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« Reply #1200 on: November 14, 2020, 10:52:04 AM »
Digital Foundry did the big one.

Xbox Series X | S | PC ray tracing.



- RT Settings used on console are partly lower than the lowest setting the PC allows in the menu
- RTX 2060 (Super) beats Xbox Series X at a higher resolution and destoys it with DLSS on

Uuuh so?

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« Reply #1201 on: November 14, 2020, 11:21:21 AM »
The graphics card that costs more than the whole console has better performance? :titus

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« Reply #1202 on: November 14, 2020, 12:09:07 PM »
As he says in the video, back when they tested Gears of War on Series X at Microsoft they thought it was closer to the RTX 2080 in terms of performance.

The graphics card that costs more than the whole console has better performance? :titus
2060 (S) actually cheaper than a Xbox Series X.
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« Reply #1203 on: November 14, 2020, 01:32:50 PM »
The bubbleboy 9800XGT is actually more powerful than the Xbooty_Sauce 4200DKX inside the Xbox?

Completely invalidates everything about the console.
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« Reply #1204 on: November 14, 2020, 02:24:15 PM »
Might as well throw your trashboxes in the dumpsters guys

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« Reply #1205 on: November 14, 2020, 04:57:21 PM »
Might as well throw your trashboxes in the dumpsters guys

You better be strong like big American, I just got it and it's a hefty boy.
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« Reply #1206 on: November 15, 2020, 01:05:19 AM »
Series S is also heavy af. Looks kawaii though.

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« Reply #1207 on: November 15, 2020, 06:07:43 AM »

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« Reply #1208 on: November 15, 2020, 12:02:08 PM »
If anyone seeís Series Xís available in the US let me know...

Iím jealous of the missus new console, itís a beast.

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« Reply #1209 on: November 15, 2020, 09:32:37 PM »
:bow Vincent-sama, give me your calibration knowledge :bow2

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« Reply #1210 on: November 16, 2020, 03:31:00 AM »


Since my XSX was the most generous gift from the nicest person on the planet, I took the opportunity to buy last year's C9 OLED on sale. Setting it up was a nightmare, but OH MY FUCK.

(Note: I'm upgrading from a 15-year-old 42 inch LED)

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« Reply #1211 on: November 16, 2020, 07:54:32 AM »
LG OLED is the best TV ever.
My C8 is already  :mouf

It gives all your content(TM) a glow up.
And those blacks  :shaq

One downside though, iMax movie theaters will leave you thinking: "Meh, this looks better at home'
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« Reply #1212 on: November 16, 2020, 08:16:53 AM »
Looking forward to jumping straigth to 8K when my 1080p Sony breaks down in 2027.

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« Reply #1213 on: November 16, 2020, 08:49:50 AM »
Looking forward to jumping straigth to 8K when my 1080p Sony breaks down in 2027.

I'm in the same boat. I'm not getting huge improvements on my console experiences because my TVs are both 1080p.
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« Reply #1214 on: November 16, 2020, 09:06:17 AM »
I'm just waiting for a decent 2.1 OLED to come out at 85".

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« Reply #1215 on: November 16, 2020, 10:28:43 AM »
My bravia has a light problem on the right side where its showing extta bright light like a leak or something but eh im planning to buy a new tv next year

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« Reply #1216 on: November 16, 2020, 10:43:16 AM »
My bravia has a light problem on the right side where its showing extta bright light like a leak or something but eh im planning to buy a new tv next year

Xbr x900e per chance? If so give Sony a call we did when the fald failed again and we started getting light bleeding. Sony sent someone out and replaced it with a x950h 2020 model. At least they stand behind their products unlike Samsung.

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« Reply #1217 on: November 16, 2020, 11:36:31 AM »
How are 4K screens nowadays with input lag?

Reason i chose my Sony was the 17ms input lag which was the best you could get really back then.

Dont want to buy anything with loads of lag

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« Reply #1218 on: November 16, 2020, 11:49:07 AM »
LG CX should be the best tv for gaming. That has 13ms input lag.

Seems the 2020 Samsung Qled are at around 10ms input lag.

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« Reply #1219 on: November 16, 2020, 11:58:42 AM »
LG CX should be the best tv for gaming. That has 13ms input lag.

Seems the 2020 Samsung Qled are at around 10ms input lag.

Nice! Those are prob 1 class above what Ill be looking at. But still very promising, I remember a few years ago most of these 4k sets where in their 30s/50s apparently.

Like I have a series W8 Sony when W9 was the top.

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« Reply #1220 on: November 16, 2020, 01:01:19 PM »
Is Tetris Effect supposed to have a tiny playfield?
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« Reply #1221 on: November 16, 2020, 01:08:05 PM »
It most likely has the smaller playfield cause it used to be a VR game. I think you can zoom it in with one of the sticks.

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« Reply #1222 on: November 16, 2020, 01:09:08 PM »
LG CX should be the best tv for gaming. That has 13ms input lag.

Seems the 2020 Samsung Qled are at around 10ms input lag.

Nice! Those are prob 1 class above what Ill be looking at. But still very promising, I remember a few years ago most of these 4k sets where in their 30s/50s apparently.

Like I have a series W8 Sony when W9 was the top.
My C8 was already about 18ms - 21ms. A lot of problems they had with OLED before (burn-in, input lag etc.) were fixed in time the B7/C7 came out and with the B8/C8 they finally got their motion processing sorted.
So moving on from the C8 they've mostly focused on improving the feature set and connectivity (HDMI 2.1) as opposed to making big changes to the panel itself.

Here you can see just how small the difference is:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c8-vs-lg-cx/600/10619?usage=11114&threshold=0.1
« Last Edit: November 16, 2020, 01:14:49 PM by Nintex »
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« Reply #1223 on: November 17, 2020, 01:02:53 AM »
Iím picking up a tcl series 6 2020 version.

The OLED was a little rich for my blood... considering Iím picking up some Sonos shit as well

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« Reply #1224 on: November 17, 2020, 12:18:00 PM »
Iím picking up a tcl series 6 2020 version.

The OLED was a little rich for my blood... considering Iím picking up some Sonos shit as well

I hope you are going for the Arc. I recently got rid of my vizio elevate (Dolby Atmos system) and replaced it with the Arc, best decision Iíve made all year.

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« Reply #1225 on: November 17, 2020, 02:27:34 PM »
Iím picking up a tcl series 6 2020 version.

The OLED was a little rich for my blood... considering Iím picking up some Sonos shit as well

I hope you are going for the Arc. I recently got rid of my vizio elevate (Dolby Atmos system) and replaced it with the Arc, best decision Iíve made all year.

I actually ended up going for the old play bar. My living room is super fucked proportion wise so I know the atmos wonít work well.

And I got it for a song, like cheaper than the beam. Planning to pick up the sub on Black Friday, and some of the ikea Sonos speakers for surrounds.... and maybe one or two of the lamps.

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« Reply #1226 on: November 18, 2020, 02:55:29 AM »
I have three Sonos speakers and I'll probably pick another two within a year. If you subscribe to Spotify/Apple Music or listen to podcasts then they are super convenient.

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« Reply #1227 on: November 18, 2020, 01:37:45 PM »
Yeah, they are a little pricey, but the idea of being able to get a speaker in every room is a good one

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« Reply #1228 on: November 18, 2020, 01:47:47 PM »
I really like my Sonos stuff;  mine are older but just the way the software all works is great.

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« Reply #1229 on: November 18, 2020, 01:52:32 PM »
More like Soros  :tinfoil
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« Reply #1230 on: November 18, 2020, 02:10:32 PM »
It took some tinkering but I managed to connect my Philips Hue with Google Home and Sonos.

So now I can say: "Hey Google, turn on the lights and play Linkin Park" like Batman  8)
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« Reply #1231 on: November 18, 2020, 03:11:10 PM »
Batman would never say that
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« Reply #1232 on: November 18, 2020, 04:34:38 PM »
Batman would never say that

Counter-point: Battinson totally would.
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« Reply #1233 on: November 19, 2020, 03:26:02 AM »
Got my Playbar today. Huge upgrade over my TV speakers.

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« Reply #1234 on: November 19, 2020, 10:31:02 AM »
I own exactly one Sonos speaker (the Ikea one) and its pretty damn good.

Can we change this thread to an official Sonos thread?

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« Reply #1235 on: November 19, 2020, 10:52:10 AM »
And give no one a spot to talk about their favourite Xbox exclusive games?

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« Reply #1236 on: November 19, 2020, 10:53:36 AM »
And give no one a spot to talk about their favourite Xbox exclusive games?

There's a Gamepass thread for that!

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« Reply #1237 on: November 19, 2020, 04:30:52 PM »
Digital Foundry did the big one.

Xbox Series X | S | PC ray tracing.



- RT Settings used on console are partly lower than the lowest setting the PC allows in the menu
- RTX 2060 (Super) beats Xbox Series X at a higher resolution and destoys it with DLSS on

that is actually p interesting considering the gpu they used is (in raw flops) nearly half as powerful as the series x chip. dem tensor cores and DLSS doing some heavy lifting. kinda savage they made the comparison. RDNA 2 getting shat on.
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« Reply #1238 on: November 19, 2020, 04:44:43 PM »
im sure the RT implementation will get better though, and even building a machine with a (relatively) cheap 2060 super is going to end up costing you twice what a series x costs, and eventually what the series x achieves graphically will outstrip the 2060 super at least. should really be more on par with a 2080 ti.
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« Reply #1239 on: November 19, 2020, 07:17:34 PM »
im sure the RT implementation will get better though, and even building a machine with a (relatively) cheap 2060 super is going to end up costing you twice what a series x costs, and eventually what the series x achieves graphically will outstrip the 2060 super at least. should really be more on par with a 2080 ti.
From what I've seen so far I'm really starting to doubt this, unless AMD figures out DLSS without the need for additional hardware but in the end Xbox Series X pretty much runs games at a certain 'PC setting'.
But I have a feeling Cerny is going to beat Microsoft in that race with DLSS and that's why Sony isn't using the RNDA 2.0 spec like Microsoft is but their own graphics API instead, they already had that checkerboarding thing pretty well implemented a few patents hinting at improvements of that :thinking

Where I think the Xbox Series X will pull ahead is VRAM. The 2070 Super, 3070 etc. are all stuck on 8GB of VRAM and that's not going to cut it for 4K down the line.
However, Xbox Series X doesn't hit native 4K in many new games yet either when ray tracing is involved so we'll have to see how that plays out.
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« Reply #1240 on: November 19, 2020, 08:08:14 PM »
you've seen the same as us and what we've seen is jack shit. we're barely out of the starting gate, give it time
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« Reply #1241 on: November 19, 2020, 08:10:49 PM »
that's why Sony isn't using the RNDA 2.0 spec like Microsoft is but their own graphics API instead
I thought you said Microsoft is using their own graphics API, DirectX.
More often then not Sony's own custom graphics API is better optimized than vanilla DirectX that Microsoft runs.
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« Reply #1242 on: November 28, 2020, 11:08:45 AM »
Finally got a Series X for store pick later this week at Best Buy. No shitty bundles, no insane resale. :rejoice

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« Reply #1243 on: November 28, 2020, 03:37:53 PM »
Same for me, hope BB didn't shit the bed and oversell.

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« Reply #1244 on: Today at 04:30:26 AM »
(Image removed from quote.)

Since my XSX was the most generous gift from the nicest person on the planet, I took the opportunity to buy last year's C9 OLED on sale. Setting it up was a nightmare, but OH MY FUCK.

(Note: I'm upgrading from a 15-year-old 42 inch LED)

42 inch LED not good enough for you anymore pretty boy? I bet you you've even started using motion-interpolation now too

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« Reply #1245 on: Today at 08:27:02 AM »


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(too bad it doesn't have a disc drive  :fbm)
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« Reply #1246 on: Today at 12:32:19 PM »
I'm an idiot about these things but would it be possible to add a drive to the Series S?

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« Reply #1247 on: Today at 01:30:04 PM »
Nope, not even an external.

edit: Somehow thought you were talking about a disc drive.  :neogaf
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« Reply #1248 on: Today at 02:53:11 PM »
You can add a USB hard drive and run any Xbox One/Xbox360/original xbox games off of it.

For new Xbox Series games, the external hard drive could also be used purely for storage but to run the Xbox Series games, you would have to copy the file to your internal SSD.

There's also that $200 1TB Seagate drive that you could use to increase the "internal" volume but it's a ripoff, the price will probably go down massively in a year when the Seagate exclusivity period runs out.

To answer your question, you can keep whatever games you're not playing everyday on a USB drive and then transfer them to the internal when you're ready to play them. It probably takes 10-20 minutes to transfer a game over.

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« Reply #1249 on: Today at 05:49:22 PM »
I was talking about a disc drive. Sorry you had to type all that  :lol