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QuoteQuoteAnd if they choose to not be transparent and it leaks in the meantime it's on them.Literal victim blaming. Wow.
QuoteAnd if they choose to not be transparent and it leaks in the meantime it's on them.Literal victim blaming. Wow.
And if they choose to not be transparent and it leaks in the meantime it's on them.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/thq-nordic-to-reveal-3-new-games-between-june-5-7.120842/post-21419279QuoteResetera is one of the less forgiving forums when it comes to corporations
Resetera is one of the less forgiving forums when it comes to corporations
I think a company needs all rights related to their products and creations. Their right to first publish is a company's right as the copyright holder, and it's their right to decide how to announce what they want to announce, when they want to announce it. Is that not obvious given the thread we're in?
QuoteYou're saying that if a company forgets to put a security seal on their press website and the information leaks out in advance, people who report on that information should face legal trouble?Are you serious? Absolutely. Do you think security measurements are in place because that's what the law requires to uphold copyright? GRRM could put the next book on an unpatched Windows XP, and you would still not have the right to break his right to first publish.Security measurements are taken because people are dicks and try to hack what they can hack, and make money off of illegal activities. Whether or not the documents have been obtained by security breach or not is absolutely irrelevant in a copyright case, lest the company has put it public, and it can be considered published. That is a very wishy-washy argument.
You're saying that if a company forgets to put a security seal on their press website and the information leaks out in advance, people who report on that information should face legal trouble?
No. If Kotaku posted an article reporting on this situation, without furthering the leaks that are a breach of copyright law, then yes, it would be reporting. When you share copyrighted works, you are not reporting. You're just breaking the law. Perhaps you made this post as a joke, I'm sorry, it's hard to tell. So let me respond on a general basis. If this is allowed, then it's journalism to share and report on all the content in an ill-gotten copy of the new GRRM book. Which it isn't. Luckily.
QuoteReporting shit exists is not breaking copyright. Law is not magic, you can't just chant legal terms and hope it will magically make what you say true (unless you have fuck you money, I guess).Linking to images or documents? Sure. Reporting Keenu is in Cyberpunk? Lol no, stop smoking crack.If a book was leaked before it came out, do you really think news sites could site the book? No. Just because someone breaks the law, doesn't mean others can join in on it. This isn't even the core of the issue. Reporting on previously unreported leaks is absolutely not journalism.
Reporting shit exists is not breaking copyright. Law is not magic, you can't just chant legal terms and hope it will magically make what you say true (unless you have fuck you money, I guess).Linking to images or documents? Sure. Reporting Keenu is in Cyberpunk? Lol no, stop smoking crack.
No. Spoilers are at the core of the copyrighted work. Copyrighted work means the copyright holder has a right to first publish. Writing up spoilers is a breach of copyright law.
If I play your advocate, I'd have to say that a spoiler is fair use. That's the only way it doesn't break copyright.Let's try the four factors of fair use:1) Is the work that's fair use transformative?Is the leak made to comment on anything? Is to to criticize something? It isn't. It's just the original work being leaked.2) The substantiality of the work takenSpoilers are at the heart of the copyrighted work, so a substantial portion is taken.3) Effect of the use upon potential marketA spoiler could make fewer people tune in to a given show, so this would be bad4) Nature of the copyrighted workPublished and factual works are less protected by copyright law. This is an unpublished and a work of fiction. That means it's strongly protected.Given this brief overview of the four factors of fair use, it'd be pretty clear that a spoiler isn't fair use. As such, it's a breach of copyright law.
You obviously don't know how copyright works. If it's not fair use, then it's just copyright infringement. When you don't really know how it works, please don't pretend you do. And stop with the ad hominems.
I'm a copyright defense force. You say it's journalism's job to report on leaks of public interest. It's not. By your argument, if a journalist got their hands on the new GRRM book before it was finished, they should report on it. It's definitely the public's interest. Right? Luckily, that's not how it works. A kind of revenge for their work environment? Are you shitting me? You can't do stuff like that and think it's has a bearing on other stuff. I'm big on workers rights, and I think the entire game industry should unionize. There are a lot of issues with it, and way too many ways game companies do things wrong.However, this isn't rules set up by the companies. This is the right of anyone that's made something that's copyrighted. They have the right to announce it when they want to. That's the law. Don't try and set the law aside because you think game companies are bad.
WordStar was the program of choice for conservative intellectual William F. Buckley, Jr.,[29] who used the software to write many works, including his last book. This was noted by his son, Christopher Buckley, who wrote of the almost comical loyalty and affection his father had shown for WordStar, which he had installed into every new computer he purchased despite the technical difficulty of such an endeavor as the program became increasingly outdated and incompatible with newer computers. He said of WordStar, "I'm told there are better programs, but I'm also told there are better alphabets."[29]Ralph Ellison also used WordStar.[30]Canadian science fiction author Robert J. Sawyer continues to use WordStar for DOS 7.0 (the final release) to write his novels.[31][32]A Song of Ice and Fire author George R. R. Martin still uses the MS-DOS version of WordStar 4.0.[33]Andy Breckman, the creator of Monk, is a devout WordStar user[34].Vampire fiction writer Anne Rice was another faithful user of WordStar who struggled to have it installed on newer computers until it could no longer reasonably be done. She then grudgingly transitioned to Microsoft Word, whose design she felt was comparatively unintuitive and illogical: "WordStar was magnificent. I loved it. It was logical, beautiful, perfect," adding, "Compared to it, MS Word which I use today is pure madness."[35]
Spoilers are at the core of the copyrighted work
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I really can't have a discussion with you about copyright when you refuse to accept what copyright is. Please just google it if you don't believe what I'm saying, despite me taking time to demonstrate it in a clear and concise way.
QuoteI think its rather narcissistic of leakers to post inside info. Rumors are one thing, they are all fun but posting facts IMO is sabatoge and downright uncalled for mere days before a reveal. No one has that privilege.
I think its rather narcissistic of leakers to post inside info. Rumors are one thing, they are all fun but posting facts IMO is sabatoge and downright uncalled for mere days before a reveal. No one has that privilege.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/e3-2019-general-information-and-faq.120602/QuoteTime: Sunday, June 9th | 07:00 pm PDTLength: 21 minutes 29 secondsVenue: N/AOfficial thread by (banned user): https://www.resetera.com/threads/devolver-digitals-e3-conference-june-9-7pm-pt.116209/Main hub: https://www.twitch.tv/devolverdigitalThe OP of that Devolver thread was banned for 3 days, so Rosti went and removed his name in the general thread and inserted "(banned user)"
Can't have E3 without the annual Spotify playlist.
E3 2019: Food and Drink Thread ($30 ITALIAN MEAL = BAN)
I will be living off beer, whiskey, Pringles, Haribo and Pot Noodle like I do every E3 weekend.Though I'll need to pick up some energy drinks too, as I'm getting too old to stay up all night just from the excitement.
One site that can also be very useful during E3 is Business Wire: http://www.businesswire.comHere's the list of news sources:Gaming/tech mediaEurogamer: http://www.eurogamer.netFamitsu: https://www.famitsu.com/search/?category=e3&year=2019GameXplain: https://www.youtube.com/user/GameXplainGamasutra: http://gamasutra.com/Game Informer: http://www.gameinformer.com/p/e3live.aspxGamereactor: http://www.gamereactor.se/tema/e3_2019GamesIndustry.biz: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles?topics=e3-2019GameSpot: http://www.gamespot.com/e3/Giant Bomb: http://www.giantbomb.com/IGN: http://www.ign.com/events/e3Kotaku: http://kotaku.com/MCV: https://mcvuk.com/tag/e3-2019/Multiplayer.it: http://multiplayer.it/Polygon: http://www.polygon.com/e3Spieltimes: https://www.spieltimes.com/Videogamer.com: http://www.videogamer.com
Quote from: BIONIC on June 10, 2019, 08:18:55 AMhttps://twitter.com/erikaverkaaik/status/1138010633209696257"tired understanding of cyberpunk"
https://twitter.com/erikaverkaaik/status/1138010633209696257
I get that, and that's a legitimate issue. But it's separate from copyright, and I think that's important. Misleading marketing is also illegal, but we can't combat that with breaking another law ourselves.
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on June 10, 2019, 08:33:07 AMQuote from: BIONIC on June 10, 2019, 08:18:55 AMhttps://twitter.com/erikaverkaaik/status/1138010633209696257"tired understanding of cyberpunk" Transphobic because one time their Twitter account made a "did u assume my gender??" joke and then deleted it a short time later.
omg, holy shit at this fair use/copyright dude now that I'm drilling back through the reply-quote chain:QuoteI think a company needs all rights related to their products and creations. Their right to first publish is a company's right as the copyright holder, and it's their right to decide how to announce what they want to announce, when they want to announce it. Is that not obvious given the thread we're in?QuoteQuoteYou're saying that if a company forgets to put a security seal on their press website and the information leaks out in advance, people who report on that information should face legal trouble?Are you serious? Absolutely. Do you think security measurements are in place because that's what the law requires to uphold copyright? GRRM could put the next book on an unpatched Windows XP, and you would still not have the right to break his right to first publish.Security measurements are taken because people are dicks and try to hack what they can hack, and make money off of illegal activities. Whether or not the documents have been obtained by security breach or not is absolutely irrelevant in a copyright case, lest the company has put it public, and it can be considered published. That is a very wishy-washy argument.QuoteNo. If Kotaku posted an article reporting on this situation, without furthering the leaks that are a breach of copyright law, then yes, it would be reporting. When you share copyrighted works, you are not reporting. You're just breaking the law. Perhaps you made this post as a joke, I'm sorry, it's hard to tell. So let me respond on a general basis. If this is allowed, then it's journalism to share and report on all the content in an ill-gotten copy of the new GRRM book. Which it isn't. Luckily.QuoteQuoteReporting shit exists is not breaking copyright. Law is not magic, you can't just chant legal terms and hope it will magically make what you say true (unless you have fuck you money, I guess).Linking to images or documents? Sure. Reporting Keenu is in Cyberpunk? Lol no, stop smoking crack.If a book was leaked before it came out, do you really think news sites could site the book? No. Just because someone breaks the law, doesn't mean others can join in on it. This isn't even the core of the issue. Reporting on previously unreported leaks is absolutely not journalism.QuoteNo. Spoilers are at the core of the copyrighted work. Copyrighted work means the copyright holder has a right to first publish. Writing up spoilers is a breach of copyright law.QuoteIf I play your advocate, I'd have to say that a spoiler is fair use. That's the only way it doesn't break copyright.Let's try the four factors of fair use:1) Is the work that's fair use transformative?Is the leak made to comment on anything? Is to to criticize something? It isn't. It's just the original work being leaked.2) The substantiality of the work takenSpoilers are at the heart of the copyrighted work, so a substantial portion is taken.3) Effect of the use upon potential marketA spoiler could make fewer people tune in to a given show, so this would be bad4) Nature of the copyrighted workPublished and factual works are less protected by copyright law. This is an unpublished and a work of fiction. That means it's strongly protected.Given this brief overview of the four factors of fair use, it'd be pretty clear that a spoiler isn't fair use. As such, it's a breach of copyright law.QuoteYou obviously don't know how copyright works. If it's not fair use, then it's just copyright infringement. When you don't really know how it works, please don't pretend you do. And stop with the ad hominems.QuoteI'm a copyright defense force. You say it's journalism's job to report on leaks of public interest. It's not. By your argument, if a journalist got their hands on the new GRRM book before it was finished, they should report on it. It's definitely the public's interest. Right? Luckily, that's not how it works. A kind of revenge for their work environment? Are you shitting me? You can't do stuff like that and think it's has a bearing on other stuff. I'm big on workers rights, and I think the entire game industry should unionize. There are a lot of issues with it, and way too many ways game companies do things wrong.However, this isn't rules set up by the companies. This is the right of anyone that's made something that's copyrighted. They have the right to announce it when they want to. That's the law. Don't try and set the law aside because you think game companies are bad.
QuoteIt definitely soured Elden Ring for me.It did for almost everyone. Just compare online reactions of Elden Ring and Keanu Reeves popping up. Even the most enthusiastic people like Easy Allies were like "eh, it's Elden Ring I guess". Most of that reveal was focused on GRRM being part of the project, and it was ruined. Imagine how people would've freaked out if they didn't know.
It definitely soured Elden Ring for me.
Transphobic because one time their Twitter account made a "did u assume my gender??" joke and then deleted it a short time later.
User Banned (1 Day): Hostility; Previous Warning for HostilityBeing an "Internet character" must be fucking exhausting. Maintaining a weird posting style, coming up with weird threads and ridiculous hot takes on a regular basis, etc.
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/e3-2019-food-and-drink-thread-30-italian-meal-ban.121189/QuoteE3 2019: Food and Drink Thread ($30 ITALIAN MEAL = BAN)lmao
Is the ban threat from OP or mods?
speaking of GRRM using Windows XP, I learned that the dude still uses WordStar 4.0 or something, which is on DOS QuoteWordStar was the program of choice for conservative intellectual William F. Buckley, Jr.,[29] who used the software to write many works, including his last book. This was noted by his son, Christopher Buckley, who wrote of the almost comical loyalty and affection his father had shown for WordStar, which he had installed into every new computer he purchased despite the technical difficulty of such an endeavor as the program became increasingly outdated and incompatible with newer computers. He said of WordStar, "I'm told there are better programs, but I'm also told there are better alphabets."[29]Ralph Ellison also used WordStar.[30]Canadian science fiction author Robert J. Sawyer continues to use WordStar for DOS 7.0 (the final release) to write his novels.[31][32]A Song of Ice and Fire author George R. R. Martin still uses the MS-DOS version of WordStar 4.0.[33]Andy Breckman, the creator of Monk, is a devout WordStar user[34].Vampire fiction writer Anne Rice was another faithful user of WordStar who struggled to have it installed on newer computers until it could no longer reasonably be done. She then grudgingly transitioned to Microsoft Word, whose design she felt was comparatively unintuitive and illogical: "WordStar was magnificent. I loved it. It was logical, beautiful, perfect," adding, "Compared to it, MS Word which I use today is pure madness."[35]
So watching E3 yesterday, Boogie appeared two times at Geoffs Youtube E3 show (again) playing Crash Racing.Then later with Kotakus Stephen Totilo have another small chat.People are asking why gamers get more radicalized. We have people like "ching chang chong" Dr Disrespect getting trending gamer awards. "Took out of context Notch"" podcast hosts. "Both Sides Boogie" appearing over and over again at such events, giving them outreach.Why is no one calling them out on that? It seems instead of calling those people out, the "industry" even wants to hang with them and give them a plattform.
This thread is closed due to our blanket E3 rules:QuoteNo reaction threads – To prevent clutter we will lock all reaction threads during E3. A reaction thread is a topic about a hot take or some other personal reaction to anything that did or did not happen during E3. Examples include "Why wasn't the Switch 2 announced?", "Did Ubisoft just win E3?" and "I can't believe the leaks were real". These sort of topics can be discussed in news threads and conference threads.This can be discussed in the stream thread for now. However, this specific discussion is interesting, please feel free to remake it next week. Thanks.
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It is copyright infringement. Everything someone makes is protected by copyright. If you talk about Game of Thrones, you're talking about someone's copyrighted work. That's copyright infringement. Unless it's fair use. This is very simple, and why I am asking you to simply google what copyright infringement actually is. You believe it is making derivative works, but that's a small part of what it is. I figured DMCA strikes would be a helpful clue to you, but you seem to only be out to making arguments for yourself and completely disregarding everything I'm saying. There's little I can do when someone's factually wrong and refuses to be corrected, so have a nice day.
The industry has too big a problem with this, good on Nintendo taking action. Nothing worse than an incomplete leak screwing the real announcement with all info.A leak years in advance with some general bullet points is fine, but just days ahead of a reveal is so awful.
Kalmakoffee had his account deleted AGAIN https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-need-help-quitting-fighting-games-for-good.122101
QuoteImagine your gaming devices broke, and for the foreseeable future you were unable to play any game at all. What would you see yourself doing on day to day basis in such a scenario?I guess draw but I feel like I would still be shit at that. I'm shit at it and would only end up beating myself up over being shit at that too. Plus, I think being a great fighting game player is far more impressive than ever being a good illustrator.
Imagine your gaming devices broke, and for the foreseeable future you were unable to play any game at all. What would you see yourself doing on day to day basis in such a scenario?
QuoteWhy should we limit our speech just to make sure that an ad for a product can be as effective that it can be?I honestly don't understand why that should be something that I should care about on any level, I really don't.It's call human emphasis. Something severely lacking around here, which comes off as funny given all the 'think of the developers' posts on this site. But I guess all that is just propaganda to stick it to 'cooperations' since stuff like leaks that developers say hurt gets a 'who gives a damn' reaction around here.
Why should we limit our speech just to make sure that an ad for a product can be as effective that it can be?I honestly don't understand why that should be something that I should care about on any level, I really don't.
Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-sends-a-cease-and-desist-to-insider-that-has-leaked-pretty-much-every-e3-2019-announcement.122088/post-21672750QuoteWhy should we limit our speech just to make sure that an ad for a product can be as effective that it can be?I honestly don't understand why that should be something that I should care about on any level, I really don't.It's call human emphasis. Something severely lacking around here, which comes off as funny given all the 'think of the developers' posts on this site. But I guess all that is just propaganda to stick it to 'cooperations' since stuff like leaks that developers say hurt gets a 'who gives a damn' reaction around here.
Why should we limit our speech just to make sure that an ad for a product can be as effective that it can be?
QuoteQuoteImagine your gaming devices broke, and for the foreseeable future you were unable to play any game at all. What would you see yourself doing on day to day basis in such a scenario?I guess draw but I feel like I would still be shit at that. I'm shit at it and would only end up beating myself up over being shit at that too. Plus, I think being a great fighting game player is far more impressive than ever being a good illustrator.newsfeed
pls do not post spoilers for the nintendo direct, i don't want to know which 40-y/o ip is being humped before miyamoto tells me
So the developer of Mario and Rabbid who worked on a passion project under his hero and put himself in the hospital because of stress to make the best game possible doesn't deserve any empathy when his hard work was dumped on the internet and then torn apart by people because people throughs the premise was stupid and the game shouldn't even exist? Not because they even played the game and judged it to be bad, just the premise alone? It just hurt the 'marketing gimmick' and their 'feelings'. Good lord.
What do you mean "believe in confidentiality"?
QuoteI still don't get the point of throwing in "cock sucker". It's homophobic and misyognstic and I really don't want to hear casual unnecessary slurs like that when I'm trying to enjoy a game (or game trailer).Especially in a game that's set so far in the future where you could reasonably assume that people might have come up with some new (possibly less homophobic) insults.
I still don't get the point of throwing in "cock sucker". It's homophobic and misyognstic and I really don't want to hear casual unnecessary slurs like that when I'm trying to enjoy a game (or game trailer).
Can you please help me with what you want clarified, before we stray too far? I'm happy to try and clarify. Talking about something that a source has told you is copyright infringement, yes. There's no difference is speech and text in the eyes of the law, so I don't really know how to demonstrate that negative. Nowhere does it say in copyright law that it must be written, as opposed to anything else. The distinction is there in other parts of law, like libel and slander, but not in copyright law. Breaking copyright is using other people's copyrighted work. Fair use can save you, so if you leak something and it's not a big part that's being leaked – and let me restate that I believe the name of a game is a big part of the copyrighted work when it comes to announcement – you may have a fair use case. If it's transformative, as in providing commentary or otherwise. If the leak doesn't affect the market of the copyrighted work (see Mario vs Rabbids for an example of this). And finally the nature of the copyrighted work. Is it published? Is it fictional? If it's unpublished and fictional, like with these games, then the bar is higher for fair use.This was posted a while back. I believe the example used with Mario vs Rabbids, since the right to first publish was hindered, the public had a field day with the game before it was allowed to be set in context, and the game is argued to have performed worse due to a leak.
Good, leakers are loosers who kill the fun for 4 seconds of fame and they should be reprimanded for their behavior. Next Nintendo should really consider black listing these reputed gaming sights that keep confirming unsubstantiated rumors
They're mad at cyberpunk again QuoteQuoteI still don't get the point of throwing in "cock sucker". It's homophobic and misyognstic and I really don't want to hear casual unnecessary slurs like that when I'm trying to enjoy a game (or game trailer).Especially in a game that's set so far in the future where you could reasonably assume that people might have come up with some new (possibly less homophobic) insults.https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-fact-that-the-cp2077-e3-trailer-had-beep-sounds-for-bad-words-yet-it-depicted-extreme-graphic-violence-is-really-stupid.122157/post-21673350
QuoteCan you please help me with what you want clarified, before we stray too far? I'm happy to try and clarify. Talking about something that a source has told you is copyright infringement, yes. There's no difference is speech and text in the eyes of the law, so I don't really know how to demonstrate that negative. Nowhere does it say in copyright law that it must be written, as opposed to anything else. The distinction is there in other parts of law, like libel and slander, but not in copyright law. Breaking copyright is using other people's copyrighted work. Fair use can save you, so if you leak something and it's not a big part that's being leaked – and let me restate that I believe the name of a game is a big part of the copyrighted work when it comes to announcement – you may have a fair use case. If it's transformative, as in providing commentary or otherwise. If the leak doesn't affect the market of the copyrighted work (see Mario vs Rabbids for an example of this). And finally the nature of the copyrighted work. Is it published? Is it fictional? If it's unpublished and fictional, like with these games, then the bar is higher for fair use.This was posted a while back. I believe the example used with Mario vs Rabbids, since the right to first publish was hindered, the public had a field day with the game before it was allowed to be set in context, and the game is argued to have performed worse due to a leak.
Evil Within 2 for me was really generic, you could really feel it was directed by a white guy. Well each to their own.