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« Reply #240 on: March 06, 2018, 01:04:24 PM »
I could take exception to his putting his head in the sand on immigration and wahhabism by just calling it racism. There's things about him that are hand-me-down leftist takes that don't stand up to pressure.

However, his talk is interesting and full of information. I did recommend watching it after all. =P

 I just found the hierarchy/gender norms bit to be non-scientific in a list of scientific studies. Gender is a largely bimodal distribution, so belief in traditional genders is closer to the truth than rejection of gender nroms.  Belief in hierarchies are a belief in known biological structures. Nothing authoritarian about it. Some people are going to see these errors and ditch the talk. He'd reach more people if took out the pleasing lies for leftists. It may also better inform his idea of global trumpism.

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« Reply #242 on: March 07, 2018, 01:39:17 AM »
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/970815875635929088

Honestly scientists shouldn't be allowed to talk about the humanities for their own good

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« Reply #243 on: March 07, 2018, 01:42:56 AM »
I get all my fashion advice from Stephen Hawking.

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« Reply #244 on: March 07, 2018, 02:25:50 AM »
Peterson saying spirals in ancient art are depictions of the DNA double helix.

This is hotep shit for white people. It makes so much more sense now.

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« Reply #245 on: March 07, 2018, 12:11:12 PM »
Why does Peterson threaten y'all? I made this thread about the general group of discussion, but the whiners focus on Peterson. I know why I threaten some of you. I don't get why you'd care to be threatened by Jordan.

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« Reply #246 on: March 07, 2018, 12:23:51 PM »
So it's jealousy. Always jealousy with you people.

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« Reply #247 on: March 07, 2018, 12:32:27 PM »
Your first (incorrect) presupposition is that anyone is "threatened" by this WASP-ass motherfucker. :lol

Spoiler: we're laughing at him cause he's dumb, and you're dumb for stanning him so hard :crowdlaff

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« Reply #248 on: March 07, 2018, 12:37:35 PM »
I'm just laughing that he's a god damn professor who gets paid to speak for a living yet he was speaking like a valley girl with Kermit The Frog's voice.

Also, this.

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« Reply #249 on: March 07, 2018, 12:45:56 PM »
I think Jordan Petersen says interesting stuff, I also think he's a loon for believing the bible is a series of transcendent metaphorical wisdom. These books were written by people who fuck goats.

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« Reply #250 on: March 07, 2018, 12:49:26 PM »
I think TVC says interesting stuff, I also think he's a loon for trying to coerce people into fish and or 7/11 dumpster sex

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« Reply #251 on: March 07, 2018, 12:52:22 PM »
I think Jordan Petersen says interesting stuff, I also think he's a loon for believing the bible is a series of transcendent metaphorical wisdom. These books were written by people who fuck goats.

That's not a fair take on how books like a bible get created. Those works are the collected wisdoms of a people that have been passed down, often in oral traditions for great periods of time.

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« Reply #252 on: March 07, 2018, 12:58:42 PM »
And some of that wisdom was "guys, c'mon, stop fucking goats."

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« Reply #253 on: March 07, 2018, 12:58:58 PM »
Peterson looks too deeply into the ramblings of drunk, bored goat farmers. Is there some practical stuff in there (like don't eat pork cause it probably made them sick from under cooking it?), sure. But it's not the year minus 589 anymore and we can explain these folktales. To take the lessons and meanings he does from it is insane.

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« Reply #254 on: March 07, 2018, 01:04:23 PM »
It's not that insane when you realize they had ancient forms of reciprocity theory. The sheathed sword wisdom is quite good as well. Many ideas of then still have value today. We repeat them in different ways, but we understand them at a certain level. This is not because we just don't have anything better. 


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« Reply #255 on: March 07, 2018, 01:06:01 PM »
The Cain and Able lecture is really good. About the origin of cynicism.
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« Reply #256 on: March 07, 2018, 01:06:50 PM »
The Cain and Able lecture is really good.

I bet it's not.

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« Reply #257 on: March 07, 2018, 01:10:53 PM »
I think Sam Harris annihilated Peterson on this subject when they debated it. Go collect all Jack Remington's posts and analyse them and you'll 100% be able to insert the same kind of metaphorical wisdom into them.

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« Reply #258 on: March 07, 2018, 01:12:56 PM »
That kind of analysis is totally unfalsifiable, yeah. But much of it is very convincing.
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« Reply #259 on: March 07, 2018, 01:14:32 PM »
I bet it's not.
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« Reply #260 on: March 07, 2018, 01:17:30 PM »
I bet it's not.
does anyone like you
Women sometimes wear lipstick around me, so at least I know I'm the object of their sexual desire.

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« Reply #261 on: March 07, 2018, 01:29:40 PM »
Also if you want to use the Bible to justify traditional gender roles, bringing in Jungian myth analysis and speculation about genetic memory seems a pretty fuckin' roundabout way of doing it.

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« Reply #262 on: March 07, 2018, 01:36:42 PM »
Why does Peterson threaten y'all? I made this thread about the general group of discussion, but the whiners focus on Peterson. I know why I threaten some of you. I don't get why you'd care to be threatened by Jordan.

I think most of us are focusing on Peterson because he's the one that's been given the current title of lead right-wing "intellectual". I don't recall if someone like Steven Pinker makes $70k/month on Patreon for telling Trump fans to wipe their asses.

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« Reply #263 on: March 07, 2018, 01:39:26 PM »
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/971195232703406081


https://twitter.com/craigsilverman/status/971378991331409920?s=21

Glad to see Peterson applies as much academic rigor into confirming whether or not that's a real twitter account, as he did with the C-16 bill.

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« Reply #264 on: March 07, 2018, 02:26:36 PM »
Peterson goes around and speaks to groups of mostly young people who are mostly young men to encourage them to focus on their lives and responsibilities, not get caught up in collectivism and not end up the psycho who shoots up schools.

And this is the person that you focus on attacking.

One of the many reasons I think people on this forum are fucked in the head.

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« Reply #265 on: March 07, 2018, 02:30:31 PM »
You know if he didnt succeed in siphoning money from that dumb ass cultural niche of ours, he would of fucked right back off to communada instead of dying a poor martyr of individualism in the bastion of liberty.

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« Reply #266 on: March 07, 2018, 02:30:40 PM »
speculation about genetic memory

What's Peterson's ranking of the Assassin's Creed games?

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« Reply #267 on: March 07, 2018, 02:43:16 PM »
Peterson goes around and speaks to groups of mostly young people who are mostly young men to encourage them to focus on their lives and responsibilities, not get caught up in collectivism and not end up the psycho who shoots up schools.

Welp. I certainly did not expect "Jordan Peterson's fans are the sort of dudes you'd expect to snap and murder a bunch of their classmates" to show up in this thread as a pro-Peterson take.

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« Reply #268 on: March 07, 2018, 02:51:49 PM »
I attack him because he is popular and makes money.

But it's not out of jealousy, I swear.

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« Reply #269 on: March 07, 2018, 02:58:20 PM »
Or it's because people go in at the first target on the front row. Of the youtube "intellectuals" this is the only guy I know

I'm liking the you're just jealous routine though. It's like we're back on NeoGAF.

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« Reply #270 on: March 07, 2018, 03:08:39 PM »

*User was warned for: Making light of sexual assault. S1.


Did peterson touch you eti? Do you want to talk about it? :-*

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« Reply #271 on: March 07, 2018, 03:14:37 PM »
I attack him because he is popular and makes money.

But it's not out of jealousy, I swear.
Oh damn, inserting two more premises and insisting on them being correct is gonna do it.

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« Reply #272 on: March 07, 2018, 03:41:18 PM »
I attack him because he is popular and makes money.

But it's not out of jealousy, I swear.

Don't forget his huge cock as well.

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« Reply #273 on: March 07, 2018, 03:41:35 PM »
Of the youtube "intellectuals" this is the only guy I know

Yeah, for me it's him and Logan Paul.

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« Reply #274 on: March 07, 2018, 03:47:40 PM »
I thought Logan Paul was just some dude that peddles shit to kids. "Buy this shirt on which I laugh at a dead guy."

5 year old girl: "He's my hero.   :-* "

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« Reply #275 on: March 07, 2018, 04:06:56 PM »
And by et's adamantium-clad logic, he would no doubt never criticize some successful person on the Left like Cenk Uygur or Rachel Maddow because doing so would be nothing more than a sign of immense jealousy.

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« Reply #276 on: March 07, 2018, 04:10:11 PM »
I'd critique what they get wrong. If someone asked me why I did so, my response wouldn't be "they're making money off you and they are big right now!"

Because that reeks of immature jealousy.

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« Reply #277 on: March 07, 2018, 04:29:02 PM »
the bore bully squad strikes again, next they'll be doxxing Jordan Peterson

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« Reply #278 on: March 07, 2018, 04:31:40 PM »
Mandark being reductive is a lot funnier than Etiolate being reductive.
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« Reply #279 on: March 07, 2018, 04:42:59 PM »
it has limited appeal. Sometimes it's just transgressive and annoying.
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« Reply #280 on: March 07, 2018, 04:52:07 PM »
^^This is what Peterson references in that the threat of violence forms how men talk to each other, with the positive view being that it civilizes discussion by putting down boundaries.

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« Reply #281 on: March 07, 2018, 04:59:52 PM »
I don't think it's any deeper than Mandark doesn't think it's worth his time or a dignified response but can still milk some snark out for self satisfaction.
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« Reply #282 on: March 07, 2018, 05:30:13 PM »
It does not make you jealous, but you aren't really who I am talking about.


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« Reply #283 on: March 07, 2018, 05:36:32 PM »
I don't think it's any deeper than Mandark doesn't think it's worth his time or a dignified response but can still milk some snark out for self satisfaction.

Yup.

Like the lipstick thing. It's just so brazenly, self-evidently idiotic that I can't imagine a functioning adult who's ever held a job would take it seriously unless they were being deliberately thick, in which case I'm not getting through in any case. I just feel too old to want to push that particular boulder up the hill.

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« Reply #284 on: March 07, 2018, 06:01:43 PM »
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/971195232703406081


https://twitter.com/craigsilverman/status/971378991331409920?s=21

Glad to see Peterson applies as much academic rigor into confirming whether or not that's a real twitter account, as he did with the C-16 bill.

It's amazing what an outsized role Antifa plays in the right-wing imagination as compared to their actual real world presence. I'm sure Zizek would have something to say about that.

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« Reply #285 on: March 07, 2018, 06:04:32 PM »


Zizek's headshot :dead He really does look like a raccoon

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« Reply #286 on: March 07, 2018, 07:17:21 PM »
I don't think it's any deeper than Mandark doesn't think it's worth his time or a dignified response but can still milk some snark out for self satisfaction.

If that were truly the case then he wouldn't be posting. That he invests the time he does betrays him.

When you really don't care then you don't even talk about it.

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« Reply #287 on: March 07, 2018, 07:21:25 PM »
I'd critique what they get wrong. If someone asked me why I did so, my response wouldn't be "they're making money off you and they are big right now!"

Because that reeks of immature jealousy.

....you can't be serious.

But I think you are.

You honestly don't think THAT'S the main issue here, do you? That Peterson is making a lot of money? I mean, yes, I mentioned his Patreon earnings, but that was in response to your question about why we're all talking about him. It wasn't a rebuttal to his comments about feminists wanting to be raped by ISIS soldiers.

I mean, even if you think JP is worthy enough to be lumped in with people like Plato and Descartes, surely you could realize that it's possible that somebody somewhere might disagree, and *gasp* dislike the shit he says, right?

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« Reply #288 on: March 07, 2018, 07:34:52 PM »
I see the commentary so far as fairly puckish, and hardly violent.

I personally choose not to take Peterson too seriously on a broader level as he is a clinical psychologist who is taking it on himself to skewer 21st century society with pop sociology hot-takes. The indignance from himself and his supporters about how misunderstood he is, when he has such a strong platform to speak on and is quickly becoming one of the most well-known psychs of the 21st Century, is so, so obnoxious. There is some confirmation bias at play here, but I notice other commentators who specialise in conservative public intellectual hot-takes, have a tendency to victimise themselves when people react to their assertions with "toxic" "vicious" responses, it's a classic defense mechanism that doesn't really work when you have a powerful platform (or works really well depending on your perspective). A recent example being Katie Roiphes hot-take Harpers piece on Twitter feminism, much of the premise I can somewhat agree with, but she paints herself and her interviewess as victims oppressed by "The Culture" and twitter thought-police, when she personally engaged in under-handed tactics exposing someone which resulted in death-threats to them, and is getting published in Harpers, New York Times, being interviewed on CBS, wrote an infamous book in the 90s challenging the number of campus rape allegations being reported (why???), and that's all im really familiar with, but the point being she has a history of positioning herself as a contrarian, asserting she is being persecuted for her opinion by a toxic cabal of activists when she has a precedent for toxicity herself and her voice is hardly being held down. There is little more obnoxious than throwing stones, then being indignant when they're thrown back.
https://harpers.org/archive/2018/03/the-other-whisper-network-2/.


Further regarding my opins on Peterson; what he argues for, and how he argues it, is sometimes as reactionary, inflammatory and misguided as parts of the reactionary culture he rails against. Many of his arguments, and discussions of sociological phenomena to me seem like the academic equivalent of saying "just walk it off" when you have a broken leg. He is a clinical pysch, which focusses on individual treatment. The simplicity of the lipstick debate is so lazy and self flagellating. He doesn't even seem to care, and sounds like a frustrated frat boy on debate night. I also find his broader arguments benefit an adherence to tradition, and prudishness I personally don't vibe with.

There are so many factors which comprise our identity culturally and individually, and there are other public intellectuals whose opinions I'm more inclined to listen to that have dedicated their lives to solutions and allying themselves with progress, rather than making a name in adversity to improving rights for the oppressed. Though considered flawed (according to some psych major friends, i mean, it's a social science after all) I really love Claude Steeles work on Stereotype Threat. I believe true understanding of society will come from arduous study presented in a constructive way, with a willingness to accept where your assertions may be flawed.


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« Reply #289 on: March 07, 2018, 08:34:16 PM »
I would recommend critiquing something he's said rather than spending so much effort to portray him as some unworthy thing.  I would start with understanding the lipstick discussion since it sparks the most response with little understanding.

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« Reply #290 on: March 07, 2018, 09:44:08 PM »
^^This obnoxious, bad faith way of arguing is why everybody here is mean to you

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Imagine you're at the office, and a young-ish male coworker comes to you for advice. "[REDACTED FEMALE COWORKER] is wearing red lipstick and..."

A) "it arouses such animal lust in me that I don't know if I can control it."

B) "that means she wants me to see her sexually, right?"

C) "it's such a direct display of sexuality that even if it's not harassment, it makes me uncomfortable to be around her. Can someone tell her it's inappropriate?"



Does anyone say anything other than a variant of "dude, it's just makeup, don't act fucking weird about it"? I refuse to believe anyone here is actually that poorly socialized, except maybe G.

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« Reply #292 on: March 07, 2018, 10:47:05 PM »
(Image removed from quote.)

Zizek's headshot :dead He really does look like a raccoon
He always looks like he is coked out of his mind. Yet he is fat :-\   maybe its just how a naturally dysfunctional commie brain is wired :-*

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« Reply #293 on: March 07, 2018, 11:04:50 PM »
A) On the watchlist, and I would likely report it

B) Well yeah, everybody wants to be sexy to some extent. But she's not necessarily targeting you, or anyone, this is normal fashion you putz.

C) On the watchlist
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« Reply #294 on: March 07, 2018, 11:05:54 PM »
He says the sinus stuff and the nose touching are all nervous tics. Dude has some high anxiety.

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« Reply #295 on: March 07, 2018, 11:11:03 PM »
yeah that happens when you figure out nothing is real
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« Reply #296 on: March 08, 2018, 03:01:04 AM »
My boyfriend (John…not his real name) and I like a bit of light kink mixed in with role play. Nothing too unusual, some boss/secretary stuff, some teacher/student stuff, that kind of thing. It’s fun, maybe something we do once a week or so? Last night my boyfriend started a professor thing…that was cool with me, although he seemed a little more nervous than usual. Once we got into it, he asked me to call him Professor Peterson. A couple of days before we’d been watching some of Jordan Peterson’s videos. I hadn’t really thought much about him, but my boyfriend was excited to show me…he says Dr. Peterson has been helping him figure some stuff out in his life.

I watched the videos and thought some of the stuff he had to say was okay (yeah, take responsibility for your life, for sure), but some of it was just a bit weird over the top alpha male for me (something about not respecting men who won’t fight or something?). It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way.

So anyway, when my boyfriend brought up the Dr. Peterso thing I knew where it was coming from. I really like to be accommodating in bed…I totally get off on it actually. So I went through with it but in the end I wasn’t super comfortable. John has brought it up every day since then…he’s got some real dom fantasies that he wants to act out as Jordan Peterson. I don’t know, like, should I look more into these videos and see if I change my mind about him? Should I play along? I can tell John is totally into it…he’s normally a sex two or three times a week kind of guy but he wants it ALL the time now. I’m happy he’s feeling more horny and I don’t want to shut him down (I’m normally the high libido one). What should I do?

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« Reply #297 on: March 08, 2018, 03:14:56 AM »
Relationship with John over.

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« Reply #298 on: March 08, 2018, 03:34:06 AM »
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« Reply #299 on: March 08, 2018, 07:30:15 AM »
I would recommend critiquing something he's said rather than spending so much effort to portray him as some unworthy thing.  I would start with understanding the lipstick discussion since it sparks the most response with little understanding.

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Y'know this is something my wife has pointed out too, but this is the problem, I know how to stand up to a man that's unfairly trespassing against me. I know this because the parameters, the parameters for my resistance are quite well defined, we talk, we argue, we push, and then it becomes physical. If we move beyond the boundaries of civil discourse we know what the next step is.

I remember Mike Cernovich saying something about this in that literary masterpiece The Gorilla Mindset. TALK, ARGUE, PUSH, PHYSICAL.

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That's FORBIDDEN in, in discourse with women. And so I don't think men can control crazy women, i don't think, i really don't believe it (high pitched kermit sound). I think that they have to throw their hands up in, in, in. in, in. what. in. in. It's not even disbelief, it's that the cultural. There's no step forward that you can take under those circumstances because if the man is offensive enough and crazy enough they, they, the reaction becomes physical right away, or at least the threat is there. And when men are talking to each-other in any serious manner that threat of physicality is always there. Especially if it's a real conversation, and it keeps the thing civilised to some degree.

Y'know if you're talking to a man who wouldn't fight with you under any circumstances whatsoever, then you're talking to someone to whom you have absolutely no respect. Por ejemplo; there's a women in Toronto who's been uh, organising this movement, let's say against me and some other people who are going to do a free speech uh, uh, event and she managed to organise quite effectively, and she's quite um offensive you might say. She compared us to NAZIS for example, which y'know, publicly, using the Swastika which isn't really something I was all that fond of. But i, i, i'm defenseless against that kind of FEMALE insanity. Because the, techniques that I would use against a man who was employing those tactics are forbidden to me.

The premise here, and the necessity for control, does infer some fascistic tendencies. Conversations are a literal arms race in every male interaction for Peterson, and mutually assured destruction is the only reason civilised discourse prevails. If you don't hold some physical threat over him, no respect can be given.

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So I don't know, it seems to me that it isn't men that have to stand up and say enough of this, even though that's what they should do. It seems to me it's sane WOMEN who have to stand up against their crazy sisters, and say look, enough of that, enough MAN HATING, enough PATHOLOGY, enough bringing disgrace on us as a, as a, gender. But, the problem there, and I'll stop my little tirade, is that most of the women I know who are SANE, are busy doing SANE THINGS. Right? They're off, they have their career, they have their family, they're quite occupied, they don't seem to have the time, or maybe even the interest to go after their CRAZY HARPY SISTERS, and so I don't see any regulating force without that terrible femininity. And it seems to me to be (*pause* jazz hands) invading the culture, and undermining the masculine POWER of the culture in a way that's... I think... FATAL."

The best argument he made here is for eschewing femininity as it is considered a shackle for women by men, transforming threatening harpies into docile, subservient, physically inferior creatures. Such a strong misogynistic and debased view of human interaction does not warrant further investigation. He is not helping anyone. This way lies madness.

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