Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.

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https://twitter.com/TwinklingTania/status/1248303683839733761

 

[El Babua]

Most of the Covid spoils have been taken by capital already.

Let's see how housebroken the west really is, cause things need to get violent if labor wants to keep any remnants of power they had previously.   

[toku]

I think everyones trying to be cool but nobody here in america at least seems to be thinking past May 1st in any capacity rn. It's really scary.

[VomKriege]

I think everyones trying to be cool but nobody here in america at least seems to be thinking past May 1st in any capacity rn. It's really scary.

It's not just the US. Governments don't even have an exit strategy, at least not one they shared with us yet, lockdowns are being reviewed and renewed every two weeks... No visibility.

[benjipwns]

We haven't really talked about it in here but this corona thing has been a massive blow to everyone in organized labor. Hotels around here for example fired all the union employees asap as soon as this happened, to sum up all my interactions its been a real hollowing out of several strongly unionized industries and a lot of organizing is going to have to start over from block one. Sucks big ass. People are talking about how the bernie L will get people in the DSA or PSL or whatever but as far as legacy organized labor I don't have anything good to say 

Article I saw today but have not read beyond the topline: https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-the-union-where-coronavirus-puts-98--of-members-out-of-work

Unite Here was a rare union success story. But then the coronavirus decimated the restaurant, food service and hotel industries, where most of its 307,000 members work. “We’re fighting for our survival,” its president told ProPublica.

[OnlyRegret]

[OnlyRegret]

Looking up leftist movements in this political meme of a province.
There is an Alberta Communist Party and they get memed on for looking dorky

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Ad_Inifinitum/status/1248803909977681922

[VomKriege]

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Didn't know Kirblar was into Photoshop.

[OnlyRegret]

On one end we've got fascism and the "new axis", imperial japan but nazis go on da other end doe

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[OnlyRegret]

claim your esoteric niches
maybe leftwing nationalism for me but dark enlightenment sounds edgy 

[Great Rumbler]

Queer Anarchism

[VomKriege]

The anger in the comments

https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/1249351571831435269

Thread.  People are dying.  Please read.
Send recs for Netflix viewing, I finished my Friends marathon.

[VomKriege]

@Kremlin : Politburo will not endorse @MarshallTito.

[Oblivion]

https://twitter.com/fishplums/status/1249639385785647104

[Pissy F Benny]

I'm sure that document would have been picked up by the tory media at a more opportune time

Can't say I'm shocked that the anti-semitism thing was kind of over egged though

None of this is really a shock though, and I'm someone whose eyes glazed over whenever seeing something about the pro/anti corbers faction warz and undermining.

[VomKriege]

As far as I understand the antisemitism issues are real but existed before Corbyn's tenure, were equally brushed over then and there's not a lot of water to the idea that his brand of leftism was a catalyst. The investigation also concludes that factions actively sabotaged the party and that they quite literally would rather lose elections than having him win (or at least have any sort of good showing).

[Pissy F Benny]

Oh they're real, its not unsual to see someone going from criticising isreal as a nation to going full on anti semite is it? But I still think it was blown out of proportion into something bigger as a stick to beat labour with and I'm sure pro isreal types hyped it up too because the last thing they'd want is a pro palestine prime minister

The 2 or 3 attempted "coups" from the centrists or w/e you wanna call them was probably proof enough that they'd sooner eat and drink their own piss and shit for 5 years than have corbyn in power. Still fucking crazy they'd sabotage their own party from within, but not shocking at all.

I suppose it couldn't have come at a better time for the current labour leadership because aside from corbyn hardcores, no one seems to give a shit due to current circumstances 

[Pissy F Benny]

Probably being portrayed as a corbyn puppet and not really doing anything to tackle it.

The whole leadership election was low key as fuck, and Starmer had it in the bag from nearly the start anyway.

[Pissy F Benny]

She was the fav early doors when it was all rumours about who'd be running. There was a poll early on showing starmer had a big lead and it stopped being something that gathered much interest aside from your more engaged party members and what not. This is all going from my terrible memory so don't take it as gospel.

Only thing I remember from any of the debates was them all saying they were fillers

[Pissy F Benny]

tories winning in december wasn't a shock at all here. obviously if may was still in it would have been a different story, but a lot of people love boris for some strange reason and it was full on brexit mania.

I think a lot of people got their hopes up from a few pics on twitter showing a lot of young people queuing up outside polling stations, but the all the polls had it pretty much right this time.

at least we'll probably have another election in the next couple of years if recent history is anything to go by 

[VomKriege]

Funnily enough then-French-PM Socialist-with-a-Trotskyist-past Lionel Jospin got into hot water for saying Israel had a right to defend itself (while Chirac was more about "Gaullist policy towards Arabs") instead of the pretty stock accusation of being a closet antisemite. Which is indeed something that seems to resurface in a laser focused way every time an old school leftist gets prominent.

[Rufus]

Careful with that, or you'll end up breeding a Jinping-level authoritarian.

[OnlyRegret]

Critical support for Big Baller Jezz for aspirations of teaching the crimes of the English Empire in schools but he's going to need to go all the way for me and advocate for it's dismantling. Some bonuses would include things like shattering every statue of the monarchy and Winston Churchill. I think we might also want to look into community service projects to help English youth learn from Bangladeshi and Irish farmers in the fields. This would of course be means-tested to select for the heirs of english banks and landlords.

perfidious albions complicit in the deaths of millions of irish and bengali among many others yet I never heard about it in schooling

[Rufus]

spelling his name wrong

You saw nothing.

Critical support for Big Baller Jezz for aspirations of teaching the crimes of the English Empire in schools but he's going to need to go all the way for me and advocate for it's dismantling. Some bonuses would include things like shattering every statue of the monarchy and Winston Churchill. I think we might also want to look into community service projects to help English youth learn from Bangladeshi and Irish farmers in the fields. This would of course be means-tested to select for the heirs of english banks and landlords.

perfidious albions complicit in the deaths of millions of irish and bengali among many others yet I never heard about it in schooling

Lizzy 2 is still on your money, isn't she? Small wonder.

[Rufus]

Their checks don't bounce.

[Rufus]

Reminds me of something Kara posted a while back:

[Joe Molotov]

The smiley face mask slipped off. Who could have forseen it?

[curly]

Speaking of social-fascism anybody else peep all the news coming out of the Labour party report that got dropped this weekend? I know this is Cursed Albion and all but this really feels like another step in the disintegration of the social-democratic pact, like read through some of this stuff

It shows references to Corbyn-supporting party staff as “trots”, conversations referring to former director of communications Seumas Milne as “dracula”, and that he was “spiteful and evil and we should make sure he is never allowed in our party if it’s last thing we do”. There were also mentions of Corbyn’s former chief of staff Karie Murphy as “medusa”, a “crazy woman” and a “bitch face cow” that would “make a good dartboard”.

Lenin was right, Kautsky (this post is not an endorsement of revolutionary larping)

[Mandark]

Lee Fang and Michael Tracey pulling the reverse Daou.

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https://twitter.com/brizzle_bill/status/1250548580835905537

[curly]

Who do you guys trust for political takes on perfidious Albion? Their media is somehow even worse than ours with the exception of really niche outlets like New Left Review which aren't exactly up to date on the latest developments

[curly]

That's the conclusion I've come to. A truly cursed isle

[jakefromstatefarm]

you guys ever read rick perlstein? wutcha think?

[curly]

Read Nixonland a few years ago and vaguely recall thinking it was alright as pop history but getting annoyed by the reductiveness of its analysis, especially in accounting for electoral results. IIRC his discussion of the 1970 midterms was focused entirely on Nixon's tactics and blamed them for the Republicans' disappointing results without once mentioning how a first term presidential incumbent's party usually does poorly in midterms.

[Mandark]

I read Before The Storm and Nixonland and liked them but this also triggers the "don't trust my own opinions that are over a decade old" rule.

[Crash Dummy]

^what companions would you recommend for capital?

[Rufus]

Who do you guys trust for political takes on perfidious Albion? Their media is somehow even worse than ours with the exception of really niche outlets like New Left Review which aren't exactly up to date on the latest developments

Not a news source, and not solely focused on Britain, far from it, but...
https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/

[VomKriege]

^what companions would you recommend for capital?

Exploitation.

[Crash Dummy]

i'm not ready for practical side of things, let's stick to theory for now

[Rufus]

Aren't you in accounting?

[Crash Dummy]

taxes! indirect taxes at that, and i try avoid tax accounting as much as i possibly can and stick to advisory & strategic stuff

[VomKriege]

TMZ
ResetERA
TheOnion

[curly]

Regular New Left Review reader checking in

N+1 and Viewpoint pretty often as well, but even Jacobin and The Nation can have worthwhile stuff from time to time. Think I've read one piece from Endnotes which was interesting but also exhausting pessemistic

[benjipwns]

I posted some hott quotes in the garbage thread from a single page of ResetERA's thread on that if you're feeling self-destructive 

[benjipwns]

I remember when the big thing was banning all face coverings because only people with something to hide would cover their face. How quickly our tinpot Mussolini's change their ways.

[nachobro]

i just noticed how much he looks like sam hyde

[curly]

I posted some hott quotes in the garbage thread from a single page of ResetERA's thread on that if you're feeling self-destructive 

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[curly]

The SPD should never be let off easy but I do agree that forums poster curly should join the united front instead of nurturing his crush on Gloria La Riva

As a Californian I'm free to waste my vote as I please, don't blame me that you swing-staters have to waste your vote on a Democrat

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1249777968471130112

they pay this guy to write shit like this

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1251259137830379522

I know about this thanks to Parenti-sama 

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[Crash Dummy]

shosta and i are going to scramble our brains now, pray for us

^what companions would you recommend for capital?

Really I think there's a couple different ways to approach it and that depends on who you are and what your needs are. I started off reading v1 and v2 using the big harvey companion Verso sells. I think that book  is pretty good, but I think I still struggled for a while because I didn't read any classical poli econ in schools aside from maybe a little smith? and i think he doesn't 100 percent nail things like the value-form.  Anyway its annoying because marx spends tons of time directly addressing their arguments sans context but only someone with genuine enthusiasm for this like shosta is actually gonna sit there and read Ricardo. I'll just list off some secondary stuff that helped me and why. As far as marx himself reading wage price profit and the grundrisse helped me as well.



https://www.marxists.org/archive/pilling/works/capital/index.htm

this book is a great overall companion. easy to navigate in this form too and its free.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/rubin/index.htm

Isaak Rubin has some good writing just on value itself.

https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/anikin/pre-marxian-economy.pdf

this old soviet textbook talking about the objects of investigation and philosophy of economics up until marx is great imo, i love all the bitchy dunks on say and sismondi and it helped me understand how political economy as a science developed historically from a marxist worldview. easy read. enjoy this stuff because it gives context as to why and how these investigations took place and the historical conditions that gave birth to them (e.g. ricardo and smiths professions giving them insights but also showing how their investigations were hindered by the conditions of their time and class obligations) and i like the side of marxism that explores how material conditions give rise to the possibility for a specific school of thought or insight to be conceived and thus, the possibility for knowledge itself


https://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/index.htm

Ilyenkov's work was useful to me for understanding the core logic and "philosophy" of capital, ie the object of marx's investigation isnt an object but a process. shit like that. I think this stuff is probably gonna get less mileage from you cuz u strike me as someone who's given some reading time to idealism/materialism/logic in general but i figure it can't hurt.

marxists.org is a blocked site here  thanks for sharing though, will try find alternative sources

[Crash Dummy]

eh, teek hai I’ll find them one way or another and my backlog is ridiculous as is

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[El Babua]

https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1252069864803614721

[benjipwns]

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Sorry, unlike some other posters, whenever I make suggestions about things related to ResetERA.com outside of the garbage thread please consider them entirely directed at stost, Vom, etc. (sometimes Esch and others) more than most non-garbage thread posters like yourself or jake or Mandark.

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Though I will admit that particular thread of theirs IS pretty good for the "thinking of your own concerns (like sexual assault) is selfish and egotistical when UberHitler could take power thanks to you not voting" SACRIFICE FOR The Party postings.

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https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1252288365950464000

[curly]

Seeing Xanax Joe's latest commercial made me want to throw my lot in with curly and Kara and show some love to Gloria at the ballot box. I'm over it.

At these rates of growth we can flip Utah