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[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Nobody's treating his thoughts as if he actually killed a black person (well, no one reasonable fuck I'm sure some idiot out there is trying to arrest Liam Neeson)

We're treating his actions as reprehensible because they were.

A lot of people are literally treating the thoughts he confessed to - his action - as the same thing as having actually beaten some dude to death 40 years ago and getting away with it.

e:
Like, he wasn't on Fallon going "Oh, Jimmy, did I ever tell you about that time I beat a distinguished black fellow to death? *laughs*"

[marrec]

lmao marrec going full Era. The reason Neeson brought the anecdote in the first place is because he thought it was awful and it weighed on his conscience 40 years later. No one, including himself, if saying he should get a pat on the back, nor should you be reeeeeing about something he didn't do 40 years ago.

Ya, it's fucked up though that he did go roaming the streets looking to kill a black guy.

Like, how is this even a fucking question?

I'm not even saying anything should fucking happen to him, I'm just acknowledging that it's fucked up.

[stufte]

It's funny to me that I'd be banned on ERA for even entertaining this kind of debate.

[VomKriege]

Suicidal people in cars are taking ACTION for fantasizing about driving into oncoming traffic. Someone arrest them. they had the MEANS to kill themselves and others.

If someone in a car drives on the other side of the road in order to kill black people they'd absolutely be disciplined for their actions even if there was nobody on the other side of the street.

Well they would... Even without the intent to kill (black people or otherwise) ?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Maybe this just marketin stunt to reboot darkman

A brilliant scientist left for dead returns to exact revenge on the people who burned him alive.

A brilliant (racist) actor(murderer) left for dead returns to exact revenge on the people who burned(tweetstormed) him alive.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

How comfortable are you guys with the idea of armed people walking around near you having revenge fantasy's hoping you'll start shit with them?

Not comfortable at all, but I suspect that happens way more often than people would like to think it does.
Whats the solution? Stop and Search laws in case anyone walking around at night has a weapon?

[stufte]

Maybe this just marketin stunt to reboot darkman

A brilliant scientist left for dead returns to exact revenge on the people who burned him alive.

Literal movie title blackface.

[marrec]

Nobody's treating his thoughts as if he actually killed a black person (well, no one reasonable fuck I'm sure some idiot out there is trying to arrest Liam Neeson)

We're treating his actions as reprehensible because they were.

A lot of people are literally treating the thoughts he confessed to - his action - as the same thing as having actually beaten some dude to death 40 years ago and getting away with it.

e:
Like, he wasn't on Fallon going "Oh, Jimmy, did I ever tell you about that time I beat a distinguished black fellow to death? *laughs*"

Mother fucker I ain't a lot of people

[agrajag]

lmao marrec going full Era. The reason Neeson brought the anecdote in the first place is because he thought it was awful and it weighed on his conscience 40 years later. No one, including himself, if saying he should get a pat on the back, nor should you be reeeeeing about something he didn't do 40 years ago.

Ya, it's fucked up though that he did go roaming the streets looking to kill a black guy.

Like, how is this even a fucking question?

I'm not even saying anything should fucking happen to him, I'm just acknowledging that it's fucked up.

who ever said it wasn't fucked up though?

[team filler]

  Dark Man... 

sometimes we become what we hate most 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Mother fucker I ain't a lot of people

No, thats why I'm bothering to engage with you and try and chnage your mind, not going "LOL OKAY LOCK UP ALL THE BADTHINK PROFESSOR X"

[BisMarckie]

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[agrajag]

How comfortable are you guys with the idea of armed people walking around near you having revenge fantasy's hoping you'll start shit with them?

Not comfortable at all, but I suspect that happens way more often than people would like to think it does.
Whats the solution? Stop and Search laws in case anyone walking around at night has a weapon?

every person with a concealed carry and ready to fly off the handle at the slightest provocation, so half of America

[Uncle]

If you go from store to store telling yourself you're going to steal the first bag of pistachios you see but miraculously none seem to materialize it doesn't mean you officially started breaking the law and ought to be condemned for it

[stufte]

If you go from store to store telling yourself you're going to steal the first bag of pistachios you see but miraculously none seem to materialize it doesn't mean you officially started breaking the law and ought to be condemned for it

BUT MUH ACTION. 

[marrec]

How comfortable are you guys with the idea of armed people walking around near you having revenge fantasy's hoping you'll start shit with them?

Not comfortable at all, but I suspect that happens way more often than people would like to think it does.
Whats the solution? Stop and Search laws in case anyone walking around at night has a weapon?

Who's fucking asking for a solution?! Things can be reprehensible without needing a direct "solution".

As for Neeson's specific case, like we can start to hypothesize how we'd stop random revenge thirsty white dudes from searching for black people to kill, but that involves acknowledging toxic masculinity and racism not "thought crimes" like y'all are implying lmao

[marrec]

lmao marrec going full Era. The reason Neeson brought the anecdote in the first place is because he thought it was awful and it weighed on his conscience 40 years later. No one, including himself, if saying he should get a pat on the back, nor should you be reeeeeing about something he didn't do 40 years ago.

Ya, it's fucked up though that he did go roaming the streets looking to kill a black guy.

Like, how is this even a fucking question?

I'm not even saying anything should fucking happen to him, I'm just acknowledging that it's fucked up.

who ever said it wasn't fucked up though?

Liam acted on those racist feelings

So Neeson DID kill a guy. Lock him up.

Wandering around the streets with a weapon specifically in service of killing a black person is action

eeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh c'mon now.
Telling someone to go kys in an online game is also "an action". An action that is objectively more damaging to someone.

The implication is that taking the action to wander around looking for a random black dude to kill is no big because he didn't actually find a random black dude to kill

[shosta]

quote one person that said anything like that

[shosta]

it's crazy that you disingenuously argue on both resetera and the bore, it's like you only exist to be shrieking cassandra

[shosta]

i'm gay

[marrec]

God damnit don't bring that here shosta you'll chase me off to Gaia Online

[agrajag]

it's crazy that you disingenuously argue on both resetera and the bore, it's like you only exist to be shrieking cassandra

I am getting tired of marrec's both-sideism

[Uncle]

The implication is that taking the action to wander around looking for a random black dude to kill is no big because he didn't actually find a random black dude to kill

Buying a gun for the sake of home defense is no big if you never actually encounter an intruder

[agrajag]

lmao marrec going full Era. The reason Neeson brought the anecdote in the first place is because he thought it was awful and it weighed on his conscience 40 years later. No one, including himself, if saying he should get a pat on the back, nor should you be reeeeeing about something he didn't do 40 years ago.

Ya, it's fucked up though that he did go roaming the streets looking to kill a black guy.

Like, how is this even a fucking question?

I'm not even saying anything should fucking happen to him, I'm just acknowledging that it's fucked up.

who ever said it wasn't fucked up though?

Liam acted on those racist feelings

So Neeson DID kill a guy. Lock him up.

Wandering around the streets with a weapon specifically in service of killing a black person is action

eeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh c'mon now.
Telling someone to go kys in an online game is also "an action". An action that is objectively more damaging to someone.

The implication is that taking the action to wander around looking for a random black dude to kill is no big because he didn't actually find a random black dude to kill

his quote was something to the effect of "looking for a black guy that's gonna start shit with me," so there was a variable of self defense in there as well. Since he wasn't attacked by a black man, he didn't go after any.

[Philip Cardgage]

Dark Man... 

sometimes we become what we hate most 

I made that joke like 10 pages ago motherfucker.

[stufte]

Dark Man... 

sometimes we become what we hate most 

I made that joke like 10 pages ago motherfucker.

And I made a similar joke only 4 post above his and didn't even get a single like. This place is trash. 

*edit* thanks for the pity-like, Cauliflower. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Who's fucking asking for a solution?! Things can be reprehensible without needing a direct "solution".

As for Neeson's specific case, like we can start to hypothesize how we'd stop random revenge thirsty white dudes from searching for black people to kill, but that involves acknowledging toxic masculinity and racism not "thought crimes" like y'all are implying lmao

The point of his anecdote isn't racism, or toxic masculinity.
Its about most humans having the capacity for great evil. Black people do heinous shit. Women do heinous shit.
e: and I'll tell you for free, way more people think about doing heinous shit than ever actually follow through and do that heinous shit.

The moral of this story isn't 'don't have bad thoughts'.
Its 'never reveal you have had bad thoughts publically, because you'll get hounded as though you had actually done the thing you thought about'.
Which itself is fucking terrifyingly toxic.

[Joe Molotov]

I need to know how hard he was looking for a black guy to kill before I know how outraged to be. Was he really going to kill somebody or was it like a "I was totally planning on going to the gym, but then something came up."

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I can't help but feel if you really do want to go and commit a racially motivated murder, you're going to be able to do so, even in backwards ass 1970s Ireland

[Propagandhim]

I go into black neighborhoods and cross the street onto the other sidewalk when I see someone approaching.  Neeson's instigation of violence sickens me.

[Uncle]

e: and I'll tell you for free, way more people think about doing heinous shit than ever actually follow through and do that heinous shit.

I've thought about posting on thebore.com a few times but I always catch myself before making that mistake

[stufte]

e: and I'll tell you for free, way more people think about doing heinous shit than ever actually follow through and do that heinous shit.

I've thought about posting on thebore.com a few times but I always catch myself before making that mistake

Quoting before you delete the evidence, you sick fuck.

[Straight Edge]

How many black people lived in Ireland during the 70s, other than the guy from Thin Lizzy?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I like to re-enact the opening scene of Die Hard With A Vengeance, but haven't managed to get anyone to fall for my trap yet

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Is a longtime supporter of the legalization of abortion in Ireland.

Laid-back? My wife said that? Well, I guess I am. It takes a lot to get me riled.

Sure thing buddy

Some mornings you wake up and think, "Gee, I look handsome today." Other days I think, "What am I doing in the movies? I wanna go back to Ireland and drive a forklift".

Is "drive a forklift" and irish idiom for stalking and killing?

In Los Angeles, it's like they jog for two hours a day and then they think they're morally right. That's when you want to choke people, you know?

oh shit

[Boredfrom]

How comfortable are you guys with the idea of armed people walking around near you having revenge fantasy's hoping you'll start shit with them?

It's almost like there's a middle ground between merely thinking about revenge and fully going through with revenge.. and Nesson hit that middle ground, which did include some.... *shock and awe* concerning ACTIONS.

That ended about nothing happening (as far we know) and most of the world not knowing about it.

[stufte]

I like to re-enact the opening scene of Die Hard With A Vengeance, but haven't managed to get anyone to fall for my trap yet

You don't even need the sandwich board these days, your racism is implied.

[Uncle]

Is a longtime supporter of the legalization of abortion in Ireland.

TFW you become an abortion doctor and start a clinic so you have the means to kill babies for money but then no one shows up 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

He's a liar too!

I grew up in Northern Ireland, of course. Lived all through the Troubles; saw violence, the results of violence, at first hand. It's always terrified me and fascinated me. So it was a gut reaction, something about how that rage can eat you alive. I can understand that. I haven't known it myself, but I knew guys who did. Some of them aren't on this planet any more because of it.

Is this his confession?!?!

I'm keeping myself to myself. And I like it that way. I'm not hunting. I'm the opposite of a - what would a male cougar be? Is there such a thing? Whatever it is, I'm not that.

 

[BisMarckie]

Liam Neeson and marrec should fuck already.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Liam Neeson and marrec should fuck already.

[clothedmacuser]

Yeah, it's pretty telling. Just imagine for one second if a PoC actor admitted the same thing, targeting random white people in the street for murdering them, because they were white. Imagine someone like Jaime Foxx or Terry Crews admitting something like this... It would end their career in 5 seconds top and it would be everywhere in the news.

I'm seeing this a lot on Era and I don't think it's true.  But it's just a gut feeling so whatever.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Liam Neeson TAK3N up all the conversation meant I nearly missed this gem from the other thread that keeps on giving:

Also, as mods constantly state: "If you have an issue with moderation, feel free to PM a mod." If you are unsure if your argument will get you banned or not, have a mod review it.

Get your posts pre-approved for adherence to doctrine on your discussion forum brehs

[marrec]

Who's fucking asking for a solution?! Things can be reprehensible without needing a direct "solution".

As for Neeson's specific case, like we can start to hypothesize how we'd stop random revenge thirsty white dudes from searching for black people to kill, but that involves acknowledging toxic masculinity and racism not "thought crimes" like y'all are implying lmao

The point of his anecdote isn't racism, or toxic masculinity.
Its about most humans having the capacity for great evil. Black people do heinous shit. Women do heinous shit.
e: and I'll tell you for free, way more people think about doing heinous shit than ever actually follow through and do that heinous shit.

The moral of this story isn't 'don't have bad thoughts'.
Its 'never reveal you have had bad thoughts publically, because you'll get hounded as though you had actually done the thing you thought about'.
Which itself is fucking terrifyingly toxic.

The moral of Neeson's story is "don't drop the fact that you roamed the streets in a murderous rage for a week during a press junket, maybe save that story for a memoir". Like, I really don't think Neeson's career is going to take a hit because there are people outraged on Twitter. He's not beholden to the preception of a small group of outraged black folk. He'll be fine.

As for what we can take from it, like the ravenous dogs we are? It's a deeply personal story about revenge and yes racism, the anecdote itself isn't about toxic masculinity or racism, obviously, but aspects of his actions were driven by both (as well as other personal things obviously). Like, this little anecdote can be more than one thing without devolving into some extreme counterreaction to SJWs calling for Liam's head. Whatever happened it was likely multiple decades ago and anyone trying to assume Neeson's mental state or views on black people based on something he did 30-40 years ago is tilting at windmills.

[Straight Edge]

Michael Collins’ dick in my butt

[Boredfrom]

How comfortable are you guys with the idea of armed people walking around near you having revenge fantasy's hoping you'll start shit with them?

It's almost like there's a middle ground between merely thinking about revenge and fully going through with revenge.. and Nesson hit that middle ground, which did include some.... *shock and awe* concerning ACTIONS.

That ended about nothing happening (as far we know) and most of the world not knowing about it.

Let’s repeat that mantra another 100 times because derp.

I mean, is not true?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Liam Neeson TAK3N up all the conversation meant I nearly missed this gem from the other thread that keeps on giving:

Also, as mods constantly state: "If you have an issue with moderation, feel free to PM a mod." If you are unsure if your argument will get you banned or not, have a mod review it.

Get your posts pre-approved for adherence to doctrine on your discussion forum brehs

And he doesn't think he's backseat modding?

lol

[Boredfrom]

Who's fucking asking for a solution?! Things can be reprehensible without needing a direct "solution".

As for Neeson's specific case, like we can start to hypothesize how we'd stop random revenge thirsty white dudes from searching for black people to kill, but that involves acknowledging toxic masculinity and racism not "thought crimes" like y'all are implying lmao

The point of his anecdote isn't racism, or toxic masculinity.
Its about most humans having the capacity for great evil. Black people do heinous shit. Women do heinous shit.
e: and I'll tell you for free, way more people think about doing heinous shit than ever actually follow through and do that heinous shit.

The moral of this story isn't 'don't have bad thoughts'.
Its 'never reveal you have had bad thoughts publically, because you'll get hounded as though you had actually done the thing you thought about'.
Which itself is fucking terrifyingly toxic.

The moral of Neeson's story is "don't drop the fact that you roamed the streets in a murderous rage for a week during a press junket, maybe save that story for a memoir". Like, I really don't think Neeson's career is going to take a hit because there are people outraged on Twitter. He's not beholden to the preception of a small group of outraged black folk. He'll be fine.

As for what we can take from it, like the ravenous dogs we are? It's a deeply personal story about revenge and yes racism, the anecdote itself isn't about toxic masculinity or racism, obviously, but aspects of his actions were driven by both (as well as other personal things obviously). Like, this little anecdote can be more than one thing without devolving into some extreme counterreaction to SJWs calling for Liam's head. Whatever happened it was likely multiple decades ago and anyone trying to assume Neeson's mental state or views on black people based on something he did 30-40 years ago is tilting at windmills.

So: “let’s alll be shallow motherfuckers because people are emotionally hurt because a celebrity personal anecdote.”

Also, it was front page in CNN website.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The moral of Neeson's story is "don't drop the fact that you roamed the streets in a murderous rage for a week during a press junket, maybe save that story for a memoir". Like, I really don't think Neeson's career is going to take a hit because there are people outraged on Twitter. He's not beholden to the preception of a small group of outraged black folk. He'll be fine.

As for what we can take from it, like the ravenous dogs we are? It's a deeply personal story about revenge and yes racism, the anecdote itself isn't about toxic masculinity or racism, obviously, but aspects of his actions were driven by both (as well as other personal things obviously). Like, this little anecdote can be more than one thing without devolving into some extreme counterreaction to SJWs calling for Liam's head. Whatever happened it was likely multiple decades ago and anyone trying to assume Neeson's mental state or views on black people based on something he did 30-40 years ago is tilting at windmills.

I agree doing it on a press junket is about the worst situation possible to do so.
I disagree that viewing his actions as ultimately harmful only to himself and his own peace of mind and should be weighted as such is an extreme counter-reaction, but I guess the danger of holding extreme viewpoints is not recognising that they are.

 

Cui plagalis?

[Snoopycat_]

[The moral of Neeson's story is "don't drop the fact that you roamed the streets in a murderous rage for a week during a press junket, maybe save that story for a memoir".]

I hope when he write his memoirs he finishes every chapter with - "Needless to say I had the last laugh."

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Yeah, it's pretty telling. Just imagine for one second if a PoC actor admitted the same thing, targeting random white people in the street for murdering them, because they were white. Imagine someone like Jaime Foxx or Terry Crews admitting something like this... It would end their career in 5 seconds top and it would be everywhere in the news.

I'm seeing this a lot on Era and I don't think it's true.  But it's just a gut feeling so whatever.

My gut feeling is if this was an identical story by, fuck, morgan freeman? there'd be a lot of posters saying how understandable feeling like that is because white supremacy

[stufte]

Thank GOD Liam Neeson wasn't in Chicago when Jussie Smollett was out getting Subway. Who knows how that would have ended.

[marrec]

Thank GOD Liam Neeson wasn't in Chicago when Jussie Smollett was out getting Subway. Who knows how that would have ended.

I mean... have we confirmed Liam Neeson's whereabouts?

[stufte]

Thank GOD Liam Neeson wasn't in Chicago when Jussie Smollett was out getting Subway. Who knows how that would have ended.

I mean... have we confirmed Liam Neeson's whereabouts?

Oh god... you're on to something I think.

[Boredfrom]

Yeah, it's pretty telling. Just imagine for one second if a PoC actor admitted the same thing, targeting random white people in the street for murdering them, because they were white. Imagine someone like Jaime Foxx or Terry Crews admitting something like this... It would end their career in 5 seconds top and it would be everywhere in the news.

I'm seeing this a lot on Era and I don't think it's true.  But it's just a gut feeling so whatever.

My gut feeling is if this was an identical story by, fuck, morgan freeman? there'd be a lot of posters saying how understandable feeling like that is because white supremacy

There a thread about Soulja Boy were most posters tried to ignore the user mentioning that he used homophobic slurs in twitter during his console business meltdown. Morgan Freeman is persona non grata in Reee, though.

[Boredfrom]

I mean, is not true?

It also goes without saying and just keeps deflecting from the point.   Obviously it's not equal to actually going through with it, but his actions greatly increased the chance that he'd commit murder.   "Well he didn't commit a murder" isn't an argument against the fact his actions were incredibly concerning.

But nobody is celebrating his actions. He said he was being a dumb fucker himself.

Anyways I think it's a good story and a super interesting moment of reflection personally;  and while for his personal sake he probably shouldn't have shared it's still interesting.

“It started a conversation”.

Dude, that is so Reee.

[Raist]

FFT > *

[marrec]

“It started a conversation”.

Dude, that is so Reee.

Wrong, ERA is antithetical to conversation

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Morgan Freeman is persona non grata in Reee, though.

Oh, he is? What did he do?
I can't keep up with the unperson list any more

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

The soft skulls already forgot about their defence of Bahar Mustafa huh?