Corona Thread |OT| Please scream inside your heart

[Nintex]

German Paratrooper during WWII? 

Fallschirmjäger toughened up by the war in Russia it sounds like.

[Tripon]

Coronavirus patients who don't have any symptoms aren't driving  the spread of the virus, World Health Organization officials said Monday, casting doubt on concerns by some researchers that the virus could be difficult to contain due to asymptomatic infections.

Some people, particularly young and otherwise healthy individuals, who are infected by the coronavirus never develop symptoms or only develop mild symptoms. Others might not develop symptoms until days after they were actually infected.

Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated that the virus could spread from person-to-person contact, even if the carrier didn't have any symptoms. But WHO officials now say that while asympomatic spread can occur, it is not the main way it's being transmitted.

To be sure, asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread of the virus appears to still be happening, Van Kerkhove said, but it remains "rare." That finding has important implications for how to screen for the virus and limit its spread.

"What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases," Van Kerkhove said. "If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those contacts, we would drastically reduce" the outbreak.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

[Madrun Badrun]

Both Ontario and Quebec are starting to look better.  Toronto itself is not doing great, but it might be ok with regional opening.

Think we are in for a long road due to America being fucked though.

[Flannel Boy]

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1269968447753949185

Based on the above and using death totals without adding excess deaths, the IFRs are as follows (from lowest to highest):

Norway   0.96%
Austria   0.98%
Belgium   1%
Denmark   1%
Spain   1.01%
UK   1.17%
Switzerland   1.17%
Italy   1.22%
Germany   1.23%
Sweden   1.25%
France   1.31%

[Tuckers Law]

Coronavirus patients who don't have any symptoms aren't driving  the spread of the virus, World Health Organization officials said Monday, casting doubt on concerns by some researchers that the virus could be difficult to contain due to asymptomatic infections.

Some people, particularly young and otherwise healthy individuals, who are infected by the coronavirus never develop symptoms or only develop mild symptoms. Others might not develop symptoms until days after they were actually infected.

Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated that the virus could spread from person-to-person contact, even if the carrier didn't have any symptoms. But WHO officials now say that while asympomatic spread can occur, it is not the main way it's being transmitted.

To be sure, asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread of the virus appears to still be happening, Van Kerkhove said, but it remains "rare." That finding has important implications for how to screen for the virus and limit its spread.

"What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases," Van Kerkhove said. "If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those contacts, we would drastically reduce" the outbreak.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

I really hope this is the case.

[Bebpo]

Coronavirus patients who don't have any symptoms aren't driving  the spread of the virus, World Health Organization officials said Monday, casting doubt on concerns by some researchers that the virus could be difficult to contain due to asymptomatic infections.

Some people, particularly young and otherwise healthy individuals, who are infected by the coronavirus never develop symptoms or only develop mild symptoms. Others might not develop symptoms until days after they were actually infected.

Preliminary evidence from the earliest outbreaks indicated that the virus could spread from person-to-person contact, even if the carrier didn't have any symptoms. But WHO officials now say that while asympomatic spread can occur, it is not the main way it's being transmitted.

To be sure, asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread of the virus appears to still be happening, Van Kerkhove said, but it remains "rare." That finding has important implications for how to screen for the virus and limit its spread.

"What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases," Van Kerkhove said. "If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those contacts, we would drastically reduce" the outbreak.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

That doesn't make a lot of sense though. People are generally staying away from other people or staying home or wearing masks if they're sick and have symptoms. Yet the spread in contagion is absolutely huge. It just seems odd if it's not the asymptomatic people who think they are fine, or haven't developed symptoms that are spreading it in mass.

I wonder if they count symptomatic people who spread before symptoms develop as asymptomatic spread.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1270080157211152388

81 deaths this weekend. L.A. County is a long way to getting to zero and likely never will until a vaccine is distributed to everyone.

[Bebpo]

Yeah, So Cal is fucked. Not glad to be living here atm. Wish I could move along with my family to Canada.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/lapublichealth/status/1270095418559303680

[bluemax]

We never flattened the curve and Garcetti started reopening stuff because Ventura and Orange County were. Now we've got bars, schools, day camps and movie theaters opening up this Friday.

They're gonna try to blame it on protests which is a load of shit.

[shosta]

https://twitter.com/jneeley78/status/1270351991710113795

[Madrun Badrun]

I was listening to a podcast with the guy who coined the phrase social distancing.  He said that once you reopen there is almost no political will to shut down again.  America is fucked.

[Flannel Boy]

I was listening to a podcast with the guy who coined the phrase social distancing.  He said that once you reopen there is almost no political will to shut down again.  America is fucked.

The US, Latin America, south Asia, maybe Africa.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/jneeley78/status/1270351991710113795

Yeah, the WHO walked back its statement a day about asymptomatic cases.

[Flannel Boy]

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1270154322010128385
https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1270396576339496960

[BisMarckie]

Who knew that in the battle of Trump vs. the WHO both come out as losers. 

[shosta]

Maybe they did deserve to be defunded 

[BisMarckie]

I read some crackpot theories that the Director-general was a diversity hire and that’s the reason why they suck. 

[BisMarckie]

Love those moments where we all have to decide if something is conspiratorial or just flat out incompetence / stupidity

When it comes to public institutions , I always side on incompetence since I am working in one. 

Bureaucrats can’t pull off a conspirational tactic, even if they wanted. 

[Great Rumbler]

I was listening to a podcast with the guy who coined the phrase social distancing.  He said that once you reopen there is almost no political will to shut down again.  America is fucked.

Yeah, there's never been any question in my mind that a second shut-down is not gonna happen. We couldn't even get through one shut-down before people started to freak out and invade State Capitals with assault rifles. And there's too many local and state politicians that aren't willing to go through all this again, to say nothing of Trump and the Republicans in the federal government.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/ItsMutai/status/1270363912857411586

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/lapublichealth/status/1270430610239168512

[Stro]

I have half of those year round

[Great Rumbler]

I have half of those year round

[team filler]

abuela went into hospital with pneumonia, two days later lab results are negative for the covid 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/1270445713818890246

https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1270449014367010816

 

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/thetipsyrobot/status/1270424913325654016

 

[Nintex]

aawww yeah Deus Ex is almost real 

[CatsCatsCats]

Robo bartender won’t catch on until it can be this:

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/TheCoronaMemes/status/1270469868450709509

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/thetipsyrobot/status/1270424913325654016

 

AOC getting out of her bartending career at just the right time.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/megan_otoole/status/1270443584026808323

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1270485844936265731
https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1270455405324402688

[shosta]

https://twitter.com/AkiServal/status/1270031603243376642

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-COVID-19-hospitalizations-up-36-since-15327664.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

[team filler]

https://time.com/5827679/puerto-rico-stimulus-checks-mayor-coronavirus/

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1270523774777954304
https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1270524370260160512

[ToxicAdam]

MT. GILEAD, Ohio — A new report from the Ohio Immigrant Alliance claims the Morrow County Correctional Facility failed to follow its own Infectious Disease Control Program as well as the National Detention Standards required in its contract with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) amid the novel coronavirus pandemic, leading to the facility becoming the first county jail in Ohio and the first ICE detention center in the U.S. to be 100% COVID-positive.

“None of the inmates and detainees at Morrow County have been seen by a doctor in the facility, despite their COVID diagnoses. Nursing staff are not present at the jail overnight or on the weekends, and even when they are there, they often decline to provide health care, including Tylenol. Jail staff have repeatedly refused to call an ambulance for detainees in serious distress. What’s more, there are no interpreters available to translate detainee medical conversations, calling into question how jail staff are even making such life-or-death decisions in the first place,” the report states.

[team filler]

https://atlantablackstar.com/2016/12/25/hundreds-ethiopian-israelis-refuse-fight-army-citing-institutional-racism/


 

[shosta]

I guess Gal Gadot must regret supporting BLM

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/elvissako/status/1270392589578129409

 

[Don Rumata]

https://twitter.com/elvissako/status/1270392589578129409

 

https://twitter.com/bloodclaw312/status/1270511097645334531

"Please, stick to killing foreigners..." 

[Akala]

 

https://twitter.com/govkristinoem/status/1270403282838552576

[Stro]

Are you from a state with a high amount of COVID cases?

Are you sick of liberal mayors and governors telling you what you can and can't do (and also from COVID)?

Bring the virus to South Dakota! Come, join us!

[thisismyusername]

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/h04e71/o_blood_type_slashes_your_coronavirus_risk_by_25/

Non-reddit link: https://www.liveplanetnews.com/o-blood-type-slashes-your-coronavirus-risk-by-25-percent-according-to-recently-published-research/

[Ghoul]

Las Vegas putting a Corona tax on food and drink prices... GOD DAMN!

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/for-profit-nursing-homes-83-percent-of-covid-deaths-eastern-ontario-1.5604880

The risk of dying from COVID-19 has been significantly higher for residents of for-profit long-term care homes in eastern Ontario than for those in non-profit and municipally run facilities, a CBC analysis of provincial data has found.

Since the coronavirus outbreaks first struck dozens of long-term care homes across the region this spring, the vast majority of deaths — 82.5 per cent — have occurred in for-profit facilities.

That's despite the fact that there are about the same number of beds in each sector — 5,669 beds are operated by for-profit companies in this part of Ontario, while there are 5,733 beds in non-profit and municipal facilities. There have been roughly the same number of outbreaks at for-profit and non-profit facilities.

[Stro]

New daily cases and deaths are now back up to what they were at the start/early phase of the lockdown, meaning we shutdown for 3 months for nothing because we couldn't stick to it and now it's like we didn't do it at all


Worldwide, new daily cases are higher than ever, even at the peak of Italy/US melting down. But LET'S REOPEN THE WORLD! 

[Madrun Badrun]

Yep, you guys got a few weeks before deaths start back to 2k+ daily.  At this point, I'm just angry that you guys are going to fuck us over since Canada finally has a handle on it.

[Flannel Boy]

Yep, you guys got a few weeks before deaths start back to 2k+ daily.  At this point, I'm just angry that you guys are going to fuck us over since Canada finally has a handle on it.

I think it's more likely that the US will just stay around ~900 deaths per day for months and months (not counting excess deaths). Even as things re-open, a large enough percentage of the population will WFH, wear masks, refuse to travel, practice social distancing. The R0 will be ~1 until the fall.

[Stro]

Imagine 900+ people a day dying from a specific thing and the country and leadership just being like "fuck it, it's over right"

[Akala]

 I like how a lot of people are now pivoting to 'well we all have to die sometime."

[Flannel Boy]

Imagine 900+ people a day dying from a specific thing and the country and leadership just being like "fuck it, it's over right"

All states have re-opened or are re-opening. It's mostly too late too show any federal leadership.

I like how a lot of people are now pivoting to 'well we all have to die sometime."

The comment, for the most part, is hollow unless it's coming from a 70+ year-old.

[ToxicAdam]

We have to learn to live with it. There was never a path where we were going to New Zealand this outbreak. Especially now seeing how it's escalating in Mexico, Central America and Brazil.  It was always about stemming that first wave but not completely tanking the economy.

[Akala]

The comment, for the most part, is hollow unless it's coming from a 70+ year-old.

agree but there are some olds picking it up. I am just hoping to avoid being an outlier in the great american bug chase of summer 2020.

[Stro]

We have to learn to live with it. There was never a path where we were going to New Zealand this outbreak. Especially now seeing how it's escalating in Mexico, Central America and Brazil.  It was always about stemming that first wave but not completely tanking the economy.

I'm not sure "fuck it we'll just ignore it as soon as possible" is really the best way to go about learning to live with it, though. Even before the protests started and distracted all the attention from the media entirely, the administration has basically just given up pretending to worry about it, were talking about disbanding the taskforce, the briefings ceased, etc. By the time we hit 100k deaths, every state was reopening in some form, the case numbers were going back up, the areas most aggressive in their reopening have exploded in daily cases, and now the country has seen thousands and thousands of people packed together in the streets for 2 weeks, businesses are dropping safety precautions, and so on. Despite being back at or worse than we were before the lockdown went into effect.

[Madrun Badrun]

We have to learn to live with it. There was never a path where we were going to New Zealand this outbreak. Especially now seeing how it's escalating in Mexico, Central America and Brazil.  It was always about stemming that first wave but not completely tanking the economy.

While I agree with the idea that we were never going to get to a containment phase and that we'd need to learn to live with it, most US states opened up way too soon for even a mitigation phase.   And it's just going to get worse by year's end.  Quarantine was really the only shot at an exponential decrease, and a month longer would have made a large difference.  Now you guys have to plateau at 1k deaths instead of 200 deaths a day (and risk a second wave with 2k deaths a day, which I think is more likely.)  Like you guys had a chance to save hundreds of lives per day and just said fuck it. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Also, excessive US deaths are going to be seen as fake news.   

[ToxicAdam]

But that's how this thing is going to play out. We're going to keep making mistakes, learn from it and then adjust according to that.  There is no "one size fits all" plan that makes sense for a country of people. It has hit us all differently and in varying degrees of severity. Some states might have to re-close certain businesses and demand masks for everyone, others won't.

So, the "big picture numbers" are always going to look bad because as these "hot spots" keep shifting around the country you're going to have the steady drip of new cases/deaths. You're already seeing that now as places like Texas and Arizona are the hot spots and places in the Midwest/East coast are in decline.

[Madrun Badrun]

We won't see states wanting to re-close until it hits NY levels of bad and by that time you have that, it's months of 1K+ deaths just coming from a single state.