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Propagandhim

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41640 on: April 29, 2021, 04:49:56 PM »

 
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41641 on: April 29, 2021, 04:50:47 PM »
Locked for reports review.  :lol
Like clockwork.


Don Rumata

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41643 on: April 29, 2021, 04:52:50 PM »
"Ok guys, we're making a shooter, what's an enemy that isn't problematic?"
"Let's play it safe, let's just go with alien monsters..."

*Sometime Later*


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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41644 on: April 29, 2021, 05:05:59 PM »
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I'm gonna get smacked for this but some of you people need to grow the fuck up

This goes double for the PoliEra regulars in here gleefully mocking a trans leftist indigenous writer for making a comment that, shockingly, from her perspective she feels xenophobia is not limited to the GOP and it is personally off-putting to see a game lean on that prefix in the context of modern politics

Progressive website my ass
 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/returnal-review-thread.417591/page-28#post-63915363


I often wonder if they realise just how paternalistic it is to say shit like this when defending someone?
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Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41646 on: April 29, 2021, 05:24:09 PM »
This is nuts. Gaming journos can make the dumbest takes imaginable and expect not to be called out on it or be laughed at because something something Gamergate that happened, what, SEVEN years ago. And you got half of ERA being so "woke" and so peer pressured to go along with this dumb shit that they can get review threads locked because of some light ribbing from other users, which is elevated to the level of a GG harassment campaign.

It is all so dumb.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41647 on: April 29, 2021, 05:50:20 PM »
The new cast of mst3k



This picture needs to be posted in the Reee thread promoting their new Kickstarter. Don't they know they are all white supremacist?

Cancel please.


Nintex

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41648 on: April 29, 2021, 05:57:46 PM »
Even bdubs is defending white supremacy now  :(

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jeopardy-contestant-flashes-white-supremacy-hand-symbol-says-its-all-a-misunderstanding.417771/

https://mobile.twitter.com/JadenLittle2/status/1387231663483068422

 :lol
The White Power hand sign thing is the dumbest thing.

Especially because those fuckers at 4chan/8chan came up with this nonsense to own the libs. Creating quite possibly the biggest self own paradox in history. :doge

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HaughtyFrank

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41649 on: April 29, 2021, 05:58:29 PM »
Even bdubs is defending white supremacy now  :(

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jeopardy-contestant-flashes-white-supremacy-hand-symbol-says-its-all-a-misunderstanding.417771/

https://mobile.twitter.com/JadenLittle2/status/1387231663483068422

 :lol

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Go fuck yourself you smug douchebag

They're so eager for it to be real

Edit: jesus christ, 560 former contestants signed that letter. Just what the fuck has happened to people
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41650 on: April 29, 2021, 06:03:39 PM »
Solidarity with Shiron.
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Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41651 on: April 29, 2021, 06:06:07 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/returnal-review-thread.417591/page-28#post-63915363

User Banned (1 week): thread derail, attacking other users, inflammatory accusations

Color me surprised that they actually banned him. Probably because he took a crack at PoliERA.  :lol
He would have been safe otherwise.

Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41652 on: April 29, 2021, 06:07:10 PM »
Constructive thread is massively abuzz with anti-review-thread sentiments. Too many to list here, but it starts here:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/page-95#post-63918024
Quote from: PaperSparrow
Didn't want to push too much on the point before today, because I know I'm in the minority here, but I really think review prediction/review threads should be severely moderated or removed altogether for big releases. The posters engaging with the topic responsibly does not imo outweigh the toxic console wars/hype that permeates the discussion. The few AAA release review threads I have stepped into over the past year have been awful and thinly veiled excuses to attack reviewers.

I know there are good posters in those threads and great info that comes out of reviews that people like to have aggregated, but it just isn't worth it for big, highly anticipated games that have way too much defensiveness behind them.

Review threads are the exact kind of toxicity Era isn't supposed to stand for:
Quote from: Bigg
I agree with this. If you're not going to ban these threads, at the very least they should be heavily moderated with a zero tolerance policy towards harassment or dunking on a review solely because of a negative score.

The Returnal OT is embarrassing, quite frankly. It's full of people dunking on negative reviews for a game they haven't played and posting quotes from those reviews out of context to present them in the most unflattering light. The game has an 86 on Metacritic and 85 reviews and yet all anyone is talking about is the 3/5 and 6/10 from Jeff Grubb and Dia Lacina, respectively. It's clear the thread was locked because mods were aware it was spiraling out of control but the damage has been done after 30 pages. The fact that a mod jumped on the Dia dunking is tremendously disappointing.

It's just a classic example of the toxicity this forum is supposed to be campaigning against.

Quote from: Bigg
Well, I say further in that post that people were "posting quotes from those reviews out of context to present them in the most unflattering light," so I clearly agree with you there.

My point isn't that "people aren't allowed to dislike reviews," it's that the culture of review threads are such that people excited for a game always go towards reviews that are critical of it and look for excuses to mock it. Again, the Returnal thread literally got to the point where a mod chimed in on calling the quote from Dia's review "cringe." People matter-of-factly said that Jeff Grubb never finished the game when all anyone needed to do was go on twitter and see that he posted that he stayed up late to finish it. And the fact that it took a poster calling out the other members of the thread for the mods to finally lock it and review it is too little too late. The thread should have been locked far earlier.

This happens over and over and over again. Kallie Plagge similarly got a lot of crap of her Cyberpunk 2077 review, and then the game came out and suddenly people agreed with most of her criticisms.

If review threads aren't going to be removed, then they need to be moderated to a degree that they clearly are not now.

Kyuuji takes the opposing view:
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Seems kind of odd to me to lay it at the feet of the thread, when numerous other threads on a wide range of things from opinions to sensitive issues are moderated with the intent to get rid of users that are misbehaving.

I still find review threads both interesting and useful, part of why I was keen to make the Returnal one and provide as comprehensive a post as possible on it. If people are assholes in the thread, moderate the assholes. I still think it's possible to have decent discussions within them past that, like we do in most other threads on the board. It's also nice to have a celebration of the success of a game release, when there is one that does particularly well. Especially around a new IP and studio venture into the AAA space finding that success.
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I would lean towards heavier moderation rather than outright banning the threads myself, as there can be good takeaways/celebrations there with genuine posters, but that would require a harder stance on hype/console toxicity all around. There is an uncomfortably large amount of users that get way too negative/positive about a product and manage to skirt the current line in the sand just enough.

I guess it's just I can see mods not wanting to deal with that headache for something that's not as needed as news, an OT, the discussion of sensitive topics, etc. Review threads aren't the source of the issue though, for sure, and the underlying toxicity behind it I would prefer addressed.
For sure, I'm just hesitant to let the people that can't handle things like middling reviews or platform differences start to dictate which threads the rest of us are allowed to have. Seems to me if they weren't in a review thread they would be in the OT because, as you note, the thread isn't the issue but specifically those people. If there wasn't a review thread people would post the reviews in the OT and you'd have the same discussions and arguments in there.

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As I illustrated in my last post, my issue is that the culture around review threads is a huge problem. People excited for a game finding the most critical reviews on metacritic and then quoting them out of context to make them look bad followed by a big dunkfest is not a one-off to the Returnal thread, it's a pattern. And it's clear that the mod team is just not moderating these threads as heavily or as severely as they should, because it keeps happening constantly. Either get rid of the threads or make a real concentrated effort to moderate them better.
At the same time there's a lot of people discussing the game and appreciating the reviews normally, often discussing them with people that have written them themselves. So I'm not chomping at the bit to gut the threads from the forum, when it'll do little to prevent the actual issue of some members being unable to handle a middling review. We don't prevent other threads from being made because console warriors decide to pipe up, we just ban those members because they're being assholes.

Era would definitely never, ever prevent a thread from being made or close a thread due to it being too much work to handle the assholes.

I can't decide if it's funnier if they ban review threads entirely, or if they just turn review threads into joyless slogs where you're not allowed to point and laugh at dumb shit in reviews.

Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41653 on: April 29, 2021, 06:09:43 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/returnal-review-thread.417591/page-29

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yea jesus christ. the gamergate-tier rhetoric i'm seeing thrown out in this thread. and i reviewed and loved Returnal! i think it's some kind of masterpiece. i also enjoyed reading Dia's review and the harassment shit is driving her out of the industry. are we really gonna be better off without her voice because we happened to disagree with some of her twitter takes? for fuck's sake y'all, it's pathetic

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory accusations, inappropriate comparisons to hate movements

That Gamergate shield seem to be weak even for ERA mods.

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41654 on: April 29, 2021, 06:13:14 PM »
They made the classic mistake of attacking the mods. No one is ever allowed to question the mods.

Edit:

Quote from: Kyuuji
This feels like a weird take when you're determining what the community 'really finds' worth discussing instead of, well, the community choosing which threads to be active in. If you want to allow 'a couple more spaces on the main page' for more interesting threads then ignore the thread.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/post-63930189

Fuuuuuuck of Kyuuji  :lol

This is so insincere after the whole Cyberpunk bitching

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41655 on: April 29, 2021, 06:13:19 PM »
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I'm gonna get smacked for this but some of you people need to grow the fuck up

This goes double for the PoliEra regulars in here gleefully mocking a trans leftist indigenous writer for making a comment that, shockingly, from her perspective she feels xenophobia is not limited to the GOP and it is personally off-putting to see a game lean on that prefix in the context of modern politics

Progressive website my ass

Returnal review thread bout to get turnt up.

A triple threat! 


AOTC is bad but at least Ewan is fun as obi wan. The sequel trilogy has no fun or cool characters.

I did like Obi Wan playing detective.  I would 'totes watch a Jedi SVU or Homicide.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41656 on: April 29, 2021, 06:20:04 PM »
Even bdubs is defending white supremacy now  :(

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jeopardy-contestant-flashes-white-supremacy-hand-symbol-says-its-all-a-misunderstanding.417771/

https://mobile.twitter.com/JadenLittle2/status/1387231663483068422

 :lol
The White Power hand sign thing is the dumbest thing.

Especially because those fuckers at 4chan/8chan came up with this nonsense to own the libs. Creating quite possibly the biggest self own paradox in history. :doge

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/jeopardy-contestant-flashes-white-supremacy-hand-symbol-says-its-all-a-misunderstanding.417771/#post-63915435

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One of the major points for using a benign hand signal is to make people on the left become paranoid about any and every instance of it. The OP calling this person scum for doing a signal that a lot of people use to not signal white supremacist views is an example of how successful Nazis are.

Pound sand, Naziintex
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clothedmacuser

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41657 on: April 29, 2021, 06:23:46 PM »
There is a new show on Peacock+ called "Rutherford Falls."

It's about native americans having to deal with Excel types telling them how to be more proper and civilized because we need a white women with grocery stocking experience to guide us.  It's a condemnation of those fucking whites who want to "educate" us.  Mac is starting to rage!
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41658 on: April 29, 2021, 06:29:47 PM »
This is nuts. Gaming journos can make the dumbest takes imaginable and expect not to be called out on it or be laughed at because something something Gamergate that happened, what, SEVEN years ago. And you got half of ERA being so "woke" and so peer pressured to go along with this dumb shit that they can get review threads locked because of some light ribbing from other users, which is elevated to the level of a GG harassment campaign.

It is all so dumb.
The worst of it is that the criticism is completely valid. The defence meanwhile...
Spud

Nintex

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41659 on: April 29, 2021, 06:46:12 PM »
Even bdubs is defending white supremacy now  :(

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jeopardy-contestant-flashes-white-supremacy-hand-symbol-says-its-all-a-misunderstanding.417771/

https://mobile.twitter.com/JadenLittle2/status/1387231663483068422

 :lol
The White Power hand sign thing is the dumbest thing.

Especially because those fuckers at 4chan/8chan came up with this nonsense to own the libs. Creating quite possibly the biggest self own paradox in history. :doge

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/jeopardy-contestant-flashes-white-supremacy-hand-symbol-says-its-all-a-misunderstanding.417771/#post-63915435

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One of the major points for using a benign hand signal is to make people on the left become paranoid about any and every instance of it. The OP calling this person scum for doing a signal that a lot of people use to not signal white supremacist views is an example of how successful Nazis are.

Pound sand, Naziintex
If you think about it the only thing the Nazi's were ever succesful at was making movies.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41660 on: April 29, 2021, 08:03:38 PM »
I see your returnal review and raise you:

"But when I look at these games, my excitement dims into frustration and, like the tiniest drop of ink in a crystal-clear glass of water, begins to take over. Though these games star women — monstrous women, badass women, or furry women — all the women are white (or voiced by white actresses), so I can’t quite feel the same sea change as others might when they look at these games.

Cis white women are a safe option. They are just as much the default as the white men they replace. When companies want to look progressive and inclusive, they hire white women. When video games similarly want to look progressive and inclusive, guess who gets put on the box. I’m reminded of BioWare’s campaign to have players vote on what the default female Commander Shepard would look like for Mass Effect 3. I remember being crushed when my choices were blonde, brunette, redhead, and two paper-bag-test-passing tan women."

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/04/sorry-your-cis-white-woman-protagonist-isnt-progressive/

Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41661 on: April 29, 2021, 08:16:43 PM »
Looks like the rable rousers bringing up GG are upset the mods saw through their bullshit derailment and is banning them:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/page-96

Quote from: FoneBone
multiple posters being hit with one-week bans in the Returnal thread for criticizing the pile-on on Dia

Quote from: she_esh
It's ridiculous, this forum absolutely has a problem with women of color criticizing games (see the comments about Gita Jackson around TLOU 2's release last year too)

Quote from: OneEyedKing
Couldn't believe that when I saw it. Absolute shame that they're the ones being punished.

Yes, it is a shame you and your ilks' bullshit thread derail didn't come without consequences for once.  ::)

Quote from: PaperSparrow
I've seen some stupid comparisons to GG on this site, can't say it was unwarranted here. Even if you don't agree, at the end of the day a person was being personally targeted and attacked online, it wasn't making light or lessening GG by being used.

Laughing and pointing at dumb takes from reviewers' reviews isn't "GG harassment" for fuck sake.


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That mod note on the new Returnal thread is, well, one of those cases where I’m surprised and then I think about it for two seconds and I wonder why I had any expectations for a better response from Era.

I’m not sure how the hell you read the toxicity of that previous thread and determine the problem isn’t the dogpile or the mod engaging in the dogpile but the people who looked at that fucking disgusting toxic behavior and went “what the fuck?”



The mods identified the actual troublemakers and banned them for once. Bravo.

Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41662 on: April 29, 2021, 08:20:00 PM »
Quote from: Starseeker
This. The response from staff was downright despicable. Trans people hate this place with good reason, and the ones who are in the position to protect them only contribute to the problem.

Allowing criticism and mockery at a reviewer that happens to be trans = ERA is a hate site full of transphobic staff.

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41663 on: April 29, 2021, 08:27:38 PM »
The staff post in the rebooted thread is pretty hilarious though

Thread rebooted. Members are allowed to critique reviews, laugh at them, roll their eyes at them, and disagree with them; this has always been the case and rarely caused serious problems. In the previous version of this thread, one review raised some eyebrows due to a tangent about the prefix "xeno" in a game about extraterrestrials, relating it to United States immigration policy.

This was not an issue until a certain famous alt-right troll decided to highlight that same review and inspire his followers to start a harassment campaign against its author on Twitter. We will not name the troll because him and all his content is already banned here.

In the wake of that awfulness, members who had previously posted anything critical about the review became targets of personal attacks and inflammatory accusations, essentially painting them as alt-right when all they had done was disagree with a video game review. That is not acceptable.

To be very clear, there must be no personal insults or attacks against the reviewer. Given the situation, commentary about that review itself should be worded politely and delicately or not at all. This is a thread for all reviews about Returnal and its metascores. The thread should not be hyperfocused on a single review.

They put all the blame on C*lin. While their critcism and cringing was well deserved, Colin was of course only trolling  :lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41664 on: April 29, 2021, 08:39:26 PM »


You come at a Jannie, you best not miss.  :mods
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Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41665 on: April 29, 2021, 08:50:46 PM »
A.By is almost always in the thick of it whenever the mods and users have a dust up. Always instigating and poking at the mods. They have proven themselves to be an instigator/shit stirrer. I mean, weren't they the one that leaked the mods' Discord discussions? Or were they the one that dug up an old post from GAF from a BCT aligned mod to get him demodded? I know A.by was deeply involved in one or both of those incidents.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2021, 09:01:15 PM by Averon »

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41666 on: April 29, 2021, 09:16:18 PM »
Quote from: Starseeker
This. The response from staff was downright despicable. Trans people hate this place with good reason, and the ones who are in the position to protect them only contribute to the problem.

Allowing criticism and mockery at a reviewer that happens to be trans = ERA is a hate site full of transphobic staff.

Trans people hate it so much that they can't leave and go make their own forum.

And what response were mods supposed to have to people MOCKING THE CONTENT OF THE REVIEW AND NOT THE PERSON REVIEWING IT!?  :kinison

What "toxic behavior"? Its people laughing at the absurdity of bringing xenophobia and Democrats and the DualSense controller being like a vibrator with low batteries into a review about a shoot 'em up game.

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« Reply #41667 on: April 29, 2021, 09:37:14 PM »
A.By is almost always in the thick of it whenever the mods and users have a dust up. Always instigating and poking at the mods. They have proven themselves to be an instigator/shit stirrer. I mean, weren't they the one that leaked the mods' Discord discussions? Or were they the one that dug up an old post from GAF from a BCT aligned mod to get him demodded? I know A.by was deeply involved in one or both of those incidents.

If true, please refer to this poster as A*By going forward.

Also, FUCK C*lin.

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« Reply #41668 on: April 29, 2021, 10:36:23 PM »
A.By was trans? I thought that user was just stupid.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41669 on: April 29, 2021, 10:50:19 PM »
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In the wake of that awfulness, members who had previously posted anything critical about the review became targets of personal attacks and inflammatory accusations, essentially painting them as alt-right when all they had done was disagree with a video game review. That is not acceptable.
 

That have not stopped you before. What changed?

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« Reply #41670 on: April 30, 2021, 01:44:22 AM »
I see your returnal review and raise you:

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/04/sorry-your-cis-white-woman-protagonist-isnt-progressive/
I’m going to need the author to explain how they know these characters are cis. That baseless and confident assertion seems rather problematic to me.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41671 on: April 30, 2021, 02:44:07 AM »
ok, so some things are finally being put on paper.

the EU things about private information has not been ignored by the higher ups at DBA resetera.

Apparently a dba doesn't shield from fraud, and ___________ contributions.

There's been two very influential communities to the gamer circle that got roped up in a certain January event. 

Whiteman is having his last half in heaven.


e: resetera apparently doesn't even pretend to adhere to multi national privacy laws?  we us. USA USA....?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41672 on: April 30, 2021, 05:43:08 AM »
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In the wake of that awfulness, members who had previously posted anything critical about the review became targets of personal attacks and inflammatory accusations, essentially painting them as alt-right when all they had done was disagree with a video game review. That is not acceptable.
 

That have not stopped you before. What changed?

One of those members is a mod.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41673 on: April 30, 2021, 06:17:41 AM »
I see your returnal review and raise you:

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/04/sorry-your-cis-white-woman-protagonist-isnt-progressive/
I’m going to need the author to explain how they know these characters are cis. That baseless and confident assertion seems rather problematic to me.
Otherwise they would've mentioned it every 5 minutes.   :smug

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41674 on: April 30, 2021, 06:23:40 AM »
I see your returnal review and raise you:

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/04/sorry-your-cis-white-woman-protagonist-isnt-progressive/
I’m going to need the author to explain how they know these characters are cis. That baseless and confident assertion seems rather problematic to me.

Is the voice actor Cis? Checkmate!
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41675 on: April 30, 2021, 06:44:44 AM »
Gamergate was the worst thing to happen to games.  Not because of any harassment or grifters using it to make bank, nor because of any spotlight being shone on the hyper-insularity and questionable practices of the enthusiast press.  The truly worst thing about gamergate is how it is constantly being used by shitty games press to shield themselves from a critical discussion when they go and say outrageously dumb shit.

Can you imagine the era threads if they tried to expand it beyond garmes jurnalizm?
"Era, I'm an uber eats delivery driver, and the other day some alt-right gamergater chud gave me a one star review because I gave them a self indulgent blogpost instead of the meal for 4 that they ordered, can't fucking believe these people are allowed to eat food and obviously corporate didnt back me up, guess I'm destroying my car forever now"

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41676 on: April 30, 2021, 06:48:48 AM »
There was a couple guys outside the house then one ran over with the rifle pointed at his friend and his friend sped off in the car.

They chased him through the city for a bit but gave up when he found a police officer. The officer took chase of them, but didn’t even report anything..

God, I just want out of here.

You should have gone to a social worker instead of a literal murderer, ACAB defund the poliss

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41677 on: April 30, 2021, 07:26:13 AM »
Menthol cigarettes have been banned in Canada, the UK, and Europe (maybe elsewhere, but I know those for sure). It wasn't the most popular move but people generally understood why it happened. Any and all tobacco products that attempt to make smoking easier / friendlier are understandably in the firing line. Don't smoke, kids.


Ah cool, the US are doing the same thing.....
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fda-moves-to-ban-menthol-cigarettes-and-flavored-cigars.417684/

Racism racism race racist racism racist racism race race. Obviously.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41678 on: April 30, 2021, 07:31:31 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bafta-winning-actor-noel-clarke-kidulthood-star-trek-into-darkness-accused-of-groping-harassment-by-20-women.417834/

So this is another "how can era seriously handle things this badly" type thread, with comparisons being made to fucking jimmy saville.

I have no idea if the guys done what hes accused of, but its not "20 people all accuse him of the same thing" which is a lot more of a smoking gun, its more like "20 women with random different grievances are all trying to fuck this dudes life up now" and fuck his life up is indeed whats happening:
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BAFTA have also just responded by suspending his membership and his award.
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Sky has stopped Noel Clarke's involvement in any future productions after he was accused of sexual harassment and bullying.

It said in a statement: "Sky stands against all forms of sexual harassment and bullying and takes any allegations of this nature extremely seriously.

"Effective immediately, we have halted Noel Clarke's involvement in any future Sky productions."

so hes already lost awards and work purely on ALLEGATIONS.

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What a horrifying article. This part near the end really speaks volumes:
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Clarke said he had not done the things he was being accused of, adding: “If there’s someone that was like a consensual that’s changed their mind five years later, well, firstly, that’s fucking ridiculous. Secondly, they still have to prove it. And I’m not trying to be that guy that’s like: hahaha I’m guilty, prove it. I’m not trying to be that guy. But they still have to prove it.”
Sexual harassment is a crime that's virtually impossible for a victim to prove unless she's walking around wearing a GoPro on her head. Telling 20 women to "prove it" is just so telling. He knows they can't and the only strength of their claims is in the sheer number of them.

What a disappointing person he turned out to be. I hope the women he's victimized can find some peace from getting this all out in the open.

Okay, yeah, its difficult to prove 'harassment' from a conversation between two parties that only they were privy to.
It's literally impossible to prove that no such thing happened. That's literally why the burden of proof is on somebody making the claim.

And let's take a look at some of those 'sheer number' of claims:
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Another woman to accuse Clarke of inappropriate sharing of images is Ieva Sabaliauskaite, a production assistant on Brotherhood. At the wrap party on 21 December 2015, Sabaliauskaite was on the dancefloor, showing colleagues her abilities as a former gymnast, including doing the splits. The next day, Sabaliauskaite saw Clarke in the production office, surrounded by a group of people. “They were sniggering and looking at me,” she says.

Sabaliauskaite says Clarke was showing them a photo he had taken of her in a compromising position, her underwear visible. Three other witnesses told the Guardian they recalled Clarke boasting about his photograph of Sabaliauskaite. Sabaliauskaite says she remembers the image of her knickers on Clarke’s phone so clearly that she “could draw it”. She recalls feeling mortified: “It’s kind of a massive humiliation.”

She instinctively lunged for Clarke’s phone; the phone dropped, breaking the screen. “He was angry,” she recalls. Sabaliauskaite says she took the phone containing the photo he had taken of her, a junior employee, to a repair shop to get it fixed. “It was the final act of humiliation,” she says. Clarke’s lawyers stressed the photograph was of Sabaliauskaite publicly doing the splits in the middle of the dancefloor and that it was not taken “up her skirt”, adding that many people present at the party would confirm this. Clarke, they added, had later merely “joked” about showing the image to colleagues. They confirmed Clarke asked Sabaliauskaite to fix the screen, saying she was “a production runner and such a task was part of her job”.

 :doge

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The actor and screenwriter Jing Lusi, who has starred in Crazy Rich Asians and Gangs of London, worked with Clarke on the film SAS: Red Notice, shot in Budapest in 2018. Clarke invited Lusi for dinner on 27 November 2018. During the meal, Clarke summoned the waiter for the cheque before Lusi had finished eating. She asked what the hurry was. According to Lusi, Clarke said that he wanted them to go to his place to have sex. She recalls laughing in disbelief. “He said he couldn’t help it: ‘It’s how you make me feel, I just really want to,’” she says. “Really laying it on thick and grossly and quite explicitly.”

According to Lusi’s account, when she made it clear she would not have sex with Clarke, his demeanour changed. Lusi says: “After he realised that it was not going to happen, he then absolutely without any emotion [said]: ‘All right, fine, don’t tell anyone about this, yeah? ’Cause if you do, it will get back to me, I will find out.’”

The next morning, Clarke sent her an emoji of a person with their finger to their lips, which she took as an indication that she should not tell anyone about his inappropriate behaviour. But Lusi did tell friends and others how disturbed she was by the incident. A friend she contacted three days afterwards recalls: “She messaged me and said: ‘Dude I’ve been #MeTooed at work by another actor and then sworn to secrecy and threatened.’”

 :doge

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Helen Atherton was an art director on Brotherhood and alleges that Clarke violated industry norms for the ethical filming of sex or nude scenes. Clarke’s production team hired strippers to perform some scenes, instead of professional actors who, Atherton says, would be aware of industry-standard protocols during shoots involving nudity.

:doge

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Crabb began to dread their car journeys. One morning, she was 10 minutes late to collect Clarke. Powell was in the back seat. “He literally screamed at us in the car,” recalls Crabb. “I was completely in shock. I’ve never had someone scream at me before.” She says she was fearful of Clarke and learned to placate him when he was yelling at her. “He’s a scary person,” she says. Powell said she could not recall the specifics of the car journey, other than that Clark “yelled” at the runner because she was late. Clarke denies bullying or sexually harassing Crabb, denies he is a scary person and denies shouting at her in the car.

 :doge

Because it really seems like a hit piece looking for anyone with any kind of axe to grind to pile on with any accusation no matter how flimsy for the sake of propping up the overall flimsiness of the initial report by weight of numbers, and good old "where there's smoke...".

It's not fucking 'great work' by the guardian  :-\

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41679 on: April 30, 2021, 07:39:41 AM »
Menthol cigarettes have been banned in Canada, the UK, and Europe (maybe elsewhere, but I know those for sure). It wasn't the most popular move but people generally understood why it happened. Any and all tobacco products that attempt to make smoking easier / friendlier are understandably in the firing line. Don't smoke, kids.


Ah cool, the US are doing the same thing.....
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fda-moves-to-ban-menthol-cigarettes-and-flavored-cigars.417684/

Racism racism race racist racism racist racism race race. Obviously.
Menthol smokes suck balls.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41680 on: April 30, 2021, 07:45:43 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bafta-winning-actor-noel-clarke-kidulthood-star-trek-into-darkness-accused-of-groping-harassment-by-20-women.417834/

So this is another "how can era seriously handle things this badly" type thread, with comparisons being made to fucking jimmy saville.

I have no idea if the guys done what hes accused of, but its not "20 people all accuse him of the same thing" which is a lot more of a smoking gun, its more like "20 women with random different grievances are all trying to fuck this dudes life up now" and fuck his life up is indeed whats happening:
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BAFTA have also just responded by suspending his membership and his award.
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Sky has stopped Noel Clarke's involvement in any future productions after he was accused of sexual harassment and bullying.

It said in a statement: "Sky stands against all forms of sexual harassment and bullying and takes any allegations of this nature extremely seriously.

"Effective immediately, we have halted Noel Clarke's involvement in any future Sky productions."

so hes already lost awards and work purely on ALLEGATIONS.

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What a horrifying article. This part near the end really speaks volumes:
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Clarke said he had not done the things he was being accused of, adding: “If there’s someone that was like a consensual that’s changed their mind five years later, well, firstly, that’s fucking ridiculous. Secondly, they still have to prove it. And I’m not trying to be that guy that’s like: hahaha I’m guilty, prove it. I’m not trying to be that guy. But they still have to prove it.”
Sexual harassment is a crime that's virtually impossible for a victim to prove unless she's walking around wearing a GoPro on her head. Telling 20 women to "prove it" is just so telling. He knows they can't and the only strength of their claims is in the sheer number of them.

What a disappointing person he turned out to be. I hope the women he's victimized can find some peace from getting this all out in the open.

Okay, yeah, its difficult to prove 'harassment' from a conversation between two parties that only they were privy to.
It's literally impossible to prove that no such thing happened. That's literally why the burden of proof is on somebody making the claim.

And let's take a look at some of those 'sheer number' of claims:
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Another woman to accuse Clarke of inappropriate sharing of images is Ieva Sabaliauskaite, a production assistant on Brotherhood. At the wrap party on 21 December 2015, Sabaliauskaite was on the dancefloor, showing colleagues her abilities as a former gymnast, including doing the splits. The next day, Sabaliauskaite saw Clarke in the production office, surrounded by a group of people. “They were sniggering and looking at me,” she says.

Sabaliauskaite says Clarke was showing them a photo he had taken of her in a compromising position, her underwear visible. Three other witnesses told the Guardian they recalled Clarke boasting about his photograph of Sabaliauskaite. Sabaliauskaite says she remembers the image of her knickers on Clarke’s phone so clearly that she “could draw it”. She recalls feeling mortified: “It’s kind of a massive humiliation.”

She instinctively lunged for Clarke’s phone; the phone dropped, breaking the screen. “He was angry,” she recalls. Sabaliauskaite says she took the phone containing the photo he had taken of her, a junior employee, to a repair shop to get it fixed. “It was the final act of humiliation,” she says. Clarke’s lawyers stressed the photograph was of Sabaliauskaite publicly doing the splits in the middle of the dancefloor and that it was not taken “up her skirt”, adding that many people present at the party would confirm this. Clarke, they added, had later merely “joked” about showing the image to colleagues. They confirmed Clarke asked Sabaliauskaite to fix the screen, saying she was “a production runner and such a task was part of her job”.

 :doge

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The actor and screenwriter Jing Lusi, who has starred in Crazy Rich Asians and Gangs of London, worked with Clarke on the film SAS: Red Notice, shot in Budapest in 2018. Clarke invited Lusi for dinner on 27 November 2018. During the meal, Clarke summoned the waiter for the cheque before Lusi had finished eating. She asked what the hurry was. According to Lusi, Clarke said that he wanted them to go to his place to have sex. She recalls laughing in disbelief. “He said he couldn’t help it: ‘It’s how you make me feel, I just really want to,’” she says. “Really laying it on thick and grossly and quite explicitly.”

According to Lusi’s account, when she made it clear she would not have sex with Clarke, his demeanour changed. Lusi says: “After he realised that it was not going to happen, he then absolutely without any emotion [said]: ‘All right, fine, don’t tell anyone about this, yeah? ’Cause if you do, it will get back to me, I will find out.’”

The next morning, Clarke sent her an emoji of a person with their finger to their lips, which she took as an indication that she should not tell anyone about his inappropriate behaviour. But Lusi did tell friends and others how disturbed she was by the incident. A friend she contacted three days afterwards recalls: “She messaged me and said: ‘Dude I’ve been #MeTooed at work by another actor and then sworn to secrecy and threatened.’”

 :doge

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Helen Atherton was an art director on Brotherhood and alleges that Clarke violated industry norms for the ethical filming of sex or nude scenes. Clarke’s production team hired strippers to perform some scenes, instead of professional actors who, Atherton says, would be aware of industry-standard protocols during shoots involving nudity.

:doge

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Crabb began to dread their car journeys. One morning, she was 10 minutes late to collect Clarke. Powell was in the back seat. “He literally screamed at us in the car,” recalls Crabb. “I was completely in shock. I’ve never had someone scream at me before.” She says she was fearful of Clarke and learned to placate him when he was yelling at her. “He’s a scary person,” she says. Powell said she could not recall the specifics of the car journey, other than that Clark “yelled” at the runner because she was late. Clarke denies bullying or sexually harassing Crabb, denies he is a scary person and denies shouting at her in the car.

 :doge

Because it really seems like a hit piece looking for anyone with any kind of axe to grind to pile on with any accusation no matter how flimsy for the sake of propping up the overall flimsiness of the initial report by weight of numbers, and good old "where there's smoke...".

It's not fucking 'great work' by the guardian  :-\
The Guardian is the left's equivalent of Fox News. Trash.
Spud

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41681 on: April 30, 2021, 07:50:33 AM »
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In the wake of that awfulness, members who had previously posted anything critical about the review became targets of personal attacks and inflammatory accusations, essentially painting them as alt-right when all they had done was disagree with a video game review. That is not acceptable.
 

That have not stopped you before. What changed?

One of those members is a mod.

The blue mod wall is real

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41682 on: April 30, 2021, 07:56:16 AM »
The Guardian is the left's equivalent of Fox News. Trash.

The Guardian generally does good work, but this honestly comes off as a pure hit piece, merging everything from "he slapped me on my arse", "he hired strippers for a scene in strip club instead of actresses", "I was his P.A and he shouted at me for making him late", "I got drunk at a party and flashed my knickers", "I fucked up a shoot and he asked me what the point of me being there was in front of everyone and it masde me feel bad" and "I went on a date and he said he wanted to fuck me, but when it turned out I didn't want to he asked if I could not go broadcasting that" as all basically the same thing.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41683 on: April 30, 2021, 07:56:17 AM »
Menthol cigarettes have been banned in Canada, the UK, and Europe (maybe elsewhere, but I know those for sure). It wasn't the most popular move but people generally understood why it happened. Any and all tobacco products that attempt to make smoking easier / friendlier are understandably in the firing line. Don't smoke, kids.


Ah cool, the US are doing the same thing.....
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fda-moves-to-ban-menthol-cigarettes-and-flavored-cigars.417684/

Racism racism race racist racism racist racism race race. Obviously.

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Ban smoking if you want to help and stop the war on drugs.

 :derp

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41685 on: April 30, 2021, 08:20:27 AM »
imagine still visiting era instead of retired forum

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41686 on: April 30, 2021, 08:29:04 AM »
A.By is almost always in the thick of it whenever the mods and users have a dust up. Always instigating and poking at the mods. They have proven themselves to be an instigator/shit stirrer. I mean, weren't they the one that leaked the mods' Discord discussions? Or were they the one that dug up an old post from GAF from a BCT aligned mod to get him demodded? I know A.by was deeply involved in one or both of those incidents.

a.by was the user told to pound sand by pooblestrike



https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/page-44#post-54027850

btw consecutive users around the "pound sand" reveal all requested account closures, at least 5 separate banned members on that page, just since December  :doge
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41687 on: April 30, 2021, 08:36:13 AM »
Constructive thread is massively abuzz with anti-review-thread sentiments. Too many to list here, but it starts here:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/page-95#post-63918024
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Didn't want to push too much on the point before today, because I know I'm in the minority here, but I really think review prediction/review threads should be severely moderated or removed altogether for big releases. The posters engaging with the topic responsibly does not imo outweigh the toxic console wars/hype that permeates the discussion. The few AAA release review threads I have stepped into over the past year have been awful and thinly veiled excuses to attack reviewers.

I know there are good posters in those threads and great info that comes out of reviews that people like to have aggregated, but it just isn't worth it for big, highly anticipated games that have way too much defensiveness behind them.

Review threads are the exact kind of toxicity Era isn't supposed to stand for:
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I agree with this. If you're not going to ban these threads, at the very least they should be heavily moderated with a zero tolerance policy towards harassment or dunking on a review solely because of a negative score.

The Returnal OT is embarrassing, quite frankly. It's full of people dunking on negative reviews for a game they haven't played and posting quotes from those reviews out of context to present them in the most unflattering light. The game has an 86 on Metacritic and 85 reviews and yet all anyone is talking about is the 3/5 and 6/10 from Jeff Grubb and Dia Lacina, respectively. It's clear the thread was locked because mods were aware it was spiraling out of control but the damage has been done after 30 pages. The fact that a mod jumped on the Dia dunking is tremendously disappointing.

It's just a classic example of the toxicity this forum is supposed to be campaigning against.

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Well, I say further in that post that people were "posting quotes from those reviews out of context to present them in the most unflattering light," so I clearly agree with you there.

My point isn't that "people aren't allowed to dislike reviews," it's that the culture of review threads are such that people excited for a game always go towards reviews that are critical of it and look for excuses to mock it. Again, the Returnal thread literally got to the point where a mod chimed in on calling the quote from Dia's review "cringe." People matter-of-factly said that Jeff Grubb never finished the game when all anyone needed to do was go on twitter and see that he posted that he stayed up late to finish it. And the fact that it took a poster calling out the other members of the thread for the mods to finally lock it and review it is too little too late. The thread should have been locked far earlier.

This happens over and over and over again. Kallie Plagge similarly got a lot of crap of her Cyberpunk 2077 review, and then the game came out and suddenly people agreed with most of her criticisms.

If review threads aren't going to be removed, then they need to be moderated to a degree that they clearly are not now.

Kyuuji takes the opposing view:
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Seems kind of odd to me to lay it at the feet of the thread, when numerous other threads on a wide range of things from opinions to sensitive issues are moderated with the intent to get rid of users that are misbehaving.

I still find review threads both interesting and useful, part of why I was keen to make the Returnal one and provide as comprehensive a post as possible on it. If people are assholes in the thread, moderate the assholes. I still think it's possible to have decent discussions within them past that, like we do in most other threads on the board. It's also nice to have a celebration of the success of a game release, when there is one that does particularly well. Especially around a new IP and studio venture into the AAA space finding that success.
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I would lean towards heavier moderation rather than outright banning the threads myself, as there can be good takeaways/celebrations there with genuine posters, but that would require a harder stance on hype/console toxicity all around. There is an uncomfortably large amount of users that get way too negative/positive about a product and manage to skirt the current line in the sand just enough.

I guess it's just I can see mods not wanting to deal with that headache for something that's not as needed as news, an OT, the discussion of sensitive topics, etc. Review threads aren't the source of the issue though, for sure, and the underlying toxicity behind it I would prefer addressed.
For sure, I'm just hesitant to let the people that can't handle things like middling reviews or platform differences start to dictate which threads the rest of us are allowed to have. Seems to me if they weren't in a review thread they would be in the OT because, as you note, the thread isn't the issue but specifically those people. If there wasn't a review thread people would post the reviews in the OT and you'd have the same discussions and arguments in there.

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As I illustrated in my last post, my issue is that the culture around review threads is a huge problem. People excited for a game finding the most critical reviews on metacritic and then quoting them out of context to make them look bad followed by a big dunkfest is not a one-off to the Returnal thread, it's a pattern. And it's clear that the mod team is just not moderating these threads as heavily or as severely as they should, because it keeps happening constantly. Either get rid of the threads or make a real concentrated effort to moderate them better.
At the same time there's a lot of people discussing the game and appreciating the reviews normally, often discussing them with people that have written them themselves. So I'm not chomping at the bit to gut the threads from the forum, when it'll do little to prevent the actual issue of some members being unable to handle a middling review. We don't prevent other threads from being made because console warriors decide to pipe up, we just ban those members because they're being assholes.

Era would definitely never, ever prevent a thread from being made or close a thread due to it being too much work to handle the assholes.

I can't decide if it's funnier if they ban review threads entirely, or if they just turn review threads into joyless slogs where you're not allowed to point and laugh at dumb shit in reviews.

not sure if this was the case when you posted but like all of these people are threadbanned or worse now  :lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41688 on: April 30, 2021, 09:46:40 AM »
I see your returnal review and raise you:

"But when I look at these games, my excitement dims into frustration and, like the tiniest drop of ink in a crystal-clear glass of water, begins to take over. Though these games star women — monstrous women, badass women, or furry women — all the women are white (or voiced by white actresses), so I can’t quite feel the same sea change as others might when they look at these games.

Cis white women are a safe option. They are just as much the default as the white men they replace. When companies want to look progressive and inclusive, they hire white women. When video games similarly want to look progressive and inclusive, guess who gets put on the box. I’m reminded of BioWare’s campaign to have players vote on what the default female Commander Shepard would look like for Mass Effect 3. I remember being crushed when my choices were blonde, brunette, redhead, and two paper-bag-test-passing tan women."

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/04/sorry-your-cis-white-woman-protagonist-isnt-progressive/

And here I was thinking Returnal would get massive woke points for having a completely non-sexualized, average looking, mature female lead.


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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41690 on: April 30, 2021, 10:21:38 AM »
And here I was thinking Returnal would get massive woke points for having a completely non-sexualized, average looking, mature female lead.

If only she was an indigenous otherkin or whatever other buzzwords are en vogue now.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41691 on: April 30, 2021, 10:25:47 AM »
Jesus the whining won't stop until every protaganist is a veiled blind trans asian black midget in a wheelchair and when Yoko Taro introduces that character they'll still complain.  :lol

They really don't understand anything about character design or any other topic really.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41692 on: April 30, 2021, 10:31:09 AM »
I see your returnal review and raise you:

"But when I look at these games, my excitement dims into frustration and, like the tiniest drop of ink in a crystal-clear glass of water, begins to take over. Though these games star women — monstrous women, badass women, or furry women — all the women are white (or voiced by white actresses), so I can’t quite feel the same sea change as others might when they look at these games.

Cis white women are a safe option. They are just as much the default as the white men they replace. When companies want to look progressive and inclusive, they hire white women. When video games similarly want to look progressive and inclusive, guess who gets put on the box. I’m reminded of BioWare’s campaign to have players vote on what the default female Commander Shepard would look like for Mass Effect 3. I remember being crushed when my choices were blonde, brunette, redhead, and two paper-bag-test-passing tan women."

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/04/sorry-your-cis-white-woman-protagonist-isnt-progressive/

And here I was thinking Returnal would get massive woke points for having a completely non-sexualized, average looking, mature female lead.

No games safe until 'games journalists' collectively understand that the object of their writing in things like reviews is the game they are reviewing, not themselves and how it makes them feel.

Don't you remember when... I want to say Waypoint, but it could also easily have been Kotaku - shitted up their half life 3 review with a bunch of self indulgent whining about the pandemic?

edit:
My bad, it was venturebeat, but they're all from the blogospheric "nu games journalism" school of writing about themselves with the actual subject of the piece being a kind of distant secondary consideration to the most important thing to discuss :ego

e2: posterchild for :ego writing defends it
Why? Games do not exist in a vacuum, they exist as moments of culture within wider society. There was a time while reviewing Alyx where, late in the night, it hit me that I needed to call my mother and tell her she was no longer allowed to see her grandchild. I cried into the VR headset, and had to give myself a moment of "What the fuck am I doing here?" before progressing forward. Reflecting that in your examination of the art makes perfect sense. You have plenty of extremely positive reviews from people who didn't have that hangup. Grow up.

:ufup :umad
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41693 on: April 30, 2021, 10:39:09 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-industry-insider-punisher-daredevil-and-kingpin-will-appear-alongside-spiderman-in-future-mcu-films.418128/

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After how disappointing the MCU Spider-Man has turned out to be, I'm not excited by more of it. How many more of these mediocre Spider-Man films do we need?

Another MCU related thread over there, another person posting how they just don't like the MCU version of Spidey and they DARED to say people only like it because it's part of the MCU. Which isnt entirely wrong.

So of course ZeoVGM's Marvel defense alert system went off and he jumped in to defend the billion dollar corporations honor, then a few others dog piled the take for no reason.

"no you are wrong, audiences LOVED MCU Spiderman!", they just can't wrap their tiny brains around the fact that not every single person loves this version of the character.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41694 on: April 30, 2021, 11:12:13 AM »
not sure if this was the case when you posted but like all of these people are threadbanned or worse now  :lol

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That threadban was her last post and now she’s banned, so looks self-requested or some off-forum drama.

Also only joined in December but apparently familiar with the internal politics of Era, so I wonder whose alt account that is.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41695 on: April 30, 2021, 11:18:40 AM »
i've gotta wonder what percentage of recent sign ups are alts or are witsec posters :hmm

I can't imagine they get that many new "real" posters* considering their rep across the internet :lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41696 on: April 30, 2021, 01:06:56 PM »
"Why? Games do not exist in a vacuum, they exist as moments of culture within wider society. There was a time while reviewing Alyx where, late in the night, it hit me that I needed to call my mother and tell her she was no longer allowed to see her grandchild. I cried into the VR headset, and had to give myself a moment of "What the fuck am I doing here?" before progressing forward. Reflecting that in your examination of the art makes perfect sense. You have plenty of extremely positive reviews from people who didn't have that hangup. Grow up."

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41697 on: April 30, 2021, 02:18:33 PM »
"Why? Games do not exist in a vacuum, they exist as moments of culture within wider society. There was a time while reviewing Alyx where, late in the night, it hit me that I needed to call my mother and tell her she was no longer allowed to see her grandchild. I cried into the VR headset, and had to give myself a moment of "What the fuck am I doing here?" before progressing forward. Reflecting that in your examination of the art makes perfect sense. You have plenty of extremely positive reviews from people who didn't have that hangup. Grow up."

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41698 on: April 30, 2021, 02:27:50 PM »
hahahahha fuck me klepek. why you gotta turn the fanook levels up every time

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #41699 on: April 30, 2021, 02:36:50 PM »
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