you wanted a forum where people had thicker skin?  :trumps

You are gonna melt around here little snowflake if what I said got you all triggered you are triple spacing sentences and going all GAF calling anyone to the political side of you the harshest pejorative you can summon.


Don't think the proliferation of calling out left-wing shit-posting in the other thread excludes you righties from getting ribbed on for your nonsense.



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« Reply #9710 on: October 23, 2017, 03:05:55 AM »
So I'm new here despite lurking.

Introduction:  banned from GAF 3 months ago (12 year account) for announcing I was a deplorable.  More specifically stating that punching nazis was not a good ideology on a board where EVERYONE right of Stalin was considered a Nazi.

I support Trump, believe in American patriotism and look forward to engaging in debates with all of you.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.

Although I despise his communist politics, I think Bernie as a populist, had the best chance against Trump and the Democrat elite blew it backing Hillary.

Thankfully we have the best possible outcome, the god-emperor Trump, a man of the people supporting American Patriotism, the ideology that made America what it is today.

Heres my first question, why do I always read the posts of Trumpkins and either come away thinking this person is in it for the elaborate troll or are just really not that bright?

Your lack of intelligence I guess.   Commies tend to disregard differentiating opinions by shaming.   I gather that doesn't work here so you'll have to try better than ad hominem attacks.

MAGA

Nah, we love our insults around here.

I thought you said you wanted a forum where people had thicker skin?  :trumps

You are gonna melt around here little snowflake if what I said got you all triggered you are triple spacing sentences and going all GAF calling anyone to the political side of you the harshest pejorative you can summon.


Don't think the proliferation of calling out left-wing shit-posting in the other thread excludes you righties from getting ribbed on for your nonsense.

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« Reply #9711 on: October 23, 2017, 03:06:40 AM »
So I'm new here despite lurking.

Introduction:  banned from GAF 3 months ago (12 year account) for announcing I was a deplorable.  More specifically stating that punching nazis was not a good ideology on a board where EVERYONE right of Stalin was considered a Nazi.

I support Trump, believe in American patriotism and look forward to engaging in debates with all of you.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.

Although I despise his communist politics, I think Bernie as a populist, had the best chance against Trump and the Democrat elite blew it backing Hillary.

Thankfully we have the best possible outcome, the god-emperor Trump, a man of the people supporting American Patriotism, the ideology that made America what it is today.

Heres my first question, why do I always read the posts of Trumpkins and either come away thinking this person is in it for the elaborate troll or are just really not that bright?

Your lack of intelligence I guess.   Commies tend to disregard differentiating opinions by shaming.   I gather that doesn't work here so you'll have to try better than ad hominem attacks.

MAGA

Nah, we love our insults around here.

I thought you said you wanted a forum where people had thicker skin?  :trumps

You are gonna melt around here little snowflake if what I said got you all triggered you are triple spacing sentences and going all GAF calling anyone to the political side of you the harshest pejorative you can summon.


Don't think the proliferation of calling out left-wing shit-posting in the other thread excludes you righties from getting ribbed on for your nonsense.

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Well obviously. Just throwing a little back his way by playing on his level.

Boredfrom

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« Reply #9712 on: October 23, 2017, 03:10:04 AM »
The post with the American Exceptionalism stuff make it to obvious  :goty2

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« Reply #9713 on: October 23, 2017, 03:16:25 AM »
So I'm new here despite lurking.

Introduction:  banned from GAF 3 months ago (12 year account) for announcing I was a deplorable.  More specifically stating that punching nazis was not a good ideology on a board where EVERYONE right of Stalin was considered a Nazi.

I support Trump, believe in American patriotism and look forward to engaging in debates with all of you.

I'm wondering, does the poli thread here lean more Bernie bros or Hillary?  I've read up a bit and gathered you guys debate a little more than GAF the fallout of Bernie getting the shaft.

Although I despise his communist politics, I think Bernie as a populist, had the best chance against Trump and the Democrat elite blew it backing Hillary.

Thankfully we have the best possible outcome, the god-emperor Trump, a man of the people supporting American Patriotism, the ideology that made America what it is today.

Heres my first question, why do I always read the posts of Trumpkins and either come away thinking this person is in it for the elaborate troll or are just really not that bright?

Your lack of intelligence I guess.   Commies tend to disregard differentiating opinions by shaming.   I gather that doesn't work here so you'll have to try better than ad hominem attacks.

MAGA

Nah, we love our insults around here.

I thought you said you wanted a forum where people had thicker skin?  :trumps

You are gonna melt around here little snowflake if what I said got you all triggered you are triple spacing sentences and going all GAF calling anyone to the political side of you the harshest pejorative you can summon.


Don't think the proliferation of calling out left-wing shit-posting in the other thread excludes you righties from getting ribbed on for your nonsense.

I'm ready to go and you are too.  That alone makes this place a better place than GAF.   And I respect your right to believe what you want.  I also am happy that we can trash talk each other without worrying about bans like GAF.

GAME ON look forward to chatting with you.

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« Reply #9714 on: October 23, 2017, 03:26:50 AM »
The post with the American Exceptionalism stuff make it to obvious  :goty2
That was the best one though, he drug out the punchline for those who had already figured it out.

That's what I always tried to do, and moblin doubted it as a policy, but then he saw how effective it was.

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« Reply #9715 on: October 23, 2017, 03:49:22 AM »
What's wrong with American Exceptionslism?  :(


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« Reply #9717 on: October 23, 2017, 05:15:51 AM »
What's wrong with American Exceptionslism?  :(

Nothing, apart from being a fairly dumb concept.

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« Reply #9718 on: October 23, 2017, 05:26:28 AM »
What's wrong with American Exceptionslism?  :(

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« Reply #9719 on: October 23, 2017, 05:36:43 AM »
What's wrong with American Exceptionslism?  :(

IDK, ask Trumpkins pre-November 2016. I seem to distinctly remember them having quite a few reasons(and hats to help drive it home) about why America was not so great.
 :trumps