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[Boredfrom]

that's cute if you think most "gamers" actually put that much thought into anything

I'm analyzing a thought process that only happens subconsciously in most people's minds, marketing afterall is mostly about subconsciously influencing consumers.  Obviously their divisive marketing campaign didn't work as well as they hoped.

"Divisive"

[agrajag]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

[counterhit]

Wolfenstein would've sold better if Bethesda had put boots on the ground in the rust belt and not just call Nazis bad on twitter all day.

[Optimus]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis. And in case you want to tell me that that's only what they were really talking about then they're not very bright, are they? Because they should have predicted that other groups being called nazis that are definitely not nazis would think they're targeting them with this marketing campaign.

In fact I'd even call it disingenuous on your part to act as if the specific marketing campaign is only targeting nazis.

[Boredfrom]

If I need to guess, it probably more to do with how mismanaged Bethesda marketing team seems to be these days than the overall theme of the marketing of wolfestein. Not mention that this season there is a lot of great games competing. I, personally, prefer to pay full price for Mario Odyssey than Wolf NC, probably doesn't help that Bethesda games have price drops.

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis.

That tends to happen when the president says that "there is fine people" in a nazi protest.

[Optimus]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis.

That tends to happen when the president says that "there is fine people" in a nazi protest.

So you agree then that the marketing campaign is divisive. Like it or not that fucking idiot has a lot of supporters and is definitely not a Nazi. His political persona is that of an ignorant racist blowhard that shitposts on twitter like a 14 year old boy, but yeah, not a nazi.

[Boredfrom]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis.

That tends to happen when the president says that "there is fine people" in a nazi protest.

So you agree then that the marketing campaign is divisive. Like it or not that fucking idiot has a lot of supporters and is definitely not a Nazi. His political persona is that of an ignorant racist blowhard that shitposts on twitter like a 14 year old boy, but yeah, not a nazi.

He may not be Nazi but he is content with getting supported Ted Danson. If he prefers to appease his supporters over act like a empathic person, then I cannot blame people for callin him a Nazi.  Last time I checked, the whole Charletsonville response was considered a big political misstep.

(lol Ted Danson auto edit)

[FStop7]

Wolf 2 opens with

spoiler (click to show/hide)

a flashback of your father "forcing" you to shoot your own dog as some kind of twisted character building exercise

[close]

It's edgelord poop.

[Optimus]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis.

That tends to happen when the president says that "there is fine people" in a nazi protest.

So you agree then that the marketing campaign is divisive. Like it or not that fucking idiot has a lot of supporters and is definitely not a Nazi. His political persona is that of an ignorant racist blowhard that shitposts on twitter like a 14 year old boy, but yeah, not a nazi.

He may not be Nazi but he is content with getting supported Ted Danson. If he prefers to appease his supporters over act like a empathic person, then I cannot blame people for callin him a Nazi.  Last time I checked, the whole Charletsonville response was considered a big political misstep.

(lol Ted Danson auto edit)

He wants the vote of the far-right which makes him an amoral piece of shit, still not a Nazi though. His supporters also range from contrarians who are sick of SJ W nonsense, people who (rightfully) hate trade agreements and desperate middle class whites to, well, actual fucking nazis. Putting them all in the same category as "nazis" is dumb, extremely dangerous and short-sighted, just like this marketing campaign.

[demi]

wow theres actually people discussing whether Wolf or doom is better

Lul

Doom, no question

[fistfulofmetal]

wow theres actually people discussing whether Wolf or doom is better

Lul

Doom, no question

dont think there's any actual discussion bout that. we're all pretty in agreement that Doom is better. Wolf2 is still pretty great tho.

[Assimilate]

I find it fascinating when people think alienating a core group of your audience will get you sales. 

When were the majority of shooter fans not white dudes? Half of them are probably from middle America 
Reminds me of this whole NFL debacle. There's a crap ton of Trump voters that are NFL fans, i'd even say most NFL ticket holders are probably Trump voters . Why is this completely ignored?

[Boredfrom]

I dislike SJ Ws but I didn't went to overly defend Donald Trump. Thought it probably has more to do with me be a Mexican. I can respect people voting for Trump for most reasons you posted above, but at this point is becoming increasingly silly to watch people defending all his bullshit. Unless you subscribe to the idea that all gamers anti SJ W are Trump supporters, most gaming population will care less about the marketing being opportunistic of the political climate, and this probably has more to do with being yet another fumble from Bethesda in marketing a single player game in the last two years.

[fistfulofmetal]

They're ignored because Fuck Trump Voters. If they're too deluded into thinking Anti-Nazi, Anti-Fascist, and Anti-White Nationalist content is divisive or targeted against them then they need to look at their own lives a bit.

[Boredfrom]

I find it fascinating when people think alienating a core group of your audience will get you sales. 

When were the majority of shooter fans not white dudes?

Since when is that the white shooter fan has problems in killing Nazis?

[Assimilate]

I find it fascinating when people think alienating a core group of your audience will get you sales. 

When were the majority of shooter fans not white dudes?

Since when is that the white shooter fan has problems in killing Nazis?

Never, but the marketing was pretty shit. That one line with the whole "you're a white guy" or whatever it was.

They're ignored because Fuck Trump Voters. If they're too deluded into thinking Anti-Nazi, Anti-Fascist, and Anti-White Nationalist content is divisive or targeted against them then they need to look at their own lives a bit.

Not what i meant. I meant why doesn't the media acknowledge the truth of the matter. The backlash is hardly to do with the "disrespecting the troops" and more to do with the fact that most fans don't give a flying fuck about Kalin Kapernick and whatever he has to say.

Same with this Roger Moore situation. The media is trying to guilt trip potential voters into not voting for him. They shouldn't have to be guilt tripped into it. There's a disconnect. These people DON'T GIVE A FUCK. Until you understand why they have such a huge distaste for democrats, or how they're manipulated into having an unjust opinion of the other side you'll never win them over.

[Assimilate]

Why the fuck is punching nazis alienating a large portion of any audience?

Doesn't that group of people claim that they aren't nazis?

Strange.

 

[Optimus]

They're ignored because Fuck Trump Voters. If they're too deluded into thinking Anti-Nazi, Anti-Fascist, and Anti-White Nationalist content is divisive or targeted against them then they need to look at their own lives a bit.

Yes, the slogan Make America Nazi-free again, just SCREAMS it has nothing to do with Trump and his supporters. Please people, stop pretending the campaign wasn't trying to stir up shit.

[Optimus]

I dislike SJ Ws but I didn't went to overly defend Donald Trump. Thought it probably has more to do with me be a Mexican.

Or it might have something to do with you being a logical person. Not all people who dislike SJ Ws were dumb enough to support Trump just to spite them.

Unless you subscribe to the idea that all gamers anti SJ W are Trump supporters, most gaming population will care less about the marketing being opportunistic of the political climate, and this probably has more to do with being yet another fumble from Bethesda in marketing a single player game in the last two years.

While I don't think most gamers are Trump supporters I do think that most gamers are sick and tired of being preached at about politics by holier than thou assholes. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to think that the particular marketing campaign was obnoxious.

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

  being shocked that communists dont buy things

[Novid]

im the only dude that gets banned here and rentacenter.

shit i must be ye of the wayward souls

[Optimus]

It's a game about nazis invading America; a plot that was surely decided upon well before it became an aspect of modern politics.

They then included a few relevant jokes in their ads. 

I think it was a bad idea, but I still think anyone who was annoyed or offended by this is pretty laughable.    But predictable that people would, hence bad idea.

I'm offended by the idea of exploiting our desperate and fucked up political situation to sell a fucking product.

[seagrams hotsauce]

im the only dude that gets banned here and rentacenter.

shit i must be ye of the wayward souls

I gotta hear this one. Spill it bro

[Boredfrom]

I dislike SJ Ws but I didn't went to overly defend Donald Trump. Thought it probably has more to do with me be a Mexican.

Or it might have something to do with you being a logical person. Not all people who dislike SJ Ws were dumb enough to support Trump just to spite them.

Unless you subscribe to the idea that all gamers anti SJ W are Trump supporters, most gaming population will care less about the marketing being opportunistic of the political climate, and this probably has more to do with being yet another fumble from Bethesda in marketing a single player game in the last two years.

While I don't think most gamers are Trump supporters I do think that most gamers are sick and tired of being preached at about politics by holier than thou assholes. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to think that the particular marketing campaign was obnoxious.

I will concede you this: the marketing campaign was obnoxious. I agree with that. But this is in par with Video game marketing and I suspect a lot of people will find easy to digest if is obnoxious against certain obnoxious president and the most toxic part of his supporters.

[Tektonic]

Guys:

Don't be a caricature
Be a reseteerraaa

[benjipwns]

We must be conscious of what we contribute to, and how to counteract, one of gaming’s most infamous buzzwords: toxicity.

I ask this community to please be aware of what we’re contributing to. All of our posts are building blocks. They are energy into the zeitgeist of gaming. We shape and morph and reconfigure our forum with tens of thousands of prodding fingers every day. This place is a living and breathing beast that should not contribute to the stereotypes and commonalities that poison our hobby. Do not succumb to the temptations of old habits. Learn to let go, let incidents be isolated, and do not burden yourself or the community with the residue of acrimony.

Post about what you love and treat your fellow member with compassion.

Don’t be a caricature.

Be a Resettler.


Solidarity, 1932 by Kathe Kollwitz. (recolored Purple) Expressionism.

[nachobro]

 

[kingv]

Should have made the marketing campaign “wolfenstein II will make you it’s bitch”.

Anyway, I agree on release timing, in general. I feel like I’m those months where there are few games releasing there is always some game that gets a ton of exposure and high fives just on account of when it came out.

Like Nioh, or Nier Automata. Games that are good but would have been overshadowed in november or October.

[benjipwns]

I was thinking of this recently. I strongly agree, though I also have a sense of foreboding that as member numbers go up, the early sense of respect and turning over a new leaf will be replaced in part, especially when award and announcement shows start coming up. In particular I'd love to see contentful posts talking about The Game Awards instead of short, cynical comments complaining or picking apart every detail when that show happens. I don't expect that to happen, but if it does that would be amazing.

Speaking generally, I think tribalism is perhaps the biggest harmful thing to discussion and community. I suppose it's baked into human nature. On the most extreme level, you have things like Republican voters defending even the most evil people and actions, willing to pay any price because someone is on their team. On trivial levels, you have things like "people who eat pineapple on their pizza don't deserve respect", or insults suggesting only people who eat a certain candy bar are acceptable, or the classic console wars. Some of these things are intended as jokes, but it becomes widespread and creates the same sort of atmosphere that we briefly avoided.

Here are some examples that may sound trivial and condescending, but I think would actually be beneficial to keep in mind in the coming months:

• Some people may enjoy Battlefront 2. EA can also have anti-consumer business practices. These things are not mutually exclusive, and the people who enjoy the game do not need to be attacked.
• Some people may enjoy [any given high profile game]. Other people may not enjoy the same game. Neither of these groups needs attacked, nor should they need to band together and defend themselves. It is OK for different people to like different things. That makes for a varied community.
• Some people may like certain DC movie(s). Some DC movie(s) may have poor critical and/or audience consensus on average. These things are not mutually exclusive. It is OK to like different things. It is not cool to attack someone and say they should or shouldn't like a movie.
• This applies to movies in general, but it shows up in particular with DC. It is OK to discuss DC movies. It is OK to discuss Marvel movies. It is probably not a good idea to treat any given movie on either side as an argument point for an external DC vs. Marvel competition (or Sony vs. Nintendo, or whatever other competition / tribal thing is in mind). They can exist on their own merits and demerits, and some people may even watch both.
• On the off-topic front, some people may enjoy different pizza toppings, restaurants, food products, cooking styles, or condiments than you. These people should be allowed to live and not judged as somehow doing things wrong because another person's culinary preferences are more correct. It is not a competition.

Note that I didn't even get into stuff like Trump supporters. Racism and the neonazi movement are obviously far more serious than any of the above, yet even with such simple things like the above, we sometimes fail to treat people with respect, or jump into arguments like things are an us vs. them competition.

[Broseidon]

man some people really need to step away from the computer and go outside once in a while

[benjipwns]

It's pretty beautiful this thread even exists in the first place. The fact we're even reflecting on how we engage each other on the internet. The fact we desire a civil and thoughtful community and want to strive towards that. It's not a discussion that would occur on many other forums.

[benjipwns]

Guy is describing his posting on a forum as his lifesyle. Dude go 3D print some friends and get the fuck off the net for a while,

I am also a cynical person. More than cynical, miserable. Every day I wake up and write a suicide note. Then I crumple it up and eat it for breakfast because my pain is my only sustenance. I am that hardcore miserable.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Finale Firework must be eating himself up over not being picked as a mod on ResetEra.

I also caught this gem by a former neogaf moderator.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/page-2#post-1080682

the gaf groupthink and flavour of the month facist modship contributed to its downfall

Thanks for calling me and my friends fascists, you fucking dimwit

[Boredfrom]

We must be conscious of what we contribute to, and how to counteract, one of gaming’s most infamous buzzwords: toxicity.

I ask this community to please be aware of what we’re contributing to. All of our posts are building blocks. They are energy into the zeitgeist of gaming. We shape and morph and reconfigure our forum with tens of thousands of prodding fingers every day. This place is a living and breathing beast that should not contribute to the stereotypes and commonalities that poison our hobby. Do not succumb to the temptations of old habits. Learn to let go, let incidents be isolated, and do not burden yourself or the community with the residue of acrimony.

Post about what you love and treat your fellow member with compassion.

Don’t be a caricature.

Be a Resettler.


Solidarity, 1932 by Kathe Kollwitz. (recolored Purple) Expressionism.

There is something heartbreaking about this being mainly because

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Battlefront II Lootboxes

[close]

Like, I seriouls thought this was about Offtopic still being a cesspool or mods encouraging SJW trolling in game threads.

[etiolate]

USER WAS WARNED FOR THAT POST 

[FStop7]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/german-court-rules-kuwait-airways-is-allowed-to-ban-israelis.6692

Antisemite GAFERA is alive and well.

[etiolate]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/page-2#post-1081213

much feelings caught with that post

Suspect use of the word flourish

[Mr Gilhaney]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/german-court-rules-kuwait-airways-is-allowed-to-ban-israelis.6692

Antisemite GAFERA is alive and well.

I wouldn't want them on my flight either

[agrajag]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/page-2#post-1081213

much feelings caught with that post

Suspect use of the word flourish

Duckroll tends to forget that people bought into the ideology wholesale in fascist societies as well.

[Jansen]

Duckroll was an obnoxious cunt on gaf even before he was a mod. It's funny to see him try to act like a decent user.

[benjipwns]

at least he has of yet not turned out to be both a fascist and a pedophile unlike other former GAF moderators

[benjipwns]

does ERA condone throwing urine on fascist pedophiles?

[samfish]

Pedophiles are people too, and trapped within the corrupted US justice system all because privledged adults won’t let them near their privileged children. ERA has a policy of welcoming with open arms any and all underrepresented minorities.

Unless You’re Colin Moriarty. Even if he comes out as a pedophile, he’s still not welcome.

[Stro]

ResetEra, where the mods are transparent

Yet hang out in private discords with community members who lobby for extended bans and insult members in ways that would get anyone banned on the site itself, and brag about banning in the discord but won't claim it on the actual site.

 

[Novid]

im the only dude that gets banned here and rentacenter.

shit i must be ye of the wayward souls

I gotta hear this one. Spill it bro

got banned from rentacenter for mansplainin...

[benjipwns]

I don’t think it’s the type of game that’s designed to blow the doors off in sales.

It also only had 2 days of sales in the charts.

It looks like the prior game only sold around 2-2.5 million copies total.

Also, if vgchartz is to be believed (which I find is often "accurate enough" years after the fact to get a ballpark figure and will often be close to more valid sources) the prior game actually did most of its sales in Yurop except on the Xbox One. Like the Xbone version sold 53-47 Global-US. PS4 version apparently sold 70-30 Global-US, with 55% of sales being Yurop and Japan. Their probably garbage PC numbers have the same split. (Though they say only half a million PC copies were sold, Steam has 1.8 million owners of the game. So must be retail only, and definitely not the years of sales, it's been like $5 a bunch recently.)

[ThePhantomBlot]

I also caught this gem by a former neogaf moderator.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/page-2#post-1080682

the gaf groupthink and flavour of the month facist modship contributed to its downfall

Thanks for calling me and my friends fascists, you fucking dimwit

It really needs to stop blowing my mind how tone deaf some (not all) of the ex-GAF mods seem to be in regards to how GAF handled itself these last few years. Interestingly, roboleon was warned for that post.

[Clockwork5]

LOL, still if that offends you as a Trump voter you have fucking problems.  Donald Trump claiming a rally that was literally held by white supremacists had "many fine people" should be what bothers you. 

It's Trumps fault that he is associated with Nazis, it's not JUST because he has neo-nazi supporters;  if you voted for him that should piss you off and you shouldn't be mad at the marketing.

Can you not be bothered by both? Frankly I don't give a shit about US politics. They are all crooks. However, to say someone can't be bothered by both being associated with Nazis as well as disappointed in the person they voted for is literally "us or them" SJ W bullshit to the highest degree.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1080870/

What I am really trying to say is what YOU are saying. My problem isn’t with a fun megathread of people posting memes and extreme comments like the sky is falling. I’m talking about doing so while preventing the broader problems I discuss. It is perfectly possible and reasonable to have space for both. I think that’s generally what we have right now.

The issue comes from the meltdown (and we’re starting to focus too much on the semantics of what a meltdown is, which wasn’t my intention) determining how other threads will go before they even begin. In the past, for example, we reached a point where we simply could not have a thread about anything related to Mass Effect because multiple arguments that were only tangentially related would overtake whatever the original topic was. An incident resulted in a prolific poster leaving the forum permanently.

We need to be able to contain and isolate our “meltdowns” and let other discussions carry on as normal. As our forum passes 30,000 members and over a million posts, I want to remind the burgeoning community that we all own what we post here and we all own the board. I want us to continue to be careful and conscious and keep the general vibe of the forum as positive and insightful versus negative and vitriolic. I felt the time to bring this up was just after our first big news story that would steer conversations for the foreseeable future.

Does that make more sense?

Somebody better tell Cerium.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1097295/

Maybe we could use a regular forum health check? I don't know what the metrics could be (qty of warning/ban vs nb of posts per period for example) but communicating to all the Reseters how their forum is going is a starting point. After all, it's hard to keep track of all the discussions and potential incidents on all threads. Maybe my memory is failing me but I remember reading a mod post at the beginning telling they were entertaining the thought of a newsletter or something like that.

Oh god, students from my old methods class post on ERA. We're going to have to go over dependent variables yet again aren't we.

[Boredfrom]

LOL, still if that offends you as a Trump voter you have fucking problems.  Donald Trump claiming a rally that was literally held by white supremacists had "many fine people" should be what bothers you. 

It's Trumps fault that he is associated with Nazis, it's not JUST because he has neo-nazi supporters;  if you voted for him that should piss you off and you shouldn't be mad at the marketing.

Can you not be bothered by both? Frankly I don't give a shit about US politics. They are all crooks. However, to say someone can't be bothered by both being associated with Nazis as well as disappointed in the person they voted for is literally "us or them" SJ W bullshit to the highest degree.

They could call out the person that makes himself associated to nazis, specially since is not a celebrity or artist, but a public official.

[etiolate]

All I'm saying is imagine what Reststopera could be if we just made it even more pure.

[railGUN]

Last night I jotted down GAF and Reset post counts.

Tonight I checked them -- in that time, GAF got 1,360 posts. Reset got 33,642.

To keep his word, Malka has 2 weeks to launch the new GAF. With those numbers, why bother?

[shosta]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1097295/

Maybe we could use a regular forum health check? I don't know what the metrics could be (qty of warning/ban vs nb of posts per period for example) but communicating to all the Reseters how their forum is going is a starting point. After all, it's hard to keep track of all the discussions and potential incidents on all threads. Maybe my memory is failing me but I remember reading a mod post at the beginning telling they were entertaining the thought of a newsletter or something like that.

Oh god, students from my old methods class post on ERA. We're going to have to go over dependent variables yet again aren't we.

You missed the best part of that, which was the call for a publication highlighting infractions against the spirt of the revolution forum. A little too on the nose.

[mormapope]

It's a game about nazis invading America; a plot that was surely decided upon well before it became an aspect of modern politics.

They then included a few relevant jokes in their ads. 

I think it was a bad idea, but I still think anyone who was annoyed or offended by this is pretty laughable.    But predictable that people would, hence bad idea.

I'm offended by the idea of exploiting our desperate and fucked up political situation to sell a fucking product.

Do you remember 9/11 or bush era shit at all? 



But poking fun at white supremacists, literal facists? Thats tote tote fucked up!

[Clockwork5]

They are all crooks. However, to say someone can't be bothered by both being associated with Nazis as well as disappointed in the person they voted for is literally "us or them" SJ W bullshit to the highest degree.

Huh?

Of course they could be bothered by it; and if they are they should speak out against the person that caused the association.

But, they don't do that in the US.  Instead they play the victim; victim of what exactly?  Having voted for someone they refuse to speak out against and then being associated with that persons politics apparently.

I don't see how this is remotely us vs. them; if I voted for someone and then continued to support them I'd expect people to associate me with that person's politics.

Who are they? How do you know which ones they are? How do you know what they are for or against?

This notion that everyone who voted for Trump is a frenzied fan of his and sticks up for him every time he says something stupid is again, disingenuous. Look at his approval polling ffs.

Just because they related to a stupid slogan and are not pleased that there is an insinuation that supporting that stupid slogan makes them a Nazi, does not mean they support the fucks in Charlottesville.

Again, I don't really care. I just call out "everyone is a Nazi" bullshit when I see it.

[benjipwns]

I'm offended by the idea of exploiting our desperate and fucked up political situation to sell a fucking product.

Do you remember 9/11 or bush era shit at all? 

I thought the WWF went a bit far in their "darker and edgier" direction at the time:

[Assimilate]

Nazi is being thrown around so often it's losing it's power. People should stop comparing and calling everyone a nazi.

[Clockwork5]

Again, I don't really care. I just call out "everyone is a Nazi" bullshit when I see it.

Making fun of Donald Trump's slogan because he failed miserably at distancing himself from literal neo-nazis is not the same as "everyone is a nazi bullshit."

It's pretty easy to distance yourself from it;  "I voted for that guy but that's fucked up."

Which sure, maybe some are thinking and saying.. anectodtally literally never saw anything like that.  He had a 60% approval rating among his voters at the time and for the most part you didn't see or hear a lot from detractrs.  You have his loud mouth base who defends and deflects endlessly and people not really willing to say much at all.  That's my experience at least.

Nazi is being thrown around so often it's losing it's power. People should stop comparing and calling everyone a nazi.

I agree, it's fucking dumb, and you'll never see me participate in that crap.

But you just did.

It's transparent.

You can continue this conversation but I'm done, l honestly don't wish to appear to support that idiot or the fools who voted for him.

[benjipwns]

He quiot iterally called a group of nazis fine people.   He's a fucking moron.

Maybe he was comparing them to nihilists.

AHA, CHECK AND MATE.