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« Reply #30660 on: February 28, 2019, 03:15:41 PM »
They already do. They just need Kim and Trump to sign it but they both don't want to make it look easy.

The deal is simple:
- The US removes the sanctions and the US and South Korea economically support North Korea
- North Korea denuclearizes

This deal is what Trump and Kim need to agree on, but neither wants to blink first.

no you said they'd already agreed to a deal before the first meeting

not "in my head there exists a deal which they should agree to"

are you able to successfully lie to people in person? trying to figure out why you keep trying it on here
Because you are so easy to bait Mandark  :doge
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« Reply #30661 on: February 28, 2019, 03:17:12 PM »
mmmmhmmmmm

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« Reply #30662 on: February 28, 2019, 03:20:55 PM »
Kim has made Trump look like such a moron every step of the way and Trump somehow doesn't realize it. It's actually fascinating because it's hard to find an example of a US president being so utterly and completely finessed by another head of state like Kim has done with Trump. And yet Trump and the entire Republican party are either too dumb or too proud to realize he's repeatedly been embarrassed by this dude who doesn't even interact with the international community.

I feel Kim is genuinely trying to get some sort of compromise from Trump. But is also clear that what that compromise is is very different of what the US and Trump wants. I doubt Trump is the kind of moron that doesn’t realizes that, but I believe he is the kind of moron that genuinely thinks he can change that by licking Kim balls.

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« Reply #30663 on: February 28, 2019, 03:22:32 PM »
How can trump meet Kim without preconditions?
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« Reply #30664 on: February 28, 2019, 03:22:51 PM »
Knowing Trump he wasn't paying attention much and probably bored.
He had already met Kim, the show wasn't as big as last time. Less reporters, not enough media interest.

For some reason he started talking about Israel and Palestine as the 'biggest deal' during his press conference.
I guess that's what he's going to try next.  :rofl
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« Reply #30665 on: February 28, 2019, 03:27:28 PM »
The deal is simple and Benjamin Netanyahu and Mahmoud Abbas have already agreed to it.
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« Reply #30666 on: February 28, 2019, 03:32:00 PM »
Doesn’t feel he was bored but that he knew it was a useless trip. The fact that he continues to lick Kim balls to this stupid degree made me feel he believes he can still do it. Trump is dumb enough to believe his own hype.

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« Reply #30667 on: February 28, 2019, 03:32:57 PM »
Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan and North Carolina Republican Rep. Mark Meadows have contacted the FBI to investigate Cohen for possible perjury during yesterday's testimony. Because he claimed he wasn't interested in a job in the White House.
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« Reply #30668 on: February 28, 2019, 03:35:12 PM »
Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan and North Carolina Republican Rep. Mark Meadows have contacted the FBI to investigate Cohen for possible perjury during yesterday's testimony. Because he claimed he wasn't interested in a job in the White House.
That was such a dumb claim by Cohen. I don't know why he just didn't say: "Yeah, maybe but I never looked at it in much detail" or the classic: "I don't recall"
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« Reply #30669 on: February 28, 2019, 03:51:34 PM »
Another example Jordan and Meadows listed was Cohen's claim that he didn't defraud any bank. However, they took no issue with his statements regarding Trump, it would seem.
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« Reply #30670 on: February 28, 2019, 04:20:03 PM »
Didn't Cohen say he wrote up a memo detailing why he should remain Trump's personal lawyer and not WH staff? Seems like an easy thing to produce
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« Reply #30671 on: February 28, 2019, 06:15:42 PM »
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1101251467443343360

As always the toughest challenge for Democrats is ... other Democrats.  :doge
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« Reply #30672 on: February 28, 2019, 07:33:08 PM »
did anyone here watch the first Cohen testimony when he was covering for Trump? I'm curious how cordial Jordan and Meadows were to him back then.

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« Reply #30674 on: March 01, 2019, 01:09:27 AM »


bringing up Libya and other garbage U.S. foreign policy, she so dreamy  :-[
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« Reply #30675 on: March 01, 2019, 09:09:53 AM »
Funniest tweet I saw yesterday:

Trump wants his staff to start calling him a "war hero" since he just got shot down in Hanoi.
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« Reply #30678 on: March 01, 2019, 12:17:24 PM »
A Confederacy of Dunces : Redux
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« Reply #30679 on: March 01, 2019, 01:21:58 PM »
Even if you get rid of Trump somehow. You get this guy  :lol
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1101507515186065409
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« Reply #30680 on: March 01, 2019, 02:43:41 PM »
https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1101156979802804224


"They want to take away your hamburgers"

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And replace them with taco trucks on every corner  :phil
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« Reply #30682 on: March 01, 2019, 03:39:50 PM »
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And replace them with taco trucks on every corner  :phil
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« Reply #30683 on: March 01, 2019, 04:48:55 PM »
oh noez, the commies are gonna take away our great American food, McDonalds hamberders

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« Reply #30684 on: March 01, 2019, 05:08:11 PM »
They can take away Shake Shack, just leave the superior Five Guys :jawalrus

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« Reply #30685 on: March 01, 2019, 05:14:45 PM »
that's your worst post of all time.

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« Reply #30686 on: March 01, 2019, 05:19:59 PM »
They can take away Shake Shack, just leave the superior Five Guys :jawalrus

What the FUCK
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« Reply #30689 on: March 02, 2019, 12:45:48 PM »
This speech is such a fucking trainwreck he's just rambling about everything :lol

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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1101901054873079809

He went off script for 36 minutes. announced he was going back on script and starts going off script again.

Is Trump drunk. Jesus christ.  :lol

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« Reply #30691 on: March 02, 2019, 01:10:27 PM »
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1101901876147167233

 :doge
 

He's just not going to stop today

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1101907927634509824



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I've never seen so many beautiful machine guns. They sit in the trees, they sit in the lawn. I tell people this mess. This is a great building. Since 1799 I told Xi This is like a new House in China - PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP
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« Reply #30692 on: March 02, 2019, 01:44:24 PM »
Someone needs to call 911
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« Reply #30693 on: March 02, 2019, 01:51:05 PM »
He's been going for 90+ minutes and he's just at Mexico.

Unless he stops early there's stil at least coal, Iran and Israel to go  :doge
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« Reply #30694 on: March 02, 2019, 01:52:31 PM »
imagine watching that garbage on a Saturday afternoon

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« Reply #30695 on: March 02, 2019, 02:07:07 PM »
imagine watching that garbage on a Saturday afternoon

I feel bad for the reporters
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« Reply #30696 on: March 02, 2019, 02:24:40 PM »
I thought CPAC was wild in election years. Apparently, the non election years are just as nutty.

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« Reply #30697 on: March 02, 2019, 02:29:03 PM »
I thought CPAC was wild in election years. Apparently, the non election years are just as nutty.
CPAC was pretty much the same old. It is just Trump that went off his rocker.
2 hours and 2 minutes of complete unhinged insanity.
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« Reply #30699 on: March 02, 2019, 02:43:20 PM »
imagine watching that garbage on a Saturday afternoon

You don’t enjoy madmen going full BEASTMODE?

You lead a very boring life  :trumps
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« Reply #30700 on: March 02, 2019, 03:23:36 PM »
The voice of the people's revolutionary vanguard (Teen Vogue) has spoken: the Bernie bro Bernie Sanders is cancelled.

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While I'm glad reparations to descendants of American slaves is an issue that has come up already in the Democratic Primary, it feels like a bit of a disingenuous GOTCHA to trap Mr. White Working Class when Speaker Léonie Blum says we can't even pay for Medicare for All. Do y'all really think the process of decolonization will be particularly cheap? Or is this going to be a case of "Sorry I burned down your village. Here's some gold."
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« Reply #30702 on: March 02, 2019, 03:47:02 PM »
The free speech stuff piss me off given that is a cynical ammo for nutty right wing lunatics and nutty democrats that write “MAH FREEZE PEACH” as some sort of smart take that. The fucker that want to be best friends with dictators wants to “protect” free speech.

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« Reply #30703 on: March 02, 2019, 03:47:24 PM »
The voice of the people's revolutionary vanguard (Teen Vogue) has spoken: the Bernie bro Bernie Sanders is cancelled.

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While I'm glad reparations to descendants of American slaves is an issue that has come up already in the Democratic Primary, it feels like a bit of a disingenuous GOTCHA to trap Mr. White Working Class when Speaker Léonie Blum says we can't even pay for Medicare for All. Do y'all really think the process of decolonization will be particularly cheap? Or is this going to be a case of "Sorry I burned down your village. Here's some gold."
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We went through this last cycle, right? Sanders said it wouldn't be politically feasible and TNC (whose piece is probably why it gets brought up) basically said it was disingenuous to use that excuse in this particular case when Sanders' whole brand was based on rejecting it in the general case. The Discourse was spicy that day, my friend.

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Sanders' argument would probably be that big increases in social spending are broadly popular and therefor politically feasible for anyone willing to buck corporate interests and bring public pressure to bear, but that support among white people would collapse for any expensive policy explicitly aiming to benefit black people.

Understandable why he wouldn't want to say all that out loud, but kind of funny that Obama was pretty direct about making that general point in his book.
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« Reply #30704 on: March 02, 2019, 04:26:16 PM »
TNC is kind of a dumb ass about this issue in a way.

He has never put a line in the sand about what reparations even would be, from a political perspective. He’s never endorsed any particular remedy, publically theorized about one, proposed one, or as far as I know ever written any sort of guidelines about what it sort of should look like.

Anybody that is praising or criticizing a politician for not supporting “reparations” is being silly because they are wasting air talking about something incredibly vague and non-specific.

The new vogue seems to be for a candidate to say they support reparations and then propose something that isn’t really specifically focused on black people at all, then call it “reparations”.

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« Reply #30705 on: March 02, 2019, 04:32:13 PM »
You called me friend, Mandark. :uguu

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I'm not really interested in speculating on why he doesn't support doing the right thing--he has after all now been denounced by the party organ--I just think that the Democratic establishment that stands against him doesn't have a particularly solid moral footing from which to attack him on the issue, not just for the fact that it's "unrealistic" economically but because even an unsatisfactory postwar German style of reparations would necessarily require that white America be disabused of many of their most favorite bedtime stories about rugged individualism and the Democratic Party's big tent currently includes people who pretend to be more patriotic than Columbia herself. But attacking from moral ground you don't have is politics, I know.
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« Reply #30706 on: March 02, 2019, 05:16:37 PM »
Right. The giveaway is where a criticism is prefaced with "He was among the 100 senators who..."

Where do you go from there? Unless the author's making a sly case against electoralism.

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« Reply #30707 on: March 02, 2019, 06:48:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/notch/status/1101794469060337664 going to get my political news from notch now.

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« Reply #30708 on: March 02, 2019, 06:52:19 PM »
https://twitter.com/notch/status/1101794469060337664 going to get my political news from notch now.

Just another bored billionaire

Youd think hed travel the world or make some sort of difference with his found fortune, instead he chooses to be ordinary. Well thats understating anyone who believes the Qanon shit.
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« Reply #30709 on: March 02, 2019, 07:49:55 PM »
At this point, I think he is mentally ill.

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I dont totally blame him given that some drama against him was unfair and manufactured. Though he is genuine dumb fuck right now.
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« Reply #30710 on: March 02, 2019, 08:06:11 PM »
Who is mentally ill? Notch, the flag molesting (addicted?) BEASTMODE President, AOC, Bernie Sanders, Q? Are they all mentally ill?

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1101904995191087104

Does it actually matter?

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« Reply #30712 on: March 02, 2019, 08:10:19 PM »
It looks like he's campaigning in a bathroom with that tilework.

Not a good look  :doge

Unless they rig that shit Bernie's going to destroy the other jokers.
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« Reply #30713 on: March 02, 2019, 08:12:04 PM »
Who is mentally ill? Notch, the flag molesting (addicted?) BEASTMODE President, AOC, Bernie Sanders, Q? Are they all mentally ill?


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« Reply #30715 on: March 02, 2019, 08:22:54 PM »
This thread already has shitty Stormfront cosplay because lolbertarianism, why not have Nintex weigh in on mental health too.

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« Reply #30716 on: March 02, 2019, 08:23:42 PM »
This thread already has shitty Stormfront cosplay because lolbertarianism, why not have Nintex weigh in on mental health too.

Because Nintex is not funny.

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« Reply #30717 on: March 02, 2019, 09:45:06 PM »
You called me friend, Mandark. :uguu

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I'm not really interested in speculating on why he doesn't support doing the right thing--he has after all now been denounced by the party organ--I just think that the Democratic establishment that stands against him doesn't have a particularly solid moral footing from which to attack him on the issue, not just for the fact that it's "unrealistic" economically but because even an unsatisfactory postwar German style of reparations would necessarily require that white America be disabused of many of their most favorite bedtime stories about rugged individualism and the Democratic Party's big tent currently includes people who pretend to be more patriotic than Columbia herself. But attacking from moral ground you don't have is politics, I know.
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I sort of roll my eyes at criticizing anybody for not “doing the right thing” in part because there is no consensus on what reparations even means from a policy perspective. It could mean everything from “free college and Medicare for all but calling it reparations” to “give $1 million cash to everybody darker than a paper bag”.

Bernie’s response of “what does that even mean, specifically?” when asked if he supports reparations is imo, the right one at this point in time. I basically would support most of the “reparations” plans that have been floated by democratic candidates, but would also call all of them general anti-poverty programs and not really reparations the way a lot of people mean it.

That said, the only place I’ve ever really seen people come up with their preferred policy ideas for reparations was on 2016 Neogaf. And all of their ideas were obviously ridiculous and never going to happen.

I do think a constituency can be built to support reparations programs to some extent, but there Doesnt seem to be any organized activist groups trying to figure out something that might even be reasonable or workable.

Something along the lines of righting specific wrongs, while also instituting some generalized anti-poverty programs is probably something that could get support in the democratic caucus and maybe gen pop... but someone has to propose it and make the case.

I’m thinking something like “special below-market financing for home buyers whose family  can be traced to neighborhoods affected by redlining” and “free college education for descendants of black soldiers denied GI Bill benefits”. Those things seem like reasonably able to be defined in a way that makes sense... but the idea of “giving each black person $200K cash” or whatever is completely unworkable logistically, economically, and politically. Nobody should even waste time arguing for it.

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« Reply #30718 on: March 02, 2019, 09:48:27 PM »
Andrew Yang wants to give everyone a $1000 monthly Freedom Dividend, but you can call it reparations if it makes you feel better

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« Reply #30719 on: March 02, 2019, 10:14:32 PM »
Rarely is the question asked, how can we make reparations politically viable under white minority rule?