Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[ShutUp]

LMAO. lmaoooo

Yea, OP, pretty bad wording right there!

Should be a ban for finding something funny in a sensitive topic going by their logic but of course there won't be. Don't want the most protected community on the site to demand another summit.

[Ghoul]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-cant-see-life-ever-improving-me-for-so-i-am-deciding-to-end-it-tonight.172204/page-4#post-29438171

I'm doing much better this morning. Thank you for the kind words, everyone.

Fucking kill yourself attention seeking cunt.

Jesus dude.. chill out.

I'm sorry but fuck that guy, if they truly wanted to fucking do it, they'd had got the gun on credit and done the deed without multiple threads pleading for help etc.

Now magically after people gave them a uwu cutie stowy they're now doing much better. Attention seeking at the highest.

[nachobro]

if that "black" thread was actually made as a setup, the best move would be to just post and ask the mods to close it and you're going to kill yourself because even resetti can't be nice to you for a second, then just never use the account again.

[BisMarckie]

Let's try this again. As stated before, hijacking this thread to complain about the strictness of moderation or cancel culture will not be tolerated. More broadly, this is a very serious discussion that warrants sensitivity, empathy and a responsible approach. You have no compulsion to post if you don't care about the subject. The team will be reading the thread and discussing suggestions that come up, as well as responding to constructive feedback. We want the forum culture and community to improve, just as much as you all. But insensitive, dismissive and inflammatory posts will be subject to moderation.

This seems like a good moment to clarify the steps we take for 'cry for help' threads, as well as the Mental Health community as a whole. When we are alerted to a member making a post or thread that suggests depressive or suicidal thoughts, we try to give them an alert/notice with resources that they can use in their country. Whether that's telephone helplines, or websites. This is accompanied with a supportive message. This message can only be disabled on our end, until we're sure the user is safe or feeling better. We also have a staff member reach out via PM, and give them further resources such as the Mental Health OT, and an invite to the Mental Health discord. In extreme cases where we believe a member is in danger, we take further steps as we are able to.

We have had two meetings with the Mental Health community, and also have two staff members involved in running the MH Discord. As a result of those meetings, the MH OT has been moved to the main Etcetera section for visibility. The thread would not be stickied without involvement and discussion with that community. What we are currently discussing as a result of the feedback in this thread, however, is a pinned thread with resources (including the MH OT). This is a topic that we take very seriously, and have expended a lot of effort on. This is a personal and important subject for us as well. We appreciate the constructive feedback that has been given so far, and promise to take it into consideration.

The thread will be opened momentarily.

VIDEO GAME FORUM

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-cant-see-life-ever-improving-me-for-so-i-am-deciding-to-end-it-tonight.172204/page-4#post-29438171

I'm doing much better this morning. Thank you for the kind words, everyone.

Fucking kill yourself attention seeking cunt.

Black Gallows humor?

[nachobro]

"we'll listen and think about every suggestion except the ones that aren't positive about us. those suggestions will get you a ban."

[ShutUp]

"You have no compulsion to post if you don't care about the subject"

Excel: challenge accepted

[HaughtyFrank]

I'm going to take a guess here and assume that people who engage in cancel culture are less happy than those whose revel in sweet ignorance. So REs constant engagement with it should be worth considering when talking about the mental health of the community 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I'm going to take a guess here and assume that people who engage in cancel culture are less happy than those whose revel in sweet ignorance. So REs constant engagement with it should be worth considering when talking about the mental health of the community 

I'm also going to go out on a limb and suggest that the people who are so eternally fucking miserable that they have their own fucking ongoing community thread should not also be the people giving advice to others on mental wellbeing.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

We have had two meetings with the Mental Health community, and also have two staff members involved in running the MH Discord. As a result of those meetings, the MH OT has been moved to the main Etcetera section for visibility. The thread would not be stickied without involvement and discussion with that community.

So you want to be a psychiatrist? Let's have a look at your references:

Managed and oversaw dozens of patients and was principally in charge of an on going online conference. Two + summits on record with many more planned.. Please contact The Woods - via email support@resetera.com.

[Propagandhim]

We have had two meetings with the Mental Health community, and also have two staff members involved in running the MH Discord. As a result of those meetings, the MH OT has been moved to the main Etcetera section for visibility. The thread would not be stickied without involvement and discussion with that community.

So you want to be a psychiatrist? Let's have a look at your references:

Managed and oversaw dozens of patients and was principally in charge of an on going online conference. Two + summits on record with many more planned.. Please contact The Woods - via email support@resetera.com.

Post your credentials so I can sweep you. Being an MIT MBA grad doesn't mean much in my circles. Homie that's not even an HSW (google it). You want to bring up how certain credentials makes others invalid of critiquing how other may be misinformed, as if an MBA from MIT specializes in international social media norms. Let's hop in a group message with some mod and post some info. I can possible refer you to my employer after you get this work.

You want to take an ignorant classist view on this topic, then let's stick with it.

[Joe Molotov]

I'm going to take a guess here and assume that people who engage in cancel culture are less happy than those whose revel in sweet ignorance. So REs constant engagement with it should be worth considering when talking about the mental health of the community 

FUCK OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[Ghoul]

Having a summit because so many members want to kill themselves?  KetKat is to blame for it all.

[Stro]

"I'm really suicidal, I'm on the verge of killing myself. This is a plea for help, someone help me please."

"Your language is very insensitive, rephrase you racist fuck. God what a garbage person you are."

[shosta]

[nachobro]

Yes, we've spoken to people with experience in the field and continue to seek their advice and consultation.

Why are y'all so bad at communicating anything?

What, exactly, have these people you've spoken with advised you to do?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-mental-health-of-this-community-read-staff-post-before-posting.172243/post-29443932

Yes, we've spoken to people with experience in the field and continue to seek their advice and consultation.

And what do they think of letting people who are potentially suicidal have exposure to an unvetted field of posters who have the ability to say literally anything and have that person in crisis read it?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-mental-health-of-this-community-read-staff-post-before-posting.172243/post-29444011

[shosta]

If you declare yourself mentally ill or suicidal all posts directed to you should have to be pre-approved by staff so that you're not exposed to anything unvetted from this forum that has banned ten thousand of its own posters already

[Joe Molotov]

Kinda wild how multiple suicide threads a day are allowed to run for pages and pages, but joke threads are locked on spot for "not likely to generate productive discussion" and users banned.

[Ghoul]

I see a red door and I have to paint it blue
I cannot paint it black because of history month

[Cauliflower Of Love]

We stated this in the staff post, but we would not be able to do this without consulting the community themselves.

all this properness is so fucking hilarious to me.

[ShutUp]

There's a huge amount of negativity and aggressiveness in Etcetera, so much that I no longer feel very compelled to visit it.

Time for some long looks in the mirror at how the forum operates? Probably not. They’ll end up banned along with those agreeing with this post for commentary about the community.

[HaughtyFrank]

Locked before it got going but I like the implication that there's a good faith version of this

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xboxs-roots-in-xenophobia-and-its-continuing-impact.172284/

I also feel like that there is this large overlap between the directionless young white men who get swept up in Trumpism and white nationalism and the most hardcore Xbox fanboys. The rhetoric of power, superiority, masculinity, unapologetic smugness is prevalent throughout all of it.

[Nuitangg]

its honestly why i never bought an xbox, i don't want to have any part in this stuff

 

[blame space]

does anyone else only read posts if moblin likes them?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Do resetera staff want to actually help people with mental well being issues, or do they want to create another clique of posters who have shadow ban powers over other users?

If its the former, jfc, don't ask the fucking miserable cunts OT what they want to do. You might as well ask dating era to write up the guidelines for a successful long term relationship.

If it's the latter, congrat-u-fucking-lations, you now have another faction in your distinguished mentally-challenged game of thrones.

[Ghoul]

There are less account suicide threads than actual suicide threads

Cool forum B dubs

[railGUN]

Guy says something that hurts the mods feelings and puts the forum on blast = ban

A bunch of people quote and agree = no ban

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

ERA is not a suicide hotline.

Asking for support from the place that is assisting in driving depression, anxiety, hopelessness is not a solution to those issues.

ERA, is not remotely equipped to handle these things. The responsible thing to do is to direct people to crisis hotlines and have people who are at lease reasonable trained to handle these situations... handle them.

The margin of error for something going wrong with just letting random internet people talk to a person who is suicidal is fucking wide enough that it makes me furious such an option is being practiced.

If what people here are calling "cries for help" can be handled by ERA members... it can be handled by someone who is trained in literally dealing with cries for help without opening up the massive margin of error that soliciting responses from random people online brings.

And if that's the case, then why are we exposing suicide threads to the wider population of ERA and not considering what that does to people?

 

[Ghoul]

Hobbes being Hobbes

What expectations are being created? it seems much more harmful to lock a thread that is a cry for help than it is to let it stay open because by locking it that can feel extremely dismissive.

most people who have resources or friends they can reach out to DONT post on forums. So think about why someone is posting on Era about it = they don’t have anyone.

and yes. Some of us just want to talk it out.

[shosta]

i've been using internet forums for over 20 years and the prevalence of suicide threads here is far beyond anything i've ever experienced elsewhere

It's true

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Have the administration or the upper levels of the moderation team actually consulted mental health professionals on this, at all?

Yes, we've spoken to people with experience in the field and continue to seek their advice and consultation.

No, not "people who have experience being depressed" you idiot; mental health professionals.
spoilers: not fucking ket-kat you dipshits

[davepoobond]

I think it’s ridiculous that the staff thinks it’s helpful at all to leave those threads open.  What if someone actually Offs themselves?

Maybe someone tells them they should do it, or someone contacts them under false pretenses trying to exchange phone numbers.  Maybe the family sues everyone who posts in there or something.

They’re not equipped to handle that shit, they need to pass it along to actual professionals.

[bork]

I think it’s ridiculous that the staff thinks it’s helpful at all to leave those threads open.  What if someone actually Offs themselves?

Maybe someone tells them they should do it, or someone contacts them under false pretenses trying to exchange phone numbers.  Maybe the family sues everyone who posts in there or something.

They’re not equipped to handle that shit, they need to pass it along to actual professionals.

GAF mods used to close them- another example that purple gaf is somehow even worse than that shithole.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

They have to leave suicide threads open long enough for thekree to check their post counts and redmercury to check their twitter histories to see if they're worth saving or not

[blame space]

so now you guys are cool with mods closing threads? a thread can be a lot of things, and a cry for help is one of them. someone could answer that call for all you know.

locking them on sight is nothing but covering your own ass.

[Lonewulfeus]

They have to leave suicide threads open long enough for thekree to check their post counts and redmercury to check their twitter histories to see if they're worth saving or not

Dog-faced pony soldier

[porkbun]

so now you guys are cool with mods closing threads? a thread can be a lot of things, and a cry for help is one of them. someone could answer that call for all you know.

locking them on sight is nothing but covering your own ass.

If it's a genuine call for help or suicidal thoughts, they need to find help via a doctor, therapist, help line, hospital, etc and not a bunch of people like Excelspreadsheet or KitKat.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

so now you guys are cool with mods closing threads? a thread can be a lot of things, and a cry for help is one of them. someone could answer that call for all you know.

locking them on sight is nothing but covering your own ass.

I don't think anybody here is ideologically opposed to threads being locked, we just clown on the stupid and increasingly baroque and esoteric reasons for doing so.

But the difference in stakes between asking randos on the internet if you should buy a switch or if you should preorder the next ass creed or the next cod and getting burnt on shitty advice from people who think they're experts is pretty substantial.

[Averon]

ERA finally get some self-awareness that their community have a mental health and suicide problem, but even with that realization, they couldn't help themselves, and so here comes the [Staff Post] and bans and thread lock. I don't know if its funny or sad. Probably a little of both.

[railGUN]

Resetera mods are so fucking full of themselves, they'll never admit they are ill-equipped (to put it mildly) to handle anything, let alone something as serious as suicidal thoughts from a person suffering from mental illness.

They think that the position of power they've been assigned means something. Congrats, you're a sucker who works for free while some guy laughs all the way to the bank.

Funny how no one is asking Cerium, the guy who actually makes money from suicide threads, to weigh in on this incredibly important topic...

[nachobro]

We are however brainstorming ideas on how to uplift the mood on the forum, including hosting more fun events. We'll hopefully have more to say on that in the coming weeks.

oh boy i hope its just as fun as their last event where half the people participating were banned for no reason

[Pissy F Benny]

Multiple people in the corona thread were banned for the slightest mention of dogs being eaten in China.

Meanwhile, in China

Shenzhen has introduced a draft regulation to ban the eating of cats and dogs as part of a nationwide drive to implement a “total ban” on the consumption of wild animals following the Covid-19 outbreak

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052545/chinese-city-shenzhen-bans-eating-cats-and-dogs-part-moves-stop

Someone post and report back

Yes, china eat dog because they come from a culture where that no big deal, just like the french have no qualms about eating horses and the british give zero fucks about eating awww-so-cute baby lambs.

its actually super fucking racist in terms of imposing cultural values upon others to assume that if you have a hangup about eating dog, that means anyone who does so is morally wrong, and that stating people that - in fact - fucking do just that must therefore be some kind of slur

Lamb is delicious though 

[railGUN]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-feel-empty.172262/

Case in point.

Someone creates a thread expressing they're feeling suicidal. Clearly uses the word "black" to describe their mental state (as in void, empty, cloaked in darkness).

REE: that's racist and you should feed bad about it!

[jorma]

Multiple people in the corona thread were banned for the slightest mention of dogs being eaten in China.

Meanwhile, in China

Shenzhen has introduced a draft regulation to ban the eating of cats and dogs as part of a nationwide drive to implement a “total ban” on the consumption of wild animals following the Covid-19 outbreak

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052545/chinese-city-shenzhen-bans-eating-cats-and-dogs-part-moves-stop

Someone post and report back

Yes, china eat dog because they come from a culture where that no big deal, just like the french have no qualms about eating horses and the british give zero fucks about eating awww-so-cute baby lambs.

its actually super fucking racist in terms of imposing cultural values upon others to assume that if you have a hangup about eating dog, that means anyone who does so is morally wrong, and that stating people that - in fact - fucking do just that must therefore be some kind of slur

Lamb is delicious though 

horse meat is tasty as well

[Pissy F Benny]

Sacre bleu

[BisMarckie]

We are however brainstorming ideas on how to uplift the mood on the forum, including hosting more fun events. We'll hopefully have more to say on that in the coming weeks.

oh boy i hope its just as fun as their last event where half the people participating were banned for no reason

[HaughtyFrank]

We are however brainstorming ideas on how to uplift the mood on the forum, including hosting more fun events. We'll hopefully have more to say on that in the coming weeks.

oh boy i hope its just as fun as their last event where half the people participating were banned for no reason

It's like the only tool the mods know is the ban button

[nachobro]

I personally enjoy reading news threads on this site, but I think this is a great idea.

Split the site into three boards:

Gaming
General Discussion
Current Affairs and Politics

The separation between GBS and Debate&Discussion on Something Awful worked really well for a long time, and I think it would work really well here too.

I still think splitting EtcetEra into multiple boards would be the best idea, including a full board dedicated to mental health.

yesssssss try this again and we can watch the whining crew get asspained again

[nachobro]

it killed discussion by being confusing and fragmentizing the community.

"confusing" these people really are just 80 year old boomers

[shosta]

"fragmentizing"

[ShutUp]

ERA sponsored fun events 

But who knows, maybe they actually come up with something.

[Uncle]

I think it would help just to chill out with the negativity in OT especially, no we're not going to die in a few years because of climate change, we're not facing a Nazi problem that is in any way shape or form similar to what it was in WW2. The mods should start doing something about hyperboles because they are affecting the mental health of members here obviously.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-mental-health-of-this-community.172243/post-29438096

HOW. DARE. YOU.

Let me guess. He's banned and that thread is a graveyard. And probably locked, too.


edit: 3/3. I'm a genius 

Threads like that are common on forums since Usenet.

This particular iteration of this community is the only one I've seen that actively participates and cares about the users that post them as a matter of principle, though...so it's probably a reason for seeing them more often.

this is such shit

the only sites I've ever seen people not take suicide threads seriously are chan type stuff

the difference with era is that it feels like the whole thing is the bare minimum they can do

in other threads they will tell these same suicidal people they're privileged or don't care about minorities or need to suck on the barrel of a shotgun for voting bloomberg and then as soon as the suicide comes out they spout the most disingenuous "don't throw your life away"



you can tell it grates on them so much to have to pretend to care about others

they support the suicidal because they have to, in all other circumstances they would be using surgical linguistic strikes to mutter KYS at those same people

[Pissy F Benny]

Fun is an alt right trope 

[nachobro]

also i like the definitive conclusion that it killed discussion when their split was active for like...8 hours at most? probably not even that.

[nachobro]

Not every discussion needs to gain traction. What good are all of these Trump threads doing? It's the same people grinding their teeth in every one

well, we could just close etcetera then, problem solved.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-mental-health-of-this-community-read-staff-post-before-posting.172243/post-29448278

[HaughtyFrank]

ERA sponsored fun events 

But who knows, maybe they actually come up with something.

Reverse every single ban for one day. That would be my kind of fun.

[Pissy F Benny]

also i like the definitive conclusion that it killed discussion when their split was active for like...8 hours at most? probably not even that.

Wasn’t the main beef regarding that the mods only asked a few ‘prominent members’ if it was a good idea and everyone not prominent lost their shit 

[ShutUp]

“It killed discussion” aka the likes of Excel were pretty much being ignored and we can’t have that! Plus, the split last time was up for a matter of hours, some people went to sleep and didn’t even know the change had occurred.

[Nintex]

There's not really a good answer regarding the suicidal or even the very heavy personal advice threads. Maybe that too should be in its own subsection that maybe only members can see?

Maybe have an entire subsection for suicide threads 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

non-serious threads are basically banned, so you could start there

This is patently not true

WE HAVE FUN!

Do you remember when that guy accessed the site with his DREAMCAST?
Do you remember DREAMCAST?
When that guy used his dreamcast to access the site?
Do you remember? With a DREAMCAST? When he accessed the site?