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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #120 on: December 20, 2016, 02:17:25 PM »
i keep a subscription and I work on my backlog bc I'm a winner
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Bebpo

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #121 on: December 20, 2016, 10:11:19 PM »
I like how I play this so casually. I'm almost level 10 and I feel like I don't have to put all encompassing effort into playing this like I did with other mmo's.

I remember when I played WoW, it took me something like 50 or 100 hours to get to level 20? I don't remember but it was a lot of hours and I fondly remember getting my first mount after x hours play, but I'll probably be level 20 in this pretty quick with zero commitment.

Really like the story too.

When you realize that you should be doing the MSQ instead of the small time ! quests, things are a lot more fun. I did the magicked blade quest yesterday which I already did during my first trial. Voice acting in an MMO still blows my mind.

On one hand, that's cool because yeah that's how I see it too.  Otoh I wish you played more because I want to do some team stuff with you all.  Outside one night when Bu~~~~ and Positive Touch were on, I haven't seen anyone the whole 20+ hours I've played so far.  So just been running around solo and random stranger dungeons/guildheists.  Would be nice to see some people online sometime and join up.

Cindi Mayweather

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #122 on: December 20, 2016, 10:12:30 PM »
Every time I go on you're not there

Bebpo

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #123 on: December 20, 2016, 10:15:04 PM »
I've been on almost every night after 8pm!  Except for like Saturday and maybe Sunday night I think though I did play some on the weekend.  I'm thinking about finishing P5 tonight (at final final final boss last save), but if you want to play I'll play FFXIV tonight instead!

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #124 on: December 20, 2016, 10:18:43 PM »
Gonna grab some water and go on for a bit, if you go online look for me :)

Dickie Dee

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #125 on: December 20, 2016, 10:50:31 PM »
you can configure what shows up in your chat log. i assume you can also turn off novice chat there too.

i play as a blm which is fun but not for everyone. you can't move much and the level 60 combo is ridiculously complex, but once you get good you can burn the shit out of ANYTHING.

butt, nachobro, mamacint, what are your in-game names?

Are you guys permanently on Hyperion?

I got caught up with work shit the past week I haven't even touched a controller since whenever I last posted in this thread. Don't think I'll get to it until this weekend (oh shit Xmas)

Was actually thinking of buying it anyways since it's on sale on PSN this week but it's telling me that I both own and don't own the base game. Can't buy Heavensword either. Don't know if it's a trial D/L bug.
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #126 on: December 20, 2016, 10:51:42 PM »
yup forever on hyperion
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Dickie Dee

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2016, 10:53:11 PM »
Do you play with just a controller?
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2016, 11:04:59 PM »
Did hunting log rank 1 with my thermaturge to kill time waiting to see if anyone joins.  Got to lvl 9 so I'm right around your range queen if you wanna play.

Gonna go start a Puglist now at lvl.1 since I need to get to 15 for my ninja job.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #129 on: December 20, 2016, 11:09:01 PM »
controller and a usb keyboard is best

I'm trying to get out of bed to come play but I don't know if I'm gonna be successful
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Cindi Mayweather

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #130 on: December 20, 2016, 11:16:14 PM »
I'm at the movies Bebpo. No ff14 for me tonight

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #131 on: December 20, 2016, 11:23:00 PM »
I like how I play this so casually. I'm almost level 10 and I feel like I don't have to put all encompassing effort into playing this like I did with other mmo's.

I remember when I played WoW, it took me something like 50 or 100 hours to get to level 20? I don't remember but it was a lot of hours and I fondly remember getting my first mount after x hours play, but I'll probably be level 20 in this pretty quick with zero commitment.

Really like the story too.

When you realize that you should be doing the MSQ instead of the small time ! quests, things are a lot more fun. I did the magicked blade quest yesterday which I already did during my first trial. Voice acting in an MMO still blows my mind.
It's definitely more fun and enjoyable to level in FFXIV, but the level-time issue in WoW has gotten waaaay better than it used to be. I returned after years, and even the last levels 100-110 are not bad at all. Blizzard in general has gotten a lot more casual time friendly with many main features and such. Not too easy, but not too hard. (If you ignore the whole boost situation in D3, although everything is end-game focused there anyway.)

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #132 on: December 20, 2016, 11:30:14 PM »
Ok, another night then.

So in the time between my last post and this post I started a Pugilist and got halfway through lvl.5 just by doing the first class quest and hunting log enemies around the starting areas.  Probably took 15 mins.  I figure doing the lvl.5 class quest + the rest of rank 1 hunting log will get me to at least lvl.8 if not lvl.9 in another 15-25 mins and then do a battlelev or three and I'm at lvl.10.  Do lvl.10 class quest, rank 2 hunting log, lvl.10 guildheists and then I'm at level 15 no problem.

This is with the +100% xp armory bonus of using a lower-level 2nd class + 30% xp ring from finishing the hall of novice exercises. 

All told, it seems like if you know what you're doing you can go 1->15 in like 90 minutes, maybe 60 minutes, maybe closer to 2 hours.  That's...pretty good.  Definitely encourages me to try a ton of classes out and have more options for going into jobs.

It seems like if you know what job you want from the start, you can use MSQ to level your main class to 30 no problem, and then the above to get your second class to 15 in 1-2 hours and then you got your job.  Pretty quick and painless.  I imagine once you get your chocobo it goes even faster. 

Now I'm at a lvl.19 rogue, 18 gladiator, 9 thermaturge, 5 puglist, 4 marauder and lvl.5 maybe goldsmith.  I'm thinking I'll get my ninja job main, then have a warrior tank 2nd, and maybe do a white mage healer for 3rd job just to have one in each genre type?  How many classes/jobs fall into the healer type when queuing up for dungeons?

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #133 on: December 20, 2016, 11:42:10 PM »
conjurer/white mage, arcanist/summoner, and astrologan are healers
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #134 on: December 20, 2016, 11:46:39 PM »
you can configure what shows up in your chat log. i assume you can also turn off novice chat there too.

i play as a blm which is fun but not for everyone. you can't move much and the level 60 combo is ridiculously complex, but once you get good you can burn the shit out of ANYTHING.

butt, nachobro, mamacint, what are your in-game names?
I'm on a Japanese server (Atomos) because of ~timezones~, so unless you're awake evenings JST, there would be no point in the going to Hyperion. :( It's 2pm here and I can't play now, got stuff to do. I'm on my phone actually.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #135 on: December 21, 2016, 11:21:11 AM »
you can configure what shows up in your chat log. i assume you can also turn off novice chat there too.

i play as a blm which is fun but not for everyone. you can't move much and the level 60 combo is ridiculously complex, but once you get good you can burn the shit out of ANYTHING.

butt, nachobro, mamacint, what are your in-game names?
I'm Tacoface Delicioso but still on Excalibur for now. Once I finish FFXV this week I'll probably move over and relevel Bard to max. :)

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« Reply #136 on: December 22, 2016, 12:53:56 AM »
If you do go NIN Bebpo, make sure you level Lancer / DRG to 34 for Invigorate and Blood for Blood.

Plus, DRG's abilities just look really cool. You'll get DRG envy when you hit Heavensward anyway.

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« Reply #137 on: December 22, 2016, 03:52:29 AM »
Ok, so since I'm impatient and I have my starting Gladiator tank at around where my main Rogue is (I know this is not efficient since to get the +100% XP bonus your lower class needs to be 1 level or more below; so if you keep two classes constantly at the same level you end up leveling one twice as much as you need to), I'm playing as the Rogue for MSQs but anytime there is a dungeon or anything I need to queue I do that as my tank so I instantly get in instead of "ok, now wait for 30 minutes to get in for the next MSQ and you can't do any interesting cutscenes while you're in queue, and you can't change class and level your lower classes, so just go and whack some enemies and do some low xp quests for 30 minutes while you wait in queue"

But then I'm actually finding Gladiator tank a lot of fun in 4 person parties.  It's fun keeping enemies off of everyone and doing AoEs away from everyone.  Plus people appreciate that and it's nice to be appreciated  :-[  I'm also starting to get great loot in dungeons because no one wants to take the tank equip so I always get it.  I feel like tank class is super boring 1 on 1 in SP MSQs, but in a party it's a good class.  Rogue is a lot more fun 1 on 1 but DPS queues are lol

Also got my Pugilist to lvl.11 or 12.  Will definitely have it at 15 pretty soon, so once I hit 30 with my Rogue I can jump straight into Ninja.  Also got my Thermaturge to 10 so he can do some guildheists.

Got to the Golden Saucer.  Seems cool, will check it out next time I play.  But yeah, dungeons are a ton of fun and guildheists are kinda fun too.  I now see why MMOs are enjoyable, the group stuff with loot and teamwork and boss fights and interesting enemy setups is great rpg stuff.  Looking forward to all the rest of the dungeons and multiplayer boss fights.

If you do go NIN Bebpo, make sure you level Lancer / DRG to 34 for Invigorate and Blood for Blood.

Plus, DRG's abilities just look really cool. You'll get DRG envy when you hit Heavensward anyway.

34 seems like a lot of extra work considering I'm at lvl.1 w/Lancer and being at lvl.19 now with my Rogue/Gladiator the XP jumps between levels are getting big.  I need 50-60k xp to get to the next level and even MSQs are only paying out 7k.  But maybe.  I'll see.  I think when I finally hit 30 and get my real "job" I'll probably just wanna stick to it for a while.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #138 on: December 22, 2016, 10:22:58 AM »
The commendation system seems to help tenfold with keeping people cooperative and helpful. Likes are a hell of a drug.

And those two DRG abilities aren't strictly necessary but they are NIN's two best DPS cooldowns.

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« Reply #139 on: December 23, 2016, 02:41:52 AM »
So I'm noticing I'm getting way ahead of the MSQ levels.  Like each day I'm doing the duty roulette for guildheist & one for dungeon and between that and the hunting logs and MSQ getting a lot of xp!  Doesn't help the MSQs don't go up in level all that quickly.  I just did the 3rd dungeon, the copper mines and I'm lvl.22 now and that was like lvl.17 or 18.  Kinda impatient because I want the story quests to get to lvl.20 already so I can get my chocobo and grand company gameplay.  What's the point of buying a house and how much money do you need before you can even do stuff like that?  I still only have like 12,000 gil.

Did a some dungeons as my DPS rogue tonight and I'm not sure if I like it better than playing as a tank.  It's pretty fun being the team leader and engaging all the enemies.  I definitely think after I get my Ninja, the next job I'll go for is getting my Gladiator to a Warrior.

Oh, one thing that's really different about this game compared to single player rpgs is all my attacks are just 1 enemy.  So engaging a group means hitting one at a time.  At some point do you start getting AoE attacks with physical attackers that hit multiple enemies?  Is it only certain classes or is it just those kind of attacks don't appear in the < lvl.25 classes yet.

Cindi Mayweather

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #140 on: December 23, 2016, 02:51:29 AM »
How do I get my second job? I'm lv 10.

Bebpo

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« Reply #141 on: December 23, 2016, 03:01:05 AM »
Also at this point it's really the dungeons that are keeping me hooked and compelling me to want to play.  The MSQ stuff so far is kinda boring.  The exploration, surprisingly, I'm finding kinda sucks compared to a single player rpg.  You play something like Xenoblade or FFXII and you get to a big field or Skyrim or whatever and you just want to explore and find cool shit.  I don't get that feeling almost at all here.  You're kind of level limited (aka, this area you load into is now 20 levels higher) and when you do go to a new area exploring basically just finds you some encampments or a town with a bunch of filler-ish quests and generic NPCs.  There's no hidden dungeons you just stumble into since they're all story-based, and no great loot or anything.  Like there's just almost no compelling reason to explore and I find the game works a lot better when you just warp around doing the quests you want.  The warping around the world constantly also kinda takes away from exploring a bit since I'm mainly just fast traveling between points constantly.

But, the class quests are great and have a lot of character.  I find the NPC characters in the class quests are a lot more memorable than the MSQ characters I've run across who I can't even remember any of their names.  I think the class quests are a smaller scale and it's a lot more exciting and interesting, plus the missions are tuned around the abilities of your class which makes it more fun.  And then dungeons, dungeons are super super great and have sold me on the MMO genre.  Going through dungeons with other people, getting cool diablo-ish loot constantly, puzzles within dungeons, mini-bosses and then cool big bosses with cutscenes, these dungeons are so much fun.

So yeah, right now I'm playing for the dungeons and the class quests and kinda bearing the MSQ hoping it gets better as it unlocks more and more gameplay systems.  I'm also hoping that there are more cool things to do in the world that will be unlocked and be a lot of fun like dungeons and class quests like Primal fights and Grand Company stuff.  I've done a lot of the little quests around the world when I'm somewhere and the quests are around my level but it's all fairly boring go kill some enemies kinda stuff.  Also the quests that make you use emotes are not fun.  I've learned to bind the emote needed to the quickbar but before that when I was fighting with a controller and then had to quickly type /soothe before the enemy dies on a kb was annoying and there have been like half a dozen quests using soothe so far.

The music is great, it's really grown on me.  Definitely like the town tunes and the main battle theme.

How do I get my second job? I'm lv 10.

Now you can go to any guild in the world and do the blue+ quest at the entrance of each guild and you get that job.  This applies to non-combat jobs as well.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #142 on: December 23, 2016, 09:25:13 PM »
BITCHES THEY JUST ANNOUNCED YASUMI FUCKING MATSUNO IS DESIGNING THE 4.0 RAID AND ITS CALLED "RETURN TO  IVALICE" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #143 on: December 23, 2016, 09:41:52 PM »
BITCHES THEY JUST ANNOUNCED YASUMI FUCKING MATSUNO IS DESIGNING THE 4.0 RAID AND ITS CALLED "RETURN TO  IVALICE" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Glad I jumped in!

Wait, what's 4.0?  What's a raid? 
PT can you answer some of my Qs from my last 2 posts?  I still have a lot to learn about FFXIV!  Thnx.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #144 on: December 23, 2016, 09:44:01 PM »
oops i meant to answer that stuff earlier sorry hold on
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Bebpo

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #145 on: December 23, 2016, 09:45:09 PM »
My first "MMO Story":  Me and this other guy get auto-matched into a 4 person party.  2 people drop including the healer and tank.  We sit and wait like 10 mins for it to add new members and the other guy tells me it can take a while at this time of night (when is a good time to find people in dungeons?), so I'm like "can we just do it 2p?" and he's like well we can give it a try.  And so we charge in and have life and death battles against a few bats and then we get to a part with 3 enemies locking on to us and he dies horribly and then I die horribly and we respawn and we're like "well, at least we tried /shrug" and then we quit out.

oops i meant to answer that stuff earlier sorry hold on

No rush, I honestly feel bad about asking you so many questions :(

Actually re-reading my posts I think I just had one question about if you get AoE attacks on melee characters at some point?  Oh and the point of buying a house and how to do it and about how much that costs?

Cindi Mayweather

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #146 on: December 23, 2016, 09:55:18 PM »
BITCHES THEY JUST ANNOUNCED YASUMI FUCKING MATSUNO IS DESIGNING THE 4.0 RAID AND ITS CALLED "RETURN TO  IVALICE" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

FF12-2 continues!

Positive Touch

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« Reply #147 on: December 23, 2016, 09:55:23 PM »
the story gets cooler as you go, but some of the quests in the 20s suck compete ass. like, everything with titan. literally NO ONE likes that part.

uhhh let's see...

houses cost millions of dollars and there's limited plus available. it's strictly a "for fun" thing. you have to craft /buy furniture yourself. you can also build an airship and sent that out to get items. if you're in an fc, they can buy a house that you all share.

single target vs group depends on what dps class you're playing as. i think monk and dragoon focus on single targets.

if you think the dungeons are cool now, whoahmg wait till you see what's later. there is some wild boss fights in this game, and tons of variety. the extreme versions of bosses can take you days to learn and then complete bc they're so damn tough. at the last fan fest they interviewed some of the boss designers, and it turns out that most of the best ones were designed by this one young guy. i forget his name rn, but he is absolutely someone to watch whenever he moves on from ff14. a master of Japanese-style (as in, build a scenario around the pc's abilities) game design.

4.0 is the upcoming Stormblood expansion. 3.0 is Heavensward, 2.0 is a Realm Reborn, and 1.0 was the canceled pos.
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #148 on: December 23, 2016, 09:56:29 PM »
don't feel bad about asking questions! i love taking about this game!
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #149 on: December 23, 2016, 10:00:24 PM »
the story gets cooler as you go, but some of the quests in the 20s suck compete ass. like, everything with titan. literally NO ONE likes that part.

uhhh let's see...

houses cost millions of dollars and there's limited plus available. it's strictly a "for fun" thing. you have to craft /buy furniture yourself. you can also build an airship and sent that out to get items. if you're in an fc, they can buy a house that you all share.

single target vs group depends on what dps class you're playing as. i think monk and dragoon focus on single targets.

if you think the dungeons are cool now, whoahmg wait till you see what's later. there is some wild boss fights in this game, and tons of variety. the extreme versions of bosses can take you days to learn and then complete bc they're so damn tough. at the last fan fest they interviewed some of the boss designers, and it turns out that most of the best ones were designed by this one young guy. i forget his name rn, but he is absolutely someone to watch whenever he moves on from ff14. a master of Japanese-style (as in, build a scenario around the pc's abilities) game design.

4.0 is the upcoming Stormblood expansion. 3.0 is Heavensward, 2.0 is a Realm Reborn, and 1.0 was the canceled pos.

-What's an FC?  Is that the linkshell?  Like am I part of the bore's FC?
-Do you know any melee classes that aren't single target?  I'd like to swing an axe or sword and hit all the enemies around me like a fighter class in Diablo.
-Speaking of which, people have little icons by their name?  What's that?
-So the dungeons and game gets tougher?  Cool.  In the first few, most of the time I'm partied with like 3 people who are lvl.60 down-synced to lvl.17/18/19/20 and the healer keeps everyone at full health and the tank keeps enemies occupied and it's pretty tough to ever be in any danger.  I'm guessing when you hit max level shit gets real and it's all about unique loot and great strategies to win as a team.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #150 on: December 23, 2016, 10:01:28 PM »
oh and a raid is... kind of a loosely-used term in this game,but generally it refers to the optional multiplayer levels. there's extreme versions of bosses, raids with 24 players in them, and 8-man raids that have a bunch of short but extremely hard levels. after you beat the 2.0 story you'll be able to take on these large side stories that will unlock various raids. you can then do the same thing after you beat heavenswards main story.
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #151 on: December 23, 2016, 10:06:44 PM »
fc is a Free Company. a linkshell is more like a chat room. you can only belong to one fc at a time. it also has its own chat channel, plus lots of other bonuses: a shared company chest, the ability to buy a house together, different bonuses that can be activated like extra battle exp, etc. i can invite you to mine if you want. I'm new to it too, but i know a few of the people in it and they're very nice and helpful. it can be pretty quiet a lot tho.

as for dps... lemme ask around. i play black mage and bard which both have a lot of aoe attacks, but ofc they're ranged. I'll see if there's melee ones.
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Bebpo

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #152 on: December 23, 2016, 10:13:17 PM »
Oh and another question.  So Heavensword introduced 3 new jobs that start at lvl.30 and have no prior specific job required.  Does this mean that they don't have access to other class skills besides the cross-class skills?  Like with a NIN from what I understand I get ALL of Rogue's abiltities + Puglist's abiltiies + NIN's abilities which is a lot of stuff + cross-class skills.  But if the new jobs are only New job abilities + cross-class skills it would seem like their skill pool would be kinda limited, but I guess maybe made up for by more powerful skills in their job path?  I'm thinking about maybe doing the Dark Knight instead of Warrior which is why I'm asking.  Once I hit 30 I'll have a lot of questions about higher level jobs. 

Also am I correct in thinking that every time an expansion roles around now, if the new jobs start at lvl.30 that lots of level 60 players will drop back to lvl.30 to play the new jobs, so you'll see tons of players in the 30-70 range, but 1-30 will be kinda ghost town and that is why it's kinda ghost town sometimes for the 1-30 game I'm playing now?  Aka, after lvl.30 should I find more and more players as I get closer to 50-60?

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #153 on: December 23, 2016, 10:15:17 PM »
so ninja and mini have a few aoe abilities it seems...

generally aoe is just good for trash mobs in dungeons. once you get to the boss fights you'll want to use all your most brutal single-target attacks. you'll learn what the most effective combos are as you try to keep buffs going and rotate different abilities as you wait for others to cool down. eventually pulling off some crazy convos will be nothing but muscle memory and you'll be able to crush anything (as long as you know the mechanics of each boss fight lol)
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #154 on: December 23, 2016, 10:34:01 PM »
noooo, ninja won't have all those abilities. once you hit level 30 with a class you have option to upgrade it to a normal Final Fantasy job. like pugilist becomes monk, thaumaturge becomes black mage, rogue becomes ninja, etc. the upgraded version is the same damn thing, you just get to do more quests that will get you some new abilities. afaik most of the cross-class skills you can use are buff/debuff stuff, tho there are exceptions.

new heavensward jobs just skip the whole class part and jump straight to the job. you'll have a whole bunch of abilities at your disposal as soon as you unlock them. the new expansion seems like it will start new classes at 50.

most players play old levels through the daily roulettes. the downtime you're experiencing is more likely due to people taking a break from the game before the next expansion. you'll always have long queue times as a dps tho, because everyone plays a a dps.
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #155 on: December 23, 2016, 10:59:20 PM »
I don't much about the casters but AoE abilities are kinda spammy. For NIN you basically spam one ability and throw in Doton and Katon Mudras when you can.

Just wait until you get your first Mudras :aah

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #156 on: December 23, 2016, 11:01:51 PM »
 I'm sorry I haven't played with y'all, needed to take a bit of a break with FFXIV and the trudge back to high levels is going to pretty long.

 I should try getting on this next week though.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #157 on: December 23, 2016, 11:09:31 PM »
BITCHES THEY JUST ANNOUNCED YASUMI FUCKING MATSUNO IS DESIGNING THE 4.0 RAID AND ITS CALLED "RETURN TO  IVALICE" FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

FF12-2 continues!

poor revenant wings :(
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #158 on: December 24, 2016, 01:37:18 AM »

Cindi Mayweather

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #159 on: December 24, 2016, 02:59:13 AM »
played for an hour, friended bebpo, he showed me where i can find gear shop. then i got invited to an FC that is full of FF8 fanatics (the name of the FC is Balamb Olive Garden) so i feel right at home. First real time getting social in the game. When I was a teen I could do nothing but fishing and chatting with friends play ff11. but these days I'm more about business and just doing missions, so it was refreshing and nostalgic.

also had to explain to bebpo, as this is his first mmo, that mmo's aren't usually this user friendly. He said when you get to a new city and attune you can port there any time, but mmo's aren't usually like that. At least, the ones I'm used to. In FFXI if you want to go to another city or continent you had to take an airship or travel by boat and hope you survived the onslaught. And if you wanted to go back to the old place you were at you had to travel back allllll the way to that airship/boat/whatever, same in WoW I think. bebpo doesn't know how good he's got it. This game is completely absent the old school mmo grind and it's mind blowing to me. He told you can travel across the world at level 14, and again, that shit blows my fucking mind. You wouldn't leave your starter area until like level 20 or something in an oldschool 2000's era mmo. Jesus Christ. This game is MADE for working adults. :bow
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« Reply #160 on: December 24, 2016, 05:42:34 AM »
So I spent most of the whole night in Golden Saucer after doing the intro tour quest.  Most of the time playing Triple Triad.  Game is good stuff.  I also tried Lord of Vermillon and it was so terrible I will never do that again!  The 1gil games are kinda fun.  And I bought a chocobo and raced it against other people!  And I won first place in my first race even though I'm terrible at it because someone used some item against me that caused my chocobo to rage and keep running at full speed which killed the endurance, but I literally ran out of endurance 1 step from the finish line so it actually made me run past everyone else and win  :lol  WAS AWESOME. 



Dunkles Akane is my chocobro

I like the mini-lotto one you can do 3 times a day, put my dibs in for the full lotto.  I tried a GATE quest but I didn't get it at all.  I was delivering items to 3 people and I'd just auto lose suddenly while running at some point -_-

I like how the casino is setup.  The announcements that things are constantly going on and people everywhere is super cool.  As my first MMO this is really neat!  I just wish there were more NPCs to play Triple Triad against.  I'm afraid to start playing against other humans because I figure everyone is level 50-60 and has amazing decks and I have no chance.  I googled it a bit and I see there are other people in the world you can play against and there are local rules for each city which is neat.  Collecting cards is fun.

So MGP...you know, the little 20-30 MGP you can win, or even a few 100 MGP you can win all seems meaningless when challenges get you like $10,000 MGP.  I was struggling to get to 600 MGP to buy my first Triple Triad card and then I finished some challenges while I was doing stuff and suddenly I had $20,000 MGP and bought a bunch of cards.

Back in the story, still not at lvl.20 MSQs yet.  I unlocked dyes and retainers.  Retainers are nice and just in time because I was starting to run out of space with weapons, so now I have storage box people, yay.  I got my Puglist to lvl.16 along the way and Gladiator to lvl.20.  So now I have a lvl.5 character (Marauder), lvl.10 character (Thermatuge), lvl.15 character (Puglist), lvl.20 character (Gladiator) and soon lvl.25 character (Rogue) that I can change to and play with people and be around their level like Queen of Ice.  Also got to about lvl.5 in Cooking and Goldsmith just for something different to try them out.

Thanks for explaining the lvl.30 job upgraded PT.  So since I won't get access to all of the Pugilist skills with my Ninja, I guess there's no point in taking my Puglist past the 15 requirement.


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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #161 on: December 24, 2016, 11:03:40 AM »
MMOs have definitely moved past the XI ways of taking an hour and a half just to get to a quest location. Even XI has mostly. Quality of life is king.

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« Reply #162 on: December 24, 2016, 01:32:00 PM »
Picked up Heavensward in anticipation since it was $9.99 on the steam sale.  Does it come with an additional free month?  Or is that only a base game thing?

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« Reply #163 on: December 24, 2016, 01:55:28 PM »
no additional free month sorry :/
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« Reply #164 on: December 24, 2016, 03:44:47 PM »
I totally lost my password and went scrounging around in a old external hard drive to find it for the Bore. :(

I main Scholar (257), Ninja (250), and Bard (247) if anyone has any rotation questions for those! Ninja was my first job and I really enjoyed it because it sped up the gcd if I had a Huton on. Mudras make the job work so well.  :drool

This game is MADE for working adults. :bow
You know, I felt the same kinda thing when I first started playing? I used to tell Sunblade, "oh no I can't play this I have no time i have school and hospital work and all that shit". I have a ton of time and it's really easy to level up quickly (especially now that they buffed XP for each quest in the MSQ I think).  Go at your own pace, etc.  I eventually got everything to 60 even when I was busy or not playing every day.

Lemme know when you're on on Twitter so you don't have to play alone.  I'll just follow you around and heal you if you need it like last time.

Also we have a Bore Linkshell on Hyperion. Let me (Asha Sunblade), Onix Sunblade, or Positive Touch know if you want in.

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« Reply #165 on: December 24, 2016, 06:11:44 PM »
Did my first trial in the MSQ, was ok.  I mean I guess I was expecting something a little harder.  Also, no loot is kinda a bummer (unless I missed something because I was in a cutscene?).  I mean for bosses where the fight is literally, tank sitting in front, healer healing tank, for the other 2 people you're just punching on a big HP bar that can't do anything back.  Yeah at the end Ifrit started doing AoE attacks on his back but they were easy to dodge.  Since trials are just straight up boss fights, no dungeons or anything, I'd like them to be intense and tough.

Also had my first bad experience with a random match-making party.  Was doing a sidequest that had a dungeon (cool) as a tank and ran into two problems.  1 was a healer not healing me constantly so I was struggling to stay alive while pulling aggro and 2 there was some high level 60 on every job player who thought they were so good they can just run ahead as a mage and take care of everything themselves...and then they come running back with like 6 enemies on them which I pull off and immediately die -_- But mainly, my understanding is that if you're a Tank the most important person in your party is your healer keeping you alive.  Like just tank+healer could probably make it through most stuff on their own even though it'd take a while since Tank damage is weak.  If you're DPS/Healer the most important person is your tank because they keep the enemies from attacking you and killing you faster than you can heal.

Had a pretty long wait for the trial match-making (was instant with my tank on the dungeon), so since I've kind of run out of SP things to do while waiting in queues since I don't want to just grind enemies on the overworld and these small quests are all pretty boring, luckily I've found that I can just hang in the Golden Saucer and gamble while waiting on my queue.  Pretty much more fun than anything else I can do.  I guess I could do FATEs but I'm not sure where the ones around my level always are, and I'm getting really bored of playing FATEs solo.  It's really rare when I actually run into an active FATE and there's some people fighting and I join up.  When that actually happens, especially when it's a big boss FATE, it's basically a mini-trial and pretty fun.

What was the big deal with Mamash?  Are you guys all lvl.60 and it's just a lvl.50 mob?

Oh, I did the MSQ that took me to the Materia goblin!  I learned how to break down my old 100% spirit-bonded eqp into Materia.  Couple questions.  How do I put the materia into my equipment that has materia empty slots?  I couldn't figure it out at all so I have all this materia but no idea how to use it.  Also is there any way to see what kind of materia a piece of equipment is going to turn into?  Like I want some DEX+1 since I'm Rogue, but I broke down like 10 things and got mainly VIT/STR/CRIT+

So the next story quest is the choose a Grand Company quest so I'm looking forward to the new stuff that'll open up.  At this point is there anything else I should be doing while waiting for queues on MSQs that require them (or new Guildheists?).  I'm around lvl.24.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #166 on: December 24, 2016, 06:52:17 PM »
you can't decide what materia your equipment will turn into, although each type of equipment will only turn into a few certain types of materia i.e. mage clothes will turn into spell-boosting materia.

you meld materia you have 3 options:
-have a crafter class that corresponds with the material the item is made of, and have your class at the same level as the equipment
-find someone else who meets these requirements
-go to the guy labeled "materia melder" in the market at a major city and pay him to do it for you

there isn't much else to do now while you wait on the queue I think. tbh i usually just play on my phone while I wait.

that big ass monster we were fighting was a hunt. they rarely  pop up on each map and are extremely powerful and most require a team to kill. killing one gets you various types of special currency.  the one we were fighting is notorious bc he can turn everyone in the area to stone for 30+ seconds. he sucks.
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« Reply #167 on: December 24, 2016, 07:04:14 PM »
Taking a break, the more I think about it, the more I'm not sure FFXIV is for me in the long term.  Like it was really fun at first when it was all new, and then I got to change classes and it was fun, and then lvl.15 unlocked a bunch of stuff like dungeons and golden saucer and that was fun.  But where I'm at now about 36 hours in after 2 weeks, it feels like the MSQ are holding me back.  Like if I could just go do stuff and then gain levels and then go do new higher level dungeons I think it'd pace a lot better.  But for the most part the dungeons and a lot of the gameplay systems are locked behind MSQ progression and the MSQ is honestly just really slow paced and boring.  Before going in I wanted a big fleshed out single player story like an FF sp game.  But now I think I'd rather the main stories in these MMOs be short and leave you free to spend most of your time doing sidequests and sidestuff.

Like if i I had to rate how I'm liking the game now, it'd be like an 8/10 rpg.  Some great stuff, but a lot of running and whacking on things and going through motions waste of time as well.  I have this sneaking feeling that the real game is at lvl.50, or now because of Heavensward at lvl.60.  Because once everyone is level capped, and they keep increasing the difficulty it comes down to loot + strategy and that sounds a hell of a lot more fun than the press button to win gameplay for the last 30 hours.  I mean the closest game I've played to an MMO was playing through Diablo 3 at launch with The Bore.  That was fun and exciting and we were all around the same level and we'd get loot and toss stuff on the ground for others to take and it was good times.  in FFXIV I joined up and met with Queen of Ice but because our levels were far apart there was not much I could actually do with Queen.  I couldn't even give some equip around her level because most of my equip was untradeable.  We couldn't co-op MSQs, and it was like well I guess we can do some fates or small quest or leves or something, but for being a social game it felt like there wasn't much we could do co-op.  I'd imagine if I play with you guys who are level 60 it's pretty similar.  Like until you get to endgame where everyone is the same level (but even then you have item level differences), it feels like you mostly just play it solo with strangers matchmaking in dungeons.  But the solo is pretty boring.

I dunno, I think I'll play a bit more and do Grand Company and get my Chocobo and maybe I'll join a Free Company that you guys are in (what do you have to do in your free company?), but I can see myself getting burned out/bored by 50 hours and only being halfway through the MSQ.  Like as I was fighting Ifrit and doing fates I kept thinking I'd rather play FFXV (or a different SP rpg) and do it there with better pacing and having more control over my teammates.

that big ass monster we were fighting was a hunt. they rarely  pop up on each map and are extremely powerful and most require a team to kill. killing one gets you various types of special currency.  the one we were fighting is notorious bc he can turn everyone in the area to stone for 30+ seconds. he sucks.

Oh, that sounds fun.  I'm guessing this is a lvl.50/60 thing?

Cindi Mayweather

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #168 on: December 24, 2016, 07:25:01 PM »
I've been busy this week. Blame me more than the game.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #169 on: December 24, 2016, 07:46:19 PM »
you're absolutely right that the "real" game starts at 50. there's tons of content, stuff to unlock and grind for, etc. dunno what to tell you about what to do till then. it's a common complaint that it takes too damn long to go through the msq and there is no way around it. they're finally implementing a skip but who knows when that'll be ready. honestly if you focus on nothing but the msq you can do it relatively fast, but it'll still prolly take a week or two.
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« Reply #170 on: December 24, 2016, 08:20:21 PM »
Yeah, at this point I'm just focusing on running through the MSQ and doing my class quests.  I'm not even bothering with the duty roulettes because I have too much xp already and the MSQ is too easy.  Would you say I'm about 1/3rd through the Realm Reborn MSQ?

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #171 on: December 24, 2016, 08:29:03 PM »
Yeah, at this point I'm just focusing on running through the MSQ and doing my class quests.  I'm not even bothering with the duty roulettes because I have too much xp already and the MSQ is too easy.  Would you say I'm about 1/3rd through the Realm Reborn MSQ?
There's 184 MSQ in 2.0 and 100 in 2.X

 That's kinda why I was urging you to go do MSQ, you would complete them by doing things you normally do at that same player level and you could finish class quests or your hunt/challenge log why you wait for dungeons to pop.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #172 on: December 24, 2016, 08:39:14 PM »
at the part where you join a grand company? yeah that's prolly 1/3 of the way thru. there's a lot of msq between 2.0 and heavensward with a lot of running back and forth, but you have all the extra dungeons and raids and whatnot to go thru too so it keep you interested.
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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #173 on: December 24, 2016, 08:44:34 PM »
FUCK I CAN'T BELIEVE MATSUNO IS WORKING ON THIS GAME I'M SO EXXXXCITED
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Bebpo

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #174 on: December 24, 2016, 08:59:40 PM »
Yeah, at this point I'm just focusing on running through the MSQ and doing my class quests.  I'm not even bothering with the duty roulettes because I have too much xp already and the MSQ is too easy.  Would you say I'm about 1/3rd through the Realm Reborn MSQ?
There's 184 MSQ in 2.0 and 100 in 2.X

 That's kinda why I was urging you to go do MSQ, you would complete them by doing things you normally do at that same player level and you could finish class quests or your hunt/challenge log why you wait for dungeons to pop.

Cant do class quests while in queues because most, at least with rogue, are story based and instanced. 

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #175 on: December 24, 2016, 10:15:08 PM »
It's definitely worth it to just focus on MSQ and the Class / Job quests on your first Class. There's a loooot of shit to do in this game and not all of it is worth the time.

MSQ picks up a lot closer to 50 and doesn't really let up. 2.1 is kinda meh, but doesn't take too long.

Bebpo

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #176 on: December 24, 2016, 10:17:53 PM »
The problem is that the MSQ is boring in the early levels so you need to do side stuff to get some variety going and keep it interesting.  I don't even care about xp and gaining levels anymore, I just want varied fun things to do.

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #177 on: December 24, 2016, 10:18:27 PM »
2.4 :rejoice

iceheart :rejoice
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Cindi Mayweather

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Re: I got FFXIV
« Reply #178 on: December 24, 2016, 10:21:11 PM »
I don't find MSQ boring at all. There's a lot of mystery going on with my story and especially the archer story. Maybe mage MSQ just sux

Bebpo

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« Reply #179 on: December 24, 2016, 10:24:30 PM »
Actually I think part of it is I just need to get to some new locations.  In the first 5-10 hours I'd mapped out the 3 areas around UlDah (West/Central/East) and in the next 5 I'd done the same for Limsa Loma (Upper/Middle/Lower) and so far all the MSQs have just been going around the locations in them.  I know there's still a good chunk of the world map I haven't even stepped foot into and I think seeing some fresh new areas soon will make it more exciting.

I don't find MSQ boring at all. There's a lot of mystery going on with my story and especially the archer story. Maybe mage MSQ just sux

The story has nothing to do with your Archer class :P  That's your class quest line and I really like those!  The MSQ is a generic main story pathline everyone does though from what I gather there are 3 slightly varied versions depending on your starting town (ie, the same stuff happens but with a different local cast in a different location).

2.4 :rejoice

iceheart :rejoice

Is 2.4 Heavensward?  I don't know what numbers mean after 2.0 being Realm Reborn lol