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« Reply #3300 on: April 11, 2018, 10:04:32 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-do-people-get-upset-when-race-is-brought-up.35198/

Because racebaiting shitters make everything about race.  Like the typical Reeeeeeetard.
Sounds like something a white person would say :thinking
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« Reply #3301 on: April 11, 2018, 10:15:23 AM »
Isnt that where Senna died?
No, Senna died in 1994 at Imola.

It does NOT feel like that long ago.
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« Reply #3302 on: April 11, 2018, 10:16:49 AM »
This is the criticize transgenders thread, right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/8b8126/parent_is_transgender_and_no_its_not_awesome/

This is so sad. If you ask me, is just horribly wrong to do something like this as a parent and destroy your family. I guess I have an increasingly old school view that if you're going to have a family, it means being willing to sacrifice your personal happiness and desires for the well being of your kids.

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« Reply #3303 on: April 11, 2018, 10:27:05 AM »
I don't think that should be considered an old school view.  I haven't even read the trans thread yet because this isn't about whether you're trans or not, being a parent means sacrifice everything for the kids.  If you're not willing to do that then you have no business being a parent.  It's why I don't have kids.
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« Reply #3304 on: April 11, 2018, 10:34:40 AM »
This is the criticize transgenders thread, right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/8b8126/parent_is_transgender_and_no_its_not_awesome/

This is so sad. If you ask me, is just horribly wrong to do something like this as a parent and destroy your family. I guess I have an increasingly old school view that if you're going to have a family, it means being willing to sacrifice your personal happiness and desires for the well being of your kids.
Sounds like the trans thing is just a small part of what’s going on... also guessing said parent has known (possibly both of them) for a number of years of their dysphoria, and has probably bottled it up for years... which IMO is not healthy for the family unit either. I don’t see how it’s awful to live the truth of your being, but it’s going to be a tough, ugly road no matter what.

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« Reply #3305 on: April 11, 2018, 10:54:08 AM »
Kid is in college now. His uh dad has a right to be happy and transition.

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« Reply #3306 on: April 11, 2018, 10:57:26 AM »
Kid is in college now. His uh dad has a right to be happy and transition.

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This change is really hurting my younger brother. He won't admit it but I know he is struggling with it. Not the change from man to woman, but the way the personality changes. My brother is still a high school freshman so he has to be exposed to it for a long time. He's had a much tougher life than me and this is just making it worse. He won't go to therapy either, since he wants to deny his emotions.
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« Reply #3307 on: April 11, 2018, 11:32:41 AM »
damn that sucks. My personal opinion is that the father should have waited until the younger brother graduates HS.

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« Reply #3308 on: April 11, 2018, 11:42:17 AM »
If the other kids in school know about the transition they are making his life a living hell in school as well.

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« Reply #3309 on: April 11, 2018, 11:44:23 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-do-people-get-upset-when-race-is-brought-up.35198/

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Someone's accused of dog whistle racism and often enough the response is

Only dogs hear dogwhistles.

If you make everything about race.. then you're racist. That's why you hear the dogwhistles. You think and act like a racist.

Most people don't think about race all the time. They don't think about gender all the time or sexuality. They don't think about politics all the time. Hell, people have enough sense to realize that if they only think and talk about video games all day then they'll struggle to socialize with the wider population that isn't so narrowly focused. If you're the same way about race then why are you shocked that people dislike you?

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« Reply #3310 on: April 11, 2018, 11:56:06 AM »
Bro they're not dogs they're dog behavioral research scientists  :expert

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« Reply #3311 on: April 11, 2018, 12:08:59 PM »
damn that sucks. My personal opinion is that the father should have waited until the younger brother graduates HS.

And I don't mean the dad has no right to be happy.  But the kid is still under his care, he is still a full time parent, and if their quality of life was better before, pre-hormones, maybe could've waited just a little longer.
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« Reply #3312 on: April 11, 2018, 12:43:31 PM »
That's why you hear the dogwhistles. You think and act like a racist.
You know, for someone who has no issue accepting coded language in other domans and who has no compunctions ascribing all manner of hidden intention to people, you display a baffling inability to so much as see the actual logic behind this admittedly flawed metaphor.

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« Reply #3313 on: April 11, 2018, 12:47:55 PM »
There's no flaw, son. To "hear" the whistle, you start coding your brain into race theory and racialized views. This makes you think in race most of the time. This leads to racism.

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« Reply #3314 on: April 11, 2018, 12:49:49 PM »
There's no flaw, son. To "hear" the whistle, you start coding your brain into race theory and racialized views. This makes you think in race most of the time. This leads to racism.

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« Reply #3315 on: April 11, 2018, 12:51:54 PM »
There's no flaw, son. To "hear" the whistle, you start coding your brain into race theory and racialized views. This makes you think in race most of the time. This leads to racism.
Do I really have to point to Lee Atwater for you to actually deal with the real meaning of the phrase? Or do you want to work yourself raw on the metaphor some more?

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« Reply #3316 on: April 11, 2018, 12:57:28 PM »
There's no flaw, son. To "hear" the whistle, you start coding your brain into race theory and racialized views. This makes you think in race most of the time. This leads to racism.
Do I really have to point to Lee Atwater for you to actually deal with the real meaning of the phrase? Or do you want to work yourself raw on the metaphor some more?

You would just be pushing back to my point.

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« Reply #3317 on: April 11, 2018, 12:58:24 PM »
the antiracists are the real racists  :ohhh

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« Reply #3318 on: April 11, 2018, 01:00:09 PM »
Are you really arguing that a good contingent of people on REEE aren't race obsessed? 

It's like your friend who only want to talk about the latest Trump shit every day, I just have to tune out. It doesn't mean I'm a Trump supporter it just means that my brain does not want to think/talk about politics every second of every day.

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« Reply #3319 on: April 11, 2018, 01:01:00 PM »
the antiracists are the real racists  :ohhh
The only reason he can flip it that way is the flaw in the metaphor, yeah. But he wants to wiggle out of that for unclear reasons.

My guess is that he's a lame contrarian, but he's denied that before. /shrug

Are you really arguing that a good contingent of people on REEE aren't race obsessed? 
No, what makes you think that?

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« Reply #3320 on: April 11, 2018, 01:01:26 PM »
This is the criticize transgenders thread, right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/8b8126/parent_is_transgender_and_no_its_not_awesome/

This is so sad. If you ask me, is just horribly wrong to do something like this as a parent and destroy your family. I guess I have an increasingly old school view that if you're going to have a family, it means being willing to sacrifice your personal happiness and desires for the well being of your kids.

The "kid" is 18. Not exactly a toddler.

Beside, being LGBT is not exactly a cakewalk today in some parts of the world, imagine experiencing it years ago. Fella probably spent years bottling up that stuff and repressing it.

What's your stance on divorce?

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« Reply #3321 on: April 11, 2018, 01:05:10 PM »
Etiolate's point seems to be "cuz"..

1) Think about something
2) ???
3) Become something

Why?  CUZ!  Psychiatrists all must have so many damn disorders in this world.

It's about viewing all things by a single lens and only that lens.

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« Reply #3322 on: April 11, 2018, 01:05:24 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-do-people-get-upset-when-race-is-brought-up.35198/

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Someone's accused of dog whistle racism and often enough the response is

Only dogs hear dogwhistles.

If you make everything about race.. then you're racist. That's why you hear the dogwhistles. You think and act like a racist.

Most people don't think about race all the time. They don't think about gender all the time or sexuality. They don't think about politics all the time. Hell, people have enough sense to realize that if they only think and talk about video games all day then they'll struggle to socialize with the wider population that isn't so narrowly focused. If you're the same way about race then why are you shocked that people dislike you?

With all this recent focus on identity politics, I came to the realization that no one really likes people who define themselves by their membership in a subgroup, regardless if that subgroup is along racial, gender, orientation, religious, sports affiliation, or hobby lines. No one really wants to get too buddy buddy with the super-gamer dude.

There's a black guy at my church that's in a slightly different social circle than I am and his (white) wife is a bit awkward (I don't know if she's bi.) I like talking to him as much as anyone else and wouldn't mind having a beer with him, but that's because he's just this guy, you know. Hell, I need a black friend so I can use the "I have a black friend" card. If he was always talking racial politics, I'd be...
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There's also a guy that's super in to board games at my church. I like playing board games or having beers with him, but that's because he's just this guy, you know. If he was always talking all board games all the time, I'd be...
:donot

And that's why I'm not super-photography guy or Political Activist #1, no one wants me to subject them to the latest version of my portfolio or hear my dissertation on the problems with American politics. They just want me to be a person they can talk to and have a beer with.

It boils down to just be a well-rounded person and not a label.

EDIT: Woo! I quoted the right post for once!

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« Reply #3323 on: April 11, 2018, 01:07:50 PM »
he's got a younger brother that's a sophomore

also let's not be disingenuous and compare transitioning to divorce

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« Reply #3324 on: April 11, 2018, 01:08:23 PM »
I only deal with humans who's identity is a single trait, fuck outta here with this complicated shit :whatisthis

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« Reply #3325 on: April 11, 2018, 01:09:34 PM »
long posts with advice thats common knowledge

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« Reply #3326 on: April 11, 2018, 01:11:04 PM »
Letting society dicatate what kind of guy you are

 :nope

Being yourself even if it means being that guy sometimes

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« Reply #3327 on: April 11, 2018, 01:11:45 PM »
Etiolate's point seems to be "cuz"..

1) Think about something
2) ???
3) Become something

Why?  CUZ!  Psychiatrists all must have so many damn disorders in this world.

It's about viewing all things by a single lens and only that lens.

Like the lens where everyone you don't like is an identity-obsessed Social Studies Warrior?

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« Reply #3328 on: April 11, 2018, 01:12:17 PM »
it means being willing to sacrifice your personal happiness and desires for the well being of your kids.

Unhappy parents make AMAZING parents.  It's super amazing for the kids well being to have an unhappy parent, that totally causes no problems AT ALL for the kids.  Also, having a parent be unhappy but not changing anything about their life is an AMAZING example to set for children;  they too will learn.. that being unhappy and doing nothing about it is the right way.

Trust me.

What if your happiness brings ridicule and scorn onto your 13 year old? Is it not selfish to put your happiness above your childs?

edit: lol someone just said that that Canadian lady who criticized a bus crash for being too young, male and white 'wasn't wrong'
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« Reply #3329 on: April 11, 2018, 01:19:49 PM »
It's about viewing all things by a single lens and only that lens.
Which is a an issue with the person, rather than the lens. If all you have is a hammer, etc. It doesn't mean that hammers are bad, or that recognizing their application makes you a hammer...-er (pls don't whimsy shame), but it's what you've inadvertently argued by saying:

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If you make everything about race.. then you're racist. That's why you hear the dogwhistles. You think and act like a racist.

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« Reply #3330 on: April 11, 2018, 01:26:25 PM »
I only deal with humans who's identity is a single trait, fuck outta here with this complicated shit :whatisthis

that trait? you guessed it



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« Reply #3331 on: April 11, 2018, 01:33:22 PM »
It's about viewing all things by a single lens and only that lens.
Which is a an issue with the person, rather than the lens. If all you have is a hammer, etc. It doesn't mean that hammers are bad, or that recognizing their application makes you a hammer...-er (pls don't whimsy shame), but it's what you've inadvertently argued by saying:

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If you make everything about race.. then you're racist. That's why you hear the dogwhistles. You think and act like a racist.

It is an issue with the lens as well. That lens being roughly critical theory/critical race theory.  There is a happy medium where you realize someones gender or race has an impact on their life, but that's not what that lens is about. To make that lens work, it needs a religious adherence. It needs to find its sinners, which is why its so tuned into dogwhistles. That's why it gets obsessive. You not only have to view in that lens, but you must call out others when they don't view via that lens. It also invokes tribalism on an endlessly dividing scale.

If you're video game obsessed then you'll be tough to hang out with outside of playing games. Maybe you get into a console war and fight for your brand. Maybe you are so deep into that shit that you're telling some mom not to buy the xbox version of that game and buy your preferred console version. Okay, you're an ass, but you're assholery tends to stick to you.

This isn't true with the race obsessed lens. It spreads. It's intended to spread.

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« Reply #3332 on: April 11, 2018, 01:48:00 PM »
Literally who gives a shit if somebody in your school knows your parent is a transgender woman.

 Maybe I was raised different, but that shit is the lowest of concerns, especially in that type of scenario.

Where I was raised you would get bullied relentlessly. Maybe things changed, if so, good.

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« Reply #3333 on: April 11, 2018, 01:50:42 PM »
it means being willing to sacrifice your personal happiness and desires for the well being of your kids.

Unhappy parents make AMAZING parents.  It's super amazing for the kids well being to have an unhappy parent, that totally causes no problems AT ALL for the kids.  Also, having a parent be unhappy but not changing anything about their life is an AMAZING example to set for children;  they too will learn.. that being unhappy and doing nothing about it is the right way.

Trust me.

All parents have to endure unhappiness.  It's inherent in the job.  I have a friend who was going mad for a while from his screaming newborn, who turned out to be much worse in that respect than his first.  All parents are going to be dealing with big messes, and damage to property, wrecked cars, money spent to provide for the kid.  Very few would consider themselves happy while experiencing the above things.

So since you're acting like unhappiness makes a horrible life for both parent and child, then I guess there aren't any good parents or pleasant lives?

Or maybe unhappiness is just an occasional part of life, and yes, in fact, people experiencing unhappiness can still make good parents.

In that very reddit thread, the person said their father had been great in the past.  Despite the unhappiness and dysphoria he was experiencing at that time.

Also, the subject was parents making sacrifices for the well-being of their kids.  A parent who is regularly unhappy to the extent that they let it affect their parenting or kids' lives is not actually making those sacrifices.  You also have to sacrifice your ability to sulk and be grumpy, your temper that makes you snap at them...those are additional sacrifices that have to be made.  Time spent learning self control.  For the sake of teaching them, a parent has to be better than that.
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« Reply #3334 on: April 11, 2018, 01:53:44 PM »
the antiracists are the real racists  :ohhh


The point is that people obsessed with race are usually racists, consciously or not. But I guess you already knew that, didn't you?

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« Reply #3335 on: April 11, 2018, 01:55:11 PM »
There's no flaw, son. To "hear" the whistle, you start coding your brain into race theory and racialized views. This makes you think in race most of the time. This leads to racism.

So by your logic you are a racist now?

After all, there are few people on Reeee or elsewhere that spend so much time on this shit.

16,000 posts and I would bet good money close to 75% of them are on nothing but this shit. 10% on conspiracy theories and the rest jerking off Jordan Peterson, which could be argued plays into the 75% a lot of times.

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« Reply #3336 on: April 11, 2018, 01:58:54 PM »
the antiracists are the real racists  :ohhh


The point is that people obsessed with race are usually racists, consciously or not. But I guess you already knew that, didn't you?

What if they're not though? I find that yours and etoilet's are very simplistic views.

For me, calling some a racist requires a very high bar to clear. For guys that complain all day about sjw's that call everyone racist, you are super quick to call them racist.  :thinking

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« Reply #3337 on: April 11, 2018, 01:59:07 PM »
After all, there are few people on Reeee or elsewhere that spend so much time on this shit.

Whaleshit.

Hit a nerve bitch?

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« Reply #3338 on: April 11, 2018, 02:01:55 PM »
There's no flaw, son. To "hear" the whistle, you start coding your brain into race theory and racialized views. This makes you think in race most of the time. This leads to racism.

So by your logic you are a racist now?

After all, there are few people on Reeee or elsewhere that spend so much time on this shit.

16,000 posts and I would bet good money close to 75% of them are on nothing but this shit. 10% on conspiracy theories and the rest jerking off Jordan Peterson, which could be argued plays into the 75% a lot of times.

It is likely that most of my posts are from before you came here. I have been on the bore since the start.

If you understood the point then you'd understand the part where I say "most people don't view everything through race". I would fall into that most people category. It's the people who view others via their race or issues via its impact on race that fall into racist thinking.

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« Reply #3339 on: April 11, 2018, 02:02:58 PM »
So by your logic you are a racist now?

Why do you act like this is some sort of "gotcha?"  People shouldn't even feel bad about embracing that label anymore, it applies to everyone regardless of how hard they work not to be.
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« Reply #3340 on: April 11, 2018, 02:05:31 PM »
So you cannot possibly perceive a racist dogwhistle unless you see everything through race? That's what you're saying? If yes, then that is also an extremely rigid world view. One could even say you are looking at things through a lens  :thinking

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« Reply #3341 on: April 11, 2018, 02:06:05 PM »
It is an issue with the lens as well. That lens being roughly critical theory/critical race theory.  There is a happy medium where you realize someones gender or race has an impact on their life, but that's not what that lens is about. To make that lens work, it needs a religious adherence. It needs to find its sinners, which is why its so tuned into dogwhistles.
This borders on paranoia and leads you to smear people who recognize coded language as racists, but I do appreciate that you, in principle at least, see the difference between perspectives and the way that people can get stuck on them (e.g. your fixation on 'cultural marxism' and critical theory).

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« Reply #3342 on: April 11, 2018, 02:15:03 PM »
There's no flaw, son. To "hear" the whistle, you start coding your brain into race theory and racialized views. This makes you think in race most of the time. This leads to racism.

So by your logic you are a racist now?

After all, there are few people on Reeee or elsewhere that spend so much time on this shit.

16,000 posts and I would bet good money close to 75% of them are on nothing but this shit. 10% on conspiracy theories and the rest jerking off Jordan Peterson, which could be argued plays into the 75% a lot of times.

It is likely that most of my posts are from before you came here. I have been on the bore since the start.

If you understood the point then you'd understand the part where I say "most people don't view everything through race". I would fall into that most people category. It's the people who view others via their race or issues via its impact on race that fall into racist thinking.

You view things through identity and issues, same as some of them. And you spend most of your waking days seeped in it. You just subscribe to a different identity that focuses on caricaturing and attacking anti-racists and their issues. But of course you carve out an exception for why you can't possibly fall into anything bad by identical processes of generalizing and stereotyping, only they can. Why you are not engaging in the same underlying processes, but they are. And their processes will lead to those outcomes you ascribe, but not you or yours.




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« Reply #3343 on: April 11, 2018, 02:16:25 PM »
Literally who gives a shit if somebody in your school knows your parent is a transgender woman.

 Maybe I was raised different, but that shit is the lowest of concerns, especially in that type of scenario.

Where I was raised you would get bullied relentlessly. Maybe things changed, if so, good.

I'd just say that my mommy can beat up your mommy easily.

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« Reply #3344 on: April 11, 2018, 02:16:43 PM »
So since you're acting like unhappiness makes a horrible life for both parent and child, then I guess there aren't any good parents or pleasant lives?

Or maybe unhappiness is just an occasional part of life, and yes, in fact, people experiencing unhappiness can still make good parents.

Obviously people are going to be unhappy sometimes;  I'll keep it simple.. I think a parent maintaining happiness is an under-rated aspect of what makes a good parent.  Maintaining friendships, hobbies, making sure the parent's marriage is happy and getting divorced if need be, etc., etc. 

That's it.

Exactly.  Yet another sacrifice is lowering your expectations so you can be happy with what you have or can afford.
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« Reply #3345 on: April 11, 2018, 02:18:49 PM »
You view things through identity and issues, same as some of them. And you spend most of your waking days seeped in it. You just subscribe to a different identity that focuses on caricaturing and attacking anti-racists and their issues. But of course you carve out an exception for why you can't possibly fall into anything bad by identical processes of generalizing and stereotyping, only they can. Why you are not engaging in the same underlying processes, but they are.

So etiolate is an anti-racist.

Observationally he likes to spend his days attacking anti-racists, so whatever that makes a person I guess.

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« Reply #3346 on: April 11, 2018, 02:22:49 PM »
the antiracists are the real racists  :ohhh


The point is that people obsessed with race are usually racists, consciously or not. But I guess you already knew that, didn't you?

What if they're not though? I find that yours and etoilet's are very simplistic views.

For me, calling some a racist requires a very high bar to clear. For guys that complain all day about sjw's that call everyone racist, you are super quick to call them racist.  :thinking


You're right on that. Then again for me everything is relative, I find it far more likely for someone that doesn't give a flying shit about people's race and the "sensibilities" that come with that to not be racist at all than the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that obsess with race. It's not actual racism as you define it and should be defined, it's racism loosely based on the SJW standard (and yes I am willing to drop to the level of the morons I criticize when I criticize them, I think this was obvious). People who decide to talk or form an opinion about another person based on their race are slightly racist regardless of if it's positive behavior towards them or not (if you call the bigotry of lower expectations "positive"), that's why identity politics are cancerous.


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« Reply #3348 on: April 11, 2018, 02:36:19 PM »
Looking at Ree is kinda like being a casual Christian who believes in the same crap only to see cultists start sacrificing goats to Jehowa and screaming at you for not doing it. At least that's basically how i see them.  :lol

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« Reply #3349 on: April 11, 2018, 02:41:03 PM »
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« Reply #3350 on: April 11, 2018, 02:41:09 PM »
My identity is me. It's not a group identity.

Problems I talk about are real issues that I've been watching for years. Colleges teach critical theory. Many colleges have replaced required critical thinking with required critical theory. Something that exists in the real world for people to observe is not a conspiracy. This is not something confined to a place like Reset. I'm really tired of that bogus take.

Just please try to not be so fucking worthless.

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« Reply #3351 on: April 11, 2018, 02:43:41 PM »
So since you're acting like unhappiness makes a horrible life for both parent and child, then I guess there aren't any good parents or pleasant lives?

Or maybe unhappiness is just an occasional part of life, and yes, in fact, people experiencing unhappiness can still make good parents.

Obviously people are going to be unhappy sometimes;  I'll keep it simple.. I think a parent maintaining happiness is an under-rated aspect of what makes a good parent.  Maintaining friendships, hobbies, making sure the parent's marriage is happy and getting divorced if need be, etc., etc. 

That's it.   I think "choosing the kids happiness over your own" is an oversimplification of how the parent/child dichotomy works, as in the long run your happiness might be more important than short term unhappiness the kid might feel.  Obviously not in all situations, and obviously a parent can be more or less selfish.. just saying people ignore how important having happy and mentally healthy parents can be to the long term happiness of their children.

Sure, a parent needs to still have a healthy state of mind. They also need to at least learn how to hide that negativity for their kid's sake, and maybe even their spouse's sake.  But if you can largely control yourself, It's almost certainly worse to go through with a divorce and shatter the one of the main pillars of your child's sense of stability. Avoiding divorce isn't about making your child unhappy, it's about providing stability in their formative years.
If your marriage has reached the point where it's direly toxic, then yeah, divorce is probably a better solution. If you're taking your frustrations out on your spouse of kids, verbally or physically, that's a huge problem that overrides any concerns about stability.

The problem as I see it is so many people are simply unwilling to work through difficulties in their marriage. Things go south and they split after a few months or maybe a year, rather than stick it out. Even if it takes years to get through it.

It's fine if your child sees you when you're angry or unhappy. It's OK even for an extended period of time, so long as you can still be there for them in the way you need to be as a parent.


On the subject of that trans parent, I would say he shouldn't have gone through with that even IF his kids have all reached adulthood. At the risk of putting my foot in my mouth, I don't see much difference between transitioning and having fucking Alzheimer's disease. In either case, you're watching one of the main sources of love and stability in your life wash away into something unrecognizable right before your eyes. Why would you ever willingly put your family through that, even if they're adults now?

Also, being 18 so very barely qualifies as being an adult. It's not like you turn 18 and a switch gets flipped. Christ. Your brain isn't even done developing until you're around 25.

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« Reply #3352 on: April 11, 2018, 02:46:52 PM »
This is the criticize transgenders thread, right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/8b8126/parent_is_transgender_and_no_its_not_awesome/

This is so sad. If you ask me, is just horribly wrong to do something like this as a parent and destroy your family. I guess I have an increasingly old school view that if you're going to have a family, it means being willing to sacrifice your personal happiness and desires for the well being of your kids.
The truth about parenting: Eventually your kids will grow up and make their own lives and you'll be stuck with just your life.
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« Reply #3353 on: April 11, 2018, 02:49:59 PM »
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« Reply #3354 on: April 11, 2018, 02:59:18 PM »
Careful, y'all are angering the bork.   :doge

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« Reply #3355 on: April 11, 2018, 03:00:28 PM »
Careful, y'all are angering the bork.   :doge
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« Reply #3356 on: April 11, 2018, 03:02:51 PM »
I'm enjoying living your emotions through wrestling videos, I feel like I am in you.

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« Reply #3357 on: April 11, 2018, 03:04:44 PM »
My identity is me. It's not a group identity.

Problems I talk about are real issues that I've been watching for years. Colleges teach critical theory. Many colleges have replaced required critical thinking with required critical theory. Something that exists in the real world for people to observe is not a conspiracy. This is not something confined to a place like Reset. I'm really tired of that bogus take.

Just please try to not be so fucking worthless.
It's identity building no different than what many on Ree often do. Or the human race in general, you aren't special.

Your identity is built from this cross section of anti-critical theory, anti-leftism nonsense. You even decided to start an entire thread to knight for it's largest champion. You spend all day accumulating these ad hoc observational hypothesis of a fringe left-wing board and try to broadly generalize and categorize them. Define how you are inherently different and superior to those people. Talk about what language, phrases, and lines of thinking should be acceptable and what should be pariahed.  Fight over what forms of what informational sources are acceptable and not based on how you group them. Spent in a perceived safe space, trying to persuade others of your observations legitimacy(even if you like to pretend you are above that). All common behaviors of identity seeking and building, even if you won't acknowledge it.

But keep telling yourself whatever you need to for why it's different for you.

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« Reply #3358 on: April 11, 2018, 03:06:45 PM »
I'm enjoying living your emotions through wrestling videos, I feel like I am in you.
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« Reply #3359 on: April 11, 2018, 03:07:03 PM »
My identity is a Normitarian