I was well aware of domestic abuse and sexual assault issues before the SNES launched too.
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She wasn’t representing her company, she was just exisiting The part where an unqualified man told a qualified woman how her job works after she just explained itThat’s like the dictionary definition of mansplaining lmao
The nerve of that woman. Using the word asshat! She totally deserves gator scum going after her and her family.
QuoteConsidering that Dreoir was being super polite I'm not sure how it's an insane request to expect similar civility from her.Your concern trolling is very cute
Considering that Dreoir was being super polite I'm not sure how it's an insane request to expect similar civility from her.
QuoteNo, we're not saying that at all. We've been saying no response would not have resulted in this outcome for many pages. That wouldn't "extend or withdraw" anything.But apparently by isolating to a small subset of arguments then expanding it to a major position you can argue against is par for the course.The ability for this to happen is part for the course with regard to private property.That it doesn't always happen is circumstantial. Every day, someone may have the abiltity to murder you without consequence, and they often choose not to.The point is rather that the ability for this to happen at all shouldn't exist. At the very least, the ability to deprive someone of a secure existence should reside within a much greater community than a group of owners of private property.This argument is much closer to an argument about whether a slave owner should or should not have beaten or killed a slave. It's on that same moral and structural level.On a completely disregarded level would be a conversation about whether the master-slave relationship is one that should continue to exist.I don't see that level of argument about this case. There's room for it, though.
No, we're not saying that at all. We've been saying no response would not have resulted in this outcome for many pages. That wouldn't "extend or withdraw" anything.But apparently by isolating to a small subset of arguments then expanding it to a major position you can argue against is par for the course.
QuoteConsidering that Dreoir was being super polite I'm not sure how it's an insane request to expect similar civility from her.This whole situation would be different if she had dealt with someone who was actually harassing her, she didn't though and so here we are.Hey if you'd had things mansplained to you your whole life you'd probably be on edge too. Not saying it was right, but this isn't where the focus should be clearly. I guess it's about ethics in asshats now or something.
Considering that Dreoir was being super polite I'm not sure how it's an insane request to expect similar civility from her.This whole situation would be different if she had dealt with someone who was actually harassing her, she didn't though and so here we are.
"Person" huh. Might want to be careful, your whistle is becoming fairly audible.
Quote from: LaborI guess people think th only reason she was disciplined was because of gamergate pressure and not because she very publicly insulted a customerWhy did you think it “blew up”? And what about Arenanet at the very least considering the fucking ramifications of emboldening a hate mob who hate and targets outspoken women in games?
I guess people think th only reason she was disciplined was because of gamergate pressure and not because she very publicly insulted a customer
Mods must be having a discord fight over bans in that thread. BDS was banned, now she's not. The pro-Price vs anti-price bans are going back and forth like crazy.
I mean, firing her really aggravated the GG crowd and left two productive developers without work. I don't think her rudeness was worth that.So looking at things in general, and considering how work is someone's entire livelihood, I think this should've been dealt with less severely/hastily.
Note to self: don't hire people who tell you at the job interview that they like to be assholes on social media.
QuoteI'm not about to read 25 pages but an I assume that people aren't siding with gamer gate being a dumpster fire right? Like we're all in agreement of fuck GG I hope.Not really any outright supporters. Just people doing their best to obfuscate the argument away from the horrible thing Arenanet did, and emphasize the atrocity that was calling an annoying/rude person on twitter one of a number of asshats.
I'm not about to read 25 pages but an I assume that people aren't siding with gamer gate being a dumpster fire right? Like we're all in agreement of fuck GG I hope.
QuoteI don't understand why so many people who support the firing are in this thread arguing and being angry. You got what you wanted! Smile and be happy instead!They just want to be happy she’s fired without being called out for their dislike of outspoken women in games or worry about the implications that the firing has on people in the industry
I don't understand why so many people who support the firing are in this thread arguing and being angry. You got what you wanted! Smile and be happy instead!
QuoteWho is saying she deserves the hateful scum being thrown her way?This thread..The only reason she was fired because GGer's got all upset. So, if you think her firing was in any way justified, then you think the hateful stuff being thrown her away is justified as well.
Who is saying she deserves the hateful scum being thrown her way?This thread..
Man I fucking hate Gamer Gate. I'm still researching the rest of the context though.
In no other industry would the entire community be up in arms about a case that is between a employee and her employer and or their lawyers.If she was fired unjustly there's a ton of things she can do that don't involve Al Gore's greatest invention.
Some people in this thread are trying to have a legitimate conversation, such as PogChamp who was asking genuine questions about how to approach women in this sort of scenario and why they might react the way they do and seemed interested in learning. Others are merely trolling with Gamergate rhetoric, constantly changing the justifications for why she deserved to be fired, and choosing to focus on this controversy solely as a labor issue (in which we've apparently decided the corporation is the good guy) rather than a social issue as it is clearly being viewed by many women in this thread and elsewhere.QuoteAnd am I going crazy or were you banned a second ago?Somebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.
And am I going crazy or were you banned a second ago?
QuoteSomebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.Fucking irony. these idiots are literally proving your point with their actions."Hey in a nice guy and not sexist at all but i think you should be reported!"
Somebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.
Benji you are just the very image of unbridled delight here
I guess it's more convenient to think Journalists are just part of an agenda, and fellow devs that will never work at arenanet are voicing out of some false concern lmao.
QuoteWell lets try to be productive then instead of yelling at each other. How should he have disagreed with what she said about dialogue options without coming off as mansplaining?Maybe realize you're not the first or five hundredth dude trying to be "productive" and "suggest" how she should do her job?
Well lets try to be productive then instead of yelling at each other. How should he have disagreed with what she said about dialogue options without coming off as mansplaining?
QuoteSomebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.I know some of them tried to infiltrate these forums and to this day they're still here playing dumb and showing their true colors from time to time; their behavior is pathetic.
I have to wonder why all the pearl clutching about poor devs being shackled to the responsibility of representing their company on social media 24/7 when they go out of their way to signal their association to their employer on social media.. surely this is internet 101 stuff they teach in college.
QuoteSomebody apparently decided to falsely report me for trolling and it got cleared up.That's some bullshit and I'm sorry you have to deal with that. I disagree with you on some points regarding the firing of JP but it saddens me to see this community resorting to crap like this. Era was literally born from taking a stand against this stuff and I seriously thought we could have some level-headed debate without resorting to that kind of crap but this thread is very quickly devolving into name calling and lines in the sand being drawn and I'm seriously not down with that.
Quote from: nudemacusers on July 11, 2018, 07:11:24 PMI have to wonder why all the pearl clutching about poor devs being shackled to the responsibility of representing their company on social media 24/7 when they go out of their way to signal their association to their employer on social media.. surely this is internet 101 stuff they teach in college.you're talking about people doing repetitive manual labor right?
All I've seen is his case being conveniently ignored to push a narrative we really shouldn't push in the climate we have.For fucks sake Battlefield 5 was not that long ago.
i always love, and this isn't just gamergate related, when these threads talk about some "EVENT" that should be a cultural touchstone of some kind like "Battlefield 5" not being that long ago...even though the game isn't coming out for months and he's talking about selected reaction to a teaser trailer
QuoteHold up. You replying to someone with literal fucking barking, isn't trolling?Goddamn, I could be getting away with so much more!Can you just.... not?
Hold up. You replying to someone with literal fucking barking, isn't trolling?Goddamn, I could be getting away with so much more!
Some of you are dead set on empowering GG to be the source of anything and everything. It's like all of you are begging an industry you believe has absolutely no capacity for autonomous thought when it comes to their personnel management to do something here. Funny thing is, if you were right Price would still possibly have a job from all the "Anet doesn't stand by its employees" parroting going on.
that stat tracking site for REE is amazing.
MOD EDIT:With the approval of the OP we're adding articles and changing the title so that people will be able to catch up on and discuss the Guild Wars 2 firings and ArenaNet controversy. Previous threads on the subject have not gone well, so if this thread is going to last, it will need to be more tightly moderated. Please read and very carefully adhere to the following reminders and guidelines. Penalties in this thread may be tougher than usual for the sake of keeping the discussion civil.1. Do not dismiss, downplay, or attempt to justify the ongoing harassment by hate movements or its role in the backlash.2. Do not derail the thread with broad generalizations about journalism or specific media outlets.3. Do not level inflammatory accusations, insults, or hostility at other users.For more information on the controversy that spawned this article, check the links below:QuoteEuroGamer: ArenaNet fires two Guild Wars 2 writers over Twitter exchange with YouTuberThe Verge: Guild Wars studio fires two employees after clash with streamerPC Gamer: Guild Wars 2 writers fired following heated Twitter exchange with streamerPolygon: ArenaNet ‘folded like a cheap card table,’ says fired Guild Wars 2 writerKotaku: Guild Wars 2 Writers Fired For Calling Out Fan on TwitterRock, Paper, Shotgun: ArenaNet throw two Guild Wars 2 writers to the wolvesAdditional background information:Quote from: B-DubsFor the record Jessica Price has been a target of hate movements for at least a year before her recent comments and firing. Several sites and subreddits popular among hate movements like r/Kotakuinaction and Kiwifarms had threads or comments labeling her as a "notorious SJW" when she left the company she previously worked at before Arenanet. The thread on the GW2 subreddit about her joining ArenaNet was locked by moderators after it was derailed by negative comments about her and her "politics" – https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6oplet/jessica_price_joins_arenanet_narrative_team/It's simply not accurate to suggest that Jessica only became a target of harassment after she was already fired.
EuroGamer: ArenaNet fires two Guild Wars 2 writers over Twitter exchange with YouTuberThe Verge: Guild Wars studio fires two employees after clash with streamerPC Gamer: Guild Wars 2 writers fired following heated Twitter exchange with streamerPolygon: ArenaNet ‘folded like a cheap card table,’ says fired Guild Wars 2 writerKotaku: Guild Wars 2 Writers Fired For Calling Out Fan on TwitterRock, Paper, Shotgun: ArenaNet throw two Guild Wars 2 writers to the wolves
For the record Jessica Price has been a target of hate movements for at least a year before her recent comments and firing. Several sites and subreddits popular among hate movements like r/Kotakuinaction and Kiwifarms had threads or comments labeling her as a "notorious SJW" when she left the company she previously worked at before Arenanet. The thread on the GW2 subreddit about her joining ArenaNet was locked by moderators after it was derailed by negative comments about her and her "politics" – https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6oplet/jessica_price_joins_arenanet_narrative_team/It's simply not accurate to suggest that Jessica only became a target of harassment after she was already fired.
I was wondering what the ban spike might be like today and checked out that graph page again, they have added a graph of threads with the most actionings!! https://resetbanbot.github.io/graphs/(Image removed from quote.)The world record is not that exciting, it's an extremely old post that they have kept open for 349 pages for some reasonI have no idea how the thread hasn't run its course/become unproductive yet
I can't, for the life of me, imagine a world where I would post almost 50 times daily in those types of threads.
Hey how do all of the people in this thread who think Price deserved to be fired also think Kamiya’s tweets are funny?
"Nonono, she was mean on the internet, and to top it all she was mean to a streamer!!!Oh, did you read Kamiya's tweets today? God, I love him so much."
Well, he's a true legend. Price is just a SJW who should listen to every man on Twitter about what the proper way to do her job is, calmly and without incident.
But Kamiya's is japanese and work culture is different and he's a director and a higher position and he's his own boss, but not really, because he works under someone too, but he created the company .....or something.
She was almost totally fired because of hate mob pressure. If this shit blew over they'd still have jobs. I feel like anyone pretending that Arenanet wasn't backed into making an action is just naive.
No, we're to the "gamers have the right to get any dev fired for their politics if they can bait them long enough into blowing up."
QuoteHey how do all of the people in this thread who think Price deserved to be fired also think Kamiya’s tweets are funny?Quote"Nonono, she was mean on the internet, and to top it all she was mean to a streamer!!!Oh, did you read Kamiya's tweets today? God, I love him so much."QuoteWell, he's a true legend. Price is just a SJW who should listen to every man on Twitter about what the proper way to do her job is, calmly and without incident.QuoteBut Kamiya's is japanese and work culture is different and he's a director and a higher position and he's his own boss, but not really, because he works under someone too, but he created the company .....or something.wow, gamergate is truly everywhere
Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/posts/10290783/QuoteI haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.BDS is a really underrated member imo
QuoteI haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.
I haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?
Serious question, I'm leaving for London tomorrow worst timing ever!Do I have to tell people I am from Canada or Mexico, instead of the US? Is there danger? Should I explain I went to protest too? Im really trying to see the beautiful castles and history around London.
I was thinking of buying a Canadian t shirt from like Target and wearing it while there, I mean I want to go to pubs and stuff, I just don't want to get my ass kicked.
TQuote from: B-Dubs, post: 10292378, member: 143For the record Jessica Price has been a target of hate movements for at least a year before her recent comments and firing. Several sites and subreddits popular among hate movements like r/Kotakuinaction and Kiwifarms had threads or comments labeling her as a "notorious SJW" when she left the company she previously worked at before Arenanet. The thread on the GW2 subreddit about her joining ArenaNet was locked by moderators after it was derailed by negative comments about her and her "politics" – https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6oplet/jessica_price_joins_arenanet_narrative_team/It's simply not accurate to suggest that Jessica only became a target of harassment after she was already fired.Thank you, the fact that Price was fired so swiftly after the incident grants ArenaNet ZERO deniability that they weren't influenced by a hate mob. They caved as soon as it was convenient to.
This is one of the major things I think people need to grasp. There are devs and people in gaming being shitty on Twitter and rude to fans all the time. It's not uncommon. The behavior isn't mind bending, it's just that gamers are selective of what they will let go and almost 100% of the time they don't let shit go when it involves women saying things that are pro women.
Double standards are a myth to be honest.
Female posters are being accused of getting preferential treatment from mods in this thread. It's far beyond hostile.
Quote from: benjipwns on July 11, 2018, 06:26:24 PMQuote from: https://www.resetera.com/posts/10290783/QuoteI haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.BDS is a really underrated member imoDid you guys see that BDS got banned for this post for (I think) 5 days for "trolling"? And that the ban has now been erased?
QuotePeople if there is any one lesson to take away from this it's Chill and Let Chill. I think we're starting to get too hostile in here.Actually no, I don't think people should chill just so moderates are comfortable.
People if there is any one lesson to take away from this it's Chill and Let Chill. I think we're starting to get too hostile in here.
Quote from: newmoneytrash, post: 10292867, member: 4927The difference isn’t the firing, it’s the outragePeople in this thread are condemning Price’s actions, acting like it’s unfathomable that she could possible act in such a wayKamiya actively acts like an asshole toward his fans for sport and is celebrated for itI wonder what the difference isbark bark bark bark bark bark bark
The difference isn’t the firing, it’s the outragePeople in this thread are condemning Price’s actions, acting like it’s unfathomable that she could possible act in such a wayKamiya actively acts like an asshole toward his fans for sport and is celebrated for itI wonder what the difference is
Quote from: PogiJones on July 11, 2018, 07:42:00 PMDid you guys see that BDS got banned for this post for (I think) 5 days for "trolling"? And that the ban has now been erased?yep, mods are apparently at odds. juicy, juicy odds.
Did you guys see that BDS got banned for this post for (I think) 5 days for "trolling"? And that the ban has now been erased?
QuoteThe difference isn’t the firing, it’s the outragePeople in this thread are condemning Price’s actions, acting like it’s unfathomable that she could possible act in such a wayKamiya actively acts like an asshole toward his fans for sport and is celebrated for itI wonder what the difference isbark bark bark bark bark bark bark
User banned (2 days): trolling, derailingQuoteNo, I really don't.If I were to reply to you with "bark bark bark bark bark" and nothing else, I would be banned on the spot.dw i gotchu bruh
No, I really don't.If I were to reply to you with "bark bark bark bark bark" and nothing else, I would be banned on the spot.
Quote from: bork on July 11, 2018, 07:39:54 PMKamiya is amazing. All he does now is block anyone who tweets anything to him in English after telling them how stupid they are for not reading his pinned tweet saying he'll do just that. You are easilly amazed.
Kamiya is amazing. All he does now is block anyone who tweets anything to him in English after telling them how stupid they are for not reading his pinned tweet saying he'll do just that.
You can't have a conversation when people come in and pretend to be dumb instead of engaging in all the arguments presented.This won't change until the mod team gets more on the case in this thread. And I honestly am losing any interest in engaging in good faith after the 20th"Jessica price deserved this. What do you mean with Peter Fries? Who is that? Why is this about gender again?"It is just absolutely baffling after 8 years of documented garbage people still cannot give the slightest big of empathy here. Every judgement is made in a vaccuum of personal bias.
Please get back on topic and stop sniping at each other personally.
Quote from: PogiJones on July 11, 2018, 07:42:00 PMQuote from: benjipwns on July 11, 2018, 06:26:24 PMQuote from: https://www.resetera.com/posts/10290783/QuoteI haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.BDS is a really underrated member imoDid you guys see that BDS got banned for this post for (I think) 5 days for "trolling"? And that the ban has now been erased?yep, mods are apparently at odds. juicy, juicy odds.
