River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hillary-clinton-says-we-must-be-%E2%80%98sensitive%E2%80%99-to-transphobia.147072/post-25471408

I think we're going to disagree on what constitutes bigotry. You're basically saying that unless people fall in line and do as you say, they are bigoted and somehow causing you actual harm.

This post really got under my skin. I do believe that shouting at people to fuck off is unproductive, but understand that first off, that you're callously telling my girlfriend that she just doesn't understand the bigotry that she faces every fucking day.

Additionally, I was a mod for almost two years here and spent an unbelievable amount of time dealing with people here who don't think I'm a woman and would prefer I never post here again. To see you basically post "good riddance!" hurts, which I'm sure is what you wanted. I give up, you won.

[VomKriege]

Did you literally just "I have a trans friend"?

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hillary-clinton-says-we-must-be-%E2%80%98sensitive%E2%80%99-to-transphobia.147072/post-25474649

[thisismyusername]

Oh, you're still talking Blizzard?

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/blizzard-cancels-overwatch-event-in-new-york-city/1100-6470548/

"We can't kick Chairman's ass without flooding your Twatter to the point you cancel because you're sweating bullets."

[thisismyusername]

Holy shit.



https://www.reddit.com/r/Blizzard/comments/di9mph/now_it_makes_sense/

[benjipwns]

Telling people to "shut the fuck up" and calling them "assholes" violates forum rules no matter how you slice it. I thought the bans were fair.

And yes, Clinton is still shit.

Nah fuck that. Someone telling me that I am a lesser person and invalidating my existence can FUCK OFF RIGHT INTO THE SUN! That you came here to basically tell off us trans folks to shut up and sit down makes you a HUGE ASSHOLE!

I'm not gonna even entertain you with a valid repsone. Grow up, pal.

No, you have no idea what life she has led, you have no idea what struggles she has made, you of all people in a thread filled with trans folk expressing their anger and sorrow have no right to come into their lives and demand they fucking "grow up" you ignoramus!

good thing this thread already has "sensitive" in the title

[HaughtyFrank]

This is just being dense. For example, I have a transgender woman who is a friend. There are aspects of her life that are simply different than my friend who is a cisgender woman. It is okay to acknowledge those differences. Nobody is saying that makes them “not a woman”.

I am Eritrean. I am not African American, even though I do live in America. There are differences between my life and background from those that are African American. Me acknowledging those difference does not mean I’m “not black”. And sometimes those differences can be meaningful depending on the context. And when it comes to transgender/cisgender, it’s not only meaningful in the hospital. I’m saying all this 100% with the mindset that this isn’t about separating transgender women or men as being “others”. It is frustrating when you get put on blast for not saying what the crowd is saying verbatim, even if others are being disgusting towards transgender people.

Just stop, please.

They seriously consider that a transphobic statement


Are they about to side eye anyone who says "trans rights" and not "women rights"?

[Uncle]

Did you literally just "I have a trans friend"?

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hillary-clinton-says-we-must-be-%E2%80%98sensitive%E2%80%99-to-transphobia.147072/post-25474649

a trans friend is someone who was not your friend but experiences discomfort from the lack of it and gradually transitions into one 

TRANS FRIENDS ARE FRIENDS

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hillary-clinton-says-we-must-be-%E2%80%98sensitive%E2%80%99-to-transphobia.147072/post-25476776

No. The original bans were justified given the hostility. You can defend yourself without telling others "to eat shit".

But whatever, I'm done discussing this with you... ✌🏾

oh dear, this is as bad as gamergators telling mobile gamers that they're not MCU fans

[VomKriege]

I have a trans(lator) friend so I think can handle Chinese idioms.

[porkbun]

senior forums don't have a single thread regarding China

There won't be until Cotton Hill finds the Chinaman who shot off his knees in Korea.

[Uncle]

This is just being dense. For example, I have a transgender woman who is a friend. There are aspects of her life that are simply different than my friend who is a cisgender woman. It is okay to acknowledge those differences. Nobody is saying that makes them “not a woman”.

I am Eritrean. I am not African American, even though I do live in America. There are differences between my life and background from those that are African American. Me acknowledging those difference does not mean I’m “not black”. And sometimes those differences can be meaningful depending on the context. And when it comes to transgender/cisgender, it’s not only meaningful in the hospital. I’m saying all this 100% with the mindset that this isn’t about separating transgender women or men as being “others”. It is frustrating when you get put on blast for not saying what the crowd is saying verbatim, even if others are being disgusting towards transgender people.

Just stop, please.

They seriously consider that a transphobic statement


Are they about to side eye anyone who says "trans rights" and not "women rights"?

rewording the post in accordance with onilinkplus's requirements:

This is just being dense. For example, I have a woman who is a friend. There are aspects of her life that are simply different than my friend who is a woman. It is okay to acknowledge those differences. Nobody is saying that makes them “not a woman”.

see this is so much more readable

[Joe Molotov]

I don't speak any other languages, no, but I have an incredibly passing understanding of Japanese more or less relegated to sentence structure and grammar particles right now. I also hang around translators, both professional ones and fan ones, and read a lot about what they talk about. On top of this, I'm a professional in the Anime industry who has proofed subtitles before and I can sniff out a lot of times where lines 'feel' translated because a lot of the time it's the result of idioms or sentence structure impacting the way a line becomes written. I fully appreciate the deep and vital importance of nuance when it comes to translation between languages.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xi-jinping-warns-efforts-to-divide-china-will-end-in-crushed-bodies-and-shattered-bones.146943/post-25440318

i can't

This sentence looks translated. I can tell from some of the grammar particles and from seeing quite a few fansubs in my day.

[benjipwns]

rewording the post in accordance with onilinkplus's requirements:

This is just being dense. For example, I have a woman who is a friend. There are aspects of her life that are simply different than my friend who is a woman. It is okay to acknowledge those differences. Nobody is saying that makes them “not a woman”.

see this is so much more readable

wow literal trans erasure

i can't even right now

[Pwnz]

Oh they're trying to say "STFU BITCH AND LISTEN" but in a nice way. Nine is standing his/her ground

[benjipwns]

User Banned (1 Week): Inappropriate Pedantry over Multiple Posts in a Sensitive Thread

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they even capitalized Sensitive Thread™

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[Pwnz]

RIP Nine.

Ripped in pieces for being a trans transphobic cunt or something.

This is why I never post in trans threads on era.

[Uncle]

don't use the word trans 




do use the word trans 

[EightBitNate]

Can you really not say that trans women and natural women have different experiences? Don’t trans communities want people to recognize their struggle? The problems/experiences can be largely different while both are considered women. Why is this such a controversial topic?

[Uncle]

This sentence looks trans lated.

[Pwnz]

Era mods consensus on banning Nine:
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3bdcd6bf-9dad-47c8-a5d5-1045815d10e9

[benjipwns]

I hope the ResetERA.com staff realize this is not a step towards protecting the forum from bigotry until they issue a public apology to those who were unfairly banned signed by each member of the staff along with a personal testimony as to the staff's recognition of why their attack on marginalized members of the forum is unacceptable.

[Uncle]

when I was snipping those posts on one page nineconsonants was just your average forum poster and when I clicked to the next his name was crossed out

I can still click forward and back to watch it toggle back and forth it's really fun

[Pwnz]

Can you really not say that trans women and natural women have different experiences? Don’t trans communities want people to recognize their struggle? The problems/experiences can be largely different while both are considered women. Why is this such a controversial topic?

I get the impression that the vocal trans rights era members are like the equivalent of assholes on bikes that choose whichever laws or narrative suites them.

[benjipwns]

Can you really not say that trans women and natural women have different experiences? Don’t trans communities want people to recognize their struggle? The problems/experiences can be largely different while both are considered women. Why is this such a controversial topic?

It's not. You're confused.

You seem to think this has something to do with the trans community. ResetERA.com's members are insane people who happen to be trans. They really just want to be authoritarian assholes to people and this is how they've chosen to maximize this hobby. They're the type to see nothing wrong in going to OB/GYN's (or an ER because they're even less normal) and demanding a pap smear plus a pregnancy check.

[Pwnz]

Yeah I seriously think a lot of those guys are trolls because it is the only legal way to troll on era.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

The mods know to jump into the feedback loop before the conversation turns to talking about using the term trans at all to describe transgendered individuals.


It's like that crazy lesbian that wants people to know her transitioned boyfriend used to be a woman.

e: sorry, not crazy lesbian, cunt.

[Don Rumata]

Can you really not say that trans women and natural women have different experiences? Don’t trans communities want people to recognize their struggle? The problems/experiences can be largely different while both are considered women. Why is this such a controversial topic?

There's no such thing as "trans communities", just women communities and men communities. 

[Pwnz]

Can you really not say that trans women and natural women have different experiences? Don’t trans communities want people to recognize their struggle? The problems/experiences can be largely different while both are considered women. Why is this such a controversial topic?

There's no such thing as "trans communities", just women communities and men communities. 

I don't see penises and vaginas, only people. We're all pink on the inside, n00b.

[Risible]

We are not different types of women. We are the same type of women - women, period - who differ …

I'm not really up on trans issues, but is this how most trans people feel? Because that seems insane. NGL, the cats analogy seemed a whole lot saner to me

[Uncle]

We are not different types of women. We are the same type of women - women, period - who differ …

I'm not really up on trans issues, but is this how most trans people feel? Because that seems insane. NGL, the cats analogy seemed a whole lot saner to me

wait what cats analogy

are you trying to compare this to a trans person

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[thisismyusername]

(Image removed from quote.)

My kid trying to draw Ridley drew klan members. Era, what's the best way to cut him out of my life?

Fuck Off

This is going down as my most underrated post.

STILL NO LIKES

HEY POGI JONES'S SON,

FUCK OFF

I'll like this post, if only because it'll allow Pogi to be gay finally.

[benjipwns]

NGL, the cats analogy seemed a whole lot saner to me

[benjipwns]

I feel like the very fact that every thread about trans people on this forum turns into an insane clusterfuck is maybe evidence that the problem isn’t that we’re not nice enough to transphobic cis people

Without fail, these threads become places for people to tell trans people why they’re wrong for being upset. Transphobia is alive and well and we’re told to put up with it for reason after reason. We’re told that we’re the ones who should educate, and when that fails we’re the ones who should be less sensitive. People invariably jump on a simple mantra like “trans women are women and trans men are men” to slap on whatever asterisks they feel are appropriate, and we‘re forced to argue in favor of our existences yet again. And the process repeats each and every time a new trans-related thread pops up. It’s exhausting.

And once again a thread about trans issues turns into Era’s Trans community having to play defense and validation on multiple points that don’t even have anything to do with the original point of the thread.

Stay classy ERA.

LoL on the hostility being unearned and people arguing that people not being civil should be banned being more important than the fact that in this thread I have already been told I am not real more than once, in one example being compared to cats and dogs, in the other cars and trucks. Thanks for that, I for one will sleep peacefully tonight.

This whole thread was a rough read, cat analogy and the “decorum” valley especially...

I'm sorry that y'all had to once again deal with this on here. Hoping that you can find something that helps even if just a little tonight.

This thread is the perfect storm of Hillary and transphobia, Era's most acceptable form of bigotry, so it being a shitshow is honestly just to be expected.

Its just another moment of realization that this board isn't as progressive as it claims to be.

Sorry to all the members of the lgtbq community that have to deal with this nonsense.Just know that theres a lot more people here that support you than the ass holes that come on here to shit post.

and scene

[nachobro]

the differences are due to medical aspects. also there are no differences.

[stufte]

if there are any differences at all, it's because of cisbigotry.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nfl-ot-week-6-world-of-tanks.145699/post-25454462

User Banned (2 weeks): inflammatory comments

Lost by .2 in fantasy cause Stafford didn’t get the ball back. Here’s hoping the Green Bay plane crashes when they fly next cowards

Edit - Clearly this is in jest why anyone would think this is serious is beyond me

[benjipwns]

User Banned (5 days): Antagonising Another User and Misrepresenting Their Post History; Prior Bans for Antagonistic Behaviour

Why do you find a way to make the same thread every other fucking week?

User Banned (1 Week):Excusing violent/inappropriate content

I thought that was some funny ****.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Oh shit, that's new and delicious

Misrepresenting Their Post History

[KarpalaJoe]

Damn sometime, it's almost like trans people are the center of the world... or maybe most people don't give a shit about it, in one way or another.

[nachobro]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nfl-ot-week-6-world-of-tanks.145699/post-25454462

User Banned (2 weeks): inflammatory comments

Lost by .2 in fantasy cause Stafford didn’t get the ball back. Here’s hoping the Green Bay plane crashes when they fly next cowards

Edit - Clearly this is in jest why anyone would think this is serious is beyond me

GB playing the Raiders next so I agree

[benjipwns]

I'm sorry that y'all had to once again deal with this on here. Hoping that you can find something that helps even if just a little tonight.

[KarpalaJoe]

Oh great ERA goes full TERF after I get banned just my luck.

Mate, you should start fucking a mod, that's the proper way to be invincible on Era. I heard you had one in your contact, should be izzy. 

[benjipwns]

Mate, you should start fucking a mod, that's the proper way to be invincible on Era. I heard you had one in your contact, should be izzy. 

That's a The Bire exclusive mod scandal.

[Lonewulfeus]

The PS4 Pro is probably just too weak to justify them wasting extra development time on enhancements given how other games have either been 1080p or at best 1440p on the Pro.

Sure lol

Amazing.

Total bs.

Cool!

Edit: Outer Worlds/Outer Wilds confusion strikes again!



LMAO. You have an incredible talent at always finding the interpretation that portrays Xbox positively and Sony negatively, like your recent suggestion that vague, boilerplate PR somehow indicated that AMD-MS collaboration had resulted in significant silicon customization in new Surface products (therefore indicating the Scarlett APU will have greater customization than PS5's APU).

Yes it's so weak that other games when enhanced suddenly stop working. What's with these comical post?

Sony Ponies rn 

[VomKriege]

Nine Consonants / Two Words (IIRC) can be a bit of a dunce and I've linked some of his messages here in the past but overall the guy never struck me as hateful as far as I can remember. It's more "well meaning in general but laborious & tedious" just like in that thread and really in a dogpile it's down to flight and creating an history of histories of flights or fight with walls of polite text hoping to prove good faith.

[Uncle]

Nine Consonants / Two Words (IIRC) can be a bit of a dunce and I've linked some of his messages here in the past but overall the guy never struck me as hateful as far as I can remember. It's more "well meaning in general but laborious & tedious" just like in that thread and really in a dogpile it's down to flight and creating an history of histories of flights or fight with walls of polite text hoping to prove good faith.

he's probably a little acoustic

[Lonewulfeus]

Nine Consonants / Two Words (IIRC) can be a bit of a dunce and I've linked some of his messages here in the past but overall the guy never struck me as hateful as far as I can remember. It's more "well meaning in general but laborious & tedious" just like in that thread and really in a dogpile it's down to flight and creating an history of histories of flights or fight with walls of polite text hoping to prove good faith.

He has mentioned many times that he is Eritrean, it could be that English isn’t his first language and he’s just couching his statements as much as possible so he’s not misunderstood?

[VomKriege]

Possibly, yeah. Besides my 2cents opinion of his career as a forum poster, he got got dirty there.

[benjipwns]

At least his INAPPROPRIATE PEDANTRY wasn't as INFLAMMATORY as COMMENTING about the Green Bay Packers dying in a plane crash.

[benjipwns]

lmao they even took the warning off this post:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/hillary-clinton-says-we-must-be-%E2%80%98sensitive%E2%80%99-to-transphobia.147072/post-25464924

[Uncle]

if he actually is autistic then framing his desire for details and precise factual statements as "pedantry" is 

[benjipwns]

I hadn't seen the staff post lol

OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION

We have reviewed, discussed, and adjusted the moderation actions taken in this thread.

This is a sensitive subject, and as such, we ask that you tackle it with respect, compassion and empathy. Please take the time to listen to members of the community who have a personal perspective on the issue. Do not speak over them and ignore their concerns.

As always, we also ask that you avoid hostility towards other users. Hostility only makes moderating these threads that much harder for staff. Instead, we ask that you make use of the report system. If you think someone is trolling and not sincerely trying to discuss or learn, please report them instead of escalating in the thread. All reports are reviewed and handled by a diverse staff with several trans members of the team who have provided input and perspective. If you see posts that you believe violate our terms of service for transphobia, we urge you to report them for the staff to review. If you have greater concerns about how a thread was moderated, you may also reach out to Mod Captains.

Thank you for your patience while we reviewed the thread. It is now open for discussion.

shosta, explain this "sentence"

[Nintex]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

[VomKriege]

Not only do apologies to all the people warned and banned by error should be issued, but the mods need to grovel in a public mea culpa.

Nothing less can dispel the fact that ERA is literally GG Central now.

[benjipwns]

lol at this from May:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/transera-era1-were-people-okay.1909/post-20967188

Nothing wrong with wanting to be in the middle, but to me it seems like you still lean feminine... Just my two cents.

Being a transgender tomboy is almost nonbinary-ish. Maybe. I dunno.

Do what makes you comfortable, define yourself, not how society views things.

thankeee <3

I do visually want to lean feminine/gyne side of androgynous, but i was always pretty fine being a cis man, even when i started going out in public in a gender-nonconforming fashion

Funny you bring up trans tomboy, because when this happened I was pondering if i could be a butch lesbian and a straight femboy...simultaneously...? Liiike...if I was born female or idenified as a woman, I'd still choose to be more androgynous but maybe more boyish or tougher than I do now as a man. Like I'd be destined to be gender-nonconforming no matter how I was born.

(Someone jokingly notated me as a lesboy, which i sorta unironically love bwahaha)

And I finally questioned if i'd be comfortable in a female body as well when i visualized myself with boobs...and then maybe padded a bra and didn't hate the look and feel ;>.>

Like, this wasn't a lifelong desire or something I knew i might want, I just tried and experimented and didn't know this stuff might apply to me until now.

My thoughts are jumble and fluid but i hope they make sense to someone XD

Hey thanks LooseGoose for sending me that rotten transphobic PM and congrats on the permaban. Bai betch

So they made their account just to do that? What a loser. Sorry you had to go though that.

I'm fine but if she had sent that to someone more sensitive about their identity then holy fuck i would not want anyone to get hurt

Oof, good to know the transphobes still exist here. Gotta be careful :/

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Glad you're alright, How About No.

What the heck, it's baffling that a regular in this thread would send a transphobic PM. Some people...

Wow what the fuck. That LooseGoose thing is just... yikes. Sorry you had to go through that, How About No.

[VomKriege]

  PRC bot sighted !

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-let%E2%80%99s-talk-about-anti-asian-bias.147180/

And it’s not that having those experiences, education and knowledge is bad. The issue come when issue brought up by Asian-Era are dismissed out of hand because “Your use of Asian language is grammatically incorrect.” Or “When I was teaching English in...” And “I’ve been with my partner and my partner says...”. I fee like it’s not necessary to explain how incredibly disconcerting it is to be told that our experiences and issues only matter when validated though a non-Asian lens.

Stinkles ?

[benjipwns]

lmao at Beefy's threat:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/hillary-clinton-says-we-must-be-%E2%80%98sensitive%E2%80%99-to-transphobia.147072/post-25455889

When specifically describing TERFers. Are people racist when they bring up that racist people say "I have a black friend?"

Kiblar, are you trans? I ask this because if you’re not, you are in a thread where multiple trans men and trans women have said why they find her words offensive. It is no longer your place to tell these trans men and trans women what they should be offended by. If they find it offensive, then it is offensive, and hand-wringing till the cows come home makes you come off as trying to overturn the multiple voices in here, which if you are not trans is very insulting.

I am not trans, just as I am not black nor Muslim. I cannot ever truly know their troubles or experiences. What I can do is that when they say something, they speak from experience and defer to them. I do not insist that I am right and triple down trying to prove to the victims that they are wrong.

Wouldn't be a poliera thread if Kirblar didn't take the devil's advocate stance.

I always thought they were a straight older white man 😅😅

I'm not, I'm gay, but not trans. There is a difference between "I'm offended by this" and "She is a TERF". I'm engaging with the former argument because I didn't really understand it and I can get where some of it is coming from now. The latter aspect is not just "I'm offended", it's actively calling her a TERF based off an interview where at no point she actively expresses that those are her personal views.

Imagine dying defending Hillary

[VomKriege]

Way too vague what are your grievances?

I dont get who you're talking to

[Uncle]

PRC bot sighted !

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-let%E2%80%99s-talk-about-anti-asian-bias.147180/

And it’s not that having those experiences, education and knowledge is bad. The issue come when issue brought up by Asian-Era are dismissed out of hand because “Your use of Asian language is grammatically incorrect.” Or “When I was teaching English in...” And “I’ve been with my partner and my partner says...”. I fee like it’s not necessary to explain how incredibly disconcerting it is to be told that our experiences and issues only matter when validated though a non-Asian lens.

Stinkles ?

on era you get banned if you talk about the real reasons it's difficult to see things through an asian lens

[benjipwns]

We can disagree here. It doesn't excuse the person but in the real world of trying to make change it definitely matters. If I knew that one person wasn't even aware the things they were saying was hateful and simply didn't know about the topic at hand, and another person was saying those things out of pure spite, I would undoubtedly have a different approach and interaction with both of those people.

We can disagree but as a dude that has to put up with bigots, your opinion doesn't really matter