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[benjipwns]

Racism doesn't affect all non-whites the same. More often than not, racism targets black people, with other non-white races joining in the persecution right alongside white people. The racism black people are victims of is distinct and should not be subsumed under the broader classification of non-white.

neat

[benjipwns]

Eh more like moderates, liberals, some left, some trolls, some probably conservatives I mean maybe some alt-right but I don't mean alt-right when I say not left

so, people then

[HardcoreRetro]

" "Piece of Crap" always comes to mind. I'm black and I'd rather use that. "

At least ResetEra can still manage to make me laugh sometimes.

[EightBitNate]

Good lord.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-not-exactly-a-fan-of-poc-being-used-to-describe-non-white-races.59681/

“Ahem.”

*Walks up to microphone*

“Females...”

crowd audibly gasps

“...of color.”

incoherent screeching ensues

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Facts Annihilated

https://www.resetera.com/threads/it-irks-me-when-people-come-up-with-overly-precise-stats-they-clearly-just-googled-during-a-debate.59728/

[bork]

I love excelsheet jumping into the fray to talk about trans stuff in that thread, and getting mad cause she got told to bugger off.

I like that Excel is on like every page repeating the same dumb point over and over again.  Another thread that got almost derailed with people trying to dogpile on you for your responses to her instead of actually posting about the discussion.  And where are the moderators when needed?  Nope, not warning or banning anyone in there! 

[benjipwns]

from the dunkey thread, RedMercury's vision of how things should work: https://www.resetera.com/posts/11036702/

I get what you're saying and I get why the word is problematic, but you can't start the conversation with "You're a homophobe if you use it," you have to start with "This is is why you shouldn't say it, regardless of how you meant it."

I think that is exactly how you start the conversation. "This is what you are, you have the choice to be this or not be this, choose wisely".

[Nintex]

Facts Annihilated

https://www.resetera.com/threads/it-irks-me-when-people-come-up-with-overly-precise-stats-they-clearly-just-googled-during-a-debate.59728/

Wtf is this imp even talking about

"I don't like it when people look up facts to tell me that I'm wrong"

Just don't waver from your beliefs friend. 

They're probably wondering why you took issue with her post and not the others that agreed with you despite being from an authoritative angle that you disagree with while these terms wouldn't apply to them.

WORDS MAKE SENTENCES ME SMART

And yeah, non-white is a bit problematic. The metaphor above that it's like calling women "non-men" kinda shows why.

But the word Female was offensive so.... 

[benjipwns]

I love excelsheet jumping into the fray to talk about trans stuff in that thread, and getting mad cause she got told to bugger off.

I like that Excel is on like every page repeating the same dumb point over and over again.  Another thread that got almost derailed with people trying to dogpile on you for your responses to her instead of actually posting about the discussion.  And where are the moderators when needed?  Nope, not warning or banning anyone in there! 

That's how she always is and she has to hang around the thread after to show she wasn't defeated. She also seems to have fantastic timing at having others show up to help quote the offending posts she can't seem to stop with her own force of will. There's a reason she's the best and has never once been even warned.

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/videogamedunkey-this-is-a-chicken-wing.59396/page-4#post-11036702

I'm not interested in changing the minds of bigots, I think you diminish their roles and voices through shaming and isolating them from society socially and financially

https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-nyt-editorial-hire-under-fire-for-past-tweets.59570/page-4#post-11047256

Dude, what does this do in particular? There are so many other tools you can use to "fight fire with fire." Tweets like these do literally jack shit to help anything.

They probably felt good to her to get it off her chest. Sure seems to be upsetting a lot of racists.

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

It's like a less fun version of drinky crow

[Nintex]

I already see the future
- Members start spamming the report button and screeching on Discord
- Exodust banned for opening a thread in bad faith and PRIOR SEVERE INFRACTIONS
- Thread closed for 'review' and because 'the discussion had run its course'
- Many bannings, except Excel. Gets a warning for 'generalizing other members'

Another score for Benji and his Russian gamergate hate gang. 

non-POC posters head to the BCT with their pants down.
"Please spank us for being naughty and white uugguuu"

[Cauliflower Of Love]

marrec, you forgot to announce that you looked up preternaturally before use of it.

[benjipwns]

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

That's nonsense. They do and they get taught to do so almost everywhere in the world. If someone can't target a leg or arm from a short distance they shouldn't even be allowed to carry a weapon much less work as a police officer or similar, it would be way too dangerous for bystanders and such.

Which makes this incident all the weirder, I guess maybe it was dark but it really sounds like the cops just sucked at their job?

It's really sad something like this happened.

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

False.

They do shoot to disable, not even a question. Only US cops are incompetent enough to claim it is not possible and spread the misinformation among their citizens.

Really if you want to go that way it is better to use the gun control argument.

[venereology]

I'm gonna need receipts on that one

[marrec]

marrec, you forgot to announce that you looked up preternaturally before use of it.

Only to make sure I spelled it correctly! 

[benjipwns]

this is like the whole point of criticizing the police's tendency to classify all shootings as justified

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sweden-disabled-man-with-toy-gun-killed-by-police.59694/page-2#post-11070852

Swedish police are extremely apprehensive about using lethal force, to the point where some of their police officers carry only non-lethal weapon.

*Googles "Swedish Police"*

4 Swedish police kill man with Down's syndrome carrying toy gun
BBC News
16 hours ago
 

 

edit: Oh, that's what the thread is about.   

[FStop7]

How come I never ever see anyone behaving like a Ree’er in public?

[benjipwns]

TyrantGuardian is definitely a new top favorite:

Fuck this shit, I need a break for a few hours. Literally fuming right now. As if disabled folks in Swedish society aren't getting further and further fucked by declining welfare benefits already, now this type of shit happens and you immediately have people desperately trying to rationalize and justify this for the sake of being rational and neutral. What the fuck is wrong with people? Next time someone questions my non-apologetic radical stance on human rights issues, look no further. Literally ashamed of the human race over shit like this.

[Momo]

How come I never ever see anyone behaving like a Ree’er in public?

cause people would immediately walk the fuck away

[Propagandhim]

TyrantGuardian is definitely a new top favorite:

Fuck this shit, I need a break for a few hours. Literally fuming right now. As if disabled folks in Swedish society aren't getting further and further fucked by declining welfare benefits already, now this type of shit happens and you immediately have people desperately trying to rationalize and justify this for the sake of being rational and neutral. What the fuck is wrong with people? Next time someone questions my non-apologetic radical stance on human rights issues, look no further. Literally ashamed of the human race over shit like this.

Rationalize for the sake of being rational, as opposed to rationalizing things for the sake of squaring your delusions?

[EightBitNate]

How come I never ever see anyone behaving like a Ree’er in public?

You mean you haven’t realized the posters on RE are just trolls yet?

[daemon]

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

That's nonsense. They do and they get taught to do so almost everywhere in the world. If someone can't target a leg or arm from a short distance they shouldn't even be allowed to carry a weapon much less work as a police officer or similar, it would be way too dangerous for bystanders and such.

Which makes this incident all the weirder, I guess maybe it was dark but it really sounds like the cops just sucked at their job?

It's really sad something like this happened.

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

False.

They do shoot to disable, not even a question. Only US cops are incompetent enough to claim it is not possible and spread the misinformation among their citizens.

Really if you want to go that way it is better to use the gun control argument.

It's a great idea to shoot at legs. I mean, it's not like there's an artery that when ruptured will make you perish in minutes

[benjipwns]

look just shoot em in the knee, apparently that's how the Dutch police do things

[Joe Molotov]

Does the Bore belong in the alt-right, gamergate or Russia category?

No Russian.

[benjipwns]

I took the stance with her because she came off as an expert to me, I reminded her that it's not her place to act that way. Others aren't as authoritative to me. You take issue with that? Fine. Do so. We can agree to disagree or you can keep engaging in a fruitless endeavor because of perceived slight at someone else.

Really? Perceived slight? That's straight up telling someone to shut up.

Shut up and listen, no?

[benjipwns]

No Russian.

Joe, any comment on this brewing sex scandal involving the moderation here?

[VomKriege]

You'll find some cases mentioning disabling shots probably but AFAIK all cops are taught to shoot center mass because that's the most reliable way to hit anything (I believe studies have overwhelmingly proved that even trained cops have terrible accuracy due to how stressful a shooting is) and the gun is only supposed to be used in last resort : at that point the threat is supposed to be extreme, imminent and to be neutralized. Besides, as mentioned, there's no reliably "begign" gunshot.

[sphagnum]

It simply means the organizing principle are what we'd now call interest groups. Tripartism identifies the interest groups as the workers, the industry and the state. It then establishes bargaining agreements between all three members. This was how the fascists organized their economies, how the U.S. did under the NRA until it was found unconstitutional, and how most of the most right-wing government possible* Yurop handles its employee-employer negotiations to this day. You join the guild or union for your industry, like the Steel industry, which negotiates with the Steel companies and the state. Individuals only matter so far as they are included in their corporate body. (What the Nazi's did was define belonging to the corporate body of the "nation" as ethnically determined, the Italian Fascists didn't do this**, individuals outside of it were irrelevant or worse.)

It means corporation as a collective entity of people acting together, not corporation as "large business" as it is treated commonly today.

*source: empty_vessel
**presumably because of the differences between Italian unification and German unification and their histories after that...Mussolini was far more concerned about bringing everyone together in a single Italian interest than casting out the "wrong people" on a silly basis like ethnicity or "race"

#PurgeSocialFascists #StalinWasRight

[BisMarckie]

look just shoot em in the knee, apparently that's how the Dutch police do things

I always find these discussions about use of lethal force kinda amusing. The only experience I have with shooting guns was during my military service, but I always wonder where that myth European gaffers believe in (NOT YUROPEAN ) comes from. You shoot where you have the highest probability of hitting the target i.e. center mass.
It is just rarely used because it is meant to be used as ultima ratio and where using a gun is a proportional use of force. Actually I don't think American and European police officers work under a vastly differnt legal framework, at least not de iure. Just the interpretation what ultima ratio means, differs.

[benjipwns]

#PurgeSocialFascists #StalinWasRight

did you see that empty_vessel returned to GAF?

[Joe Molotov]

No Russian.

Joe, any comment on this brewing sex scandal involving the moderation here?

no dox, pls

[jorma]

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

That's nonsense. They do and they get taught to do so almost everywhere in the world. If someone can't target a leg or arm from a short distance they shouldn't even be allowed to carry a weapon much less work as a police officer or similar, it would be way too dangerous for bystanders and such.

Which makes this incident all the weirder, I guess maybe it was dark but it really sounds like the cops just sucked at their job?

It's really sad something like this happened.

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

False.

They do shoot to disable, not even a question. Only US cops are incompetent enough to claim it is not possible and spread the misinformation among their citizens.

Really if you want to go that way it is better to use the gun control argument.

dunno why the derping because he aint wrong, only a fraction of police shootings here end up with someone dead

It's a great idea to shoot at legs. I mean, it's not like there's an artery that when ruptured will make you perish in minutes

Now this is derp worthy. "he might rupture an artery if we shoot his legs, might as well shoot him in the head"

[sphagnum]

#PurgeSocialFascists #StalinWasRight

did you see that empty_vessel returned to GAF?

Sent as part of Putin's covert ops posting team to be sure

[nudemacusers]

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

That's nonsense. They do and they get taught to do so almost everywhere in the world. If someone can't target a leg or arm from a short distance they shouldn't even be allowed to carry a weapon much less work as a police officer or similar, it would be way too dangerous for bystanders and such.

Which makes this incident all the weirder, I guess maybe it was dark but it really sounds like the cops just sucked at their job?

It's really sad something like this happened.

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

False.

They do shoot to disable, not even a question. Only US cops are incompetent enough to claim it is not possible and spread the misinformation among their citizens.

Really if you want to go that way it is better to use the gun control argument.

dunno why the derping because he aint wrong, only a fraction of police shootings here end up with someone dead

Maybe your bullets just suck

[benjipwns]

 

Wait those Swedish numbers are for total killings not those by cops. Benjamin!!!!!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

In the 306 confirmed shooting incidents during 2017 there were 41 deaths and 135 instances of injury.

So 23% of times they actually hit someone it turned out to be fatal.

sample in the US:

31% in the U.S. is not a huge enough difference that I'm not sure Sweden wouldn't turn up comparable years of fatal %

I'm certainly not going to chalk it up to some mythical ability of Scandinavian police to target the legs or knee over center mass like every other instance of firearm training in the world probably would teach.

[close]

[daemon]

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

That's nonsense. They do and they get taught to do so almost everywhere in the world. If someone can't target a leg or arm from a short distance they shouldn't even be allowed to carry a weapon much less work as a police officer or similar, it would be way too dangerous for bystanders and such.

Which makes this incident all the weirder, I guess maybe it was dark but it really sounds like the cops just sucked at their job?

It's really sad something like this happened.

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

False.

They do shoot to disable, not even a question. Only US cops are incompetent enough to claim it is not possible and spread the misinformation among their citizens.

Really if you want to go that way it is better to use the gun control argument.

dunno why the derping because he aint wrong, only a fraction of police shootings here end up with someone dead

You know what disabling shots are? They're non-lethal ammo aimed to disable people. It's used for riots, to prevent lynchings. It's good for crowd control, but you won't find it stopping a culprit, based on the fact they don't have the accuracy or rof of conventional weapons.

What the user is claiming is derpy as fuck, impractical and a risk for society because law enforcement would be unable to react appropiately to threats.

Now this is derp worthy. "he might rupture an artery if we shoot his legs, might as well shoot him in the head"

LOL yeah sure. I was answering to a guy thinking that legs are considered a safe area and you reply with the certain death shot. Then i'm the derpy one xD

[jorma]

In the 306 confirmed shooting incidents during 2017 there were 41 deaths and 135 instances of injury.

So 23% of times they actually hit someone it turned out to be fatal.

sample in the US:
(Image removed from quote.)
31% in the U.S. is not a huge enough difference that I'm not sure Sweden wouldn't turn up comparable years of fatal %

I'm certainly not going to chalk it up to some mythical ability of Scandinavian police to target the legs or knee over center mass like every other instance of firearm training in the world probably would teach.

no the main reason seems to be using warning shots, or even better not shooting at all

[nudemacusers]

In the 306 confirmed shooting incidents during 2017 there were 41 deaths and 135 instances of injury.

So 23% of times they actually hit someone it turned out to be fatal.

sample in the US:
(Image removed from quote.)
31% in the U.S. is not a huge enough difference that I'm not sure Sweden wouldn't turn up comparable years of fatal %

I'm certainly not going to chalk it up to some mythical ability of Scandinavian police to target the legs or knee over center mass like every other instance of firearm training in the world probably would teach.

Based on population of USA and Sweden in 2017 the proportional death rate by police is roughly the same. #yikes #data

[benjipwns]

no the main reason seems to be using warning shots, or even better not shooting at all

That wouldn't make instances of shooting any less fatal though.

[benjipwns]

Based on population of USA and Sweden in 2017 the proportional death rate by police is roughly the same. #yikes #data

To be fair, I did use Google to acquire these incredibly precise statistics.

[jorma]

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

That's nonsense. They do and they get taught to do so almost everywhere in the world. If someone can't target a leg or arm from a short distance they shouldn't even be allowed to carry a weapon much less work as a police officer or similar, it would be way too dangerous for bystanders and such.

Which makes this incident all the weirder, I guess maybe it was dark but it really sounds like the cops just sucked at their job?

It's really sad something like this happened.

Police don't fire "disabling shots" for a few reasons.

False.

They do shoot to disable, not even a question. Only US cops are incompetent enough to claim it is not possible and spread the misinformation among their citizens.

Really if you want to go that way it is better to use the gun control argument.

dunno why the derping because he aint wrong, only a fraction of police shootings here end up with someone dead

You know what disabling shots are? They're non-lethal ammo aimed to disable people. It's used for riots, to prevent lynchings. It's good for crowd control, but you won't find it stopping a culprit, based on the fact they don't have the accuracy or rof of conventional weapons.

What the user is claiming is derpy as fuck, impractical and a risk for society because law enforcement would be unable to react appropiately to threats.

it seems obvious to me that he isn't referring to special ammo when he says disabling shots

[Nabbis]

In the 306 confirmed shooting incidents during 2017 there were 41 deaths and 135 instances of injury.

So 23% of times they actually hit someone it turned out to be fatal.

sample in the US:
(Image removed from quote.)
31% in the U.S. is not a huge enough difference that I'm not sure Sweden wouldn't turn up comparable years of fatal %

I'm certainly not going to chalk it up to some mythical ability of Scandinavian police to target the legs or knee over center mass like every other instance of firearm training in the world probably would teach.

Based on population of USA and Sweden in 2017 the proportional death rate by police is roughly the same. #yikes #data

Seems like interesting results since police education in Sweden is far more comprehensive.

[nudemacusers]

Actually that vice data is for multiple years and only for large police precincts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/?noredirect=on

Here it says 987 in 2017. Yikes, you’re way more likely to die by police shooting in Sweden. Troubling stuff.

[jorma]

no the main reason seems to be using warning shots, or even better not shooting at all

That wouldn't make instances of shooting any less fatal though.

warning shots are still shot and they are still counted in the stats, so..

seems like a really good way to apprehend someone without killing him

[BisMarckie]

Swedes annihilated. *



* Likely by their own police force.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Based on population of USA and Sweden in 2017 the proportional death rate by police is roughly the same. #yikes #data

To be fair, I did use Google to acquire these incredibly precise statistics.

Argument annihilated.

[kingv]

Ok, which RE mod wrote this:

https://slate.com/culture/2018/08/the-ny-times-response-to-sarah-jeongs-controversial-tweets-blames-bigotry-on-many-sides.html?via=homepage_taps_top

[daemon]

it seems obvious to me that he isn't referring to special ammo when he says disabling shots

So what's a disabling shot. Where do you shoot exactly to disable a person? What are you disabling exactly.. running? Shooting back?

Because of course you can disable a knife carrying guy by kneecapping him. You'll probably need a full mag and will cause ricochets on the ground, which are totally safe. As soon as you aim for the torso it's a lottery of soft tissue and bones. If it goes right, you won't touch any vitals and disable him, but worst case scenario you piece the heart and he's gone.

Some people think police should use special ammo that can only incapacitate, but very rarely become lethal. The problem with this is that they would be bringing nerf guns to a gunfight. Then someone would say: well just use the correct ammo depending on the situation. Yeah, that won't work. You're asking for the gun to not have a chambered shot, which could be the difference between an innocent person dying or not. There's too many variables to control.

[benjipwns]

It is completely different.

People of colour refers to a people untied under a common interest/fight.

Coloured people is derogatory and intended to diminish an entire group of people.

glad we cleared that up

[Cerveza mas fina]

Police just fire less in Europe Im sure

Dont think they are aiming for knees though, its a last resort in a life threatening situation and hitting such a small target as a knee lol

[jorma]

Actually that vice data is for multiple years and only for large police precincts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/?noredirect=on

Here it says 987 in 2017. Yikes, you’re way more likely to die by police shooting in Sweden. Troubling stuff.

holy shit that is actually troubling.
I was scared there for a minute, but then i remembered that i'm white and live in the suburbs 

[nudemacusers]

Wait those Swedish numbers are for total killings not those by cops. Benjamin!!!!!

[Propagandhim]

It simply means the organizing principle are what we'd now call interest groups. Tripartism identifies the interest groups as the workers, the industry and the state. It then establishes bargaining agreements between all three members. This was how the fascists organized their economies, how the U.S. did under the NRA until it was found unconstitutional, and how most of the most right-wing government possible* Yurop handles its employee-employer negotiations to this day. You join the guild or union for your industry, like the Steel industry, which negotiates with the Steel companies and the state. Individuals only matter so far as they are included in their corporate body. (What the Nazi's did was define belonging to the corporate body of the "nation" as ethnically determined, the Italian Fascists didn't do this**, individuals outside of it were irrelevant or worse.)

It means corporation as a collective entity of people acting together, not corporation as "large business" as it is treated commonly today.

*source: empty_vessel
**presumably because of the differences between Italian unification and German unification and their histories after that...Mussolini was far more concerned about bringing everyone together in a single Italian interest than casting out the "wrong people" on a silly basis like ethnicity or "race"

#PurgeSocialFascists #StalinWasRight

Reading this section and I feel like Mussolini was actually a pretty decent guy as far as fascists go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Mussolini's_views_on_antisemitism_and_race

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Wait those Swedish numbers are for total killings not those by cops. Benjamin!!!!!

!

[jorma]

it seems obvious to me that he isn't referring to special ammo when he says disabling shots

So what's a disabling shot. Where do you shoot exactly to disable a person? What are you disabling exactly.. running? Shooting back?

Because of course you can disable a knife carrying guy by kneecapping him. You'll probably need a full mag and will cause ricochets on the ground, which are totally safe. As soon as you aim for the torso it's a lottery of soft tissue and bones. If it goes right, you won't touch any vitals and disable him, but worst case scenario you piece the heart and he's gone.

Some people think police should use special ammo that can only incapacitate, but very rarely become lethal. The problem with this is that they would be bringing nerf guns to a gunfight. Then someone would say: well just use the correct ammo depending on the situation. Yeah, that won't work. You're asking for the gun to not have a chambered shot, which could be the difference between an innocent person dying or not. There's too many variables to control.

I'm lifting this directly from the official swedish police site:
Om polisen skjuter mot en person ska de sträva efter att bara för tillfället oskadliggöra personen. Skotten ska i första hand riktas mot benen, men om omständigheterna kräver det får polisen skjuta direkt mot överkroppen – till exempel om den hotfulla personen befinner sig nära i avstånd och angreppet går fort.
https://polisen.se/om-polisen/polisens-arbete/polisens-befogenheter/polisens-ratt-att-anvanda-skjutvapen/

google translate
If the police are shooting a person, they will strive to just disable the person at the moment. The shots should primarily be directed towards the legs, but if circumstances require, the police can shoot directly to the upper body - for example, if the threatening person is in close proximity and the attack goes fast.

[HaughtyFrank]

Really? Perceived slight? That's straight up telling someone to shut up.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11071515/

Two weeks earlier....

How come the option "don't say anything, listen" never comes into play. If you're confused, tell us about all the conversations you have had with your trans friends and all the time you've spent researching to clear up the confusion. It sounds like you want to stay confused.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10756083/

 

[benjipwns]

Wait those Swedish numbers are for total killings not those by cops. Benjamin!!!!!

that's what I get for clicking a link on local.se to "police report on shootings" from one of the first Google results and not actually reading it beyond finding the 2017 figures I guess

ERA warned me about this

[jorma]

Wait those Swedish numbers are for total killings not those by cops. Benjamin!!!!!

phew, Sweden redeemed

so you're about as likely to get shot by a cop in the US as you are getting shot by your local gang or your recently sacked husband in Sweden?