Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[Transhuman]

I'm not going to stop talking about it until Opiate is gone. Sorry not sorry.

You have any proof he's that other guy? Otherwise he stay.

[tummyfat]

 

Meet the Man Who Singlehandedly Brought Down Neogaf

[nachobro]

He is filling in for Roman Reigns, so.

Exactly, so we'll get an Angle lock and a slam instead of a spear and I'll be pleased as punch. WOOOOOOAHHHHHH!

[FreeNudeLyleLanley]

someone please like this post. none of my posts on here were ever liked by anyone.

Maybe if you mentioned Bobby robberts.

who?

 

[agrajag]

Tweet error (does not exist)

https://twitter.com/pewdiepie/status/922092593592373248

It's pretty funny watching all of neogaf's former targets reveling in its demise

I have to admit, I never liked PDP but I subscribed after watching a few of his new vids about the constant witchhunting against him by these fucking loons. The guy is very different than he used to be a decade ago, I kind of like him now.

Oh no! He blurted out a bad word in a moment of frustration! HANG. HIM.

You're the kind of trash that justifies neogaf's harsh moderation policy.

Nothing justifies neogaf's "moderation" "policy."

FOH with that shit, this is not the place for that.

Keeping out racists and apologists so people other than white people can feel welcome on the forum doesn't justify it? What other site of GAF's size were as free from racist insults, innuendos and justifications?

Ok, let's expand on that. I put the words moderation and policy in separate quotations for a reason.

The moderation on GAF was a farce that followed no consistent policy whatsoever. Certain posters were given a free pass for horrendous behavior because they were "a voice that needed to be heard" (i.e. a minority). So one mod specifically admitted to an online forum version of affirmative action even though that's nowhere to be found in the TOS. They constantly cherry-picked when to follow the TOS, and never punished the folks that were abusing the TOS that were "on the right side of history." They constantly banned posters simply for having "bad opinions," though there's no creed or rule book outlining this policy. On top of that, GAF fostered and encouraged a toxic culture of piling on on "problematic" posters with the bloodlust of Lord of the Flies characters until said problematic posters would get banned. This further revealed itself in the disturbing hero worship of the internet garbage men such as Bish.

Listen, if you lament GAF's moderation practices and overall culture, you really haven't learned anything. And you won't find that here. The mods here will not ban you, because you are entitled to your opinions, even if you are an idiot.

If there's anything to be learned from GAF is that you shouldn't be an extremist, whatever side of the coin your ideologies fall on. It's fine to have your ideals, but some of the guys and gals on GAF were way too much and some of you guys are bringing that crap attitude here. Maybe try not being so judgmental or you might end up milkshake ducking yourself into oblivion.

[Eteric]

we also not gonna defend pdp here saying that shit because it's not the first time he's got in trouble for bullshit like this. Do you regularly blurt out foul shit at your work place when you get frustrated? No? Why? Because there are consequences right? Then lets hold someone with a massive audience of children accountable please. He knows better, he can fucking do better.

I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't have gotten shit for it. But the reaction was insane and over the top.

[Tasty]

Let’s pretend that he actually is a pedophile: do you think justice can be brought down upon him via arguing with him on the internet? He’s not gonna come out and say “lol shit guys you caught me! i like to diddle kids!” It just makes more sense to ignore him.

I don't want justice or any of that shit. I just don't want to see any of his posts, ever. If he's here, I'm out. He's only going to invite more of his type and that's not a forum I want to be associated with.

The intensity of your post is straight up shades of Amirox.
 

Fiction is good people and I just find Opiate insufferable in general aside from all this.

[injusticeforall]

I was a semiactive neogaf poster for 3 or 4 years. I consider myself a liberal, feminist and pro LGBT. Since gamergate I feared to express my opinion on Neogaf. There was no middle-ground. Questioning "commercial Victims" (you know the type, who have Patreon sites being a professional victim of harassment of white males) got you banned. So even if you wanted to discuss the militarization of Feminism and the wrong road it is going, you couldn't because you were automatically a rapist racist.

It got even more militant last year. Suddenly everything that didn't fit into the narrative was harassment. Asking a Dev why we should kickstart his new game when he didn't finish his last, suddenly was a "harassment campaign" and the users gamergators. On the other hand, there was a thread this week trying to get an Obsidian dev fired because he didn't know a shitty meme is considered offensive for trans people and this is suddenly not harassment.

And I can't even fathom, that, according to Opiate, the mods are primarily PC first when PC threads are invaded and shit on, or PC focused youtubers get shit on and nothing happens to the users. But try to do this shit in a sony or nintendo thread and you get permed.

Your best action is to just live your life the best you can according to your own ethics, and try to avoid making your dogma fit into a group or under someone's public persona.

GAF fosters this unrealistic reality of trying to judge everyone and everything, and it's exhausting. I don't see how people live their lives like it - figuring out which business or media to frequent based on how much it mimics their point of view. Do I not buy this game from that studio because someone is accused of harassment there? Do I not go to this business because of their issues with their treatment of their labor force?

I don't know how people keep this all straight. And I've hear the terms 'GamerGate' and 'Social Justice Warrior' a few thousand times and I've yet to figure out what exactly each are. And when an argument occurs over it, it's little more than one side saying the other is this or that, and then denying it and throwing back other accusations.

The best advice I've heard was George Carlin before he died. Become an observer. I don't know if I would go so far as to say get a ticket to the circus and sit back and watch, which was his view, but I think you shouldn't be concerned trying to fit in or understand general group terminology.

[Tasty]

Nah, Andrex is right.  NeoGAF became a pedophile haven because they allowed pedophiles to run wild around the forum.  It's a slippery slope: one day Opiate is posting and the next day there will be a debate on ephebophiles vs. pedophiles.  You got to snuff that shit out at the beginning.

we also not gonna defend pdp here saying that shit because it's not the first time he's got in trouble for bullshit like this. Do you regularly blurt out foul shit at your work place when you get frustrated? No? Why? Because there are consequences right? Then lets hold someone with a massive audience of children accountable please. He knows better, he can fucking do better.

#SignalBoosting these two posts cause they're pretty much key to keeping the Bore a semblance of the great place it used to be before it got taken over by this new wave of GAF idiots.

[Stoney Mason]

For what its worth to a degree I feel sorry for the mods. I understand the connection to the community and wanting to do right by them even in a fucked up situation that GAF was.


The mods were horrible back in the day but the moderaters in current years have been pretty good.

Evilore was the original sin. You could never fix that site with him in charge. He was a thin-skinned, nonprogressive, petty tyrant. GAF had ALOT of problems. We all know this. In a way this all good that this happened. The site will splinter off now and lots of the community will form different sites that hopefully learn from what not to do from there. And take the good elements that it did do right.

[Maiden Voyage]

Ok, let's expand on that. I put the words moderation and policy in separate quotations for a reason.

The moderation on GAF was a farce that followed no consistent policy whatsoever. Certain posters were given a free pass for horrendous behavior because they were "a voice that needed to be heard" (i.e. a minority). So one mod specifically admitted to an online forum version of affirmative action even though that's nowhere to be found in the TOS. They constantly cherry-picked when to follow the TOS, and never punished the folks that were abusing the TOS that were "on the right side of history." They constantly banned posters simply for having "bad opinions," though there's no creed or rule book outlining this policy. On top of that, GAF fostered and encouraged a toxic culture of piling on on "problematic" posters with the bloodlust of Lord of the Flies characters until said problematic posters would get banned. This further revealed itself in the disturbing hero worship of the internet garbage men such as Bish.

Listen, if you lament GAF's moderation practices and overall culture, you really haven't learned anything. And you won't find that here. The mods here will not ban you, because you are entitled to your opinions, even if you are an idiot.

If there's anything to be learned from GAF is that you shouldn't be an extremist, whatever side of the coin your ideologies fall on. It's fine to have your ideals, but some of the guys and gals on GAF were way too much and some of you guys are bringing that crap attitude here. Maybe try not being so judgmental or you might end up milkshake ducking yourself into oblivion.

Amen.

GAF was awful. I received one ban in my time there for having the wrong opinion. I didn't go back because I knew it was a matter of time before I would get permabanned.

[Coax]

I'm not going to stop talking about it until Opiate is gone. Sorry not sorry.

Let’s pretend that he actually is a pedophile: do you think justice can be brought down upon him via arguing with him on the internet? He’s not gonna come out and say “lol shit guys you caught me! i like to diddle kids!” It just makes more sense to ignore him.

If we go through this a little I mean, either bodhesatva is in fact exclusively Opiate's alt handle for the results online (there don't appear to be that many using it) or it was for just for one or possibly two accounts. One where he used his selfie (if the post ID'ing the selfie from GAF in 2013 is accurate), and people appear to believe on another site where a user by the same handle mentions in 2007 they worked at Toys R Us (the profile matches the college Opiate said he went to which is possibly what this is based on, perhaps also hazel colored eyes though that's unclear from the photo). The flickr account shares the same handle but is there much other info about that specific user? Link seems to be based mostly on the handle in that case.

I don't know or care about the Flickr shit. He told a friend she couldn't participate in a discussion because she's the victim of child abuse. Fuck outta here with that shit.

There's that, yeah.

[hungrynoob]

You can take people out of GAF, you cant take the GAF out of the people. The poison lives on.

[trh]

Bitching at the moderation of a forum for not sticking to their ToS or having flimsy rules makes you a fuckboy.

[Tasty]

I'm not going to stop talking about it until Opiate is gone. Sorry not sorry.

You have any proof he's that other guy? Otherwise he stay.

I don't know or care about the Flickr shit. He told a friend she couldn't participate in a discussion because she's the victim of child abuse. Fuck outta here with that shit.

[SantaC]

Pewdiepie 1
Evilore 0

[daemon]

Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

It was a borderline distinguished mentally-challenged place where people took a powertrip on regulating discussion in a manner a moderator isn't supposed to. Have you seen debates with moderators? Their function is to assure that one party isn't getting all the saying putting the other one into submission. GAF moderators were simply policy regulators, and their presence halted interesting conversations because you didn't know if besada found out he had no morning snack before reading your post.

NeoGAF was a site for petulant people who believed having an email gave them some sort of status. There were some healthy communities, but also some other very destructive and xenophobic ones personally endorsed by moderation. The fact Lime or Angelus (20+ bans) lasted that long is something you can't paint any way but complete bias to the point you're not interested in any sort of decent conversation, as these two just barged in threads to destroy them.

[samfish]

This circus is still going strong, I see

[ModernBoxes]

Exodust was right. The roll of the media articles will do it in.

[Switters]

This thread is starting to read like the former hardcore gaming website NeoGAF.

 

Why the fuck I got GAF gold? I registered months ago biatch.

[D3RANG3D]

Call a place full of people attacking the ACLU “left”, brehs.

Would you rather the term alt-left?  I realize that using the terms 'left' and 'right' can be broad and meaningless in the current political landscape, but make no doubt that anti free speech rhetoric these days is coming squarely from the left.

Nah, a lot of the extreme tumblr-esque left sure love policing every single thing you say and do but let's not act like your alt-right idiots aren't the same by running to their safe spaces and crying foul if someone dares shit on Nazis. Just look at how some reacted to the new Wolfenstein game.

I'm talking about being against the legal definition of free speech with respect to being anti-ACLU.  Political winds change, and i'm not saying that 'the right' can't do the same, but right now and in the recent past its factions on the left that are literally against free speech.  Saying that something shouldn't exist in a video game isn't the same thing, though I realize it's essentially going against the spirit of free speech.

Still nah on this, breh. being anti-ACLU is idiotic but I won't act like the alt-right aren't limiting free speech themselves(criticizing or even dogpiling someone for using racial slurs falls under free speech as well). Dislike how dogmatic everything became regarding this. I hate the puritanical left as much as the next guy, but the idea that just being for equality, diversity, and not pissing off people for what you can shallowly categorize them as now all falls under the crazy Social Studies Warrior college intellectual banner to some.

This might not be what you're talking about, and I acknowledge that and I'm not calling you a nazi gamergater alt0reich whatever buzzword people are throwing now for it. I get that this is where you went specifically about GAF for the GAF thread. Just saying that I dislike how some insane lunatics became the definition for anybody who is progressive at all. Goes to show that the right are pretty good at marketing themselves.

EDIT: D3RANG3D doesn't like all my posts anymore :'( I'm sorry, bb. I'll make sure to give you quality anti-nintard content soon for you to like and subscribe to my channel.

I swear that wasn't a pitty like. 

[agrajag]

Bitching at the moderation of a forum for not sticking to their ToS or having flimsy rules makes you a fuckboy.

No, pining about the GAF strongmen moderators makes you a fuckboy, fuckboy.

[tummyfat]

This thread is starting to read like the former hardcore gaming website NeoGAF.

 

This sounds like some "both sides" bullshit

Is this the hill you want to die on?

I can't even..

[Himu]

Oh my god thankfully this thread is its containment zone and the bio hazard won't leak out

[omensetter]

GAF was a weird combination of the low effort shittiness and white noise posters that takes root in larger internet communities and the bland, humorless groupthink that happens when the moderation staff and by extension general forum culture get overzealous. A bizarre, fascinating shitshow. Some of the smaller communities were ok though and avoided the malaise.

[HaughtyFrank]

This thread is starting to read like the former hardcore gaming website NeoGAF.

 

This sounds like some "both sides" bullshit

Is this the hill you want to die on?

I can't even..

So much this

*pinochiodeadinwater.gif*

Strawmen moving goalpost fallacy

[Gigan]

only gaf og will remember this but..

Do you guys remember when a super drunk girl knocked at Evilore's door and he made a thread showing several pics of her passed out in his bed?

  This was in 2003 or so...

Is it the thing with weird outline figures running a train the girl?

That was one of the earliest memes on GAF and for something barely funny they ran it into the ground fast.

[tummyfat]

Polygon weighing in

https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/22/16516592/neogaf-tyler-malka-evilore-allegations-shutdown

Same article every other outlet is running. Nothing in depth

[Nabbis]

Remove this filthy tag. I was gold before gaf.

Give it to Dennis, he is willing to actually pay for it.

[FreeNudeLyleLanley]

This thread is starting to read like the former hardcore gaming website NeoGAF.

 

This sounds like some "both sides" bullshit

Is this the hill you want to die on?

I can't even..

Is this yet another Milkshake Duck?

[Anime Avatar]

This thread seemed cool when it was mostly making fun of neogaf

now everyone's a pedophile nazi

[hungrynoob]

Oh my god thankfully this thread is its containment zone and the bio hazard won't leak out

Well if there was ever an encouragement to break free from this thread...

[salva]

All we need is RinsFury and the thread will be complete.

[agrajag]

All we need is RinsFury and the thread will be complete.

Messoganego 

[Borgnine]

So we're over here now?

[injusticeforall]

Polygon weighing in

https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/22/16516592/neogaf-tyler-malka-evilore-allegations-shutdown

I hope this is the last time gaming sites cite GAF for anything. It was always ridiculous how often posts would be use as news sources.

[dridru]

Damn, this is really spreading.

Destructoid: https://www.destructoid.com/neogaf-goes-down-due-to-staff-walk-out-sexual-harassment-allegations-468425.phtml
LeMonde (major French newspaper as far as I know): http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2017/10/22/le-forum-de-jeux-video-neogaf-hors-ligne-apres-des-accusations-de-harcelement-sexuel-contre-son-pdg_5204441_4408996.html

Seeing large Spanish sites reporting, Italian VG247 and Italian IGN. Going to be very hard to recover anything after this from the ashes. All within 24 hours, this is fascinating to see.

Polygon weighing in

https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/22/16516592/neogaf-tyler-malka-evilore-allegations-shutdown

I hope this is the last time gaming sites cite GAF for anything. It was always ridiculous how often posts would be use as news sources.

It was a really useful aggregate for journalists. They can't follow everything that happens on Twitter themselves, or leaks from some random shop around the world. So getting that forum NeoGAF was a good way to get that kind of news pretty quick.

[agrajag]

Remove this filthy tag. I was gold before gaf.

Give it to Dennis, he is willing to actually pay for it.

Even Dennis knows GAF is damaged goods now.

He'd could probably buy the whole GAF at this point.

[salva]

All we need is RinsFury and the thread will be complete.

Messoganego 

Is there a dating-age thread somewhere in this forum? If so then he definitely needs to register here. Don't you want someone who's never being in a relationship giving relationship advice?

[Anime Avatar]

Why is every article embedding the Liam Robertson tweet about the James Scott post. How is that relevant

[injurai]

All these news links, now we're just waiting on kotaku and https://www.fbi.gov/news

[trh]

Bitching at the moderation of a forum for not sticking to their ToS or having flimsy rules makes you a fuckboy.

No, pining about the GAF strongmen moderators makes you a fuckboy, fuckboy.

Yeah that would make me a fuckboy too. That's not what I did tho. Having strong opinions on how an ~online video game forum~ should or should not be handled is stupid. I go to forums where it seems like cool people hang out. The only rules needed are "don't suck shit" as long as you have half decent mods.

[tummyfat]

Why is every article embedding the Liam Robertson tweet about the James Scott post. How is that relevant

They're all lazy and use a service that gives them pre-baked articles on current events most likely

[Dennis]

Worst page yet 

[Sampdoria]

All we need is RinsFury and the thread will be complete.

Messoganego 

please no. that guy was insufferable

[Scrooged]

Call a place full of people attacking the ACLU “left”, brehs.

Would you rather the term alt-left?  I realize that using the terms 'left' and 'right' can be broad and meaningless in the current political landscape, but make no doubt that anti free speech rhetoric these days is coming squarely from the left.

Nah, a lot of the extreme tumblr-esque left sure love policing every single thing you say and do but let's not act like your alt-right idiots aren't the same by running to their safe spaces and crying foul if someone dares shit on Nazis. Just look at how some reacted to the new Wolfenstein game.

I'm talking about being against the legal definition of free speech with respect to being anti-ACLU.  Political winds change, and i'm not saying that 'the right' can't do the same, but right now and in the recent past its factions on the left that are literally against free speech.  Saying that something shouldn't exist in a video game isn't the same thing, though I realize it's essentially going against the spirit of free speech.

Still nah on this, breh. being anti-ACLU is idiotic but I won't act like the alt-right aren't limiting free speech themselves(criticizing or even dogpiling someone for using racial slurs falls under free speech as well). Dislike how dogmatic everything became regarding this. I hate the puritanical left as much as the next guy, but the idea that just being for equality, diversity, and not pissing off people for what you can shallowly categorize them as now all falls under the crazy Social Studies Warrior college intellectual banner to some.

This might not be what you're talking about, and I acknowledge that and I'm not calling you a nazi gamergater alt0reich whatever buzzword people are throwing now for it. I get that this is where you went specifically about GAF for the GAF thread. Just saying that I dislike how some insane lunatics became the definition for anybody who is progressive at all. Goes to show that the right are pretty good at marketing themselves.

EDIT: D3RANG3D doesn't like all my posts anymore :'( I'm sorry, bb. I'll make sure to give you quality anti-nintard content soon for you to like and subscribe to my channel.

It can be difficult to talk about because of the plethora of communities out there.  And I guess it does come down to your own experience.  I've mainly been on Gaf (mostly lurking recently because of how insane it's gotten), so that's where my perspective is coming from.  There's no doubt a lot of shitstains from the alt-right out there who employ the same tactics as the extreme left.  And it is unfortunate if people come away with the conclusion that 'all' progressives are this way.  It really sucks how the extremes are forming the narratives, on both sides. The purity tests on Gaf, for example, resulted in people getting banned who are traditionally liberal or showed any kind of nuance in an argument.  Got labeled as 'centrist' or 'moderate' and banished from the community.

[helios]

The fake news should really wait for The Statement first

[Lactose_Intolerant]

This thread seemed cool when it was mostly making fun of neogaf

now everyone's a pedophile nazi

Yep, I was excited that Opiate joined so we could get some dirt.  Instead we got pages of pedophile talk.

It is starting to get too much like Neogaf up in here.  I'm guessing it is because there is not a lot of new info to make fun of.

[I am (not) a weeb]

"GAF Gold"

don't lump me in with those hypocrites, where was all this uproar when one of their most prominent posters and former mod was found out to be a sick pedo fuck


nvm, thank you mods 

[bachikarn]

I'm out of the loop on some of these GAF offshoot boards. wth is VOAT?

[tummyfat]

we also not gonna defend pdp here saying that shit because it's not the first time he's got in trouble for bullshit like this. Do you regularly blurt out foul shit at your work place when you get frustrated? No? Why? Because there are consequences right? Then lets hold someone with a massive audience of children accountable please. He knows better, he can fucking do better.

Yep. As annoying as GAF was about everything they weren't wrong about PDP or JonTron or whatever lame youtuber everybody hated until they said racist shit.

[Switters]

I hear there's other threads/topics somewhere on this board...

[demi]

I removed the "GAF Gold", sorry for that. I was in a post-JO coma for the past 8 hours

[CatsCatsCats]

I hear there's other threads/topics somewhere on this board...

Not for these ones

[Dennis]

I hear there's other threads/topics somewhere on this board...

Well, we have the Free Creepy Stalker thread....

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44676.0

[omensetter]

this thread is going to eat itself without a gaf to make fun of. Tyler, i know you're reading this, we need the Statement now

[injusticeforall]

Damn, this is really spreading.

Destructoid: https://www.destructoid.com/neogaf-goes-down-due-to-staff-walk-out-sexual-harassment-allegations-468425.phtml
LeMonde (major French newspaper as far as I know): http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2017/10/22/le-forum-de-jeux-video-neogaf-hors-ligne-apres-des-accusations-de-harcelement-sexuel-contre-son-pdg_5204441_4408996.html

Seeing large Spanish sites reporting, Italian VG247 and Italian IGN. Going to be very hard to recover anything after this from the ashes. All within 24 hours, this is fascinating to see.

Polygon weighing in

https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/22/16516592/neogaf-tyler-malka-evilore-allegations-shutdown

I hope this is the last time gaming sites cite GAF for anything. It was always ridiculous how often posts would be use as news sources.

It was a really useful aggregate for journalists. They can't follow everything that happens on Twitter themselves, or leaks from some random shop around the world. So getting that forum NeoGAF was a good way to get that kind of news pretty quick.

Forwarded to ArsTechnica - hopefully they pick up on it.

[Rman]

I'm out of the loop on some of these GAF offshoot boards. wth is VOAT?

VOAT was where Neo-cigarillo went after they got kicked off Reddit for doxxing people.  VOAT is probably the most openly venomous and bigoted of the GAF offshoots. 

There's Slaent, which was made after EL purged Footie GAF.  Blackace is there.

[Nuitangg]

I'm out of the loop on some of these GAF offshoot boards. wth is VOAT?

Basically the last few pages and Milo apologists.

[Switters]

I removed the "GAF Gold", sorry for that. I was in a post-JO coma for the past 8 hours

Best mod

Cheers