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[Transhuman]

[joeboy101]

A dumb "Ogay" joke isn't worth getting upset about just as much the removal of that joke isn't worth getting upset about. It's all dumb

Meh;  none of it upsets me directly, but I think we are better off as a society since homophobic jokes became unacceptable (or at the very least, relegated to actually funny or ironic comedy).   Like I imagine it's way more comfortable to be gay these days than it was 10 years ago when "lol that's gay" was way more common. 

Not my fight to fight but I don't find it funny to laugh at people getting upset over childish homophobia.

Based on everything I’ve seen of it (admittedly not much), Ion Fury would qualify as ironic comedy.

[LurkinMerkin]

A dumb "Ogay" joke isn't worth getting upset about just as much the removal of that joke isn't worth getting upset about. It's all dumb

Meh;  none of it upsets me directly, but I think we are better off as a society since homophobic jokes became unacceptable (or at the very least, relegated to actually funny or ironic comedy).   Like I imagine it's way more comfortable to be gay these days than it was 10 years ago when "lol that's gay" was way more common. 

Not my fight to fight but I don't find it funny to laugh at people getting upset over childish homophobia.

Based on everything I’ve seen of it (admittedly not much), Ion Fury would qualify as ironic comedy.

You mean ionic comedy. Ah hahahha. Ha ha.

Ha.

Riotous big gay.

[marrec]

A dumb "Ogay" joke isn't worth getting upset about just as much the removal of that joke isn't worth getting upset about. It's all dumb

Horseshoe Theory but for reactionary internet incels

[marrec]

o jesus they've decided to lean in

https://twitter.com/voidpnt/status/1166015601074008066

I'm sorry, but if you think playing off the brand name "OLAY" to write "OGAY" is a homophobic slur, I don't know what to tell you. If you're looking to be offended you will often find what you're looking for.

[bork]

THEY GOT HIM

User banned (permanent): linking and endorsing content from a hate movement, severe prior infractions including misogyny

(Image removed from quote.)

Calling Sophia Narwitz a "hate movement" 

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1165989386858717187
https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1165993069457682435

[Nintex]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

[BisMarckie]

Well, we all know what to do now if we want them to walk-back walking-back their walk-back. Let the review bombing begin.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-to-retain-homophobic-content-after-all.137267/page-6#post-23939848

 

War has changed.

It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines.

[marrec]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

The "right thing" would have been to ignore ERA to begin with. Now by arguing with Mike about the definition of "homophobic" they're just going to come out shitty.

[bork]

https://twitter.com/DangerCombo2012/status/1165990972913836032

[bork]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

The "right thing" would have been to ignore ERA to begin with. Now by arguing with Mike about the definition of "homophobic" they're just going to come out shitty.

Yup.  They reacted to the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing too quickly, then got a giant backlash over it and reversed their decision.  They fucked up.

[bork]

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1165980069082406913

 

[Nintex]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

The "right thing" would have been to ignore ERA to begin with. Now by arguing with Mike about the definition of "homophobic" they're just going to come out shitty.

True, and Mike is good people. 

[marrec]

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1165980069082406913

 

 

Sophia and Cauliflower should do a YouTube show together.

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

The "right thing" would have been to ignore ERA to begin with. Now by arguing with Mike about the definition of "homophobic" they're just going to come out shitty.

True, and Mike is good people. 

Mike's hella good people who has quite a lot of goodwill baked in from his recent fight against G2A, why on earth would you publicly spat with him about this?

At this point I'm kinda rooting for the reactionaries to tear these people apart cause they so dumb

[Transhuman]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

I think they're hoping when people see it, they recognise it as a pun of "OLAY", and think "Ha it's funny because gay is funny", which to me seems juvenile and derisive towards homosexuals. I mean if the game was making fun of itself, or set in a universe that is making fun of itself a là Far Cry: Blood Dragon I guess you could consider it a satire, but since no-one has mentioned that I assume it isn't the case

[bork]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

I think they're hoping when people see it, they recognise it as a pun of "OLAY", and think "Ha it's funny because gay is funny", which to me seems juvenile and derisive towards homosexuals. I mean if the game was making fun of itself, or set in a universe that is making fun of itself a là Far Cry: Blood Dragon I guess you could consider it a satire, but since no-one has mentioned that I assume it isn't the case

It's a pretty stupid little joke and if they changed the text to something else, who really gives a shit?  My problem was the immediate bending over backwards because of the REEEEEEEEEEEEEE.  Why the hell do game devs continue to acknowledge purple-gaf?

[marrec]

Imagine fighting to keep a bottom of the barrel "joke" like that in your game for fear of alt-right weirdos review bombing your game and hurting your revenue stream.

Who the fuck wants to be a game dev these days?

[Boredfrom]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

I think they're hoping when people see it, they recognise it as a pun of "OLAY", and think "Ha it's funny because gay is funny", which to me seems juvenile and derisive towards homosexuals. I mean if the game was making fun of itself, or set in a universe that is making fun of itself a là Far Cry: Blood Dragon I guess you could consider it a satire, but since no-one has mentioned that I assume it isn't the case

Eh...

Is a Duke Nukem pseudo spin-off.

[bork]

Imagine fighting to keep a bottom of the barrel "joke" like that in your game for fear of alt-right weirdos review bombing your game and hurting your revenue stream.

Who the fuck wants to be a game dev these days?

Both extreme sides are the problem.  Keep the politics the fuck out of VIDEO GAMES unless your game is actually about that as a subject matter.  They should have thought better about labeling something "Ogay" in 2019, but the over the top REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEaction to it as just as absurd. 

[Boredfrom]

Imagine fighting to keep a bottom of the barrel "joke" like that in your game for fear of alt-right weirdos review bombing your game and hurting your revenue stream.

Who the fuck wants to be a game dev these days?

Being fair, they seem to agree with the alt right weirdos. 

[Nintex]

One scene of the game would have the Reeee's go totally bonkers.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Shelly walks into a lab and finds a new enemy. A sort of exoskeleton that warps around the room.

She screams something to the effect of
"AAEEEHHHHH this is your most fucked up creation yet. He doesn't have a dick!"

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[VomKriege]

Imagine fighting to keep a bottom of the barrel "joke" like that in your game for fear of alt-right weirdos review bombing your game and hurting your revenue stream.

Who the fuck wants to be a game dev these days?

First they came for OGAY and I said nothing...

[marrec]

Imagine fighting to keep a bottom of the barrel "joke" like that in your game for fear of alt-right weirdos review bombing your game and hurting your revenue stream.

Who the fuck wants to be a game dev these days?

Both extreme sides are the problem.  Keep the politics the fuck out of VIDEO GAMES unless your game is actually about that as a subject matter.  They should have thought better about labeling something "Ogay" in 2019, but the over the top REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEaction to it as just as absurd.

100%. Review bombing a game because of Discord chat logs an admitted alt-right troll served up to you is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever seen ERA do, made all the more ridiculous because they weren't actually able to properly make a bomb... the ONLY reason this story has any traction at all is because the devs wanted to publicly placate a small group of idiots who let themselves be puppets.

Really tho, "ogay" is such a bad joke it should be removed for being completely unfunny if not slightly offensive to some people.

[marrec]

Imagine fighting to keep a bottom of the barrel "joke" like that in your game for fear of alt-right weirdos review bombing your game and hurting your revenue stream.

Who the fuck wants to be a game dev these days?

Being fair, they seem to agree with the alt right weirdos. 

Who the fuck knows what they actually agree with, they seem to make decisions based on who is giving them the most bad reviews at any specific moment.

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1165980069082406913

 

Exposé 2 : Exposé Boogaloo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Wow it's gonna be fucking nothing, probably.

[close]

[Boredfrom]

They were in a no win situation and they choose the side that actually buys their stuff, for better or worse it also aligns partially to their political spectrum. Being honest, the guy managing the Voidpoint twitter account should probably just “Shut the fuck up” in the case of saying something more stupid than the Ohgay stuff.

[thisismyusername]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eddie-huang-annouces-that-he-will-go-vegan-on-instagram-to-save-the-amazon.137187/

Era fucking hates vegans which basically boils down to not wanting to give up their precious tendies. 

Im going to go vegan because it takes 20 times less land to feed a vegan than a meat eater and over 90% of the land cleared in the amazon rainforest since 1970 is used for grazing livestock, but if all of us just stopped eating BEEF it would solve huge problems.

1) Bullshit. You put everyone on a Vegan diet and the problem would just be as bad as meat. Just slightly less so.
2) Good on him if he doesn't go back to meat after the Amazon stops burning.

I had a really rough 2018- early 2019, got high and just ate myself to sleep watching Harry Potter a lot lol

Of course.

[Boredfrom]

Imagine fighting to keep a bottom of the barrel "joke" like that in your game for fear of alt-right weirdos review bombing your game and hurting your revenue stream.

Who the fuck wants to be a game dev these days?

Being fair, they seem to agree with the alt right weirdos. 

Who the fuck knows what they actually agree with, they seem to make decisions based on who is giving them the most bad reviews at any specific moment.

All points out that it was 3D realms the ones that panicked.

[Transhuman]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

I think they're hoping when people see it, they recognise it as a pun of "OLAY", and think "Ha it's funny because gay is funny", which to me seems juvenile and derisive towards homosexuals. I mean if the game was making fun of itself, or set in a universe that is making fun of itself a là Far Cry: Blood Dragon I guess you could consider it a satire, but since no-one has mentioned that I assume it isn't the case

Eh...

Is a Duke Nukem pseudo spin-off.

So it's supposed to be "so dumb it's funny"? Like Rob Schneider/ Deadpool type humour?

[HaughtyFrank]

A dumb "Ogay" joke isn't worth getting upset about just as much the removal of that joke isn't worth getting upset about. It's all dumb

Meh;  none of it upsets me directly, but I think we are better off as a society since homophobic jokes became unacceptable (or at the very least, relegated to actually funny or ironic comedy).   Like I imagine it's way more comfortable to be gay these days than it was 10 years ago when "lol that's gay" was way more common. 

Not my fight to fight but I don't find it funny to laugh at people getting upset over childish homophobia.

You're not wrong, I guess it's just the way Era goes about it that makes them look so dumb.
Like apparently it's their job to police the industry

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Era does a pretty respectable job of helping to police this industry. The previous thread may have actually saved lives because it dug up some off-site shit, thanks to the Trevor Project donation which we now know is going to still happen. We've been the instigating, central point for numerous journalistic moves, including -- but absolutely not limited to -- the original story on places like GI concerning this.

It's not a stretch to say we could have done more.

So it's supposed to be "so dumb it's funny"? Like Rob Schneider/ Deadpool type humour?

That's my read on it but I haven't actually played the game to know how much it fits the tone

[Nintex]

The devs are doing the right thing.

It's just a harmless joke, like everything in the game. The game takes place in this dystopian mess of a future.
If they played it they would find stuff way more offending 

I think they're hoping when people see it, they recognise it as a pun of "OLAY", and think "Ha it's funny because gay is funny", which to me seems juvenile and derisive towards homosexuals. I mean if the game was making fun of itself, or set in a universe that is making fun of itself a là Far Cry: Blood Dragon I guess you could consider it a satire, but since no-one has mentioned that I assume it isn't the case

Eh...

Is a Duke Nukem pseudo spin-off.

So it's supposed to be "so dumb it's funny"? Like Rob Schneider/ Deadpool type humour?

Yup, that sums up the game pretty well. That and amazeballs level design.

[tiesto]

Should have just made the 10k donation with a much shorter, simpler statement and silently removed the out of bounds room and the ogay bottle in the next patch. Yes, reset would be upset at the silence, but you can afford to upset them. That way you dont wake the homophobic giant in the room and still do the right thing.

It's pretty pathetic you have to tip-toe around the fact a good chunk of consumers still think shit like "OGay" is acceptable or even funny.

And kinda sad this forum seems to think Resetera are the ones to be sneering at here.

Personally, what comes to mind when I see "OGay" is reminiscent of pro-Pride corporate appropriation. It's 2019 and "gay" isn't an insult or harmful.

[marrec]

Should have just made the 10k donation with a much shorter, simpler statement and silently removed the out of bounds room and the ogay bottle in the next patch. Yes, reset would be upset at the silence, but you can afford to upset them. That way you dont wake the homophobic giant in the room and still do the right thing.

It's pretty pathetic you have to tip-toe around the fact a good chunk of consumers still think shit like "OGay" is acceptable or even funny.

And kinda sad this forum seems to think Resetera are the ones to be sneering at here.

Personally, what comes to mind when I see "OGay" is reminiscent of pro-Pride corporate appropriation. It's 2019 and "gay" isn't an insult or harmful.

https://www.pointandclickbait.com/2019/08/actually-its-you-apostrophe-re/

[Boredfrom]

Impressively spineless. I guess the change last week had less to do with decency and more to do with 3DR/Voidpoint caving to literally any pressure online. Articles are being written about our 90s-ass homophobia? Better take it out and make a statement. We’re being review bombed and getting dragged on our Steam forums? Better put it back in and make another statement. There are no convictions on display here, just “please don’t be mad at us” groveling.

This is the world you have been fighting for, though. I will concede that is funny that the game fan base see nothing wrong with doing the same reactionary bitching that they hate for a minor joke and a joke it was no supposed to be seen by the player.  At one point you need to realize if bitching on social media actually changes stuff for the better or is just reactionary BS to corps and politicians to panic over.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

This is kind of first for a celebrity chef type to go vegan, right?

I love how they think all these people are well known or something.

[bork]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Era does a pretty respectable job of helping to police this industry. The previous thread may have actually saved lives because it dug up some off-site shit, thanks to the Trevor Project donation which we now know is going to still happen. We've been the instigating, central point for numerous journalistic moves, including -- but absolutely not limited to -- the original story on places like GI concerning this.

It's not a stretch to say we could have done more.

Who said this?    It's on par with "Gaf's strict moderation was probably the main force that formed me into an intellectually responsible and respectful adult."

Newsfeed.

EDIT: found it: https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-to-retain-homophobic-content-after-all.137267/page-8#post-23941903

[VomKriege]

Rob Schneider

Roy Scheider 

[Boredfrom]

I'm not saying that.

I'm heavily implying it, though.

 

[VomKriege]

PewDiePie gives money directly or head charity drives in the hundred of thousands - Yeah well good for him but he's still a shit head.

Koch bankrolled for hundred of millions Cancer research facilities - Pfff. Obvious self interest.

ResetERA participated in a public uproar that resulted in a 10k donation - Let's not mince words : we may have saved lives there.

[Transhuman]

Personally, what comes to mind when I see "OGay" is reminiscent of pro-Pride corporate appropriation. It's 2019 and "gay" isn't an insult or harmful.

The insult would be if the joke was simply that something associated with the word gay is funny, as though being gay is a thing of ridicule. That being said I am nowhere near familiar enough with this game to understand the context, and I doubt i'll play it so I never will.

[Boredfrom]

oh cool, i was just talking about how the misuse of the word "censorship" has bad implications and lets people defend stuff that is indefensible.

fuck this game. let it get its edgelord validation sales and then fucking die

 

 

[Shuri]

PewDiePie gives money directly or head charity drives in the hundred of thousands - Yeah well good for him but he's still a shit head.

Koch bankrolled for hundred of millions Cancer research facilities - Pfff. Obvious self interest.

ResetERA participated in a public uproar that resulted in a 10k donation - Let's not mince words : we may have saved lives there.

Are you going to show up at the protest? Yeah well I can't, I have something else to do on that day you see
Are you going to vote? It's not worth it. I don't vote because I know it's rigged and nothing will change.
Do you have a job? I don't work because automation will kill most jobs and  Also Basic Income Guarantee  is coming so I'll wait and do creative stuff.  #learn2code

[porkbun]

Rob Schneider

Roy Scheider 

Tropic Thunder 

Blue Thunder 

[bork]

Rob Schneider

Roy Scheider 

Tropic Thunder 

Blue Thunder 

Blue Steel 

[Mr. Nobody]

All of this for a fucking bottle of shampoo in a video game? 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

facial cream

[Nintex]

Most developers have publishers or someone in charge of reviewing the game content breathing down their necks to say what they can and can't do.
A lot of things that make Ion Fury great would've never been included if the publisher had screened the content. It's a game that literally could've been on store shelves in 1997.

OGay is just a thing you have to accept in the name of creative freedom if you want this type of game to exist. Because no sane publisher would sign a game like this in 2019. Except for 3D Realms.

I'm not holding out much hope for console ports either because of the same reasons.

[VomKriege]

All of this for a fucking bottle of shampoo in a video game? 

It's about hygiene in videogames.

[stufte]

Well, we all know what to do now if we want them to walk-back walking-back their walk-back. Let the review bombing begin.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-to-retain-homophobic-content-after-all.137267/page-6#post-23939848

 

This is why companies shouldn't engage with these fringe fucks. Just deal with the people who want to play your game and don't get involved in the pathetic online proxy wars.

[marrec]

facial cream

eraclear.joke

[HaughtyFrank]

"Why do these assholes complain about censorship?"

*meanwhile in the same thread*

Steam needs to delist this garbage.

I'd urge people to report the store page, as that's the only way to get Valve to do anything about it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-to-retain-homophobic-content-after-all.137267/post-23943908

[Propagandhim]

You'll feel a sense of purpose and meaning for all of 1 fleeting second, and then it's back to being miserable?

[LurkinMerkin]

Steam needs to delist this garbage.

I'd urge people to report the store page, as that's the only way to get Valve to do anything about it.

What do people mean when they say censorship? I'm getting tired of that word

 
Remember - Deplatforming is not censorship. It’s just getting rid of controversial and offensive things.

EDIT: Beaten by Frank  :'(

[Raist]

I'm sure they're terrified at the prospect of getting review bombed by a few dozens reetata posters.

[OnlyRegret]

All of this for a fucking bottle of shampoo in a video game? 

I probably would've misread it as Olay and never thought about it again
Amazing

[Nintex]

The developers of this game started working on it in 2015.
So far they sold about 100k - 200k copies.

The team includes developers who have autism are disabled or both.
They really don't have to worry about 3D Realms doing another game with these guys because I doubt a second game was ever doable.
It's a passion project of Duke3D fans more than anything.

That's also why the developers don't give a fuck about their reputation and/or future prospects because as it stands there are none 

[stufte]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-to-retain-homophobic-content-after-all.137267/post-23944999


The purge continues.

[Nintex]

Maybe it's good that Gearbox has Duke now. Pitchford's a moron, but at least Gearbox in general seems to be pretty progressive.

Who cares that Randy is a talentless hack leeching of SEGA doing piss play all day. At least he is progressive

[stufte]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-to-retain-homophobic-content-after-all.137267/post-23945276

I'm glad I waited on this, this shit sucks.

You weren't going to buy it anyway you stupid furry.

[HaughtyFrank]

Ahh, good old "Webster's Dictionary defines censorship as.."

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ion-fury-to-retain-homophobic-content-after-all.137267/post-23945117

Getting mad at some quoting the dictionary while everyone talks about how no one understands what censorship means but doesn't back it up with a single citation