US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Mandark]

ok

[Oblivion]

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In 20 years, the generation of GOP officials who grew up with this shit is going to be wiiiiiiiiiiiild.

yeah and you idiots will counter them with some more cheeseburgers crying about gamergate.

Nope, nothing Breitbartian about shit like this.

[Oblivion]

Assimilate, serious question: are you going to vote Democrat in the midterms and/or the 2020 election?

Because I'm honestly wondering how you would even make it to the voting booth with going into convulsions at the sight of some blue haired college gal.

[seagrams hotsauce]

he can't vote lol

[Assimilate]

he can't vote lol

I can

 

Assimilate, serious question: are you going to vote Democrat in the midterms and/or the 2020 election?

Because I'm honestly wondering how you would even make it to the voting booth with going into convulsions at the sight of some blue haired college gal.

I will most likely vote Democrat unless it's a SJ.W up for election in my county/state/nation.

There's a lot of traditional, and center right republicans turning democrat. The parties are changing, errr evolving.

[Nintex]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Upset Sends Sobering Message to Democrats Reliant on Big Money: It Won’t Save You



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This is what the Bernie people always wanted. After Bernie lost they didn't get involved. That would mean that things would be so bad (under Trump) that it would spark a socialist revolution of sorts.

The Democratic leadership does not seem to have prepared at all for this. Not to mention that if throwing money at Dems isn't working, that same money will be thrown at the GOP and Trump.
As you know, you can get tax incentives for your business across the isle just as well if you leave your values by the door.

Now the question is what the 'moderates' would think of a left swing in the Democratic party. Will they be scared by things like abolishing ICE? A Dem 'civil war' of sorts could either spark enthusiasm and thus turn-out or it could split the vote and scare people away that actually vote.

I don't think it we will get answers to these plot holes for another 2 or 3 seasons or so.

[benjipwns]

I think it's very important that not only does the Senate immediately work to confirm Anthony Kennedy's successor but that they confirm the President's appointment of successors to the other eight justices, there is nothing saying they can't, and it's incredibly important that the Court never goes with vacancies. It's remarkable that Democrats would want to play politics with our most important institutions.

I watched Judge Jeannie Pirro one time late at night and I rate her "overly qualified almost" as long as she agrees to bring the bailiff from the show so he can make wisecracks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Jeanine_Pirro

[Nintex]

I think it's very important that not only does the Senate immediately work to confirm Anthony Kennedy's successor but that they confirm the President's appointment of successors to the other eight justices, there is nothing saying they can't, and it's incredibly important that the Court never goes without vacancies. It's remarkable that Democrats would want to play politics with our most important institutions.

I watched Judge Jeannie Pirro one time late at night and I rate her "overly qualified almost" as long as she agrees to bring the bailiff from the show so he can make wisecracks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Jeanine_Pirro

3 seasons. I mean, it's not apprentice level but that's a good enough base level imo.

[Mandark]

This is what the Bernie people always wanted. After Bernie lost they didn't get involved. That would mean that things would be so bad (under Trump) that it would spark a socialist revolution of sorts.

The Democratic leadership does not seem to have prepared at all for this. Not to mention that if throwing money at Dems isn't working, that same money will be thrown at the GOP and Trump.
As you know, you can get tax incentives for your business across the isle just as well if you leave your values by the door.

Now the question is what the 'moderates' would think of a left swing in the Democratic party. Will they be scared by things like abolishing ICE? A Dem 'civil war' of sorts could either spark enthusiasm and thus turn-out or it could split the vote and scare people away that actually vote.

I don't think it we will get answers to these plot holes for another 2 or 3 seasons or so.

sometimes it's okay to just not post

[Assimilate]

The dems are cowardly pussies constantly worried about social issues and people that aren't even citizens of the country and then you all wonder why they stay losing?

The party needs more hard lined center rightwing people in there to save that disaster before the U.S turns into Escape from LA.

[Steve Contra]

hard lined center rightwing people

[shosta]

I'm voting for the good guys this year.

[Mandark]

Mildly nihilist take: we're all just being tossed back and forth by negative partisanship and thermostatic public opinion and nothing really matters.

Still this.

[benjipwns]

I'm voting for the good guys this year.

i liked that show

Jenny Wade can prosecute me anytime, or turn into a demon, whichever

[Assimilate]

hard lined center rightwing people

I"ve been drinking. you know damn well what i meant

[shosta]

stro analated

[nachobro]

Dumb question but hasn't the Supreme Court leaned right for like 50 years already? How is this a major change? Or is it a meltdown over nothing as per usual lately?

[benjipwns]

The Democratic National Committee has never held a majority in the House or Senate.

that's what they want you to think

[Oblivion]

Dumb question but hasn't the Supreme Court leaned right for like 50 years already? How is this a major change? Or is it a meltdown over nothing as per usual lately?

1) The justices keep getting worse as time goes on
2) People who want a left-leaning court are generally not happy at the idea of continued domination of a right-wing court, especially if that results in this staying this way for decades longer

[benjipwns]

Dumb question but hasn't the Supreme Court leaned right for like 50 years already? How is this a major change? Or is it a meltdown over nothing as per usual lately?

There's two aspects, one political, one related to their decisions.

One, Obama didn't get to replace Scalia so the status quo remained rather than swap.

Two, Kennedy has a civil libertarian streak that leads to him voting in favor of things like gay marriage, the rest of the conservative bloc instead writes thousand page dissents about how it's the end of the Republic. The expectation is that we're more likely to wind up with someone closer to Alito than Kennedy.

[Nola]

Dumb question but hasn't the Supreme Court leaned right for like 50 years already? How is this a major change? Or is it a meltdown over nothing as per usual lately?

You had two conservative leaning swing judges, you now only have one(who is far less swingy). The one leaving is in all likelihood going to be replaced with a far-right judge.

It's not a total nightmare scenario from a liberal perspective, that would probably be RBG dying next week and turning a solid liberal judge into a solid conservative one, which would solidify a majority strong conservative court for a generation, but there are a lot of rulings, like issues around gay marriage or civil rights, healthcare, labor protections, corporate power, and possibly opening up more clearance room for state level abortion restrictions without Kennedy around.

[Joe Molotov]

Supreme Court justices are the RNG lootboxes of Democracy.

[benjipwns]

The latest scare point from the restrictionists is complaining about all the fentanyl coming across the border from Mexico. I find it funny considering a precursor of that is what the federal government used to poison alcohol supplies with back during Prohibition.

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apologies if it's actually just two things with similar names, i didn't bother looking it up to confirm

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[Mandark]

The latest scare point from the restrictionists is complaining about all the fentanyl coming across the border from Mexico. I find it funny considering a precursor of that is what the federal government used to poison alcohol supplies with back during Prohibition.

I've heard reporters say that when they were covering Trump rallies in 2015-16 that opioids would mostly be brought up in the context of illegal immigrants smuggling them through the Mexican border. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people think that MS-13 is involved.

[Assimilate]

The entire country of the United States leans right compared to pretty much everywhere else, nerds that think they're progressive in America would be right wing scum in 90% of Europe.


Then there are people like assimilate who are pieces of shit by the standards of Europe AND North America.

you don't even know my views you just use this as a way to justify your ignorance.

people like you still don't get it, and you never will. you're on the opposite side of the same coin as the people you hate.

[Assimilate]

poor stro doesn't realize most of the countries that go further left than the u.s are in utter economic meltdown and have been for almost a decade.... that doesn't effect him though, he's perpetually unemployed

 

I am interested in hearing how Stro is just an alternate dimension version of you, though.

he's not.

[benjipwns]

I'm starting to see that remedial reading courses are also needed, unfortunately I'll have to recommend you to another member as I'm not certified for that.

[Assimilate]

I'm starting to see that remedial reading courses are also needed, unfortunately I'll have to recommend you to another member as I'm not certified for that.

Boy Genius in here ready to go on a tangent about some bullshit no one is talking about... what do you do for a living Benji? Just curious.

[Assimilate]

I am interested in hearing how Stro is just an alternate dimension version of you, though.

he's not.

You said he's the opposite side of the coin of what you are. Implying he's alt-left. Please elaborate.

He hates alt-right, i'm not alt-right. Not even close but then again maybe i am alt-right considering how insane some of you are...who the fuck knows since anything that isn't butthurt leftwing marxists is alt-right these days.

If his views are aligned with Rees views, which a lot of you are, then yeah i'm probably alt-right to you guys because you guys are fucking out of your minds.

 

[benjipwns]

what do you do for a living Benji? Just curious.

run the fastest growing video game blog in which all hits come from thebore.com on the internet

[Trurl]

I'm starting to see that remedial reading courses are also needed, unfortunately I'll have to recommend you to another member as I'm not certified for that.

Boy Genius in here ready to go on a tangent about some bullshit no one is talking about... what do you do for a living Benji? Just curious.

He's NBC's chief archivist for The Apprentice. 

[Assimilate]

what do you do for a living Benji? Just curious.

run the fastest growing video game blog on the internet

does he want me to click on this to dox me? I always run through a tunnel... dickwad.

This kid doesn't stop with the doxxing attempt does he?

[Mandark]

 

[Assimilate]

I don't think I've said anything about the alt right because I still really don't know what it is besides normal right wing leaning people who use memes I guess? Please, explain to me what my views are.

Me?? you're the one making the statements.

Then there are people like assimilate who are pieces of shit by the standards of Europe AND North America.

[benjipwns]

clearly we need to settle this with some Nolan Charts

[Nola]

What a shocker, it's Wednesday night and Assimilate is drowning his superiority complex with booze and crying and picking fights on the internet about minorities, lefties, and Marvel movies again.

[Assimilate]

I don't think I've said anything about the alt right because I still really don't know what it is besides normal right wing leaning people who use memes I guess? Please, explain to me what my views are.

Me?? you're the one making the statements.

Then there are people like assimilate who are pieces of shit by the standards of Europe AND North America.

Where in this statement is anything about alt-right anything? You're always complaining about people making strawman arguments, then you literally quote me and say I said something not even implied in the quote to make your point 

etoilet at least has some conviction in his shitheadery.

Ooooh ok so go ahead what is it then if it's not 'alt-right'

What a shocker, it's Wednesday night and Assimilate is drowning his superiority complex with booze and crying and picking fights on the internet about minorities, lefties, and Marvel movies again.

 

[Oblivion]

I don't think I've said anything about the alt right because I still really don't know what it is besides normal right wing leaning people who use memes I guess? Please, explain to me what my views are.

Me?? you're the one making the statements.

Then there are people like assimilate who are pieces of shit by the standards of Europe AND North America.

Where in this statement is anything about alt-right anything? You're always complaining about people making strawman arguments, then you literally quote me and say I said something not even implied in the quote to make your point 

etoilet at least has some conviction in his shitheadery.

Interesting that Assimilate equated being "pieces of shit" to being "alt-right". 

[Oblivion]

In Assimilate's defense, you don't have to be alt-Right to be a piece of shit. Being standard-Right would suffice just as well.

[Assimilate]

Dude, you love Trump and have a raging boner for immigrants. Default to "you're triggered lolololol" at any response, and have problems with any sort of democratic win and love "owning the libs". How are you not alt-right? Nobody is banning you for that, if that's your big fear.

I'll paypall you $100 if you show me where i 'love trump'

See this is exactly the problem with dems/libs right now. Anyone that shows any disagreement with the overall agenda, or political correctness is automatically a trump supporting alt-right republican nazi whacko.

Seriously, we are totally fucked in 2020.

[Mandark]

So this NIFLA ruling from the Supreme Court.

I gotta catch up, but my impression is that it's a ruling in favor of antiabortion activists (who run "crisis pregnancy centers") saying they shouldn't be compelled to discuss abortion as an option because of free speech rights.

That's potentially a big deal cause the courts haven't extended free speech protections to "professional speech," so governments have had leeway to pass laws about who's allowed to get paid to give medical/legal/investing advice, what the ground rules for those professions are, etc. So this could be a precedent which brings down a lot of regulations, especially around professional licensing.

Or it could be a thing where they find a way to use the new standard here, and maybe in striking down anti-conversation therapy laws, but leave it in place for, say, dietitians.


Any good lawsplainers out there anyone wants to link to?

[Assimilate]

It just means you're an asshole and annoying piece of shit. Idk why you think that has to mean I'm calling you alt right but that's an interesting conclusion you automatically jumped to.

Ah ok, i guess the political context you put that in doesn't mean anything anymore. Gotcha

 

[curly]

He hates alt-right, i'm not alt-right. Not even close but then again maybe i am alt-right considering how insane some of you are...who the fuck knows since anything that isn't butthurt leftwing marxists is alt-right these days.

that's right bitch and when President Ocasio-Cortez is inaugurated the first things she'll do are abolish private property and make it illegal to be cishet, so say goodbye to your puny excuse for a penis

[Assimilate]

lmao what political context did I put it in? The context is that you're an asshole on all continents. I feel like you're two posts away from begging me to call you alt right like that dude who always wants people to drop n bombs on him to prove some kind of fetish point.

The entire country of the United States leans right compared to pretty much everywhere else, nerds that think they're progressive in America would be right wing scum in 90% of Europe.


Then there are people like assimilate who are pieces of shit by the standards of Europe AND North America.

I guess your first sentence doesn't apply here regardless of the "then" ? uh huh uh huh.

Stro, stay

[benjipwns]

So this NIFLA ruling from the Supreme Court.

I gotta catch up, but my impression is that it's a ruling in favor of antiabortion activists (who run "crisis pregnancy centers") saying they shouldn't be compelled to discuss abortion as an option because of free speech rights.

That's potentially a big deal cause the courts haven't extended free speech protections to "professional speech," so governments have had leeway to pass laws about who's allowed to get paid to give medical/legal/investing advice, what the ground rules for those professions are, etc. So this could be a precedent which brings down a lot of regulations, especially around professional licensing.

Or it could be a thing where they find a way to use the new standard here, and maybe in striking down anti-conversation therapy laws, but leave it in place for, say, dietitians.


Any good lawsplainers out there anyone wants to link to?

Here's the Courts explanation:

By compelling individuals to speak a particular message, such notices "alte[r] the content of [their] speech." Riley. Here, for example, licensed clinics must provide a government-drafted script about the availability of state-sponsored services, as well as contact information for how to obtain them. One of those services is abortion—the very practice that petitioners are devoted to opposing. By requiring petitioners to inform women how they can obtain state-subsidized abortions—at the same time petitioners try to dissuade women from choosing that option—the licensed notice plainly "alters the content" of petitioners' speech.

Even if California had presented a nonhypothetical justification for the unlicensed notice, the [California law] unduly burdens protected speech. The unlicensed notice imposes a government-scripted, speaker-based disclosure requirement that is wholly disconnected from California's informational interest. It requires covered facilities to post California's precise notice, no matter what the facilities say on site or in their advertisements.

And it covers a curiously narrow subset of speakers. While the licensed notice applies to facilities that provide "family planning" services and "contraception or contraceptive methods," the California Legislature dropped these triggering conditions for the unlicensed notice. The unlicensed notice applies only to facilities that primarily provide "pregnancy-related" services. Thus, a facility that advertises and provides pregnancy tests is covered by the unlicensed notice, but a facility across the street that advertises and provides nonprescription contraceptives is excluded—even though the latter is no less likely to make women think it is licensed. This Court's precedents are deeply skeptical of laws that "distinguis[h] among different speakers, allowing speech by some but not others." Speaker-based laws run the risk that "the State has left unburdened those speakers whose messages are in accord with its own views."

The application of the unlicensed notice to advertisements demonstrates just how burdensome it is. The notice applies to all "print and digital advertising materials" by an unlicensed covered facility. These materials must include a government-drafted statement that "[t]his facility is not licensed as a medical facility by the State of California and has no licensed medical provider who provides or directly supervises the provision of services." An unlicensed facility must call attention to the notice, instead of its own message, by some method such as larger text or contrasting type or color. This scripted language must be posted in English and as many other languages as California chooses to require.

As California conceded at oral argument, a billboard for an unlicensed facility that says "Choose Life" would have to surround that two-word statement with a 29-word statement from the government, in as many as 13 different languages. In this way, the unlicensed notice drowns out the facility's own message [such as in Los Angeles County, where the 13-language requirement applies]. More likely, the "detail required" by the unlicensed notice "effectively rules out" the possibility of having such a billboard in the first place.

[W]hen the government polices the content of professional speech, it can fail to "'preserve an uninhibited marketplace of ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail.'" Professionals might have a host of good-faith disagreements, both with each other and with the government, on many topics in their respective fields. Doctors and nurses might disagree about the ethics of assisted suicide or the benefits of medical marijuana; lawyers and marriage counselors might disagree about the prudence of prenuptial agreements or the wisdom of divorce; bankers and accountants might disagree about the amount of money that should be devoted to savings or the benefits of tax reform.

I got that from Volokh, which obviously as a blog has its open biases, but Eugene usually explains case decisions in a step-by-step case history way that often confuses commenters for thinking he approves/disapproves of decisions: http://reason.com/volokh/2018/06/26/nifla-v-becerra-and-speech-compulsions

Seems in a way like the Court's main problem was that California's instructions are basically too long and too specific and somewhat arbitrary in how they apply to different organizations/facilities, that if it simply said something like "the state offers services" instead of listing them out especially including abortion, they may not have had an issue with it.

Wonder what impact this has on all those "The State of California has determined that THIS WILL SLOWLY MURDER YOU FROM THE POISONS" tags that are on all sorts of stuff.

[Mandark]

Seems in a way like the Court's main problem was that California's instructions are basically too long and too specific

Okay I gotta stop ya right there.

It's a 5-4 decision along party lines in a case related to abortion. My day was too long and I don't have the energy left to pretend anything else is going on here.

[Assimilate]

See this is exactly the problem with dems/libs right now. Anyone that shows any disagreement with the overall agenda, or political correctness is automatically a trump supporting alt-right republican nazi whacko.

Seriously, we are totally fucked in 2020.

Never called you a nazi. Your politics, ever since you have joined, fits in with the alt-right. How are you not one when you're constantly a cheerleader for it? How about you explain what you are and what your positions are. I mostly see you as dumb troll who's afraid, for whatever reason, to actually delve into what he is. Instead of deflecting how about you actually open up about what are your disagreements with democrats are and where do you fall? I'm not attacking you, just asking. So why not answer for once.

you go ahead and label what you think i am and i'll check off on it

do i believe in open borders? - no
do i believe in universal basic income? - yes
do i believe in compelled speech? - no
do i believe in firing someone for wrong/offense think? - no
do i believe comedians should be held accountable for what they say during their standup skit? - no
do i believe in climate change? - yes
do i believe trump is an idiot? - yes
do i believe republicans have collectively lost their minds? - yes
do i believe democrats are pussies? - yes
do i believe democrats will lose the election because they cater too much to social issues and bullshit that doesn't effect a majority of the country? - yes
do i believe the war on drugs should be ended? -yes
do i believe in a reasonable economic policy that reduces the inequality gap? - yes
do i believe the university system is broken? - yes
do i believe women have been oppressed and the wage gap discrepancy is based on oppression? - no
do i believe most women actually want equality in all aspects of society? - no
do i believe there could be a genetic difference between races in intelligence? -yes
do i believe there needs to be quotas in place for 'representation? - no
do i believe the west is going to be fucked if it continues down this path? - yes

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what else you want?

[Mandark]

a standup routine is not a skit

[benjipwns]

Seems in a way like the Court's main problem was that California's instructions are basically too long and too specific

Okay I gotta stop ya right there.

It's a 5-4 decision along party lines in a case related to abortion. My day was too long and I don't have the energy left to pretend anything else is going on here.

IMPARTIAL UMPIRE CALLING BALLS AND STRIKES

how many times do i have to

[Oblivion]

poor stro doesn't realize most of the countries that go further left than the u.s are in utter economic meltdown and have been for almost a decade.... that doesn't effect him though, he's perpetually unemployed

Okay, now I'm even more confused about you. I know you're not exactly sympathetic to the Civil Rights side of the Democratic party, but from this, it seems like you're not even on the economic side either! 

[benjipwns]

i mean "triggering libtards, owning foreigners through blocking immigration and stopping free trade, STRONG foreign policy displays, anti-PC/SSW tirades, country is doomed without lots of winning, democrats are a disaster, insulting people" was (is?) kinda Trump's whole platform

[Mandark]

Was Assimilate listing his own views, or trying to put together benji's ideal pundit?

[benjipwns]

the important parts of a healthy political debate like whether standup skits are getting criticized on the internet by puritans

[Assimilate]

do i believe in open borders? - no
do i believe in universal basic income? - yes
do i believe in compelled speech? - no
do i believe in firing someone for wrong/offense think? - no
do i believe comedians should be held accountable for what they say during their standup skit? - no
do i believe in climate change? - yes
do i believe trump is an idiot? - yes
do i believe republicans have collectively lost their minds? - yes
do i believe democrats are pussies? - yes
do i believe democrats will lose the election because they cater too much to social issues and bullshit that doesn't effect a majority of the country? - yes
do i believe the war on drugs should be ended? -yes
do i believe in a reasonable economic policy that reduces the inequality gap? - yes
do i believe the university system is broken? - yes
do i believe women have been oppressed and the wage gap discrepancy is based on oppression? - no
do i believe most women actually want equality in all aspects of society? - no
do i believe there could be a genetic difference between races in intelligence? -yes
do i believe there needs to be quotas in place for 'representation? - no
do i believe the west is going to be fucked if it continues down this path? - yes

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what else you want?

You pretty much sound like a fedora libertarian while the bold is very much incel/alt-right shit. Not sure what Stand up bits have to do with anything because I'm pretty sure most people here don't mind an offensive joke or whatever. Feels like you're projecting a lot at what you want to yell at instead of discussing shit with people. And most would agree that the DNC sucks.

And back to the bold, most of it isn't even politics, just general bigoted shit that has been politicized specifically by alt-right movements (opposing progressive change for different genders and races) so why are you shocked when people think you're alt-right? Hell, that's most of the alt-rights talking points anyway. You're essentially all the way there.

But that's like saying there wont' be overlap with any particular group, there always is. See, this is the polarized nature of things, if anything at all is promoted by the opposite side we must immediately condemn it. That's actually very Obama era Republican. Whatever Obama and the dems suggested, if even it was something Republicans used to agree with, it's now blacklisted. Like, come on.

I don't see the bold as 'bigoted'. I honestly don't think it's going to be a net benefited to society to strip men of their masculinity. Believe it's some alt-right talking point all you want, but i actually see it happening and it's not going to result in positive outcomes like you think it will.

And yeah some people are born smarter than others. This is just reality dude. I know I wasn't born to be solving string theory. It's better off admitting this now and moving on then pretending otherwise.

[benjipwns]

maybe Assimilate's just launching his Presidential campaign

[Mandark]

I honestly don't think it's going to be a net benefited to society to strip men of their masculinity. Believe it's some alt-right talking point all you want, but i actually see it happening and it's not going to result in positive outcomes like you think it will.

[Nola]

I'm still waiting on this grand unifying theory tying melanin level to intelligence in a species that is no more than 70th cousins from one another.

[benjipwns]

you forget that everyone knows skin color, not to mention other common "racial/ethnic" features, are determined by a single ordinal genetic marker

[benjipwns]

you forget that everyone knows skin color, not to mention other common "racial/ethnic" features, are determined by a single ordinal genetic marker

ohhh look at wonder boy genius showing off his scientific knowledge of basic genetics* to debunk a theory on its face even though nobody mentioned it

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*keep it on the down low that it's just a fancy set of simple probabilities and that's how i got through three semesters of it with flying colors while those related majors struggled

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[Oblivion]

I'm curious about the "compelled speech" thing because I can literally only think of one instance that's even come up at least in the past decade, and that was grossly and intentionally misinterpreted by the Right.

edit: and wasn't even an issue that happened in the U.S.