The Intellectual Wank Dad [ ot ] jordan peterson Jordan Peterson JORDAN PETERSON

[Leadbelly]

My main takeaway from the NYT profile is that I can't believe anyone ever claimed he wasn't a reactionary

oh and that the structuralists refuted his whole theory 60 years ago

I think that counts as misrepresentation for some reason.

Anyway, this dude also adresses that:
https://twitter.com/ositanwanevu/status/997484128667951104

I don't know what is being argued here, but this kind of seems really obvious to me. The majority of people tend to be working-class. That would mean the opportunities to marry outside your class are less than within it. Of course there are probably other factors, but that in itself kind of seems obvious to me.

[Rufus]

"People increasingly marry within their class"

Later on he also posts this, which is clearer, I suppose:
https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/997491507044241408

[Leadbelly]

"People increasingly marry within their class"

Again I don't know what is being argued. Only that point stands out to me. The population is increasing.

I honestly have no idea what the study or any of this about though, so. just ignore me. lol

[Mandark]

Yo, Peterson really did the "we need traditional norms about sexuality so blue balls don't turn men into mass murderers" bit.

I'm going to have to actually read this piece.

[Human Snorenado]

Yo, Peterson really did the "we need traditional norms about sexuality so blue balls don't turn men into mass murderers" bit.

I'm going to have to actually read this piece.

Yup, he went there. Just read it.

[Human Snorenado]

Also, we're back to Wank Dad! THANK YOU BASED DOG

[Mandark]

“It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah,” he says. “Why?”

It’s a hard one.

“Right. That’s right. You don’t know. It’s because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower.”

The witches in Macbeth gather at a heath.

[agrajag]

Wank dad is a very appropriate renaming.

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[Leadbelly]

Well, I guess this is an interesting conversation. Seems like the perfect combination for you guys. Someone on the Right speaking to someone on the Left about Jordan Peterson. Just so happens to be Contrapoints. lol

[Human Snorenado]

Well, I guess this is an interesting conversation. Seems like the perfect combination for you guys. Someone on the Right speaking to someone on the Left about Jordan Peterson. Just so happens to be Contrapoints. lol

She has a video directly talking about Peterson's wankery too

[Leadbelly]

In terms of Martin Luther King, his attention moved from race to class. This was around the time he was assassinated. Some speculate that was why he was assassinated. Organising around class was seen as a much greater danger.

First of all, it's fucking wild to suggest that organizing for racial equality wasn't seen as dangerous in the 50's and 60's. Tell that to Medgar Evars, or Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner. Civil rights activists were literally trained on how to best survive police brutality.

Second..

I actually missed this. I never said it wasn't dangerous.

The point I was making is, the fight for racial equality in the law was obviously a necessary requirement. However once achieved, the next step wasn't to focus on race, the next step was to organise multiracially under class lines. This is what he planned with the Poor People Campaign. Sure, it was dangerous in the South to protest for racial equality, but it didn't potentially threaten the Establishment and the power structures. It's when you organise under class lines that there is a real problem. You have the whole population then united and organised under a common cause. That is a real threat to the Establishment.

Martin Luther King was assassinated around the time he switched attention from racial politics to class politics. This is why people speculate it was the real reason for his assassination.

Including for instance Noam Chomsky:


It's interesting, some people talk about the cultural Marxist conspiracy, but I often think, well, it could just as well be the Establishment conspiracy. I say that because the nature of identity politics has basically created competing interest groups all fighting for their own narrow and specific grievances, yet a lot of these people seem to advocate for some radical transformation of society in the some way. The Establishment is quite happy to see it this way. The Establishment has actually embraced these campaigns to some extent if you notice. Obama sppoke out against the Wage Gap. Joe Biden spoke out against Rape Culture. Trust me, if the Left actually organised under class lines advocating for real radical change, and were effective in creating mass solidarity, things would be different.

[Mandark]

I just realized.

Peterson's schtick is that even when they're not strictly true, shared myths and cultural narratives still carry some deeper meanings that we may not be aware of, and which in turn shape our reality as humans. That's Neil Gaiman's thing!

There's a timeline where Peterson wrote The Sandman, and it's all about Morpheus appearing in young people's dreams, calling them "bucko" and lecturing them about monogamy and the importance of a good posture.

[Mandark]

Martin Luther King was assassinated around the time he switched attention from racial politics to class politics. This is why people speculate it was the real reason for his assassination.

Buddy, if you believe something then say it yourself.

[Leadbelly]

Well, I guess this is an interesting conversation. Seems like the perfect combination for you guys. Someone on the Right speaking to someone on the Left about Jordan Peterson. Just so happens to be Contrapoints. lol

She has a video directly talking about Peterson's wankery too

Yeah. That's why I mentioned it. I thought some of you would be interested in it. I don't particularly like Contrapoints ever since her Alt-Right video. Lines like, "I am not a member of the Alt-Right is exactly what someone in the Alt-Right would say" seemed like terrible advice to give. Mainly because calling everyone Alt-Right just because they don't tick all the check boxes of what they think a progressive should be is what a lot of people seem to do these days. That sort of crap just justifies that shit in their own mind.

I like the video however because she is actually talking to someone on the Right. There is actually a discussion there. Two people with very different perspectives in conversation is far more interesting to me.

[Leadbelly]

Martin Luther King was assassinated around the time he switched attention from racial politics to class politics. This is why people speculate it was the real reason for his assassination.

Buddy, if you believe something then say it yourself.

I believe it is a very real possiblity. It makes sense. However, I don't know for sure that is the case. So I'm not going to definitively say that is the case. And many people do speculate about it, including Noam Chomsky, that is why I linked the video.

[Mandark]

It's interesting, some people talk about the cultural Marxist conspiracy, but I often think, well, it could just as well be the Establishment conspiracy. I say that because the nature of identity politics has basically created competing interest groups all fighting for their own narrow and specific grievances, yet a lot of these people seem to advocate for some radical transformation of society in the some way. The Establishment is quite happy to see it this way. The Establishment has actually embraced these campaigns to some extent if you notice. Obama sppoke out against the Wage Gap. Joe Biden spoke out against Rape Culture. Trust me, if the Left actually organised under class lines advocating for real radical change, and were effective in creating mass solidarity, things would be different.

And theeeeeeeeeeeeere we are.

[Leadbelly]

It's interesting, some people talk about the cultural Marxist conspiracy, but I often think, well, it could just as well be the Establishment conspiracy. I say that because the nature of identity politics has basically created competing interest groups all fighting for their own narrow and specific grievances, yet a lot of these people seem to advocate for some radical transformation of society in the some way. The Establishment is quite happy to see it this way. The Establishment has actually embraced these campaigns to some extent if you notice. Obama sppoke out against the Wage Gap. Joe Biden spoke out against Rape Culture. Trust me, if the Left actually organised under class lines advocating for real radical change, and were effective in creating mass solidarity, things would be different.

And theeeeeeeeeeeeere we are.

lol what?

What do you think I have revealed by that?

[Assimilate]

Yo, Peterson really did the "we need traditional norms about sexuality so blue balls don't turn men into mass murderers" bit.

I'm going to have to actually read this piece.

Why does that seem like a far fetched possibility to you? Don't radical muslims get teenage boys to blow themselves up on the promise of 72 virgins waiting for them?

[Mandark]

Bucko, if you think sexual release will prevent murder then you have my blessing to give prostate massages to angry incels. Heck, I'll help you write up a grant application.

[Assimilate]

Bucko, if you think sexual release will prevent murder then you have my blessing to give prostate massages to angry incels. Heck, I'll help you write up a grant application.

Why so dense bro? I'd be willing to bet that half these school shootings or more would be prevented if one of these dudes were routinely getting pussy.

Get your pen and paper ready. 

[Great Rumbler]

Bucko, if you think sexual release will prevent murder then you have my blessing to give prostate massages to angry incels. Heck, I'll help you write up a grant application.

Or alternately, ask TVC to read you some bedtime stories. He's got plenty saved away.

[Assimilate]

Bucko, if you think sexual release will prevent murder then you have my blessing to give prostate massages to angry incels. Heck, I'll help you write up a grant application.

Or alternately, ask TVC to read you some bedtime stories. He's got plenty saved away.

Dog, can i get some service here? why is it so hard to change your avatar on this damn site.

[naff]

While we're misappropriating this thread for mod requests, can we leper etoilet following unban for a few weeks to only be able to post in Wank Dad? He must be boiling over being unable to cam at us horsefuckers, and will need to focus on his return. I don't want him getting distracted.

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[naff]

[Mandark]

filler, you should make your tag "wank orphan" until your wank dad returns.

It would be sweet.

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[Kara]

The point I was making is, the fight for racial equality in the law was obviously a necessary requirement. However once achieved, the next step wasn't to focus on race, the next step was to organise multiracially under class lines. This is what he planned with the Poor People Campaign. Sure, it was dangerous in the South to protest for racial equality, but it didn't potentially threaten the Establishment and the power structures. It's when you organise under class lines that there is a real problem. You have the whole population then united and organised under a common cause. That is a real threat to the Establishment.

I think it might be beneficial for you to consider the following: is the United States a bourgeois state, or is it a bourgeois white supremacist state?

Base has some manner of primacy over superstructure, but it does not develop independent of it.

[counterhit]

My main takeaway from the NYT profile is that I can't believe anyone ever claimed he wasn't a reactionary

oh and that the structuralists refuted his whole theory 60 years ago

Actual reactionaries, especially the meaner ones, think Peterson is a fairly boring pro-liberalism conservative (ie right-center/center-right) and they would be mostly correct on that. The idea that because he doesn't like modern feminism or pronouns that begin with xyz, he's actually aligned with people who want to overturn democracy or global capitalism is silly. When he isn't the middle of lecturing on his Jungian/Darwinian/Gnostic blend (he's a little less Christian than I originally thought, but in a way that makes him even less of a reactionary), he's a fairly standard knee-jerking Canadian conservative boomer, right down to failing to properly label what he's arguing against ("post-modern marxism", which is a misnomer for the typical "PC Culture" academia or maybe even Harold Bloom's School of Resentment). Though a statement like this is pointless if said to someone who thinks a person like (the much more straightforward, materialist) Pinker is an out and out reactionary (which I have seen on "post-modern marxist" style blogs) because he also relies on ideas of evolutionary biology to argue against the blank slate. Despite having very different attitudes, Pinker and Peterson are more or less arguing for the same kind of society with occasionally similar arguments, but Peterson wants that gooey center to be Judaeo-Chrstian & Dragons spiritual, while Pinker's soulless appetite is sated only with charts that keep pointing up. The fact the charts are already going up is a bit of a rhetorical obstacle for anyone who thinks there is a huge economical/political problem with society, left or right.

As for Peterson telling people to get married, my impression from reading the internet fallout of various attempts to handle the Incel Question, it would be much more palatable to perform society-wide conversion therapy to make virginal men gay/women/get daily prostate milkings from prostitutes/etc (this seems not only increasingly possible, but might even already be happening judging by some of the nintendo/weeaboo/"redeemed through social justice"ex-4channer twitter accounts I constantly run into) than go back to marrying in your 20s and staying married into your 60s with a stable nuclear family structure. I don't think you can pin this all on women though, since men are probably not going to give up their 4kHD porn addictions anytime soon. History, from Viking raids to Chinese revolts, agrees with Peterson that it is risky to disregard such a powerful social technology like monogamy, but those barbaric peoples of the past never had SSRIs or the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[Momo]

Dont need sex to pacify young men when you have Nintendo cardboard 

[Momo]

[counterhit]

Dont need sex to pacify young men when you have Nintendo cardboard 

Truth be told, "incels" is minuscule source of violence, at least in America/Canada and hardly need pacifying at a massive scale outside of their own sake. Peterson does what everyone does by tying it neatly back into his ideology (the hardened feminist, opposite of him, would just say "we got to whip that toxic masculinity out of him!", though hormonal treatments would probably be more effective). Mass shootings and terrorism and their coverage (which have accelerated beyond just being 24/7 news channel obsessions), which do not properly reflect that our society is getting increasingly less violent and dangerous (the issue of drug addiction is much worse), are more than just opportune battle arenas for partisan debate, but are one of the few types of media events powerful/shared enough to generate or unearth whole new narratives and conflicts.

[VomKriege]

The point I was making is, the fight for racial equality in the law was obviously a necessary requirement. However once achieved, the next step wasn't to focus on race, the next step was to organise multiracially under class lines. This is what he planned with the Poor People Campaign. Sure, it was dangerous in the South to protest for racial equality, but it didn't potentially threaten the Establishment and the power structures. It's when you organise under class lines that there is a real problem. You have the whole population then united and organised under a common cause. That is a real threat to the Establishment.

I think it might be beneficial for you to consider the following: is the United States a bourgeois state, or is it a bourgeois white supremacist state?

Base has some manner of primacy over superstructure, but it does not develop independent of it.

Good podcast. Living in a country where racelessnes is so core to the whole idea (with some obvious practical problems), it's always interesting to contrast with the situation in the Americas.

[Human Snorenado]

It's mind-boggling to me that this needs clarification, but let me spell out Jordan Peterson to everyone since there seems to be some confusion:

1. Cater to misogyny
2. Profit

[Momo]

There's like 5 other guys man, just because I think Peterson is a moron doesnt mean I'm going to burn every other person on that panel, that's the kind of dumb shit that got us here.

[Dickie Dee]

Yo, Peterson really did the "we need traditional norms about sexuality so blue balls don't turn men into mass murderers" bit.

I'm going to have to actually read this piece.

Why does that seem like a far fetched possibility to you? Don't radical muslims get teenage boys to blow themselves up on the promise of 72 virgins waiting for them?

I actually do somewhat think that sexual frustration/repression can lead to aggression and anti-social behavior.

I don't see how enforcing "traditional norms" would somehow get incels laid though. I can't follow that train of thought in any way that isn't completely damning.

[Rufus]

https://www.wired.com/story/sam-harris-and-the-myth-of-perfectly-rational-thought/

Examples of Harris’s tribal psychology date back to the book that put him on the map: The End of Faith. The book exuded his conviction that the reason 9/11 happened—and the reason for terrorism committed by Muslims in general—was simple: the religious beliefs of Muslims. As he has put it: “We are not at war with ‘terrorism.’ We are at war with Islam.”

Believing that the root of terrorism is religion requires ruling out other root causes, so Harris set about doing that. In his book he listed such posited causes as “the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza…the collusion of Western powers with corrupt dictatorships…the endemic poverty and lack of economic opportunity that now plague the Arab world.”

Then he dismissed them. He wrote that “we can ignore all of these things—or treat them only to place them safely on the shelf—because the world is filled with poor, uneducated, and exploited peoples who do not commit acts of terrorism, indeed who would never commit terrorism of the sort that has become so commonplace among Muslims.”

If you’re tempted to find this argument persuasive, I recommend that you first take a look at a different instance of the same logic. Suppose I said, “We can ignore the claim that smoking causes lung cancer because the world is full of people who smoke and don’t get lung cancer.” You’d spot the fallacy right away: Maybe smoking causes lung cancer under some circumstances but not others; maybe there are multiple causal factors—all necessary, but none sufficient—that, when they coincide, exert decisive causal force.

Or, to put Harris’s fallacy in a form that he would definitely recognize: Religion can’t be a cause of terrorism, because the world is full of religious people who aren’t terrorists.

[Assimilate]

Yo, Peterson really did the "we need traditional norms about sexuality so blue balls don't turn men into mass murderers" bit.

I'm going to have to actually read this piece.

Why does that seem like a far fetched possibility to you? Don't radical muslims get teenage boys to blow themselves up on the promise of 72 virgins waiting for them?

I actually do somewhat think that sexual frustration/repression can lead to aggression and anti-social behavior.

I don't see how enforcing "traditional norms" would somehow get incels laid though. I can't follow that train of thought in any way that isn't completely damning.

I'm speaking from observation and personal experience here but i see it. I see exactly what he's talking about. The difference between the states and latin america is huge in this respect. I've said it before in the relationship thread, i feel bad for guys in the states right now.

Guys growing up now have it hard. Despite the availability of tinder and all that, it's harder. And what i find really funny is that these 'white knight' dudes that follow the current 'guidelines' and push for these norms are the ones that will get burned the most.

When Peterson says only the most powerful, better looking guys will get females he's right. In the states i see women that are like 4s at best act like the biggest fucking snobs. I can't imagine what your average guy will do in this environment. I can only see a lot more of these 'incel' incidences growing.

[Dickie Dee]

Yo, Peterson really did the "we need traditional norms about sexuality so blue balls don't turn men into mass murderers" bit.

I'm going to have to actually read this piece.

Why does that seem like a far fetched possibility to you? Don't radical muslims get teenage boys to blow themselves up on the promise of 72 virgins waiting for them?

I actually do somewhat think that sexual frustration/repression can lead to aggression and anti-social behavior.

I don't see how enforcing "traditional norms" would somehow get incels laid though. I can't follow that train of thought in any way that isn't completely damning.

I'm speaking from observation and personal experience here but i see it. I see exactly what he's talking about. The difference between the states and latin america is huge in this respect. I've said it before in the relationship thread, i feel bad for guys in the states right now.

Guys growing up now have it hard. Despite the availability of tinder and all that, it's harder. And what i find really funny is that these 'white knight' dudes that follow the current 'guidelines' and push for these norms are the ones that will get burned the most.

When Peterson says only the most powerful, better looking guys will get females he's right. In the states i see women that are like 4s at best act like the biggest fucking snobs. I can't imagine what your average guy will do in this environment. I can only see a lot more of these 'incel' incidences growing.

...and what takeaway from this are we supposed to take other than "Women need to be put back in their place"?

Should we take away the pill? their franchise? reinstate coverture?

[Rufus]

I'm speaking from observation and personal experience here but i see it. I see exactly what he's talking about. The difference between the states and latin america is huge in this respect. I've said it before in the relationship thread, i feel bad for guys in the states right now.

Data would be more convincing.

[Assimilate]

Yo, Peterson really did the "we need traditional norms about sexuality so blue balls don't turn men into mass murderers" bit.

I'm going to have to actually read this piece.

Why does that seem like a far fetched possibility to you? Don't radical muslims get teenage boys to blow themselves up on the promise of 72 virgins waiting for them?

I actually do somewhat think that sexual frustration/repression can lead to aggression and anti-social behavior.

I don't see how enforcing "traditional norms" would somehow get incels laid though. I can't follow that train of thought in any way that isn't completely damning.

I'm speaking from observation and personal experience here but i see it. I see exactly what he's talking about. The difference between the states and latin america is huge in this respect. I've said it before in the relationship thread, i feel bad for guys in the states right now.

Guys growing up now have it hard. Despite the availability of tinder and all that, it's harder. And what i find really funny is that these 'white knight' dudes that follow the current 'guidelines' and push for these norms are the ones that will get burned the most.

When Peterson says only the most powerful, better looking guys will get females he's right. In the states i see women that are like 4s at best act like the biggest fucking snobs. I can't imagine what your average guy will do in this environment. I can only see a lot more of these 'incel' incidences growing.

...and what takeaway from this are we supposed to take other than "Women need to be put back in their place"?

Should we take away the pill? their franchise? reinstate coverture?

I don't have a solution at the moment. Maybe some social awakening?

Though, I think the solution will eventually come about naturally after women start to realize it kind of sucks having to choose from the abundance of unemployed/underemployed beta males. Not every opportunistic female will find themselves a Prince Harry. They won't like it when they realize that.

I'm speaking from observation and personal experience here but i see it. I see exactly what he's talking about. The difference between the states and latin america is huge in this respect. I've said it before in the relationship thread, i feel bad for guys in the states right now.

Data would be more convincing.

Yeah, i agree that's why you should probably listen more carefully to what Peterson says. This is his profession. He has the data for you.

[Rufus]

Yeah, i agree that's why you should probably listen more carefully to what Peterson says. This is his profession. He has the data for you.

He studied romantic relationships academically? Well, then delight me by pointing the way to some links. (I can't seem to find any.)

Et would know (pbuh).

[Assimilate]

Yeah, i agree that's why you should probably listen more carefully to what Peterson says. This is his profession. He has the data for you.

He studied interpersonal relationships academically? Well, then delight me by pointing the way to some links.

Et would know (pbuh).

You're like the rest of the people in here lambasting the guy without even looking at his credentials? He has a decent body of work.

But i guess being a professor at Harvard doesn't mean dick these days if you're on the wrong side of identity politics.

[Rufus]

Edited to clarify. I have looked at his body of work before, but couldn't remember anything to suggest you're right in claiming that he's studies this. So... If you would, please?

[Assimilate]

Edit to clarify. I have looked at his body of work before, but couldn't remember anything to suggest you're right in claiming that he's studies this. So... If you would, please?

I work for you? Go look for shit yourself lol .

EDIT: regardless, what he says and the points he makes, i'm observing them, and have observed them in my personal interactions and experiences. I don't agree with everything he says, and i don't have a solution to the problems presented, but he isn't speaking nonsense, and he isn't some whacko with political motives like some of you in here think

[Rufus]

I did. I couldn't find anything. Help me out.

[Assimilate]

Man the NYT piece on Peterson gets better the more deeper you go, some hilarious shit that hasn't been quoted:

He looks down as he walks. He paces. He pleads — he often sounds frustrated, like you’ve just said something absurd and he’s trying to correct you without raising his voice. He speaks for over an hour without any notes. He runs his hands over his face when it’s all too much. He cries often.

 

I ask him about the retro clothes and phrases. He calls it his prairie populism.

“That’s what happens when you rescue your father from the belly of the whale,” he says. “You rediscover your tradition.”

“It made sense in a primordial way when he breaks down Adam and Eve, the snake and chaos,” Mr. Arar says. “Eve made Adam self-conscious. Women make men self-conscious because they’re the ultimate judge. I was like, ‘Wow this is really true.’”

 

The changes in his life include starting to clean his room. “My mom’s been nagging me for years, but I’ve never done it until Dr. Peterson,” he says.

 

Agreeing, Mr. Arar gave off the same guttural m-hmm that Mr. Peterson does.

 

There are now regular Jordan Peterson discussion groups. The one in Toronto meets once a week at a restaurant called Hemingway’s and is run by Chris Shepherd, who used to be a professional pickup artist who coached men on how to get laid fast at a club but is now a dating coach.

 

Over his bed is a painting celebrating electrification in the Soviet Union.

 

Mr. Peterson’s office has objects scattered and strewn throughout: There is a hat from a gulag, some steampunk masks he thought were cool, stacks of papers and cords, and a Kermit puppet his sister sent him because his fans joke that his voice, high and hoarse, sounds like the Muppet.

 

Stro, you're laughing at things that members of this forum, especially a place like Ree, are a representation of. Ree gets emotional and lit over defending Marvel movies and Nintendo. At least Peterson hangs some dark art up on his walls, and not pictures of anime and nintendo figurines

 

[Human Snorenado]

For someone that advocates taking personal responsibility in your life his message of radical redistribution of pussy to help quell the society destroying urges of men who just can't help themselves otherwise is, uh... well, I see why etoilet is a fan.

 

[Assimilate]

For someone that advocates taking personal responsibility in your life his message of radical redistribution of pussy to help quell the society destroying urges of men who just can't help themselves otherwise is, uh... well, I see why etoilet is a fan.

 

Men should take personal responsibility in getting pussy?

Do tell how you'd go about that breh. Rape?

 

[Great Rumbler]

For someone that advocates taking personal responsibility in your life his message of radical redistribution of pussy to help quell the society destroying urges of men who just can't help themselves otherwise is, uh... well, I see why etoilet is a fan.

 

Men should take personal responsibility in getting pussy?

Go out and talk to girls like they're regular human beings instead of posting angrily on the internet about how hot guys are getting all the chicks?

[VomKriege]

Don't have an opinion on Peterson, haven't listened to him, don't have an opinion. Academics turning into pseudo media stars is never a turn for the best, science and the media cycle are like oil and water.

[Assimilate]

For someone that advocates taking personal responsibility in your life his message of radical redistribution of pussy to help quell the society destroying urges of men who just can't help themselves otherwise is, uh... well, I see why etoilet is a fan.

 

Men should take personal responsibility in getting pussy?

Go out and talk to girls like they're regular human beings instead of posting angrily on the internet about how hot guys are getting all the chicks?

Wow dog you're so fucking smart, who would've thought that?

You can only set yourself up to the highest of your abilities, and then the woman still has to CHOOSE you. That's the point. At the end of the day it's out of your control.

[HardcoreRetro]

Go out and talk to girls like they're regular human beings instead of posting angrily on the internet about how hot guys are getting all the chicks?

You know why these 4s are really scared of better looking women?

Because 7 8 9.

[Great Rumbler]

For someone that advocates taking personal responsibility in your life his message of radical redistribution of pussy to help quell the society destroying urges of men who just can't help themselves otherwise is, uh... well, I see why etoilet is a fan.

 

Men should take personal responsibility in getting pussy?

Go out and talk to girls like they're regular human beings instead of posting angrily on the internet about how hot guys are getting all the chicks?

Wow dog you're so fucking smart, who would've thought that?

You can only set yourself up to the highest of your abilities, and then the woman still has to CHOOSE you. That's the point. At the end of the day it's out of your control.

wow it's almost like women are independent entities with their own hopes and dreams and not mere constructs gifted to us from god for our male pleasures

[Human Snorenado]

For someone that advocates taking personal responsibility in your life his message of radical redistribution of pussy to help quell the society destroying urges of men who just can't help themselves otherwise is, uh... well, I see why etoilet is a fan.

 

Men should take personal responsibility in getting pussy?

Go out and talk to girls like they're regular human beings instead of posting angrily on the internet about how hot guys are getting all the chicks?

Wow dog you're so fucking smart, who would've thought that?

You can only set yourself up to the highest of your abilities, and then the woman still has to CHOOSE you. That's the point. At the end of the day it's out of your control.

wow it's almost like women are independent entities with their own hopes and dreams and not mere constructs gifted to us from god for our male pleasures

FAKE NEWS

[Assimilate]

For someone that advocates taking personal responsibility in your life his message of radical redistribution of pussy to help quell the society destroying urges of men who just can't help themselves otherwise is, uh... well, I see why etoilet is a fan.

 

Men should take personal responsibility in getting pussy?

Go out and talk to girls like they're regular human beings instead of posting angrily on the internet about how hot guys are getting all the chicks?

Wow dog you're so fucking smart, who would've thought that?

You can only set yourself up to the highest of your abilities, and then the woman still has to CHOOSE you. That's the point. At the end of the day it's out of your control.

wow it's almost like women are independent entities with their own hopes and dreams and not mere constructs gifted to us from god for our male pleasures

No, dog, the point Peterson is making is that through political pressure and societal shaming women are being fooled into thinking that working full time, not raising families, not wanting children, is what they really want. That women are equal to men in every way, that they should have multiple sex partners just because.

This an 'experiment' that patriarchy is 'bad' will go wrong considering it goes against millions of years of evolution .

[Great Rumbler]

lol these dumb women amirite

[shosta]

DOG, you're ghey, what do you know about women? Checkmate.

 

[Coitus]

Yo, Peterson really did the "we need traditional norms about sexuality so blue balls don't turn men into mass murderers" bit.

I'm going to have to actually read this piece.

Why does that seem like a far fetched possibility to you? Don't radical muslims get teenage boys to blow themselves up on the promise of 72 virgins waiting for them?

I actually do somewhat think that sexual frustration/repression can lead to aggression and anti-social behavior.

I don't see how enforcing "traditional norms" would somehow get incels laid though. I can't follow that train of thought in any way that isn't completely damning.

I'm speaking from observation and personal experience here but i see it. I see exactly what he's talking about. The difference between the states and latin america is huge in this respect. I've said it before in the relationship thread, i feel bad for guys in the states right now.

Guys growing up now have it hard. Despite the availability of tinder and all that, it's harder. And what i find really funny is that these 'white knight' dudes that follow the current 'guidelines' and push for these norms are the ones that will get burned the most.

When Peterson says only the most powerful, better looking guys will get females he's right. In the states i see women that are like 4s at best act like the biggest fucking snobs. I can't imagine what your average guy will do in this environment. I can only see a lot more of these 'incel' incidences growing.

...and what takeaway from this are we supposed to take other than "Women need to be put back in their place"?

Should we take away the pill? their franchise? reinstate coverture?

I don't have a solution at the moment. Maybe some social awakening?

Though, I think the solution will eventually come about naturally after women start to realize it kind of sucks having to choose from the abundance of unemployed/underemployed beta males. Not every opportunistic female will find themselves a Prince Harry. They won't like it when they realize that.

I'm speaking from observation and personal experience here but i see it. I see exactly what he's talking about. The difference between the states and latin america is huge in this respect. I've said it before in the relationship thread, i feel bad for guys in the states right now.

Data would be more convincing.

Yeah, i agree that's why you should probably listen more carefully to what Peterson says. This is his profession. He has the data for you.

Pictures of dragons aren’t data.