Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-woman-lets-white-woman-in-wheelchair-through-white-woman-tries-to-stab-her-with-knife-then-gets-fire-extinguisher-in-the-face.214677/

Hey mods, you might wanna lock this one up before too much ass is shown in cheering on attacking a disabled woman trying to stop looters from stealing shit.

Just saying.

[ShutUp]

Source? They can get that back through donations easily.

lol

It’s only 15k man. Surely people already hurting for money can all chip in, no sweat. 

[porkbun]

A small local restaurant owned by minorities was robbed of $15,000. That was keeping them afloat. I live in the city too. I don't want it to burn down. Do you live here?

And it gets this response

Source? They can get that back through donations easily.

Yes, people in the midst of this pandemic, very possibly unemployed, will just donate whatever money they do have to help. Era is so clueless

Especially along east Lake Street, which has long been one of the poorer areas of the city -- the bits of gentrification that have been popping up the last few years haven't really done anything to change that (it should be pointed out that a lot of the new developments are specifically for low-cost housing).  A lot of the non-chain businesses (many that are run by minorities/immigrants) along there were already on life support due to COVID quarantine.  And even if they didn't get smashed up, they will lose even more business because white people from the more affluent areas are going to be staying away from Lake Street for quite a while (Lake Street was getting a reputation as a "foodie" area of the city, due to the rise in authentic ethnic restaurants).  To just say "oh insurance will cover that, or they can do a GoFundMe" shows how incredibly stupid and self-centered they are.

[cosmicblizzard]

Requirements for positive change to happen via violence:

1. A more powerful foreign entity (or multiple entities) getting involved.
2. The people that actually want change having more physical power (so weapons basically) than the state.

So yeah, neither really apply because America.  The mechanisms that allowed the Civil Rights Movement to succeed were visibility more than anything, a lot of which can be attributed to the nonviolent resistance and likely would not have had it been all anarchism all the time.  A lot of the violent resistance was straight up useless.  Hell, people just kind of shrugged their shoulders after the Watts riots and blamed communism despite the 34 deaths and $40 million in property damage, which in the long term amounted to increased racial tensions even decades later and a nifty thing to reference in music.

We also live in a VERY different era compared to the 60s, which is to say nothing of the fact we're in the middle of the biggest story of most of a lifetime since WWII, which is going to take away any visibility from more social causes assuming things don't escalate to an unreasonable degree.

That Era doesn't understand this is just sad.

[ShutUp]

If you want to complain about rioting and loss of property, it's best left to another thread. Just look at the staff post.

The entire thread is about what started as a protest and turned into rioting and looting. But let’s attempt to silence discussion yet again.

[ShutUp]

Nothing important in history ever happened because the oppressed filed a nicely worded complaint to the authorities.

When you feel you have nothing to lose, when the state has long since abandoned you, this is the result.

And the rioting in Minneapolis barely got talk on news talk this morning. A collective shrug of the shoulders. So how did that work out for you, privileged fuck?

[shosta]

I like that thing Slavoj Zizek says about how rioting is best understood through capitalist ideology - the market and the market relationship is what's sacred, so when you want to reject the order and lash out, you defile the marketplace.

...did anyone else see his shitty movie, or

[shosta]

they should have burned down the fucking police stations and the murderer's house, not random small businesses and Target

[stufte]

Riot ends, nothing changes except for a tiny increase in material goods redistributed to the "protesters" . Rinse, repeat.

Maybe target government buildings next time you dumb fucks.

[Don Rumata]

Man NeoGAF was briefly an Xbot playground after the Restera exodus but it's full insane Sony Pony land now..


Tons of comments like this:

This is just shameful.

In response to:

https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1265991319832293376

Which is just Microsoft saying their BC works without downclocking while it's assumed the majority of PS5 BC will need to downclock to PS4 levels.  You can tell hardly any of them actually clicked the link or thought more than 2 seconds about the tweet as they are all assuming it's about the variable clock rates.

You'd think MS insulted their mothers or something lol

Can Phil Spencer be impeached for this Tweet? He should drop out of the race, tbh.

[porkbun]

so what you're saying is they should have burned down the banks.

Ah well, next riot.

They did put a bomb on an ATM on a bank on Lake Street - one which specifically gives low interest loans to minority owned small businesses.

[shosta]

Riot ends, nothing changes except for a tiny increase in material goods redistributed to the "protesters" . Rinse, repeat.

Maybe target government buildings next time you dumb fucks.

That's not true, when a riot ends the police get a huge budget increase for new armored vehicles, more riot equipment, and retaliatory crackdowns. The businesses that are destroyed don't recover for years, other businesses leave, jobs are lost, and school or pension budgets are cut to repair damage.

[BIONIC]

Riot ends, nothing changes except for a tiny increase in material goods redistributed to the "protesters" . Rinse, repeat.

Maybe target government buildings next time you dumb fucks.

That's not true, when a riot ends the police get a huge budget increase for new armored vehicles, more riot equipment, and retaliatory crackdowns. The businesses that are destroyed don't recover for years, other businesses leave, jobs are lost, and school or pension budgets are cut to repair damage.

Okay?

All of that can be covered by donations 

[stufte]

and INSURANCE!

[ShutUp]

The insurance companies will either pay for it all or they are all racists who condone police brutality. Era has spoken.

[Propagandhim]

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I like that thing Slavoj Zizek says about how rioting is best understood through capitalist ideology - the market and the market relationship is what's sacred, so when you want to reject the order and lash out, you defile the marketplace.

...did anyone else see his shitty movie, or

yes, and I was living in london at the time (the example he was using).
It really was just pikey chav cunts on the rob though (and I know some of them who were at it that weekend personally).
It's an interesting intelletual exercise to frame it and recontextualise it as being the only means of expression of a stifled proletariat, but... I mean, only if you consider most low level crime to be that, which I don't. Less Robin Hood, and more robbing hoods, and mostly white dudes despite the catalyst nominally being an unlawful shooting of a black man.

[Philip Cardgage]

So.. has anyone come up with a solution other than "lets burn the city down, wait till another 100 or so innocent black people die by police and then do it again"?

[Uncle]

they should have burned down the fucking police stations and the murderer's house, not random small businesses and Target

yeah honestly that's what I can't wrap my head around

don't shit where you eat!

to use the worst fucking analogy, the kind of people looting their own neighborhood are the kind of people who throw controllers when they lose, and now you've just got a hole in the wall to fix and a broken controller, and you still lost

how about this, you destroy the local police station and then you drive south to Rochester and destroy that town, then drive home again to your comfy un-burned homes and local businesses
 

[eleuin]

they should have burned down the fucking police stations and the murderer's house, not random small businesses and Target

Easy way to get killed

[BisMarckie]

Where can I enlist for the Bore militia to protect YUM! Brands restaurants?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

So.. has anyone come up with a solution other than "lets burn the city down, wait till another 100 or so innocent black people die by police and then do it again"?

the system is what it is due to multiple variables; expecting real change to a system without changing multiple variables simultaneously isn't going to work, which is why its slow and it requires more people wanting to fix things than not working together to get it done.

[Uncle]

 

you would've been fucking livid if the police HAD been trying to de-escalate the situation

not one person on era would've said "good on these cops for getting the rioting under control and dispersing the protesters"

[Philip Cardgage]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/minneapolis-protests-over-murder-of-george-floyd-police-response-more-severe-than-when-white-supremacists-stormed-capitol-see-threadmarks-to-help.213759/post-35258217

Dunno how the KKK feels about having Asian members, but ok?

[Superstar]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-woman-lets-white-woman-in-wheelchair-through-white-woman-tries-to-stab-her-with-knife-then-gets-fire-extinguisher-in-the-face.214677/

I feel like I'm completely missing something in the op videos where every reply is celebrating this

[stufte]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-woman-lets-white-woman-in-wheelchair-through-white-woman-tries-to-stab-her-with-knife-then-gets-fire-extinguisher-in-the-face.214677/

I feel like I'm completely missing something in the op videos where every reply is celebrating this

I was waiting for this to surface on REE. I'm pretty sure that the knife didn't come out until they started stealing from her wheelchair and fucking her shit up for blocking them.

[Philip Cardgage]

I gotta say, the constant posts of cops saying "HEY GUYS NOT ALL COPS ARE RACIST! WHAT HAPPENED IS TERRIBLE!" are pretty fucking annoying.

[stufte]

Here's more "context" which happens to be missing from that thread.

Notice how NOT stabby and violent she is, just puttting herself in the way of the looters:

http://www.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1265881810245808128

Then she is assaulted:

http://www.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1265883038409322497

Still no video or pictures of her stabbing anyone.

 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I know, it's Andy Gnome. But that's the only place I could find the other videos.

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[cosmicblizzard]

So.. has anyone come up with a solution other than "lets burn the city down, wait till another 100 or so innocent black people die by police and then do it again"?

In the context of America, incremental progress is pretty much the only thing that can work.  Every other solution that people put forth requires the non-affected to suddenly get affected, but to be affected in a way that they can't weaponize back onto the groups the system fucks over.  You basically need an "enemy of my enemy" situation, which Trump has actually worked as a good example of, but not to the scale necessary for radical change because he also split the country in half ideologically.

Of course that's sort of an accelerationist mindset as well, which is going to fuck over marginalized groups even more than incremental progress.  This is why those who truly want a "burn it down" solution should be voting Trump in November.  Of course they'd be making a huge gamble on whether it works or not because it's just as likely they just end up with a generations-long regression as far as rights go rather than the Mad Max world they want.

[Philip Cardgage]

So.. has anyone come up with a solution other than "lets burn the city down, wait till another 100 or so innocent black people die by police and then do it again"?

In the context of America, incremental progress is pretty much the only thing that can work.  Every other solution that people put forth requires the non-affected to suddenly get affected, but to be affected in a way that they can't weaponize back onto the groups the system fucks over.  You basically need an "enemy of my enemy" situation, which Trump has actually worked as a good example of, but not to the scale necessary for radical change because he also split the country in half ideologically.

Of course that's sort of an accelerationist mindset as well, which is going to fuck over marginalized groups even more than incremental progress.  This is why those who truly want a "burn it down" solution should be voting Trump in November.  Of course they'd be making a huge gamble on whether it works or not because it's just as likely they just end up with a generations-long regression as far as rights go rather than the Mad Max world they want.

Well yeah. I mean just the fact that they share the same mentality of the people who voted Trump should be an alarm call.

The problem is, 6 months from now, George Floyd will be a distant memory because new consoles will be out, new movies, some other bullshit that twitter gets excited about. And the effort that it takes to affect any real change will be put towards doxing some old white lady.

People have written papers on how to fix these issues, but no one cares enough to actually put them in place. Citizens need to elect people who will push that change. And if they don't, get them out and put someone else in.

[thisismyusername]

So.. has anyone come up with a solution other than "lets burn the city down, wait till another 100 or so innocent black people die by police and then do it again"?

In the context of America, incremental progress is pretty much the only thing that can work.  Every other solution that people put forth requires the non-affected to suddenly get affected, but to be affected in a way that they can't weaponize back onto the groups the system fucks over.  You basically need an "enemy of my enemy" situation, which Trump has actually worked as a good example of, but not to the scale necessary for radical change because he also split the country in half ideologically.

...How did that work out for Flint which rioted (IIRC) along with other cities that have rioted?

[shosta]

i would die for this wal-mart

[Joe Molotov]

So.. has anyone come up with a solution other than "lets burn the city down, wait till another 100 or so innocent black people die by police and then do it again"?

In the context of America, incremental progress is pretty much the only thing that can work.  Every other solution that people put forth requires the non-affected to suddenly get affected, but to be affected in a way that they can't weaponize back onto the groups the system fucks over.  You basically need an "enemy of my enemy" situation, which Trump has actually worked as a good example of, but not to the scale necessary for radical change because he also split the country in half ideologically.

...How did that work out for Flint which rioted (IIRC) along with other cities that have rioted?

Didn't NYC invent hiphop after the '77 blackout riots?

[thisismyusername]

Yeah, but that was forty years ago, son. At this point, that might as well be the dinosaurs.

[stufte]

Yah she was fucking stupid to try and save the Target or whatever, but the idea that she ran (wheeled, lol) up on them stabbing black folks is bullshit. She got in their way, they fucked her up, she produced a knife and they sprayed her down.

[cosmicblizzard]

So.. has anyone come up with a solution other than "lets burn the city down, wait till another 100 or so innocent black people die by police and then do it again"?

In the context of America, incremental progress is pretty much the only thing that can work.  Every other solution that people put forth requires the non-affected to suddenly get affected, but to be affected in a way that they can't weaponize back onto the groups the system fucks over.  You basically need an "enemy of my enemy" situation, which Trump has actually worked as a good example of, but not to the scale necessary for radical change because he also split the country in half ideologically.

...How did that work out for Flint which rioted (IIRC) along with other cities that have rioted?

You think something like Flint would work today?  In a hyper-fast world where people's attention spans have regressed to the point of a 5 year old with ADHD while media bombards us with other stuff?  Where the news cycle is dominated by a pandemic with a return to normal being at least 2 years away?  Where right wing grifters have gotten better than ever at painting a narrative and then doing everything they can to signal boost it? 

You'll get a bunch of lip service, a pretty alright policy change or two that isn't even close to enough, and that's generally it.

[ShutUp]

Some on Twitter trying to say the woman is actually 30 years old? I know some people age terribly, especially those not great physically, but there is no way that woman is only 30 even being disabled.

[Ghoul]

future gofundme "My cousin was injured shopping at target please help us raise funds so they can get surgery"

[ileflottante]

Some on Twitter trying to say the woman is actually 30 years old? I know some people age terribly, especially those not great physically, but there is no way that woman is only 30 even being disabled.

She might be, the scooter and the colour of her hair throws everything off. You expect an old person but everything is a potato cam so it could be that she is 30.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Some on Twitter trying to say the woman is actually 30 years old? I know some people age terribly, especially those not great physically, but there is no way that woman is only 30 even being disabled.

It doesn't actually matter what someones real age is when they're a stranger - its their perceived age that matters.
Same with the downplaying twitter detectives finding footage of her standing up and walking for a bit outside her wheelchair before returning to it.

Again, it's a stranger, ostensibly old and wheelchair bound. That's what people saw when they decided to lay into her.
Nobody there had age detection or disability gauging super powers.

[Ghoul]

Weird hill to die on a fucking Target

[ShutUp]

Some on Twitter trying to say the woman is actually 30 years old? I know some people age terribly, especially those not great physically, but there is no way that woman is only 30 even being disabled.

It doesn't actually matter what someones real age is when they're a stranger - its their perceived age that matters.
Same with the downplaying twitter detectives finding footage of her standing up and walking for a bit outside her wheelchair before returning to it.

Again, it's a stranger, ostensibly old and wheelchair bound. That's what people saw when they decided to lay into her.
Nobody there had age detection or disability gauging super powers.

Oh I agree completely. Just had that reaction to her supposedly being that young, doesn't look like it.

[thisismyusername]

So.. has anyone come up with a solution other than "lets burn the city down, wait till another 100 or so innocent black people die by police and then do it again"?

In the context of America, incremental progress is pretty much the only thing that can work.  Every other solution that people put forth requires the non-affected to suddenly get affected, but to be affected in a way that they can't weaponize back onto the groups the system fucks over.  You basically need an "enemy of my enemy" situation, which Trump has actually worked as a good example of, but not to the scale necessary for radical change because he also split the country in half ideologically.

...How did that work out for Flint which rioted (IIRC) along with other cities that have rioted?

You think something like Flint would work today?  In a hyper-fast world where people's attention spans have regressed to the point of a 5 year old with ADHD while media bombards us with other stuff?  Where the news cycle is dominated by a pandemic with a return to normal being at least 2 years away?  Where right wing grifters have gotten better than ever at painting a narrative and then doing everything they can to signal boost it? 

You'll get a bunch of lip service, a pretty alright policy change or two that isn't even close to enough, and that's generally it.

...That's my point, pedo-Blizzard: Nothing will fundamentally change™ (™ Joe Bidet: 2020, a regression for America™). These riots just piss off the citizens and land-owners/businesses that are affected, while the rioters get free-shit or arrested.

Murdered person stays dead. Murderer cop gets off scott-free.

Sunrise, sunset. Time is a flat circle. Whatever corny message you want here for this.

[VomKriege]

Joe Bidet: 2020, a regression for America™

A stagnation for America lesser evil.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dear-ign-what-the-hell-you-doing-twitter-account-likes-insane-post-by-donald-trump.214797/

[Ghoul]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dear-ign-what-the-hell-you-doing-twitter-account-likes-insane-post-by-donald-trump.214797/

I love that they vet what companies and individuals like it's a lot of fun.

[stufte]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dear-ign-what-the-hell-you-doing-twitter-account-likes-insane-post-by-donald-trump.214797/

I've accidentally liked posts while scrolling through my timeline on my phone. It's not that deep.

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dear-ign-what-the-hell-you-doing-twitter-account-likes-insane-post-by-donald-trump.214797/

I've accidentally liked posts while scrolling through my timeline on my phone. It's not that deep.

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST ASSUME MISTAKES WITH NO MALICE NOOOO
 

[Mr Gilhaney]

i remember the day my boss suddenly followed me on twitter. if my tweets werent bad enough, i at least hope she never saw my likes. 

[Ghoul]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dear-ign-what-the-hell-you-doing-twitter-account-likes-insane-post-by-donald-trump.214797/

I unfollowed them ages ago after the spoiled Batwoman finale spoilers

Fucking lol

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dear-ign-what-the-hell-you-doing-twitter-account-likes-insane-post-by-donald-trump.214797/

I unfollowed them ages ago after the spoiled Batwoman finale spoilers

Fucking lol

IGN or Donald Trump?

[Snoopycat_]

How long will it be before Ree's street fighting hard men go from "Fuck the pigs, Burn it all down" to "Oh Man, the cops really need to do something. People are getting hurt out there."

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dear-ign-what-the-hell-you-doing-twitter-account-likes-insane-post-by-donald-trump.214797/

I unfollowed them ages ago after the spoiled Batwoman finale spoilers

Fucking lol

FACTCHECK:

I unfollowed them ages ago after the spoiled Batwoman finale spoilers

 

[Nintex]

How long will it be before Ree's street fighting hard men go from "Fuck the pigs, Burn it all down" to "Oh Man, the cops really need to do something. People are getting hurt out there."

when the Nintendo Store is caught in the crossfire

[Superstar]

How long will it be before Ree's street fighting hard men go from "Fuck the pigs, Burn it all down" to "Oh Man, the cops really need to do something. People are getting hurt out there."

Already happened with some of them

[Joe Molotov]

How long will it be before Ree's street fighting hard men go from "Fuck the pigs, Burn it all down" to "Oh Man, the cops really need to do something. People are getting hurt out there."

Already happened with some of them

No True Reeeees.

[railGUN]

So a white guy burned down the Auto Zone and all of a sudden it's a problem? 

I got people on my Facebook doxxing that guy hammering the windows and claiming he's a St. Paul police officer. I haven't seen hard proof, but there's some evidence people are linking.

Isn't that what they were asking for? For the police to abandon their posts and join in on the chaos?

[Uncle]

https://twitter.com/GypsyEyedBeauty/status/1266164431584714753

May not be concrete evidence, but everyone knows SOMETHING'S fucky with the Autozone guy. This could be what happened.

If true I hope this is blasted everywhere. I think it's scandal worthy but in todays America you really don't know.

Still, gonna want more evidence before buying this. There is an unbelievable amount of bullshit out there.

traditionally a ban-worthy sentiment

[Joe Molotov]

Rioting is okay, so what's the problem?

[Propagandhim]

 "We got ahold of his ex-wife, and here's screenshots of the messenger app as proof!"



https://twitter.com/funcrusherminus/status/1266172999029321735