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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40140 on: March 02, 2021, 02:54:28 PM »
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“It’s a weird time….Unless she did some truly horrible shit or said overtly racist shit,” Burr said about Carano. “I don’t know. I think there is just too many channels. And then you gotta do sensational shit…I don’t know what the fuck it is. I’m on that fucking show. Now, I gotta watch what the fuck I say.”
Quote from: Bill Burr
“She was an absolute sweetheart. Super nice fucking person,” Burr later said of the actress. “And you know whatever and somehow someone will take this video and they’ll make me say something else and try to get rid of my bald action figure…It’s how it is out there. It’s fucking crazy times. People just waiting, laying in the weeds.”

Watch Era prove him wrong!
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Oh even better, this got promoted to its own topic
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/

 :lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40141 on: March 02, 2021, 03:10:53 PM »
I want to personally thank the people who pushed for this in a well meaning way.

However as a TransWoman I do absolutely fear that this is used as a shield (not by the people who pushed for It) by leads.

If the game gives you a way to share the information that you are Trans with those close to you, and depending on how people react to it then I’ll believe it was well intended.

If there is nothing deeper than having a high pitched voice and the Witch designation on the “Masculine” body type and it never allows you to speak of it in the world, then it’s not inclusive at least to me.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40142 on: March 02, 2021, 03:18:44 PM »
I want to personally thank the people who pushed for this in a well meaning way.

However as a TransWoman I do absolutely fear that this is used as a shield (not by the people who pushed for It) by leads.

If the game gives you a way to share the information that you are Trans with those close to you, and depending on how people react to it then I’ll believe it was well intended.

If there is nothing deeper than having a high pitched voice and the Witch designation on the “Masculine” body type and it never allows you to speak of it in the world, then it’s not inclusive at least to me.

That’s funny, considering I recall her being one of the splergs freaking out over voice pitch in Cyberpunk. Now voice pitch doesn’t matter.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40143 on: March 02, 2021, 03:24:48 PM »
Quote from: Bill Burr
“It’s a weird time….Unless she did some truly horrible shit or said overtly racist shit,” Burr said about Carano. “I don’t know. I think there is just too many channels. And then you gotta do sensational shit…I don’t know what the fuck it is. I’m on that fucking show. Now, I gotta watch what the fuck I say.”
Quote from: Bill Burr
“She was an absolute sweetheart. Super nice fucking person,” Burr later said of the actress. “And you know whatever and somehow someone will take this video and they’ll make me say something else and try to get rid of my bald action figure…It’s how it is out there. It’s fucking crazy times. People just waiting, laying in the weeds.”

Watch Era prove him wrong!
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Oh even better, this got promoted to its own topic
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/

 :lol

I like the editorialized title. lol
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40144 on: March 02, 2021, 03:31:03 PM »
This definitely seems like an attempt to smooth things over for the sake of sales. They're probably seeing very low preorder trends.

But you can't even pre order the game yet?  :huh

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40145 on: March 02, 2021, 03:34:54 PM »

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40146 on: March 02, 2021, 03:36:42 PM »
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It really gets on my nerves to see people in this thread play down the baggage attached to the term gamer. As usual on Era, those with the luxury to not have to deal with something because of their privilege, are very resistant to acknowledging that privilege in the first place.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40147 on: March 02, 2021, 03:37:39 PM »
Quote from: Bill Burr
“It’s a weird time….Unless she did some truly horrible shit or said overtly racist shit,” Burr said about Carano. “I don’t know. I think there is just too many channels. And then you gotta do sensational shit…I don’t know what the fuck it is. I’m on that fucking show. Now, I gotta watch what the fuck I say.”
Quote from: Bill Burr
“She was an absolute sweetheart. Super nice fucking person,” Burr later said of the actress. “And you know whatever and somehow someone will take this video and they’ll make me say something else and try to get rid of my bald action figure…It’s how it is out there. It’s fucking crazy times. People just waiting, laying in the weeds.”

Watch Era prove him wrong!
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:teehee
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Oh even better, this got promoted to its own topic
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/

 :lol

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"Now, I gotta watch what the fuck I say.” Is just so telling. What are you afraid of saying?

Well apparently he should be scared of expressing empathy for his co star.

Edit: Holy shit at how RE  loves to escalate things:

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"Now I have to watch what I say."

This is peak white people shit, I swear.
It's that, "Don't WE own the world, and can do whatever we want in it?" mentality.

Jim Crow lives on in their minds.

"I can't say the F word or N word? Wow, what group of people will I need to show a modicum of respect to NOW.... SHEESH..."

From "gotta watch what I say" to leader of the ku klux klan in three steps
« Last Edit: March 02, 2021, 03:44:39 PM by HaughtyFrank »

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40148 on: March 02, 2021, 03:39:00 PM »
This definitely seems like an attempt to smooth things over for the sake of sales. They're probably seeing very low preorder trends.

But you can't even pre order the game yet?  :huh

0 preorders, JK TERFLING annihilated!
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40149 on: March 02, 2021, 03:58:37 PM »
I love how they seem to think being able to play as a trans character in the game is a feature they just added a few days ago and not something that was planned to be in the game from the beginning.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40150 on: March 02, 2021, 04:11:24 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/epic-games-is-acquiring-tonic-games-group-parent-company-of-mediatonic-fall-guys-dev.387353/page-7

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EA hate was based on mostly valid stuff. Half the Epic stuff is bullshit, half-remembered reddit accusations and sinophobia.
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Can we stop with this stupid logic that people that don't like Tencent are sinophobic/xenophobic? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Disliking a massive corporation doesn't mean you hate the people of the country that corporation originates from.
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Indeed. It always weirds me out when people do this, especially given Tencent's involvement in China's horrific treatment of Uyghurs.
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Yup, it's a weird strawman

Benji, you know what to do  :juche
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40151 on: March 02, 2021, 04:14:51 PM »
I love how they seem to think being able to play as a trans character in the game is a feature they just added a few days ago and not something that was planned to be in the game from the beginning.

yea, but AS A RESPONSE TO THE CRITICISM BEING RAISED ABOUT INCLUSION

.......
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40152 on: March 02, 2021, 04:27:10 PM »
Edit: Holy shit at how RE  loves to escalate things:

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"Now I have to watch what I say."

This is peak white people shit, I swear.
It's that, "Don't WE own the world, and can do whatever we want in it?" mentality.

Jim Crow lives on in their minds.

"I can't say the F word or N word? Wow, what group of people will I need to show a modicum of respect to NOW.... SHEESH..."

From "gotta watch what I say" to leader of the ku klux klan in three steps
...do they know who Bill Burr is?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40153 on: March 02, 2021, 04:32:55 PM »
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Don't let this PR move blind you from the facts.
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Like this is great, but the lead designer seems like such a piece of shit that he wouldn't have allowed it in the game unless forced.
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"look at the news about our game. we need some positive buzz, not *gestures wildly* THIS"
"oh ok how about we give them what they want? We can still hate it behind locked doors?"
"yeah ok sounds good"
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she probably got them to add separate but equal bathrooms for the trans characters,
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lmao this is transparent as fuck come on guys
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This is like the most meaningless inclusion that you do to try and get people off your backs.

It doesn’t stop people from being transphobic and being a shitlord. It also doesn’t stop transphobic groups from using this as an example of overreach.

Ironically I’d prefer them to either go full on trans inclusion or not even bother with this. This is just muddying the waters in so many ways. It’s not true inclusion, as it’s such a small part of the game that only people really looking for it will notice, the guy still likely got his job even with WB knowing his shitlordness and JK Rowling is still making mad bank from this to still be transphobic and fund transphobic things.

It’s still overwhelmingly net negative at best and more negative at worse as it gives even more ammo to transphobic individuals and groups.
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This kind of shit is why I'm sceptical of the value of representation in fiction. Especially when it comes from others.
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This is nothing but a vaguely nice gesture. How about doing something that'd actually help people?

let's check the era forgiveness playbook™

  • "they're doing a bad thing, so fuck them"
  • "yeah they stopped doing wrong but they didn't even apologize for it, so fuck them"
  • "yeah they apologized but it was the most weak ass apology that sounded more like sorry we got caught, so fuck them"
  • "yeah they gave a nice heartfelt apology but it was so by-the-book you know they were coached, so fuck them"
  • "yeah they established a charitable org dedicated to righting their past wrongs but you think I'm gullible enough to give them money now? fuck them"
  • "yeah it's been 10 years since they stopped doing anything wrong, but we need to make an example and drive home the point that this is unacceptable and stomp them into the pavement, fuck them"
  • "wait this was created by the son of the guy who did all that bad stuff 20 years ago? you just know he raised his son with those same shitty ideals, so fuck them"


  • "this guy is brazenly doing things I don't like and isn't even bothering to apologize for them? what the fuck, why aren't they apologizing?"

yeah I think I'll classify actively allowing people to play as a trans character as a proactive charitable addition to the game
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40154 on: March 02, 2021, 04:34:44 PM »
Meanwhile no trans options added to the mass effect remaster  :teehee

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40155 on: March 02, 2021, 04:56:52 PM »
Edit: Holy shit at how RE  loves to escalate things:

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"Now I have to watch what I say."

This is peak white people shit, I swear.
It's that, "Don't WE own the world, and can do whatever we want in it?" mentality.

Jim Crow lives on in their minds.

"I can't say the F word or N word? Wow, what group of people will I need to show a modicum of respect to NOW.... SHEESH..."

From "gotta watch what I say" to leader of the ku klux klan in three steps
...do they know who Bill Burr is?
Was he in a Marvel movie?
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40156 on: March 02, 2021, 05:05:39 PM »
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Don't let this PR move blind you from the facts.
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Like this is great, but the lead designer seems like such a piece of shit that he wouldn't have allowed it in the game unless forced.
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"look at the news about our game. we need some positive buzz, not *gestures wildly* THIS"
"oh ok how about we give them what they want? We can still hate it behind locked doors?"
"yeah ok sounds good"
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she probably got them to add separate but equal bathrooms for the trans characters,
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lmao this is transparent as fuck come on guys
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This is like the most meaningless inclusion that you do to try and get people off your backs.

It doesn’t stop people from being transphobic and being a shitlord. It also doesn’t stop transphobic groups from using this as an example of overreach.

Ironically I’d prefer them to either go full on trans inclusion or not even bother with this. This is just muddying the waters in so many ways. It’s not true inclusion, as it’s such a small part of the game that only people really looking for it will notice, the guy still likely got his job even with WB knowing his shitlordness and JK Rowling is still making mad bank from this to still be transphobic and fund transphobic things.

It’s still overwhelmingly net negative at best and more negative at worse as it gives even more ammo to transphobic individuals and groups.
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This kind of shit is why I'm sceptical of the value of representation in fiction. Especially when it comes from others.
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This is nothing but a vaguely nice gesture. How about doing something that'd actually help people?
This is a prime example of why cancel culture needs to be addressed.

Dude does some edgy shit a decade ago in reaction to some dumb shit argument among Gamers™ and then gets his life together and makes a success of himself.

10 years later, and against all evidence to the contrary, people dredge up said edgy shit and then start running with their own version of events, putting words into his mouth and making some pretty shitty accusations without any fucking knowledge of his character or his personality. Throw in some guilt by association with JK Rowling and you've got the outrage mob all riled up on half truths and statements taken out of context. All the while he has no chance to defend himself and it would only make it worse if he tried.

Others, in search of internet clout, run with it and get all hyperbolic about his actual crimes and the next thing you know, the dude needs to be fired from his job and killed in the digital realm.

Meanwhile, the owner and current manager of Reeeeesetera have got some skeletons in their own closet, but they're on the "right side" and are "allies" so they get a free pass.

Fuck you if you support cancel culture.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40157 on: March 02, 2021, 05:14:17 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/labyrinth-of-galleria-is-one-of-2020s-best-games-but-you-probably-wont-be-playing-it-until-2022.346453/

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If you've been following Famitsu sales over the last few weeks, you probably know that Labyrinth of Galleria - the currently Japan-only sequel to 2016's (2018 in the west) Labyrinth of Refrain has been more than a bit of a bomb. It barely charted on PS4 it's FW, before falling off entirely. The Vita version, which actually got a physical release at the tail-end of 2020, didn't even chart.

I'll be blunt - It's probably the most fascinating game I've played all year, and I might end up calling it my GOTY.

Labyrinth of Refrain was already a very strong DRPG, and one of my favorite games I played in 2018. It had a very strong story, especially for a DRPG, with a sort of nuance that I honestly never had expected out of NIS. To say why that is the case is sadly to spoil the whole surprise of it all, but I'm sure folks that have played Refrain understand what I mean when I say that Galleria had some massive shoes to fill, in that regard.

As far as gameplay goes, while Refrain wasn't exactly the deepest DRPG when it came to exploration, it did offer a variety of unique features to the genre, and overall felt like a more than solid first attempt at one by a developer that had never made a DRPG before. The reinforcement system, and the way that you could use RF points to accomplish matters such as shielding your presence from enemies, breaking down certain walls, and more meant that what was on offer still felt very engaging to explore these dungeons. Refrain in particular did what I would say was an especially admirable job making each dungeon feel unique, and the 6 bosses that you needed to kill in order to unlock the game's true ending postgame were all a joy to discover and fight.

The Coven system is definitely the most unique aspect of the game as a whole - instead of slotting units into your party directly, you would slot pacts into each of the 5 party slots - pacts would have their own attributes, a maximum supported number of attacking and supporting units (up to 8), with their own equipped skills, party member requirements, and more. It was a very deep system, and it meant that you could have up to 40 party members at any given time - each party member themselves requiring you to select their stance, growth rate, and more.

At the end of the day it was a fantastic DRPG that brought a lot to the table. Like many other DRPGs I'd say most non-boss encounters became cakewalks over time, but that's by no means a rare issue for the genre, and the variety of mini-bosses scattered across each dungeon more than made up for matters, in my opinion.

...in almost every way, Galleria is a massive step up from Refrain, building upon the vast majority of its ideas, and adding its own.

First off - the story. While it might sound weird to say this after praising Refrain's story so much earlier, it was definitely an abrasive experience, to put it mildly. The relationship between Dronya and Luca wasn't exactly great for most of the story, and while I'd say the game does ultimately stick the landing here, it takes a while for players to really grow any attachment to them. Additionally, you, the Player Character - the Tractatus de Monstrum - hardly factors into the plot, to the point you'd be forgiven for forgetting that the little book is even technically a character for most of it.

Galleria's dynamic between Eureka and Madame Malta is immediately more palpable, and while there are still abrasive moments here and there, I'd argue that the game still handles these scenes with more delicacy versus some similar scenes in Refrain. The player character - the Wandering Soul - now plays a much more active role in the story. There's a deliberate connection between you and Eureka, and the form you take is an adorable little one-eyed green blob, versus the unassuming book in the first game. Madame Malta teases Eureka, but unlike Dronya she's never truly nasty to her - and the relationship that they share for most of the game is actually pretty cute. Malta is an old coot, and more of the kind-yet-crotchety old witch archetype than the downright evil one that Dronya more closely represents.

Gameplay also has seen quite a few upgrades. First and foremost is the addition of the Liberation system - every Pact now has a built-in super skill that can be activated once a bar is completely filled. It could be an AOE attack that hits every enemy on the field, dealing huge Stun damage, it could be a counter-type move that works similar to Bide in Pokemon, or it could be a more traditional buff or debuff. There's a much larger variety of Facets this time around, too, including some adorable feline companions to add to your party!

As for dungeon-crawling, players now gain access to a variety of new moves. You can now dive underwater to explore while taking care to worry about your oxygen supply. You can shine a magical light or a dark light to reveal hidden items or clear illusions respectively. Some areas that can be revealed with the magical light allow you to jump long gaps, while others allow you to hop over walls of spikes. In addition to everything else, there are now cursed sections of the map where you must either leave them or find a quiet location to quite literally regain your sanity or else you'll take an increasing amount of damage as you continue to explore.

Although each dungeon felt more like it had it's own story and theme in Refrain - the name of the game in Galleria is much more about exploration. Each floor feels more open-ended, and you'll be looping up and down floors to progress forward more in the beginnings hours of Galleria than most of Refrain. It does sort of feel like NIS designed these dungeons with players already familiar with Refrain in mind, which might be a bit of a problem for newcomers, but at the end of the day they're a blast to explore - and there's even a bunch of optional magical curious for you to discover, 1 on each floor in addition to the main objective of the game - discovering the peculiar magical artifacts.

There's much more I'd like to talk about regarding both the story and the gameplay, but it revolves around spoilers that I think most folks should discover for themselves - here's some more information if you're ok being spoiled about story events 30+ hours into the game:


SPOILER: NO SERIOUSLY, THIS IS COOL, BUT YOU SHOULD SEE IT FOR YOURSELF!

It's a bold decision, that strikes me as something akin to what Yoko Taro loves to do with his games and their narratives. I'm not finished with the game yet, and from all I have gathered from other impressions it's likely going to take me over 80 hours to see the end of the basegame, and over 100 to see the true ending - but everything I've played so far is a bold direction for the sequel to take. Clearly, both expanding upon the original game's ideas while not forcing themselves to be constrained to what Refrain was, or was trying to be.

Everything about this game feels like a paradox. The release platforms and release year, the ambition within the confines of the genre and story, and everything else. There are certain parts of the game that are a little disappointing so far - enemy variety isn't quite as good as Refrain had to offer, for one, and the increased emphasis on the story outside of the dungeons means that most of the dungeons lack the same narrative thread that the locales in Refrain offered - but it's still an incredibly bold title, and makes me very curious to see how folks will react to it whenever it makes it over to the west.

...Unfortunately, owing to both the size of the script and the unfortunate choice of release platforms, we likely won't see this game over in the west until early 2022 at the earliest. While I've been happy to play this on my Vita, clearly it wasn't the best choice of platform for the game in 2020, and it's more than a bit ironic that I'm playing the sequel to I game I had originally played on the Switch on the Vita.

I know it's going to be a while before most folks that enjoyed Refrain, or anyone really, will get to play this - but considering the sheer lack of import impressions, I felt like I had to say something about the game, so folks at least keep it on their radar for when it eventually gets localized. Above all else, Galleria is the type of experiment that deserves support. I love it when pre-established devs go outside of their comfort zone and tackle a project with all the ambition that they could muster. Playing Galleria you can tell how much love the team put into the project, how much they cared about both the game that they were creating, as well as the story that they're trying to tell. It'd be a shame if it ends up bombing here, too.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40158 on: March 02, 2021, 05:41:28 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/hogwarts-legacy-lead-designer-is-troy-leavitt-a-game-developer-who-used-to-make-anti-feminist-and-pro-gamer-gate-videos-see-staff-post-added.381606/post-59891477

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What scares me is if ERA would be a government than it probably wouldn’t be any better than any alt-right guys.
Don't even know what to say.

Damn, they are still upset the person who posted this yesterday didn't get banned.

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« Reply #40159 on: March 02, 2021, 05:44:45 PM »
A day later and that person hasn't been perma'd? Damn. Maybe even some of the mods secretly agree with that take.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40160 on: March 02, 2021, 05:51:53 PM »
Edit: Holy shit at how RE  loves to escalate things:

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"Now I have to watch what I say."

This is peak white people shit, I swear.
It's that, "Don't WE own the world, and can do whatever we want in it?" mentality.

Jim Crow lives on in their minds.

"I can't say the F word or N word? Wow, what group of people will I need to show a modicum of respect to NOW.... SHEESH..."

From "gotta watch what I say" to leader of the ku klux klan in three steps
...do they know who Bill Burr is?
Was he in a Marvel movie?

Close enough, he was in the mandolorian exclusively on Disney+


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« Reply #40162 on: March 02, 2021, 06:01:03 PM »
https://kotaku.com/trans-inclusion-means-more-than-just-adding-potential-g-1846388481
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The possible customization options are similar to those used by Cyberpunk 2077, which linked player characters’ pronouns to their voice while allowing for a range of body options. It’s an approach that makes sense for the limitations of video game character creators, but it’s also a retrograde one. A “mismatch” between someone’s voice and their appearance has long been played for transphobic laughs against trans women in movies and television, relying on a tired, offensive stereotype of a feminine-appearing woman with a deep voice as a way to convey transness.

Games’ recent explorations into expanding gender identities seem to rely on contrasts as a model for transness before funneling trans characters back into a binary view of gender in the game’s world. In this instance, the game sorts players back into binary gendered dorms. These design choices can make transness meaningless and leave out non-binary players. They feel like a nod to the existence of trans people, without fully exploring what it means for a character to actually be trans (something having an actual trans character, as Bloomberg reports the Hogwarts Legacy team pushing for, could address).

Speaking as a trans man, my voice and body “match” due to hormones, making gender options like this functionally useless in creating a trans male character. (In this regard, Cyberpunk was able to bring in another layer by adding genitals into the mix, something I would certainly not expect a video game about teenagers to do.) I don’t think of my gender as a bunch of pick-and-choose options—my body is a trans body. My voice is a trans voice. A video game character creator could make space for me by just letting me click a box that says “trans guy” from a range of gender options. That’s not necessarily the answer—a scrolling list of genders would be unwieldy and inherently limiting, for starters—but these options continue to remind me of all the ways many video games haven’t yet figured out how to fully imagine trans people. I don’t personally need them to, and I’m in no way a Harry Potter fan eager to play this game. But I can’t help sigh a bit, even as I admire these steps forward.


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« Reply #40164 on: March 02, 2021, 06:11:26 PM »
Right and if they publicly do so, it will just be "an attempt at good PR, it means nothing"

And   :lol at the fun looking fantasy wizard game suddenly stopping mid game, turning towards the camera and delivering a monologue JCVD style about her harmful views. What fucking warped reality do these idiots live in?


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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40165 on: March 02, 2021, 06:17:28 PM »
https://kotaku.com/trans-inclusion-means-more-than-just-adding-potential-g-1846388481
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The possible customization options are similar to those used by Cyberpunk 2077, which linked player characters’ pronouns to their voice while allowing for a range of body options. It’s an approach that makes sense for the limitations of video game character creators, but it’s also a retrograde one. A “mismatch” between someone’s voice and their appearance has long been played for transphobic laughs against trans women in movies and television, relying on a tired, offensive stereotype of a feminine-appearing woman with a deep voice as a way to convey transness.

Games’ recent explorations into expanding gender identities seem to rely on contrasts as a model for transness before funneling trans characters back into a binary view of gender in the game’s world. In this instance, the game sorts players back into binary gendered dorms. These design choices can make transness meaningless and leave out non-binary players. They feel like a nod to the existence of trans people, without fully exploring what it means for a character to actually be trans (something having an actual trans character, as Bloomberg reports the Hogwarts Legacy team pushing for, could address).

Speaking as a trans man, my voice and body “match” due to hormones, making gender options like this functionally useless in creating a trans male character. (In this regard, Cyberpunk was able to bring in another layer by adding genitals into the mix, something I would certainly not expect a video game about teenagers to do.) I don’t think of my gender as a bunch of pick-and-choose options—my body is a trans body. My voice is a trans voice. A video game character creator could make space for me by just letting me click a box that says “trans guy” from a range of gender options. That’s not necessarily the answer—a scrolling list of genders would be unwieldy and inherently limiting, for starters—but these options continue to remind me of all the ways many video games haven’t yet figured out how to fully imagine trans people. I don’t personally need them to, and I’m in no way a Harry Potter fan eager to play this game. But I can’t help sigh a bit, even as I admire these steps forward.

BUT YOU ASKED FOR THIS  :lol

And doesn't transness inherently subscribe to a binary gender construct? If there's nothing binary there would be nothing to transition to

SmokyDave

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40166 on: March 02, 2021, 06:19:00 PM »
I feel bad for the AFAB wizard dude just trying to slide into the boy’s dorm without a fuss.

benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40167 on: March 02, 2021, 06:21:18 PM »
BUT YOU ASKED FOR THIS  :lol

And doesn't transness inherently subscribe to a binary gender construct? If there's nothing binary there would be nothing to transition to
FACT CHECK:
https://twitter.com/OhMiaGod/status/1366797446878265349

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40168 on: March 02, 2021, 06:22:05 PM »
Maybe these always online assholes could actually talk to J K rowling and find out what her views actually are for a change, instead of screaming at her to fucking die on the basis of what her views are assumed to be?

Nah, that won't happen.

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HaughtyFrank

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40170 on: March 02, 2021, 06:26:44 PM »
BUT YOU ASKED FOR THIS  :lol

And doesn't transness inherently subscribe to a binary gender construct? If there's nothing binary there would be nothing to transition to
FACT CHECK:

So have they already moved on from "trans women are women" because damn if that isn't all about the binary.

Nintex

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40171 on: March 02, 2021, 06:27:38 PM »
You can never do it right.
Just ignore the reeing until they find another target and cater to your fans. :trumps
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40172 on: March 02, 2021, 06:29:30 PM »
All this rage. Game still gonna break records in sales. Basically Cyberpunk 2.0 but making even more money than that game has. A lot more money.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40173 on: March 02, 2021, 06:37:08 PM »
https://kotaku.com/trans-inclusion-means-more-than-just-adding-potential-g-1846388481
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The possible customization options are similar to those used by Cyberpunk 2077, which linked player characters’ pronouns to their voice while allowing for a range of body options. It’s an approach that makes sense for the limitations of video game character creators, but it’s also a retrograde one. A “mismatch” between someone’s voice and their appearance has long been played for transphobic laughs against trans women in movies and television, relying on a tired, offensive stereotype of a feminine-appearing woman with a deep voice as a way to convey transness.

Games’ recent explorations into expanding gender identities seem to rely on contrasts as a model for transness before funneling trans characters back into a binary view of gender in the game’s world. In this instance, the game sorts players back into binary gendered dorms. These design choices can make transness meaningless and leave out non-binary players. They feel like a nod to the existence of trans people, without fully exploring what it means for a character to actually be trans (something having an actual trans character, as Bloomberg reports the Hogwarts Legacy team pushing for, could address).

Speaking as a trans man, my voice and body “match” due to hormones, making gender options like this functionally useless in creating a trans male character. (In this regard, Cyberpunk was able to bring in another layer by adding genitals into the mix, something I would certainly not expect a video game about teenagers to do.) I don’t think of my gender as a bunch of pick-and-choose options—my body is a trans body. My voice is a trans voice. A video game character creator could make space for me by just letting me click a box that says “trans guy” from a range of gender options. That’s not necessarily the answer—a scrolling list of genders would be unwieldy and inherently limiting, for starters—but these options continue to remind me of all the ways many video games haven’t yet figured out how to fully imagine trans people. I don’t personally need them to, and I’m in no way a Harry Potter fan eager to play this game. But I can’t help sigh a bit, even as I admire these steps forward.

BUT YOU ASKED FOR THIS  :lol

And doesn't transness inherently subscribe to a binary gender construct? If there's nothing binary there would be nothing to transition to
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Nintex

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40174 on: March 02, 2021, 06:41:59 PM »
I like how Schreier and his shitty Kotaku friends try to make ResetEra relevant but they aren't.
Most of them aren't even remotely interested in buying video games except for their very narrow tastes.

Because they can't afford video games they are looking for dumb excuses to not buy them so they can hide the fact that they are poor.
NeoGAF used to have these ballers spending $10000 a month on video games, anime figurines and arcade cabinets. ResetEra has like 3 people left with a gaming setup.

Pathetic :snob
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40175 on: March 02, 2021, 07:02:51 PM »
The attempt by WB employees to include trans characters in the game seems to have only made the mob angrier  :lol
You gotta feel for the WB employees watching this reaction after pushing to include trans characters in the game. Their hand got bit by the very people they wanted to show support to.

At this point, the better play is to ignore the mob and finish the game. They are, at this point, too invested in demonizing the game and anyone attached to it. You virtue signaling to them that you are a "good ally" only :rage them further


benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40177 on: March 02, 2021, 07:14:41 PM »
Oh even better, this got promoted to its own topic
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/

 :lol
From the bottom of page four:
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So it’s 21m32s in the Bill and Bert podcast from last week for context. I suggest people listen, they only tell Bill one thing she said on Twitter. I wish he would’ve educated himself but my god news articles on this are very disingenuous saying this is him coming out in support of her lmao. He barely even says anything in relation to her and doesn’t even know about it.
Yeah I read the article and knew it was bullshit since I listened to the podcast. They bring up that she is no longer on the show, Bert asks what did she Tweet, Derosa paraphrases her, and Bill says on the set "she was an absolute sweetheart."

That's it! That's all he says about her!

That's where he knows her from, and he doesn't keep up with the news. Overblown story as he expected it would be.

Actual timestamp:


benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40179 on: March 02, 2021, 07:20:08 PM »
Quote from: Kyuuji
Burr has been shit so this is completely unsurprising to anyone paying attention.
There's a reason many here lumped him in with Gervais and Chappelle.

benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40180 on: March 02, 2021, 07:30:00 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/page-5#post-59906318
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The woke mob on this site are toxic as fuuuuck. Can’t even be bothered to watch a clip in context.

Bill Burr is a human piece of shit because he has a questionable take once in awhile? He’s a racist because he thinks Gina comparing the Jewish struggle to the “Republican struggle” is merely a stupid and terrible comparison? Is this really what we are doing now?

I assure you Bill has done more charity work than any miserable hyper woke fuck on this site.
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I learned a while back that a whole lot of people can't seem to be bothered to fact check or look into things themselves here. So much negativity thrown around and people seemingly can't wait to pounce on others and attack them.
it's happening again, mods help

Potato

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40181 on: March 02, 2021, 07:35:53 PM »
https://twitter.com/racheline_m/status/1366785471578308612
IDEOLOGICAL PURITY AT ALL COSTS!!! KILL THE UNBELIEVERS! NO REPENTANCE ACCEPTED!! ALLOW NO UNORTHODOX THOUGHT OR OPINION!!!
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benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40182 on: March 02, 2021, 07:41:07 PM »
Broadly speaking, this site is no longer a reliable source of actual progressives; it's mostly just woke white libs ripping hair from scalp over every infringement and sin they can find, continually proving right-wingers right about cancel culture while in the same breath claiming it doesn't exist.
oof

Nintex

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40183 on: March 02, 2021, 07:46:09 PM »
Have they not learned anything? We know who the mods are going to side with

 :mynicca
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Potato

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40184 on: March 02, 2021, 07:52:22 PM »
The attempt by WB employees to include trans characters in the game seems to have only made the mob angrier  :lol
You gotta feel for the WB employees watching this reaction after pushing to include trans characters in the game. Their hand got bit by the very people they wanted to show support to.

At this point, the better play is to ignore the mob and finish the game. They are, at this point, too invested in demonizing the game and anyone attached to it. You virtue signaling to them that you are a "good ally" only :rage them further
At this stage, the best solution when you are targeted for cancellation is to ignore it and don't engage. Things will only get worse. If you ignore it, you will get dumped on for a couple weeks and then the ADHD fuck ups will move on to another target. Either that, or lean into the controversy and end up in a better position due to the coverage.
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Nintex

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40185 on: March 02, 2021, 07:55:12 PM »
You just gotta bunker down and hold out, eventually they'll get tired :trumps

If I was WB I would drop a trailer
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Potato

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40186 on: March 02, 2021, 08:03:01 PM »
Textbook case study on how to deal with cancel culture

http://www.digitaltrainingacademy.com/casestudies/2015/04/beach_body_wars_controversial_posters_spark_social_media_backlash.php

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A London poster ad featuring a bikini-clad model next to the words "Are you beach body ready?" has sparked a social media backlash. But it also made Protein World, the company behind the campaign, around £1m in sales within just four days. This case study looks at the one of the most controversial ads on the year and asks whether there really is no such thing as bad publicity…

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Despite the negative reaction, Protein World remain unapologetic- and even took to social media to argue against the protesters. The ad was also discussed on Twitter and blogging platform Tumblr, which has a strong reputation for tackling social issues.

Richard Staveley, head of marketing at Protein World, said 84% of his customers were female and many said they wanted to see "aspirational" images to help them lose weight.

"We've got a customer base of 300,000 and we did meticulous research and spoke to a large cross-section of our female customers who said this is exactly what they wanted to see," he said.
CEO and head of marketing took over the Twitter account for the week after the controversy started.

More discussion here https://blogs.brighton.ac.uk/jjb23/2017/02/28/protein-world-a-lesson-in-social-media-damage-control/








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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40187 on: March 02, 2021, 08:11:37 PM »
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Feels like a few people on this page should probably log off and think about not logging back in again.

Is that a threat?


benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40190 on: March 02, 2021, 08:57:07 PM »
Honestly at this point it's probably for the best the epic games store and. Steam become seperate platforms. Because man these threads are just unproductive toxic wastelands.
what

D3RANG3D

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40191 on: March 02, 2021, 09:07:33 PM »
 :titus

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40192 on: March 02, 2021, 09:24:42 PM »
If that stuff is true that’s not good, but I just don’t get ERAs behavior of regularly putting someone in the pillory. Look I’m by no means alt-right nor a trump supporter or Pro Gamergate/Anti SJW or whatever, but what I don’t get is that so many people from the industry here get crucified, banned or boycotted etc pp without even being asked about it?! I mean ok for obvious cases like the whole Ubisoft disaster I’ll get it.
What scares me is if ERA would be a government than it probably wouldn’t be any better than any alt-right guys. There is no court, no benefit of the doubt, no possibility for those people to explain or defend or getting a chance to right their wrongs.

Instead of actually talking to those accused people, asking them about the stuff and see how they respond or give them a chance to defend and explain themselves, maybe even to apologize there is at least one thread a week where someone gets pointed out, accused and crucified with lots of era users saying they won’t buy game x/y.

There are lots of hard working people behind those games and all you can do is accuse one of them and then boycott the whole game without even asking the accused person about it or give the rest of the team the benefit of the doubt nor respect. I mean WTF?! That’s like in the dark ages when someone shouted WITCH(ER) and everyone burns or lapidates the person without even asking. That’s just sick! And that is something I can’t stand that much longer on this board tbh.
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Thank you for posting this… i feel exactly the same.
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Yeah this place can really be toxic like that and I hope this sort of behavior weeds itself out. Surely it has to.
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People who want to fight oppression should join a socialist organization. They'll find very quickly that this online culture doesn't build power in real life.
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Feel exactly the same way
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Yep. And this is one of the more absurd examples I’ve seen of it.
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You summed up my feelings of recent months on Era, it's like peoples are guilty until proven otherwise.
MODS HELP

I'm shocked he hasn't been banned (yet). That's way too much truth

Mods are still reviewing the large amount of reports that are being generated, after which we'll send them to the Resetera mods.

User Banned (1 Week): Metacommentary, whataboutism, dismissive commentary

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-the-ps5-version-of-oddworld-soulstorm-is-one-of-your-playstation-plus-games-for-april.385076/post-59778302

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40193 on: March 02, 2021, 09:34:39 PM »
Told ya. Morrigan special. 1-2 days later. After the thread has died. Where no one can see. Over a comment that didn't disrupt the forum in any particular way. Just to punish someone for making them feel bad about the state of their site.

Love resetera.com founded on ~ TRANSPARENCY ~
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40194 on: March 02, 2021, 09:38:36 PM »
Lol of course they banned him when no one is looking.

Potato

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40195 on: March 02, 2021, 09:40:05 PM »
Told ya. Morrigan special. 1-2 days later. After the thread has died. Where no one can see. Over a comment that didn't disrupt the forum in anyway particular way. Just to punish someone for making them feel bad about the state of their site.

Love resetera.com founded on ~ TRANSPARENCY ~
...and anyone that mentions it will be permed for questioning the mods. Fucking pathetic.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40196 on: March 02, 2021, 09:41:53 PM »
Mod fragility in action. He hurt their feefees and now he must suffer.

benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40197 on: March 02, 2021, 09:48:03 PM »
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User Banned (1 Week): Metacommentary, whataboutism, dismissive commentary

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/page-5#post-59906318
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The woke mob on this site are toxic as fuuuuck. Can’t even be bothered to watch a clip in context.

Bill Burr is a human piece of shit because he has a questionable take once in awhile? He’s a racist because he thinks Gina comparing the Jewish struggle to the “Republican struggle” is merely a stupid and terrible comparison? Is this really what we are doing now?

I assure you Bill has done more charity work than any miserable hyper woke fuck on this site.

it's happening again, mods help
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User Banned (Permanent): Trolling and antagonizing other users over a series of posts. History of severe warnings
thank you mods :jeb

Snoopycat_

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40198 on: March 02, 2021, 10:13:29 PM »
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My wife has decided that if she's buying the game, she will buy it used and we'll donate however much we spent on the game to a local charity that provides food, shelter, and clothing for young trans people who have been kicked out of their homes.

I love watching these sanctimonious twats finding different loopholes and excuses to justify their video game purchases.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hogwarts-legacy-senior-producer-troy-leavitt-a-game-developer-who-used-to-make-anti-feminist-and-pro-gamer-gate-videos-see-staff-post-added.381606/page-26

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #40199 on: March 02, 2021, 10:17:32 PM »
Sure they will. They are still going to fucking buy the game. When you are boycotting something, you don't purchase whatever it is AT ALL.

Era slacktivism never fails though.