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« Reply #4560 on: March 31, 2017, 02:02:39 AM »
https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/847684690110697472
How trustworthy/viable do you folks consider Ashley? :doge
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« Reply #4561 on: March 31, 2017, 02:13:20 AM »
i'd trust it more if the source was a tweetstorm instead of a "report"

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« Reply #4562 on: March 31, 2017, 02:13:31 AM »
https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/847684690110697472
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« Reply #4563 on: March 31, 2017, 02:18:17 AM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326596-gop-rep-trump-not-off-to-a-great-start-on-benghazi-documents
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“A quick word about the Trump administration: We are not off to a great start,” Chaffetz said during a broadcasted discussion with Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

Chaffetz said then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton fought to withhold information that related to the Benghazi investigation, adding that the investigation is “still not done” because of the State Department’s reluctance to provide his committee with the necessary information. 

But Chaffetz also expressed frustration at the Trump administration for not providing his committee with documents related to the Benghazi investigation. He said President Trump’s grace period for filling top positions and working with his committee will expire next month.

“The documentation, subpoenas and letters still have not been fulfilled. And I buy the idea that there should be some time to get new people in place, but as we turn the corner into April, there’s a huge attitude adjustment that is happening in the Oversight Committee,” Chaffetz said.
Great, we're never going to get to the bottom of this!

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« Reply #4564 on: March 31, 2017, 02:44:35 AM »
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« Reply #4566 on: March 31, 2017, 03:37:14 AM »
maybe he's offering to testify against his former boss, Barack HUSSEIN Obama

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« Reply #4567 on: March 31, 2017, 04:07:04 AM »
Is that Nkechi Amare Diallo on the left?

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« Reply #4568 on: March 31, 2017, 04:12:21 AM »
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On April 30, 2014, Flynn announced his retirement effective later that year, about a year earlier than he had been scheduled to leave his position. He was reportedly effectively forced out of the DIA after clashing with superiors over his allegedly chaotic management style and vision for the agency. In a private e-mail that was leaked online, Colin Powell said that he had heard in the DIA (apparently from later DIA director Vincent R. Stewart) that Flynn got fired because he was "abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc." According to The New York Times, Flynn exhibited a loose relationship with facts, leading his subordinates to refer to Flynn's repeated dubious assertions as "Flynn facts".
Who wouldn't rush to give this guy unconditional immunity?

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« Reply #4569 on: March 31, 2017, 08:42:19 AM »
https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/847684690110697472
How trustworthy/viable do you folks consider Ashley? :doge
It could just be one of those "You wont work with me so I'm taking my ball home!" tactics.
Also it allows him to make the most out of his failures. "I'm so good, you don't deserve me!"
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« Reply #4570 on: March 31, 2017, 10:12:27 AM »
Is that Nkechi Amare Diallo on the left?

I thought it was Rachel Maddow but maybe it's an after and before Dolezal.
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« Reply #4571 on: March 31, 2017, 10:14:42 AM »
https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/847684690110697472
How trustworthy/viable do you folks consider Ashley? :doge

This is the wow if truest wow if true I have ever seen.
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« Reply #4572 on: March 31, 2017, 10:32:19 AM »
Maddow doesn't identify as 'sock puppet' just sock.  :doge
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« Reply #4573 on: March 31, 2017, 12:44:47 PM »
My first thought about Flynn was that hearing about it publicly probably isn't a great sign. I don't see how, if he were serious about testifying, it benefits either party for it to become public before they've agreed to anything, but hey, what the fuck do I know? Saw floating around today that has a similar sentiment, though;

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The fact that Flynn and his lawyer have made his offer publicly suggests that he has nothing good to give the prosecutors (either because he cannot incriminate others or is unwilling to do so). If he had something good, Flynn and his lawyer would approach the prosecutors quietly, go through the proffer process in confidence, and reach a deal. Why? Because prosecutors have an interest in keeping their investigation secret, and Flynn’s lawyer knows that. The last thing Flynn’s lawyer would do if he thought he had the goods would be to go public, because that would potentially compromise the criminal inquiry and would certainly irritate the prosecutors, the very people Flynn’s lawyer would be trying to win over.

https://www.justsecurity.org/39426/explainer-flynns-request-immunity

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« Reply #4574 on: March 31, 2017, 01:03:48 PM »
My hope is that it indicates that he's desperate for a deal.

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« Reply #4575 on: March 31, 2017, 01:05:41 PM »
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On April 30, 2014, Flynn announced his retirement effective later that year, about a year earlier than he had been scheduled to leave his position. He was reportedly effectively forced out of the DIA after clashing with superiors over his allegedly chaotic management style and vision for the agency. In a private e-mail that was leaked online, Colin Powell said that he had heard in the DIA (apparently from later DIA director Vincent R. Stewart) that Flynn got fired because he was "abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc." According to The New York Times, Flynn exhibited a loose relationship with facts, leading his subordinates to refer to Flynn's repeated dubious assertions as "Flynn facts".
Who wouldn't rush to give this guy unconditional immunity?

Who wouldn't rush to appoint this guy as their National Security Adviser?

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« Reply #4576 on: March 31, 2017, 01:18:53 PM »
The chairperson of the most qualified candidate in history's presidential campaign entered his Google credentials to a phishing site and an IT employee forgot that illegitimate and legitimate mean different things and thus couldn't prevent this colossal blunder. You really cannot understate how profoundly stupid D.C. types are at the moment, especially when it comes to the circle of trust.

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« Reply #4577 on: April 01, 2017, 12:41:04 PM »
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« Reply #4578 on: April 01, 2017, 01:08:06 PM »


 :lol these two :rofl

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« Reply #4579 on: April 01, 2017, 02:42:58 PM »
Did Matt Drudge eat Frank Luntz or something? Yikes.
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« Reply #4580 on: April 01, 2017, 05:05:36 PM »
My hope is that it indicates that he's desperate for a deal.

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« Reply #4581 on: April 02, 2017, 03:52:38 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/01/judge-rejects-trump-defense-claim-incited-violence-protesters

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I hope this bites him in the ass so hard. I hope this gets more lawsuits coming against him. All that bullshit he started, talking about roughing up protesters — that shit will not stand.

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« Reply #4582 on: April 03, 2017, 12:29:19 PM »
About the St. Petersburg bombing.  ISIS or separatists?

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« Reply #4583 on: April 03, 2017, 01:31:04 PM »
About the St. Petersburg bombing.  ISIS or separatists?

Why not both?
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« Reply #4584 on: April 03, 2017, 02:21:32 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2017/apr/03/the-destruction-of-hillary-clinton-sexism-sanders-and-the-millennial-feminists
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The destruction of Hillary Clinton: sexism, Sanders and the millennial feminists
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Any rift between feminist generations, however, would almost certainly have been healed by Donald Trump’s outrageous comments and behavior, had younger progressives not become bonded, during the primary, to a Democratic male hero who both supported the issues they were most passionate about and offered young women independence from the stale and, in their view, defunct feminist past. These young women weren’t going to rush to order a plastic “woman card” for a candidate that had been portrayed by their hero as a hack of the establishment. They didn’t believe in sisterhood– a relic of a time when, as they had been told (often in women’s studies courses) privileged, white feminists clasped hands in imagined gender solidarity, ignoring racial injustice and the problems of the working class.

They didn’t want to be dealt any cards at a bridge game organised by Gloria Steinem or Madeleine Albright – or Hillary Clinton. They wanted Bernie Sanders.
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I know I will make some of my younger feminist colleagues (and other left leaners) furious, which was distressing to me then, and still is.

These people, in so many ways, are my natural colleagues, and most are as upset as I am by Trump’s victory. But they played a big role in the thin edge (not a landslide, as Trump would have us believe) that gave Trump the election. For while Trump supporters hooted and cheered for their candidate, forgiving him every lie, every crime, every bit of disgusting behaviour, too many young Democrats made it very clear (in newspaper and internet interviews, in polls, and in the mainstream media) that they were only voting for Hillary Clinton as the lesser of two evils, “holding their noses”, tears still streaming down their faces over the primary defeat of the person they felt truly deserved their votes. Some didn’t vote at all. And as much as I am in agreement with many of his ideas, Bernie Sanders splintered and ultimately sabotaged the Democratic party – not because he chose to run against Hillary Clinton, but because of how he ran against her.

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« Reply #4585 on: April 03, 2017, 02:28:21 PM »
America didn't "YASSS Queen!!" enough :doge
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« Reply #4586 on: April 03, 2017, 02:32:50 PM »
"Why can't Democratic voters be Republican voters? Also, have you heard about that made up stuff in campus safe spaces like the racial and socioeconomic gaps in liberal feminism? Sad!"

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« Reply #4587 on: April 03, 2017, 02:37:38 PM »
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Initially, I liked Bernie Sanders a lot, and identified with him. In terms of class, geography, and religion, I actually have much more in common with him than I do with Hillary Clinton, whose background was solidly middle class, Methodist, and Midwestern. Sanders and I share the same immigrant, working-class Jewish roots. The neighborhood he grew up in in Brooklyn looked very much like the one I’d grown up in in Newark, New Jersey. Although Sanders was a few years older than me, we had belonged to the same leftwing groups – Sanders while in college, I while in high school. We even went to the same college – University of Chicago –and I sometimes wondered whether I’d seen him on campus when I was a freshman and he a senior. As his campaign took off, and despite my support for Hillary, it made me smile to hear someone who sounded like he could have been a relative deliver speeches to mass audiences.

Sanders’s branding of Hillary as establishment, however, seemed vastly unjust and corrosively divisive to me, especially when delivered to a generation that knew very little about her beyond what Bernie told them.

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« Reply #4588 on: April 03, 2017, 03:34:20 PM »
It's all Bernie's fault. His meme's weren't as strong as Trumps.
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« Reply #4589 on: April 03, 2017, 03:45:47 PM »
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Initially, I liked Bernie Sanders a lot, and identified with him. In terms of class, geography, and religion, I actually have much more in common with him than I do with Hillary Clinton, whose background was solidly middle class, Methodist, and Midwestern. Sanders and I share the same immigrant, working-class Jewish roots. The neighborhood he grew up in in Brooklyn looked very much like the one I’d grown up in in Newark, New Jersey. Although Sanders was a few years older than me, we had belonged to the same leftwing groups – Sanders while in college, I while in high school. We even went to the same college – University of Chicago –and I sometimes wondered whether I’d seen him on campus when I was a freshman and he a senior. As his campaign took off, and despite my support for Hillary, it made me smile to hear someone who sounded like he could have been a relative deliver speeches to mass audiences.

Sanders’s branding of Hillary as establishment, however, seemed vastly unjust and corrosively divisive to me, especially when delivered to a generation that knew very little about her beyond what Bernie told them.
In other words:
"I like Bernie, where he came from, what he did, what his ideas are and the message he delivered. But Hillary had an image problem and instead of blaming an inept campaign team that couldn't apparently deal with the fact that *gasp* other people might be running in the election. I'm blaming his supporters."

I swear, do these people step outside their bubble long enough to read what they wrote?
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« Reply #4591 on: April 03, 2017, 04:19:23 PM »
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« Reply #4592 on: April 03, 2017, 04:24:16 PM »
Fuck Bernie and Hillary.
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« Reply #4593 on: April 03, 2017, 04:41:34 PM »

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If I'd spent all of October 2004 crying about Howard Dean, you would have called me a fucking asshole who needed to sit the fuck down, because we have a winnable election coming up, and it's critical that Kerry defeats Bush.
But they still blew that election against W without a ultra-leftist spoiler ???
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« Reply #4595 on: April 03, 2017, 04:57:06 PM »
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Initially, I liked Bernie Sanders a lot, and identified with him. In terms of class, geography, and religion, I actually have much more in common with him than I do with Hillary Clinton, whose background was solidly middle class, Methodist, and Midwestern. Sanders and I share the same immigrant, working-class Jewish roots. The neighborhood he grew up in in Brooklyn looked very much like the one I’d grown up in in Newark, New Jersey. Although Sanders was a few years older than me, we had belonged to the same leftwing groups – Sanders while in college, I while in high school. We even went to the same college – University of Chicago –and I sometimes wondered whether I’d seen him on campus when I was a freshman and he a senior. As his campaign took off, and despite my support for Hillary, it made me smile to hear someone who sounded like he could have been a relative deliver speeches to mass audiences.

Sanders’s branding of Hillary as establishment, however, seemed vastly unjust and corrosively divisive to me, especially when delivered to a generation that knew very little about her beyond what Bernie told them.
In other words:
"I like Bernie, where he came from, what he did, what his ideas are and the message he delivered. But Hillary had an image problem and instead of blaming an inept campaign team that couldn't apparently deal with the fact that *gasp* other people might be running in the election. I'm blaming his supporters."

I swear, do these people step outside their bubble long enough to read what they wrote?

Yes, extensively.

The idea that Bernie poisoned the well is hardly even debatable at this point. He threw decades of hard work by progressives under the bus, smearing an incredibly hard-won victory like the Affordable Care Act as a corporate half measure that's Just. Not. Good. Enough, and got legions of starry-eyed young liberals believing that achievable progressive policy proposals equaled corrupt corporate selling out.

Public option, increased ACA subsidies and Medicare at 55? Just. Not. Good. Enough. Die you corrupt hack. Single payer or bust. Like what Switzerland and Germany have.

Debt free college? Just. Not. Good. Enough. Get bent, neoliberal shill. Free tuition for the entire country or bust.

60% minimum wage increase to $12? Just. Not. Good. Enough. Go away you feudalist hag. Double it to $15 in every county of every state or bust. How dare you not fight for the workers?

And they wouldn't stop talking about him. Fucking October came around and they were still on his withered dick. If I'd spent all of October 2004 crying about Howard Dean, you would have called me a fucking asshole who needed to sit the fuck down, because we have a winnable election coming up, and it's critical that Kerry defeats Bush. But I tell these babies to shut up about the primary that ended four months earlier, and I'm the asshole. Sanders created that shit when he kept yelling about taking his movement all the way to the convention like he still had a shot at winning after getting blown the fuck out in New York and the Acela states.

Do you spend enough time outside your bubble to read what you write?


Edit: not even getting into the toxic masculine entitlement that led to people arguing in complete seriousness that the candidate who was dominating the primaries should drop out of the race to allow Sanders to get the nomination based on him doing a few points better in H2H polls.


It is absolutely hilarious that you think Hillary would do all this and not use the Obama method of abandoning her promises by blaming it all on Republicans and incompetency. It's ironic how you people blame Sanders for being unrealistic when you live is fantasy bubble land.

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« Reply #4596 on: April 03, 2017, 04:58:06 PM »
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Initially, I liked Bernie Sanders a lot, and identified with him. In terms of class, geography, and religion, I actually have much more in common with him than I do with Hillary Clinton, whose background was solidly middle class, Methodist, and Midwestern. Sanders and I share the same immigrant, working-class Jewish roots. The neighborhood he grew up in in Brooklyn looked very much like the one I’d grown up in in Newark, New Jersey. Although Sanders was a few years older than me, we had belonged to the same leftwing groups – Sanders while in college, I while in high school. We even went to the same college – University of Chicago –and I sometimes wondered whether I’d seen him on campus when I was a freshman and he a senior. As his campaign took off, and despite my support for Hillary, it made me smile to hear someone who sounded like he could have been a relative deliver speeches to mass audiences.

Sanders’s branding of Hillary as establishment, however, seemed vastly unjust and corrosively divisive to me, especially when delivered to a generation that knew very little about her beyond what Bernie told them.
In other words:
"I like Bernie, where he came from, what he did, what his ideas are and the message he delivered. But Hillary had an image problem and instead of blaming an inept campaign team that couldn't apparently deal with the fact that *gasp* other people might be running in the election. I'm blaming his supporters."

I swear, do these people step outside their bubble long enough to read what they wrote?

Yes, extensively.

The idea that Bernie poisoned the well is hardly even debatable at this point. He threw decades of hard work by progressives under the bus, smearing an incredibly hard-won victory like the Affordable Care Act as a corporate half measure that's Just. Not. Good. Enough, and got legions of starry-eyed young liberals believing that achievable progressive policy proposals equaled corrupt corporate selling out.

Public option, increased ACA subsidies and Medicare at 55? Just. Not. Good. Enough. Die you corrupt hack. Single payer or bust. Like what Switzerland and Germany have.

Debt free college? Just. Not. Good. Enough. Get bent, neoliberal shill. Free tuition for the entire country or bust.

60% minimum wage increase to $12? Just. Not. Good. Enough. Go away you feudalist hag. Double it to $15 in every county of every state or bust. How dare you not fight for the workers?

And they wouldn't stop talking about him. Fucking October came around and they were still on his withered dick. If I'd spent all of October 2004 crying about Howard Dean, you would have called me a fucking asshole who needed to sit the fuck down, because we have a winnable election coming up, and it's critical that Kerry defeats Bush. But I tell these babies to shut up about the primary that ended four months earlier, and I'm the asshole. Sanders created that shit when he kept yelling about taking his movement all the way to the convention like he still had a shot at winning after getting blown the fuck out in New York and the Acela states.

Do you spend enough time outside your bubble to read what you write?


Edit: not even getting into the toxic masculine entitlement that led to people arguing in complete seriousness that the candidate who was dominating the primaries should drop out of the race to allow Sanders to get the nomination based on him doing a few points better in H2H polls.
People have differing visions and plans and all that. The fact that people disagree with you is a given in politics. I don't understand where this "OMG! We just weren't prepared for people to disagree! Damn that Bernie!" Is coming from. You're goddamn right he didn't agree with Hillary's policy, nor did his voters.  The fact that Hillary either could not or would not get these people to her side is her campaign's failing and no one else's. I mean it's part and parcel of politics. You have a vision and a message to communicate, and your opposition will too. To show and be like  "I'm here. I've been here for a long time, you should vote for me. We're in the same party after all." Is a gross misunderstanding of how people vote. Bernie tapped into liberals that were fed up with corporate america, a corporate america that Hillary was never able to shake from her image effectively.

That all being said, I think this is a moot point. Hillary didn't lose because of Bernie-bros. She lost because of a massive white-backlash. White America coming up and saying, "I'd rather burn it all down than have more of the same."
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« Reply #4598 on: April 03, 2017, 05:18:42 PM »
It's like one is speaking in an impoverished state with a right to work law on the books, while the other is speaking to techies in San Francisco.

Do we not want better corporate behavior in the tech industry? Is this cause a waste of time? Why walk when we could be chewing gum?

I've never felt the word "college intellectual" was justified until this past year.

"Corporations are our friends :heartbeat let's convince them to behave nicely."

Also I disagree, I felt the term was justified for the past two decades now.

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« Reply #4599 on: April 03, 2017, 05:22:34 PM »
It's like one is speaking in an impoverished state with a right to work law on the books, while the other is speaking to techies in San Francisco.

Do we not want better corporate behavior in the tech industry? Is this cause a waste of time? Why walk when we could be chewing gum?

I've never felt the word "college intellectual" was justified until this past year.
What you're failing to see here is Bernie-stans are a lot like Trumpers. They would rather burn it all down than have more of the same. However, unlike Trumpers you could possibly reason with them. No one knows because no one's really tried.
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« Reply #4600 on: April 03, 2017, 05:45:58 PM »
It's like one is speaking in an impoverished state with a right to work law on the books, while the other is speaking to techies in San Francisco.

Do we not want better corporate behavior in the tech industry? Is this cause a waste of time? Why walk when we could be chewing gum?

I've never felt the word "college intellectual" was justified until this past year.
What you're failing to see here is Bernie-stans are a lot like Trumpers. They would rather burn it all down than have more of the same. However, unlike Trumpers you could possibly reason with them. No one knows because no one's really tried.

While I agree with everything you said I wonder, what do you mean reason with us? Most of us believe that we've reached a point where the corporate shills in the DNC are as toxic and destructive for this country as republicans, if not more given that the Democrats are supposed to represent the left and I'm quite fucking sure we're not wrong given Democrats' and Republicans' legacy of a decimated middle class and a sham of a democracy. Is that unreasonable? At some point you have to say enough is enough and yes, burn it all down if it comes to that, otherwise you're just the dumb boiling frog in the pot which is exactly what the neoliberal strategy has been the last few decades, slowly strip us of our wages, rights, pensions and dignity until there's nothing else to take.

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« Reply #4601 on: April 03, 2017, 05:51:38 PM »
Nah, the burn it all down is as laughable as people waiting for Trump getting coal jobs back. Jack has a point.

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« Reply #4602 on: April 03, 2017, 06:09:28 PM »
hey look, optimus and jack posting

guess we're rehashing the primaries again today!

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« Reply #4603 on: April 03, 2017, 06:20:44 PM »
I hope you're happy Benji.
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« Reply #4604 on: April 03, 2017, 06:32:02 PM »
That article is pretty amazing tho. If just for the non ironic use of the "most qualified candidate ever".

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« Reply #4605 on: April 03, 2017, 06:40:22 PM »
Benji started it by block quoting an article about the primaries without commentary like he always does.
And the Hillary drone lashes out at the ungrateful minority for not staying in their lane. :fbm

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« Reply #4606 on: April 03, 2017, 06:41:37 PM »
I mean Bernie's particular and specific narrative toward "the establishment" certainly at times teetered on corrosive IMO. But that is only because I think that simple narrative in general is corrosive.

Though I am not sure I am going to judge him for that when self-perceived noble lies or simple narratives are present in almost any political campaign and will likely remain so indefinitely. And they certainly were around with Hillary and Obama. So it comes off a bit hypocritical to shame Bernie for them. Since it has been a long-standing tool to sway a largely uninformed, identity focused and emotionally driven electorate on either side that prefers simple narratives over the realities of necessary complexity and nuance.

Bernie certainly did play up the establishment as a pejorative simple narrative at times. Which I do think has been a fairly cancerous cultural narrative for our democracy and inadvertently makes getting to the congressional reforms Bernie spoke about, harder. Because it sets up this all or nothing dynamic that is not how our system works, which sets up inevitable disappointment and creates a negative feedback loop of apathy and cynicism.

But Bernie didn't start this trend. The whole "both sides," hyper-partisanship, incrementalism=corruption, and the "they just care about money and propping up their pet industries" has been building up for some time on both sides. It was heavy in liberal political comedy in the 90's and 2000's. And the crazy inverted version on right-wing talk radio. The internet loves providing echo chambers for them and cable news thrives on aspects of it.

Hilary was not ever prepared in the primary or general to effectively counter that establishment narrative though... Or to at least find a message that could get through the noise to offset that disadvantage or subvert it. That is also setting aside the structural failings of her campaign that Bernie had nothing to do with.
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« Reply #4607 on: April 03, 2017, 06:57:09 PM »
So Trump announcing that he's going to have the DHS "do inspections" on H1B using companies.
yeah? and?
What exactly are they going to do? "Could a US citizen have done this job? Yeah." Don't know what he aims to accomplish. Without a change in the law all the inspections in the world aren't changing anything. All he's doing is getting business's way. It's almost as if he's more interested in making a show than actually solving problems.
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« Reply #4608 on: April 03, 2017, 07:22:27 PM »
He is a low curiosity narcissist with an obsession with self-promotion and bravado. It wouldn't surprise me.

Most of his policies centered around immigration(or just in general) have little or no basis in their efficacy toward achieving what he claims they will.

But he has a powerful echo chamber lying for him and playing up the pageantry, which in this day and age when it comes to a vast number of conservatives, is all that seems to really matter.


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« Reply #4610 on: April 04, 2017, 12:13:26 AM »
It's like one is speaking in an impoverished state with a right to work law on the books, while the other is speaking to techies in San Francisco.

Do we not want better corporate behavior in the tech industry? Is this cause a waste of time? Why walk when we could be chewing gum?

I've never felt the word "college intellectual" was justified until this past year.
What you're failing to see here is Bernie-stans are a lot like Trumpers. They would rather burn it all down than have more of the same. However, unlike Trumpers you could possibly reason with them. No one knows because no one's really tried.

I've tried talking to Bernie or Busters. I get more understanding from my dog.
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« Reply #4611 on: April 04, 2017, 01:27:14 AM »
No one likes Hillary Clinton. That isn't my fault. Suck my dick, freak.

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« Reply #4612 on: April 04, 2017, 03:14:53 AM »
60% minimum wage increase to $12? Just. Not. Good. Enough. Go away you feudalist hag. Double it to $15 in every county of every state or bust. How dare you not fight for the workers?

Leaving the lowkey Matt Yglesiasism unengaged, given that the last raise in the federal minimum wage ended the longest stretch in its history without a raise, the marginal utility of raises in the minimum wage would seem rather high.

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« Reply #4613 on: April 04, 2017, 04:22:58 AM »
$12/hour in 2017 would be the highest real minimum wage in US history.

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« Reply #4614 on: April 04, 2017, 05:39:28 AM »
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« Reply #4615 on: April 04, 2017, 06:11:37 AM »
that time the Donald became the greatest football owner in world history and led the NFL to untold riches:
https://www.si.com/vault/1984/02/13/619725/the-usfls-trump-card



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The United States Football League begins its second season in two weeks, but Donald J. Trump, who has become the biggest and most visible wheeler-dealer in all of sport since buying the New Jersey Generals in September, is already looking forward to what he calls the Galaxy Bowl. The Galaxy Bowl? Yes, the Galaxy Bowl. According to Trump, who thought up the name, it would pit the USFL championship team against the winner of the NFL's Super Bowl.
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"Donald's brilliant," says Ivana, an executive vice-president in charge of interior design for the family-owned Trump Organization. "As a lot of people say, whatever he touches turns to gold." Trump skis and plays an occasional game of golf or tennis, but he has no deep interests aside from his family, real estate and the Generals. "I like to create," he says. "I like to create great things. I don't go after money for money's sake. Money is an offshoot of what I do."
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Dr. Norman Vincent Peale is their pastor, Roy Cohn their attorney. "Donald Trump is an extraordinary young man," says Peale. "He has the elements of genius." Cohn says Trump is "one of the most enterprising, ingenious businessmen on the American scene...a miracle man who can't seem to make a mistake even if he tries."
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"I could have had four or five NFL teams," he says, but he bought the Generals, who were a dismal 6-12 their first season despite having Herschel Walker, because "I like a challenge." Trump adds
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But Trump's love of publicity goes way beyond business. Publicity makes him as excited as a kid. When the New York Post held a sports forum in December featuring George Steinbrenner, owner of the Yankees, Sonny Werblin, then president of Madison Square Garden, Fred Wilpon, president of the Mets and newcomer Trump, it was Trump who got most of the attention, and he was exultant. "Did you see the picture on the front page of the Post?" he asked. "It wasn't Steinbrenner and Ed Koch. It wasn't Sonny Werblin and the mayor. It wasn't Fred Wilpon. It was Donald Trump and Ed Koch."
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"He's in love with himself," says one developer, who asked for anonymity. "He's always promoting Donald Trump. When he wants something, he doesn't permit anything to stand in his way. He doesn't have a regard for human feelings. I don't know a lot of his peers who have any warmth for him—there's a lot of broken china behind him—but they respect him. He does accomplish things. He's made Trump Tower the Number One building, the place to be, because of his ballyhoo. He's like a Steinbrenner. That's why he wound up with the USFL. He bought a team because he wants people to know who he is."

Hess says, "Donald Trump is an extremely gifted self-promoter. The most important thing about him is his absolutely unshakable confidence in himself. Donald does things in a very public way. He arranges things so they become events, not just an announcement."

With a smile Trump says, "My image is much different than I actually am. After people meet me, they get along with me. Before they meet me, it's negatives."

Peale says, "Anybody who succeeds at anything is likely to be the recipient of jealousy. Reporters who talk to me about Donald view him as a tough guy. That's not the case. I'm in the people business, and this man is a gentleman. Every time you try to compliment Donald, he diverts the praise to his father or mother. Donald is an honest genius who, in my humble judgment, will go down as one of the greatest builders of our era. Anything that Donald attempts, he's likely to succeed at."
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"I've always undertaken jobs that people said couldn't be done. People said that the Grand Hyatt would never be built. Now they see it. They said that Trump Tower would never be built. Now they see it.

"In life you have people who promote and those who manage," Trump continues. "I'd like to think that I'm somebody with both qualities. Take the Cabbage Patch doll. Great promotion. Poor management. For the past 10 years people have seen the Jets and Giants. I think the New York-New Jersey area deserves a winner. The Generals have become hot. The season-ticket sales could well top 40,000, maybe 50,000. [As of Feb. 5 they stood at 29,000.] We've created a stir. There's going to be a lot of excitement."
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Donald Trump has no doubt that the USFL will make it and make it big. To Trump, it's "absolute nonsense" that 1984 will prove to be the make-or-break year for the league. Pointing to neighboring skyscrapers from his office, he says, "There's ABC. There's CBS. There's NBC. They're all around me. They read that the Grand Hyatt would never be built, but it was. They read that Trump Tower would never be built, but it was. Now they see me buy a football team. They're gonna believe." Trump adds, "When I want something, I want victory, completeness, results."

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« Reply #4616 on: April 04, 2017, 06:22:48 AM »
It's like one is speaking in an impoverished state with a right to work law on the books, while the other is speaking to techies in San Francisco.

Do we not want better corporate behavior in the tech industry? Is this cause a waste of time? Why walk when we could be chewing gum?

I've never felt the word "college intellectual" was justified until this past year.

It's like one actually goes to impoverished states and talks to union organizers, while the other spends her time hobnobbing with techie scum and bankers

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« Reply #4617 on: April 04, 2017, 09:00:22 AM »
It's like one is speaking in an impoverished state with a right to work law on the books, while the other is speaking to techies in San Francisco.

Do we not want better corporate behavior in the tech industry? Is this cause a waste of time? Why walk when we could be chewing gum?

I've never felt the word "college intellectual" was justified until this past year.

It's like one actually goes to impoverished states and talks to union organizers, while the other spends her time hobnobbing with techie scum and bankers

I'll take hobnobbing with techie scum over any republican.
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« Reply #4618 on: April 04, 2017, 10:39:44 AM »
http://time.com/4724128/donald-trump-internet-history-isp-privacy-browser-history/

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« Reply #4619 on: April 04, 2017, 12:50:11 PM »
Even his faithful troll brigade doesn't like it.