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[bdoughty]

A mob catstrophizing and drawing attention to stuff that triggers them is basically how you get someone fired for social media posts though....

And honestly if what she said in her interviews is even partially true, that the company knew of her outspokenness on issues when they hired her, and even encouraged it, encouraged her and others to speak out and was completely ok with her social media behavior up until that point, it seems pretty likely the CEO was bending to the mob. Or at least his perception of it.

if what she said in her interviews - Allison Rapp
if what she said in her interviews - Brianna Wu
if what she said in her interviews - Etc, Etc, Etc

How many infractions did she have with the company before this incident?
How many warnings did she have for her behavior on the internet?
How on Earth is it pretty likely the CEO was bending to the mod?
Are you having sex with the person in their HR department?
How are you not posting on Reeeeeee? You are like their poster child for defending the indefensible.

Now feel free and call me a Nazi.

[Assimilate]

A mob catstrophizing and drawing attention to stuff that triggers them is basically how you get someone fired for social media posts though....

And honestly if what she said in her interviews is even partially true, that the company knew of her outspokenness on issues when they hired her, and even encouraged it, encouraged her and others to speak out and was completely ok with her social media behavior up until that point, it seems pretty likely the CEO was bending to the mob. Or at least his perception of it.

lol they knew she's a dumb cunt that celebrates cancer victims' death and accuses customers of sexism for daring to offer polite constructive criticism? Thankfully the developer and developers like them will think twice now before hiring these fucking lunatics.

Given the frequency of unhinged responses like yours, I’m more than inclined to believe she probably does experience quite a lot in her online life that has led her to having a short trigger in perceiving things through a lens of misogyny. Even if in this case it seemingly was misguided and in that misguidedness was pounced on by people like you that relish in seeing punishment handed out to people found guilty of wrong-think.

But honestly, this is probably my monthly limit for this cess pool of a thread, TVC’s collection of fart videos would be an improvement to this dumpster fire.

Nola coming in to white knight once again. Typical. An obnoxious cunt can't just be an obnoxious cunt there has to be someone else responsible

[Momo]

I once had a joke in my out of office message and someone complained about it to my boss, he had to call me on vacation to ask me to change it, office workers are petty as fuck man

[Optimus]

A mob catstrophizing and drawing attention to stuff that triggers them is basically how you get someone fired for social media posts though....

And honestly if what she said in her interviews is even partially true, that the company knew of her outspokenness on issues when they hired her, and even encouraged it, encouraged her and others to speak out and was completely ok with her social media behavior up until that point, it seems pretty likely the CEO was bending to the mob. Or at least his perception of it.

lol they knew she's a dumb cunt that celebrates cancer victims' death and accuses customers of sexism for daring to offer polite constructive criticism? Thankfully the developer and developers like them will think twice now before hiring these fucking lunatics.

Given the frequency of unhinged responses like yours, I’m more than inclined to believe she probably does experience quite a lot in her online life that has led her to having a short trigger in perceiving things through a lens of misogyny. Even if in this case it seemingly was misguided and in that misguidedness was pounced on by people like you that relish in seeing punishment handed out to people found guilty of wrong-think.

But honestly, this is probably my monthly limit for this cess pool of a thread, TVC’s collection of fart videos would be an improvement to this dumpster fire.

So what you're saying is that the piece of shit celebrating the cancer victim's death is the REAL victim here.

The only cesspool is you and your ideological allies you constantly defend here. Disgusting.

[bdoughty]

Unhinged is basically Optimus/Assimalte’s default stage of being.

Aww Nazi's got you down in the dumps.

[Stro]

A mob catstrophizing and drawing attention to stuff that triggers them is basically how you get someone fired for social media posts though....

And honestly if what she said in her interviews is even partially true, that the company knew of her outspokenness on issues when they hired her, and even encouraged it, encouraged her and others to speak out and was completely ok with her social media behavior up until that point, it seems pretty likely the CEO was bending to the mob. Or at least his perception of it.

lol they knew she's a dumb cunt that celebrates cancer victims' death and accuses customers of sexism for daring to offer polite constructive criticism? Thankfully the developer and developers like them will think twice now before hiring these fucking lunatics.

Given the frequency of unhinged responses like yours, I’m more than inclined to believe she probably does experience quite a lot in her online life that has led her to having a short trigger in perceiving things through a lens of misogyny. Even if in this case it seemingly was misguided and in that misguidedness was pounced on by people like you that relish in seeing punishment handed out to people found guilty of wrong-think.

But honestly, this is probably my monthly limit for this cess pool of a thread, TVC’s collection of fart videos would be an improvement to this dumpster fire.

What did Optimus say that was unhinged?

He also thinks The Matrix Revolutions is a great movie

[BisMarckie]

Any good puking videos on youtube?

[Nola]

A mob catstrophizing and drawing attention to stuff that triggers them is basically how you get someone fired for social media posts though....

I mean it's hard to ascribe "intent" to the bunch of people who think Price fucked up. Sure, some people were saying "i'm going to boycott unless you fire her", but most of them were just saying how much they disagreed with her for saying what she did. The mob wasn't "whipped up", it was people hearing about what had happened and genuinely thinking the story was worth weighing in on.

The only reason this came back on ArenaNet is because it was her talking about the work she did on the story design that started the twitter fiasco, thus tying their reputation as a company to her words.

Too many people make money from the scam, the fake news people get their clicks, the shills get their patreon money, the anti shills get their patreon money and the rest of us are morbidly curious, why would you expect it to stop

Yeah, it's sad but true.

Like Glenn Beck, they know that any attention is good attention. It keeps them relevant, keeps people invested, and in certain circles increases their social standing.

From everything I’ve seen and read a mob is rarely uniform. But you can tend to parse out what some of the larger triggers for people in the mob are, like in this instance, briefly reading a lot of the threads about people that participated in it, or at least got activated by it negatively, and what they seem to rally around, there are some clear tribal/culture war motivations in a lot of the people outraged. Lots of cheering for getting her fired, pearl clutching over certain statements that cut along videogame culture war lines, and some subtle sexism. The screen caps from the second employee and the onslaught of threats and trolls seem to speak to it as well.

My point there though was it seems fairly likely that the viral nature of this incident and the level of outrage seems to be what got the CEO to fire her.

[bdoughty]

Any good puking videos on youtube?

Two Girls one chuck.

[Momo]

Any good puking videos on youtube?

Two Girls one chuck.

close enough

[thisismyusername]

People just need to put pitchforks away, all around. The ArenaNet woman screwed up in a way that could be fireable offense at a lot of companies, but she also didn't necessarily need to be fired. A reprimand would probably have been fine. But because there was a mob (not Gamergate before the firing, mind you, but a mob nonetheless), the company couldn't really afford to not fire her. But that mob didn't need to form. The attacked dude could have reported it to the company as an individual complaint, and the company could have handled it in a proportional way. But because thousands of people got offended on his behalf, firing her was the only reasonable solution.

Stop forming mobs, people. If someone wrongs someone else, let the wronged handle it. You don't need to rally behind that person like you were all attacked. Only that guy was.

That's all well and good, but she should've been fired from the get-go for turning it into sexism when "allow me to disagree" tweets had nothing to do with "mansplaining" and she got triggered for nothing.

Play stupid games, get stupid results.

[Nola]

A mob catstrophizing and drawing attention to stuff that triggers them is basically how you get someone fired for social media posts though....

And honestly if what she said in her interviews is even partially true, that the company knew of her outspokenness on issues when they hired her, and even encouraged it, encouraged her and others to speak out and was completely ok with her social media behavior up until that point, it seems pretty likely the CEO was bending to the mob. Or at least his perception of it.

if what she said in her interviews - Allison Rapp
if what she said in her interviews - Brianna Wu
if what she said in her interviews - Etc, Etc, Etc

How many infractions did she have with the company before this incident?
How many warnings did she have for her behavior on the internet?
How on Earth is it pretty likely the CEO was bending to the mod?
Are you having sex with the person in their HR department?
How are you not posting on Reeeeeee? You are like their poster child for defending the indefensible.

Now feel free and call me a Nazi.

You sound like a fucking moron. Save your low IQ gamergate shit for people that care enough to keep relitigating 2014 forum culture wars every day of their lives.

...According to all the interviews so far, which is all the evidence we have to go on, she never received a single infraction, never received a warning, and in fact at multiple times was encouraged and made to believe her social media behavior and social advocacy was encouraged and backed by the company. Now whether that is the case we don’t know a 100%. But seeing as this seems in line with all of her past online behavior it seems likely this was a reaction to a viral moment.

[bdoughty]

According to all the interviews so far

Thanks CNN

[nachobro]

Well her statement was that the company was happy with her "speaking truth to power" on Twitter. In this case, she was just being a dick to a customer and company partner.

[marrec]

I can't believe y'all are getting in your feelings about people not being upset enough after a YouTuber died lol

[BisMarckie]

[bdoughty]

Well her statement was that the company was happy with her "speaking truth to power" on Twitter. In this case, she was just being a dick to a customer and company partner.

[Spieler1]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/read-op-shu-yoshida-playstation-4-is-doing-so-well-we-dont-forget-why-were-here-now.54670/page-2

Whenever you see [READ OP]

You know its controversial thread already for one reason or another lol

wow, REEEs are slowly gaining great insight 

[Nola]

Well her statement was that the company was happy with her "speaking truth to power" on Twitter. In this case, she was just being a dick to a customer and company partner.

I assume you are referring to this as well?

Furthermore, she says ArenaNet was not only aware of her outspoken approach to discussing similar issues on social media but encouraging of it. During a job interview with the company, she had told them she was “loud about these issues on social media and had no intention of shutting up. They reassured me that they ‘admired [my] willingness to speak truth to power.’”

It seems like up until this viral moment the company was completely fine with her behavior on social media. Or at least not responsive to it. Seeing as a quick scan of her Twitter there are quite a few incidents where it seems she could be interpreted as confronting a fan of the game in a non positive manner.

[nachobro]

Probably cause up until this viral moment she hadn't called a partner who is so popular with the community and company that he got an NPC in game named after him a "rando asshat". I'm all for going wild on social media, but sometimes you have to consider your targets.

[Optimus]

What did Optimus say that was unhinged?

He probably got triggered because I called the cunt a cunt. You see for Nola and people like Nola words are more powerful than intentions and actions, that's why they appear dignified but their actions and behavior are often despicable.

If you were even a casual fan of TotalBiscuit you'd probably know about the way he tried to help everyone in his path or about his integrity and honesty.  But none of this matters because words are more important than intentions and actions and TB was rude to these scumbags on the internet after they attacked him for trying to be rational and offer his honest opinion. This is a similar situation, Nola not only defends but also tries paint a fucking sociopath that celebrated TB's death as the victim but the one's that's unhinged is me because I used a bad word.

I can't believe y'all are getting in your feelings about people not being upset enough after a YouTuber died lol

Hey look, another one. Thank you both for proving what I've been saying SJWs for years in the most obvious way possible.

[marrec]

Well her statement was that the company was happy with her "speaking truth to power" on Twitter. In this case, she was just being a dick to a customer and company partner.

I assume you are referring to this as well?

Furthermore, she says ArenaNet was not only aware of her outspoken approach to discussing similar issues on social media but encouraging of it. During a job interview with the company, she had told them she was “loud about these issues on social media and had no intention of shutting up. They reassured me that they ‘admired [my] willingness to speak truth to power.’”

It seems like up until this viral moment the company was completely fine with her behavior on social media. Or at least not responsive to it. Seeing as a quick scan of her Twitter there are quite a few incidents where it seems she could be interpreted as confronting a fan of the game in a non positive manner.

My assumption was that there have likely been internal reprimands or at least meetings previous to this. She regularly pops off on Twitter at fans and any company aware of such things would have long ago let someone like that go.

That was until the interview.

Now I just assume she's lying about the companies willingness to look the other way, or she is just withholding information about the previous reprimands.

Hey look, another one. Thank you both for proving what I've been saying SJWs for years in the most obvious way possible.

I like how the sanctity of YouTuber life is the artificial line you've drawn in the sand to justify your awful morality against people, I think that's irony...? Either way, keep fighting the good fight to preserve Total Biscuits integrity post mortem soldier!

[TVC15]

You all deserve every fart video TVC posts. Every last one of you.

They do, they really do.

I’m already cooking up something new to get around bork’s prudery tonight.

If you ACTION me, the beloved mascot of the forum, while failing to MODERATE Assimilate, whom everyone wants banned, the subsequent revolt will make the Fall of NeoGAF look sedate.

[Optimus]

I like how the sanctity of YouTuber life is the artificial line you've drawn in the sand to justify your awful morality against people, I think that's irony...? Either way, keep fighting the good fight to preserve Total Biscuits integrity post mortem soldier!

And you keep fighting to remain the disgusting piece of shit you are, soldier.

[Assimilate]

You all deserve every fart video TVC posts. Every last one of you.

They do, they really do.

I’m already cooking up something new to get around bork’s prudery tonight.

If you ACTION me, the beloved mascot of the forum, while failing to MODERATE Assimilate, whom everyone wants banned, the subsequent revolt will make the Fall of NeoGAF look sedate.

tvc thinks people love his fart posts.

[nachobro]

speaking of mobs, when bork the tyrant inevitably bans TVC like he was some rando asshat the wave of rage will ensure he is destroyed on the rocky shores of youtube semi-porn

[Nola]

Probably cause up until this viral moment she hadn't called a partner who is so popular with the community and company that he got an NPC in game named after him a "rando asshat". I'm all for going wild on social media, but sometimes you have to consider your targets.

I’m actually not against firing her on the merits of that point, if that is indeed a policy. My only contention was it seems fairly likely that the reason for the firing had more to do with the mob outrage - which seems motivated more in punishing her for wrong think than any sort of ethics in customer service - which created that spotlight and pressure to act than the CEO seemingly punishing her based on a strictly maintained and monitored breach of protocol.

[Billy Big Bollocks]

no one expects any one to automatically be gutted about a youtuber dying. but there were people who were actively gleeful he was dead just because he didn't tow the line on their online to and fro, which is pretty sad honestly. If people could have gotten away with calling him and his wife nazis on era like I saw plenty of on twitter, I'm sure they would have too.

I didn't even  like the dude but still found it off

[FStop7]

(Image removed from quote.)

 

Someone smells opportunity

[bdoughty]

TVC is at his/her best when sticking with the grizzly stuff and serial killers. More guy committing suicide by a bandsaw, less of the fart humor.

[BisMarckie]

If anyhting, this thread brought me to glorious Polish Miami bass.

[Transhuman]

A mob catstrophizing and drawing attention to stuff that triggers them is basically how you get someone fired for social media posts though....

I mean it's hard to ascribe "intent" to the bunch of people who think Price fucked up. Sure, some people were saying "i'm going to boycott unless you fire her", but most of them were just saying how much they disagreed with her for saying what she did. The mob wasn't "whipped up", it was people hearing about what had happened and genuinely thinking the story was worth weighing in on.

The only reason this came back on ArenaNet is because it was her talking about the work she did on the story design that started the twitter fiasco, thus tying their reputation as a company to her words.

Too many people make money from the scam, the fake news people get their clicks, the shills get their patreon money, the anti shills get their patreon money and the rest of us are morbidly curious, why would you expect it to stop

Yeah, it's sad but true.

Like Glenn Beck, they know that any attention is good attention. It keeps them relevant, keeps people invested, and in certain circles increases their social standing.

From everything I’ve seen and read a mob is rarely uniform. But you can tend to parse out what some of the larger triggers for people in the mob are, like in this instance, briefly reading a lot of the threads about people that participated in it, or at least got activated by it negatively, and what they seem to rally around, there are some clear tribal/culture war motivations in a lot of the people outraged. Lots of cheering for getting her fired, pearl clutching over certain statements that cut along videogame culture war lines, and some subtle sexism. The screen caps from the second employee and the onslaught of threats and trolls seem to speak to it as well.

My point there though was it seems fairly likely that the viral nature of this incident and the level of outrage seems to be what got the CEO to fire her.

I'd agree to all of that, and even add that some of the sexism was even less than subtle, and I really do wish we didn't live in a society where we didn't railroad people online and try to fuck up their lives. Not Justine Sacco, not Daniel Vávra, and even not Jessica Price.

[nachobro]

I’m actually not against firing her on the merits of that point, if that is indeed a policy. My only contention was it seems fairly likely that the reason for the firing had more to do with the mob outrage - which seems motivated more in punishing her for wrong think than any sort of ethics in customer service - which created that spotlight and pressure to act than the CEO seemingly punishing her based on a strictly maintained and monitored breach of protocol.

oh i'm sure there was more to it than what is made public, there always is in these cases. while this was a bad/dumb move on her part, it doesn't seem to be worth firing someone who (seemingly) is doing good work at their position. so imo there's definitely something else there but we'll likely never know what it is.

[marrec]

no one expects any one to automatically be gutted about a youtuber dying. but there were people who were actively gleeful he was dead just because he didn't tow the line on their online to and fro, which is pretty sad honestly

I didn't even him like the dude but found it really off

I mean, they personally disliked the dude, which doesn't make them some kind of irredeemable monster. People were actively gleeful when Charles Krauthammer dropped too, a dude who had a much greater positive and negative impact on people's lives.

But it's not even a huge deal, Leigh is a bit of a cunt even without her twitter hot take about Jon. All my interactions with her have resulted in her being personally insulting, except for the one time she wanted to cop my interview with aniwey, so she's a fake ass bitch imo. I just find it funny Optimus is using that as his artificial horizon. 

[Kurt Russell]

...According to all the interviews so far, which is all the evidence we have to go on, she never received a single infraction, never received a warning, and in fact at multiple times was encouraged and made to believe her social media behavior and social advocacy was encouraged and backed by the company. Now whether that is the case we don’t know a 100%. But seeing as this seems in line with all of her past online behavior it seems likely this was a reaction to a viral moment.

Pro tip: She will never have sex with you.

[TVC15]

TVC is at his/her best when sticking with the grizzly stuff and serial killers. More guy committing suicide by a bandsaw, less of the fart humor.

The prudes of the forum find both distasteful and say so, but when I post that shit they performatively post about how they’re concerned for me, flapping about like paid grievers at a Chinese funeral. They’re such phony pieces of shit.

Anyway, that stuff typically comes when I have too much free time and indulge my worst interests out of boredom. Farts come when I don’t want to or can’t put in any effort. Rubber, latex, and dirty feet come when I need to cum.

[Rufus]

What did Optimus say that was unhinged?

To me, this qualifies. Though I suppose if you're not as sensitive to them'ing and they'ing then it's not so bad. Not sure if Nola was talking about anything from today, though.

Jesus Christ, Leigh Alexander is a despicable cunt.

Honestly I feel vindicated, mostly to myself. I often exaggerate against people I heavily dislike and there's always some doubt in my mind about the things I assume about them. Their absolutely disgusting response to TB's death and the silence from the rest of these scumbags for the terrible things that were said confirms even the worst suspicions I had about them. They're all human trash. They're still posting articles smearing TB btw, I just read a new one today.

[Nola]

...According to all the interviews so far, which is all the evidence we have to go on, she never received a single infraction, never received a warning, and in fact at multiple times was encouraged and made to believe her social media behavior and social advocacy was encouraged and backed by the company. Now whether that is the case we don’t know a 100%. But seeing as this seems in line with all of her past online behavior it seems likely this was a reaction to a viral moment.

Pro tip: She will never have sex with you.

That’s a relief, I was just texting my girlfriend to let her know how worried that my posts on TheBore, with all the females lurking about, were almost certainly going to lead to rando woman tracking me down to throw pussy at me.

[Transhuman]

no one expects any one to automatically be gutted about a youtuber dying. but there were people who were actively gleeful he was dead just because he didn't tow the line on their online to and fro, which is pretty sad honestly

I didn't even him like the dude but found it really off

I mean, they personally disliked the dude, which doesn't make them some kind of irredeemable monster. People were actively gleeful when Charles Krauthammer dropped too, a dude who had a much greater positive and negative impact on people's lives.

Pretty much. I can't pretend to get indignant about people tweeting gleefully about it Bain dying. We all have someone we wish were no longer around, and who we considered so awful in life that we'd cheer their death just to spite their memory.

[Kurt Russell]

That’s a relief, I was just texting my girlfriend to let her know how worried that my posts on TheBore, with all the females lurking about, were almost certainly going to lead to rando woman tracking me down to throw pussy at me.

Woah, take care man! Wouldn't want you to upset your """""""girlfriend""""""

[Transhuman]

...According to all the interviews so far, which is all the evidence we have to go on, she never received a single infraction, never received a warning, and in fact at multiple times was encouraged and made to believe her social media behavior and social advocacy was encouraged and backed by the company. Now whether that is the case we don’t know a 100%. But seeing as this seems in line with all of her past online behavior it seems likely this was a reaction to a viral moment.

Pro tip: She will never have sex with you.

That’s a relief, I was just texting my girlfriend to let her know how worried that my posts on TheBore, with all the females lurking about, were almost certainly going to lead to rando woman tracking me down to throw pussy at me.

Allow me to throw your way the male equivalent of pussy. Which is friendship.

[Propagandhim]

no one expects any one to automatically be gutted about a youtuber dying. but there were people who were actively gleeful he was dead just because he didn't tow the line on their online to and fro, which is pretty sad honestly

I didn't even him like the dude but found it really off

I mean, they personally disliked the dude, which doesn't make them some kind of irredeemable monster. People were actively gleeful when Charles Krauthammer dropped too, a dude who had a much greater positive and negative impact on people's lives.

Pretty much. I can't pretend to get indignant about people tweeting gleefully about it Bain dying. We all have someone we wish were no longer around, and who we considered so awful in life that we'd cheer their death just to spite their memory.

Yes, but it's obnoxious and absent a sense of decorum to blurt out "Glad the fucker's dead!" while the corpse is still warm.   And there's a sense of cold opportunism that one sees in that contrarian that tweets, "I never liked him to begin with.  Here's why he was an asshole." while everyone is saying their piece.  Again, nothing really wrong besides lacking a sense of grace and decorum -- but it just makes you look unlikeable, and to expect people not to respond to your public behavior is some incredible privilege.  They should keep their glee and scorn to themselves like I keep all my contempt and resentment for other people inside my dark place.

[Transhuman]

Woah, take care man! Wouldn't want you to upset your """""""girlfriend""""""

I legit havn't heard that used as an insult since I was 15. Just accept you got dunked on Kurt

[Broseidon]

That’s a relief, I was just texting my girlfriend to let her know how worried that my posts on TheBore, with all the females lurking about, were almost certainly going to lead to rando woman tracking me down to throw pussy at me.

Woah, take care man! Wouldn't want you to upset your """""""girlfriend""""""

lol how old are you

[Momo]

you guys are all a bunch of cunts being catty to each other over petty shit that doesn't affect your lives, realize this, laugh and find a dumb post to laugh at together.

[bdoughty]

The prudes of the forum find both distasteful and say so, but when I post that shit they performatively post about how they’re concerned for me, flapping about like paid grievers at a Chinese funeral. They’re such phony pieces of shit.

Anyway, that stuff typically comes when I have too much free time and indulge my worst interests out of boredom. Farts come when I don’t want to or can’t put in any effort. Rubber, latex, and dirty feet come when I need to cum.

I was studying to be a criminologist and found serial killers the most intriguing, hence my enjoyment of your posts.

Elizabeth Bathory is a great example. Two really bad movies about her that only focus on the bathing in blood, plus a couple horror movies doing the same. The blood stuff was tame compared to some of the torture she performed on her female servants.

[Transhuman]

no one expects any one to automatically be gutted about a youtuber dying. but there were people who were actively gleeful he was dead just because he didn't tow the line on their online to and fro, which is pretty sad honestly

I didn't even him like the dude but found it really off

I mean, they personally disliked the dude, which doesn't make them some kind of irredeemable monster. People were actively gleeful when Charles Krauthammer dropped too, a dude who had a much greater positive and negative impact on people's lives.

Pretty much. I can't pretend to get indignant about people tweeting gleefully about it Bain dying. We all have someone we wish were no longer around, and who we considered so awful in life that we'd cheer their death just to spite their memory.

Yes, but it's obnoxious and absent a sense of decorum to blurt out "Glad the fucker's dead!" while the corpse is still warm.   And there's a sense of cold opportunism that one sees in that contrarian that tweets, "I never liked him to begin with.  Here's why he was an asshole." while everyone is saying their piece.  Again, nothing really wrong besides lacking a sense of grace and decorum -- but it just makes you look unlikeable, and to expect people not to respond to your public behavior is some incredible privilege.  They should keep their glee and scorn to themselves like I keep all my contempt and resentment for other people inside my dark place.

I mean obviously his loved ones don't want to hear people say that they're glad he's dead, but surely they would know by now he was a figure of animus for some people (and praise for many others).

Other than that though, I see no upside to decorum. Something is either true and well-said, or not.

[Propagandhim]

no one expects any one to automatically be gutted about a youtuber dying. but there were people who were actively gleeful he was dead just because he didn't tow the line on their online to and fro, which is pretty sad honestly

I didn't even him like the dude but found it really off

I mean, they personally disliked the dude, which doesn't make them some kind of irredeemable monster. People were actively gleeful when Charles Krauthammer dropped too, a dude who had a much greater positive and negative impact on people's lives.

Pretty much. I can't pretend to get indignant about people tweeting gleefully about it Bain dying. We all have someone we wish were no longer around, and who we considered so awful in life that we'd cheer their death just to spite their memory.

Yes, but it's obnoxious and absent a sense of decorum to blurt out "Glad the fucker's dead!" while the corpse is still warm.   And there's a sense of cold opportunism that one sees in that contrarian that tweets, "I never liked him to begin with.  Here's why he was an asshole." while everyone is saying their piece.  Again, nothing really wrong besides lacking a sense of grace and decorum -- but it just makes you look unlikeable, and to expect people not to respond to your public behavior is some incredible privilege.  They should keep their glee and scorn to themselves like I keep all my contempt and resentment for other people inside my dark place.

I mean obviously his loved ones don't want to hear people say that they're glad he's dead, but surely they would know by now he was a figure of animus for some people (and praise for many others).

Other than that though, I see no upside to decorum. Something is either true and well-said, or not.

The problem is, absent a sense of decorum, respect, and empathy for the other person at the other end of the computer screen: everyone justifies the mob activity because they think what they're saying is true and well-said.  There are better ways to communicate in public: one of them involves shutting up  for a period of time when someone you don't like passes away.

[SmokyDave]

I can't believe y'all are getting in your feelings about people not being upset enough after a YouTuber died lol

FWIW, I know nothing of TB. I know he was a YouTuber that covered games, and that’s it. Wouldn’t recognise the face or voice or whatever. I do know that he died young of an awful disease, and left behind a widow. That’s enough for me to expect people not to smugly celebrate his death. It’s not a high bar to clear.

As I said, I think Leigh Alexander is despicable. Ever since I first came across her on the Giant Bomb E3 podcast, she’s stood out as a truly horrible person, feigning victimhood to avoid being held accountable for her own aggression. Despite this, you will not see me talk shit about her posthumously. It’s just bare indecent.

It’s even worse when it comes from people pretending to be ‘the good guys’.

[Assimilate]

...According to all the interviews so far, which is all the evidence we have to go on, she never received a single infraction, never received a warning, and in fact at multiple times was encouraged and made to believe her social media behavior and social advocacy was encouraged and backed by the company. Now whether that is the case we don’t know a 100%. But seeing as this seems in line with all of her past online behavior it seems likely this was a reaction to a viral moment.

Pro tip: She will never have sex with you.

That’s a relief, I was just texting my girlfriend to let her know how worried that my posts on TheBore, with all the females lurking about, were almost certainly going to lead to rando woman tracking me down to throw pussy at me.

Allow me to throw your way the male equivalent of pussy. Which is friendship.

  Two white knights defending each other. How cute.

[Spieler1]

What I gathered is that the guy apparently used the term "SJW" a couple of times (or something something moderate), so the most delusional  REEEs apparently felt like his death was like the fall of a dictator. You can only imagine the "behind-closed-doors" festivities if that boogie bowl had a stroke or something.   The only other thing I know is that TB stanned for Godhand, so that alone made him a better person than any hardcore REEE.

[marrec]

I can't believe y'all are getting in your feelings about people not being upset enough after a YouTuber died lol

FWIW, I know nothing of TB. I know he was a YouTuber that covered games, and that’s it. Wouldn’t recognise the face or voice or whatever. I do know that he died young of an awful disease, and left behind a widow. That’s enough for me to expect people not to smugly celebrate his death. It’s not a high bar to clear.

As I said, I think Leigh Alexander is despicable. Ever since I first came across her on the Giant Bomb E3 podcast, she’s stood out as a truly horrible person, feigning victimhood to avoid being held accountable for her own aggression. Despite this, you will not see me talk shit about her posthumously. It’s just bare indecent.

It’s even worse when it comes from people pretending to be ‘the good guys’.

I'll put it this way:

I just don't see the point of being fake, especially on Twitter of all places. It pissed me off when ERA dictated that the thread on TBs death could literally only mention condolences, and it pisses me off when people get all up in arms about someone shit talking post mortem. TB was loved, his family knows he was loved, and there was no shortage of people writing passionately about how he had positively affected their lives.

TB also made lots of mistakes that negatively affected people. Why should they be expected to keep personally silent just cause the dude died? Listen, I respect that you make personal moral decisions based partly on a system of decorum which would keep you from talking shit about Leigh if she were to die (Optimus, not so much) but I just don't see how a twitter hot take about TBs death is somehow good or bad inherently. I don't feel any better about someone sharing their story of positivity, and I don't feel any worse when someone says he was a shit, cause he was a good dude who did some shitty things.

Like I said above tho, Leigh is a shithead regardless of her feelings about TB, I'm sure she's done good things for people but to me personally she's been nothing but shitty.

[Atramental]

you guys are all a bunch of cunts being catty to each other over petty shit that doesn't affect your lives, realize this, laugh and find a dumb post to laugh at together.

I mean... this is the trash thread. 💅

[Transhuman]

But it's not even a huge deal, Leigh is a bit of a cunt even without her twitter hot take about Jon. All my interactions with her have resulted in her being personally insulting, except for the one time she wanted to cop my interview with aniwey, so she's a fake ass bitch imo

Links? Only think I know about Leigh is people hated her because she was obnoxious on a Giantbomb podcast or something

[SmokyDave]

I don’t think people need to be fake. If you’ve nothing nice to say, say nothing. If you want to write an intelligent article about his role in the world and how power and influence are dangerously fickle these days, do so. Later, and with tact. Just don’t post a fucking smug self-congratulating passive-aggressive tweet whilst the body is still warm. Unless you’re a despicable cunt. Now that’s my rule for life, not just for videogame journalists or Twitter or whatever.

I suppose it’s like spitting on the street. It isn’t going to hurt anyone or cause any damage, but if I see you do it, I’ll shudder in distaste. If you pride yourself on how dignified you are when you walk down the street, I’ll have a much bigger issue with you.

Edit: ah fuck, I meant to snip your quote and I’ve killed it instead. Still, you know when I’m talking to you marrec. You go all tingly.

[nachobro]

I don’t think people need to be fake. If you’ve nothing nice to say, say nothing.

though i'm not a fan of totalbiscuit, that was one thing that bugged me about that jessica price anet person when people posted her tweet about TB. It was something like "the nicest thing i can say is that i'm glad he's gone and can't hurt people". actually the nicest thing you could say is nothing at all, but i guess that's impossible these days.

[Nabbis]

Never ceases to amaze me how much of a bubble these "issues" are. Made the mistake of looking here in a while and it's apparently time for Social Justice Wars: The Return Of Totalbiscuit.

[Huff]

maybe dont be stupid on a public facing social media site.

although that may be too much to ask for most

because everyone needs to hear my dumbass opinion

[jorma]

A mob catstrophizing and drawing attention to stuff that triggers them is basically how you get someone fired for social media posts though....

And honestly if what she said in her interviews is even partially true, that the company knew of her outspokenness on issues when they hired her, and even encouraged it, encouraged her and others to speak out and was completely ok with her social media behavior up until that point, it seems pretty likely the CEO was bending to the mob. Or at least his perception of it.

lol they knew she's a dumb cunt that celebrates cancer victims' death and accuses customers of sexism for daring to offer polite constructive criticism? Thankfully the developer and developers like them will think twice now before hiring these fucking lunatics.

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This might be my favourite tweet from JP.

I mean i agree with anyone who says that firing her was harsh, it's someones livelihood after all (just like with the subnautica guy and the african aids lady btw), but when she herself stokes the flames of mob outrage justice it's kinda hard to sympathize.

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

Wasnt Shinobi the one who started the thing to get Adam Orth fired from microsoft for being a bit of a cunt about always online? lol