Author Topic: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry. (Read 219312 times)

team filler · « **Reply #1920 on:** April 25, 2020, 09:19:49 PM »

https://twitter.com/DilanPCook/status/1254217625464385539

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #1921 on:** April 27, 2020, 06:07:43 AM »

yeah this isn't terrifying at all https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/microsoft-cryptocurrency-mining-brain-waves-body-data-bitcoin-a9480766.html

curly · « **Reply #1922 on:** April 27, 2020, 03:16:26 PM »

Might be bored enough to try to make sense of value form theory

curly · « **Reply #1923 on:** April 28, 2020, 11:23:10 PM »

yet to unravel the mysteries of value form theory but this article that's somewhat related is really good:

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-28/reviews/the-bleak-left/

Touches on VFT but mainly it's about the big problem in nu-Socialism, the decline of the wage-earning industrial class that was supposed to deliver the revolution

team filler · « **Reply #1924 on:** April 29, 2020, 04:37:18 AM »

https://twitter.com/jewcommie/status/1255308398507278336

toku · « **Reply #1925 on:** April 30, 2020, 05:29:07 PM »

https://twitter.com/ExtraSmallRobin/status/1255800047154925569

Idk if we're gonna make it past May.

team filler · « **Reply #1926 on:** April 30, 2020, 08:09:24 PM »

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1256001921300803586

VomKriege · « **Reply #1927 on:** April 30, 2020, 08:42:02 PM »

4 more years and Daou is becoming Maoist News Network 2.

team filler · « **Reply #1928 on:** April 30, 2020, 09:49:43 PM »

Quote from: filler on April 29, 2020, 04:37:18 AM

https://twitter.com/jewcommie/status/1255308398507278336

https://twitter.com/ChiefGaziKodzo/status/1255805794072788993

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1929 on:** April 30, 2020, 11:12:06 PM »

Quote from: toku on April 30, 2020, 05:29:07 PM

https://twitter.com/ExtraSmallRobin/status/1255800047154925569

Idk if we're gonna make it past May.

the virus wasn't a real virus, but NANOMACHINES created by a megacorp with various goals including manipulation of politicians

remy · « **Reply #1930 on:** April 30, 2020, 11:55:11 PM »

Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 30, 2020, 11:12:06 PM

Quote from: toku on April 30, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ExtraSmallRobin/status/1255800047154925569

Idk if we're gonna make it past May.

the virus wasn't a real virus, but NANOMACHINES created by a megacorp with various goals including manipulation of politicians

different to corona how?

??

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #1931 on:** April 30, 2020, 11:59:17 PM »

One wasn't spread by 5G.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1932 on:** May 01, 2020, 12:21:53 AM »

Quote from: remy on April 30, 2020, 11:55:11 PM

Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 30, 2020, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: toku on April 30, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ExtraSmallRobin/status/1255800047154925569

Idk if we're gonna make it past May.

the virus wasn't a real virus, but NANOMACHINES created by a megacorp with various goals including manipulation of politicians

different to corona how???

where is my fucking augmented vision

benjipwns · « **Reply #1933 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:45:08 PM »

The Intercept being worth that much in the first place

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1934 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:50:35 PM »

are you guys materialists? like wrt general ontology, do you think that everything there is is reductively physical? ive been bored and am wondering whether its necessary to be if you wanna employ something like histmat

benjipwns · « **Reply #1935 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:59:39 PM »

Nah, I'm a straddler who says while everything should be able to be reduced we don't (at least yet) have the capability to comprehend or understand it as such so our only recourse is theoretical.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1936 on:** May 02, 2020, 01:48:00 AM »

https://twitter.com/okhotskatka/status/1255982516827234304

Rufus · « **Reply #1937 on:** May 02, 2020, 10:00:30 AM »

Quote from: Esch on May 01, 2020, 09:08:50 PM

Welp, I've spent a lot of the quarantine in the idealist world while comparing and contrasting with the relevant left philosophy but: My take is that we basically don't know in the end wrt ontology and may never know but i came out with more questions (how stable are the boundaries between natural science and social science really?) than answers. ussr and prc thinkers had a lot of thoughts about this and i haven't taken a strict line but one thing i really do agree with is the idea that material circumstances shape ideology and consciousness and in that respect acknowledging this is essential for both analysis of history and political action. but TBH i'll have to check back with you in a year or something.

I've settled on this being true regardless of any heavy reading I won't do anyway. Can't see how it wouldn't be. Can't escape the meat prison and all its needs.

Crash Dummy · « **Reply #1938 on:** May 02, 2020, 02:30:37 PM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 01, 2020, 08:50:35 PM

are you guys materialists? like wrt general ontology, do you think that everything there is is reductively physical? ive been bored and am wondering whether its necessary to be if you wanna employ something like histmat

I had way too religious an upbringing

team filler · « **Reply #1939 on:** May 02, 2020, 10:13:35 PM »

https://twitter.com/UrFavNoIsrael/status/1255604915336089605

shosta · « **Reply #1940 on:** May 03, 2020, 01:55:25 AM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 01, 2020, 08:50:35 PM

are you guys materialists? like wrt general ontology, do you think that everything there is is reductively physical? ive been bored and am wondering whether its necessary to be if you wanna employ something like histmat

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1256733482501447685

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1941 on:** May 03, 2020, 04:26:42 AM »

you can still think all the facts are physical!

Tripon · « **Reply #1942 on:** May 03, 2020, 01:21:37 PM »

https://twitter.com/davidchang/status/1256993670311620612
https://twitter.com/davidchang/status/1256995712723816466

shosta · « **Reply #1943 on:** May 03, 2020, 01:56:51 PM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 03, 2020, 04:26:42 AM

you can still think all the facts are physical!

currently imagining a monkey named entailment with a long ass tail that physically pushes the premises together

that's the world I want to live in

toku · « **Reply #1944 on:** May 03, 2020, 04:27:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1256963936093683712

didnt know where to post this one

VomKriege · « **Reply #1945 on:** May 03, 2020, 04:29:24 PM »

Look, it's all well and good but we have strong intelligence that Chavismo escaped from a Cuban lab.

shosta · « **Reply #1946 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:47:01 AM »

Quote from: toku on May 03, 2020, 04:27:25 PM

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1256963936093683712

didnt know where to post this one

https://twitter.com/gianfiorella/status/1257113002698051587

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #1947 on:** May 04, 2020, 03:02:42 AM »

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1256015582689988610

curly · « **Reply #1948 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:45:11 PM »

Don't know if this got posted anywhere, figured it's most relevant to the political economy thread:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1257303959229943808

VomKriege · « **Reply #1949 on:** May 04, 2020, 04:15:30 PM »

It's rare enough that I can only say : Kudos for speaking his mind and walking the walk.

team filler · « **Reply #1950 on:** May 05, 2020, 02:33:50 AM »

https://twitter.com/Abelbc85/status/1257558078813343745

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1951 on:** May 05, 2020, 12:31:50 PM »

there’s ~60 pages in the cambridge companion to the roman economy and another ~30 in the cambridge economic history of rome dedicated to production. beyond some general and comparative surveys i could give you, idk much else wrt commodities

shosta · « **Reply #1952 on:** May 05, 2020, 09:54:19 PM »

https://twitter.com/tragicbios/status/1257849569343406086

I can't believe this is real

shosta · « **Reply #1953 on:** May 05, 2020, 10:16:35 PM »

I know he's just another idiot on the internet but Matt Stoller scares the shit out of me.

Mandark · « **Reply #1954 on:** May 05, 2020, 10:22:06 PM »

Briahna Gray was on Twitter defending that discussion.

Tripon · « **Reply #1955 on:** May 05, 2020, 10:38:52 PM »

So is the takeaway that Progressives can compromise, or is that compromise is bad when it's the wrong people compromising?

Mandark · « **Reply #1956 on:** May 05, 2020, 10:41:42 PM »

hell yeah I was worried nobody was going to step up and defend stoller

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1957 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:40:27 AM »

Quote

Not all Republicans are racist

You could call 90% of them racist and still satisfy the catch. Meanwhile Repubs have to eat the bigger pill, the only thing trickling down is you pissing yourself.

shosta · « **Reply #1958 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:41:01 AM »

Quote from: Tripon on May 05, 2020, 10:38:52 PM

So is the takeaway that Progressives can compromise, or is that compromise is bad when it's the wrong people compromising?

https://twitter.com/bigbossserdar/status/1257595848659173381

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1959 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:42:16 AM »

tfw I let down my guard and now my ass is a china vassal

shosta · « **Reply #1960 on:** May 06, 2020, 02:14:08 AM »

What about a Josh Hawley ticket with Matt Stoller, Briahna Joy Gray, Stephanie Kelton, and Matt Pompeo in the cabinet

team filler · « **Reply #1961 on:** May 06, 2020, 11:16:22 AM »

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1962 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:38:07 PM »

Trostkyite

team filler · « **Reply #1963 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:42:35 PM »

shosta · « **Reply #1964 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:48:24 PM »

The first thing the JDPON should do when it takes power is outlaw keurig cups.

benjipwns · « **Reply #1965 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:54:39 PM »

Is there a chart for tea drinkers? Or is that automatically like Juche or something.

team filler · « **Reply #1966 on:** May 06, 2020, 01:01:25 PM »

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1967 on:** May 06, 2020, 01:54:12 PM »

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1968 on:** May 07, 2020, 09:09:39 PM »

re: ted cruz’ admiration for gordon wood from a couple days back, ive been going through Creation of the American Republic and the denouement is a rare moment of lucidity from someone who usually paints a really nauseating starry-eyed narrative of america

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By using the most popular and democratic rhetoric available to explain and justify their aristocratic system, the Federalists [viz. the supporters for the ratification of the Constitution in the late 1780s, not the supporters of the Washington and Adams administrations of the 1790s] helped to foreclose the development of an American intellectual tradition in which differing ideas of politics would be intimately and genuinely related to differing social interests. In other words, the Federalists in 1787 hastened the destruction of whatever chance there was in America for the growth of an avowedly aristocratic conception of politics and thereby contributed to the creation of that encompassing liberal tradition which has mitigated and often obscured the real social antagonisms of American politics. By attempting to confront and distinguished mentally-challenged fellow the thrust of the Revolution with the rhetoric of the Revolution the Federalists fixed the terms for the future discussion of American politics. They thus brought the ideology of the Revolution to consummation and created a distinctly American political theory but only at the cost of eventually impoverishing later American political thought.

shosta · « **Reply #1969 on:** May 07, 2020, 09:25:39 PM »

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1970 on:** May 07, 2020, 09:30:28 PM »

shosta · « **Reply #1971 on:** May 07, 2020, 10:32:59 PM »

https://twitter.com/AnUntimelyMan/status/1258249849352355842

too real

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #1972 on:** May 07, 2020, 10:56:15 PM »

reminds me of the slatestarcodex utilitarian tradcath on reddit i check in on every time i need to put myself into an aneurysm coma

team filler · « **Reply #1973 on:** May 08, 2020, 12:29:07 PM »

team filler · « **Reply #1974 on:** May 08, 2020, 01:35:41 PM »

https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1258789902902321155

shosta · « **Reply #1975 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:05:59 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on May 08, 2020, 08:42:26 PM

Please post socialist/communist literature for someone that has read the Manifesto and Einstein's socialism essay. I guess Das Kapital?

short answer is Lenin's state and revolution.

Don't read Das Kapital unless you want to be an econ dork. Even if you like economics you're better off sticking with Keynesian authors and supplementing that with Marxist analyses of trade relationships, developmental economics, and so on.

team filler · « **Reply #1976 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:10:43 PM »

czech good vibes thread

curly · « **Reply #1977 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:19:51 PM »

Reading Marx's writings that aren't Kapital or Manifesto is a good intermediate step (18th Brumaire, German Ideology, Gotha program, etc.)

shosta · « **Reply #1978 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:25:50 PM »

I have a copy of this in my house

Now, that doesn't mean it's good, but

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #1979 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:26:35 PM »

where's that kara post about the intro to commy canon...

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Author Topic: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry. (Read 219312 times)