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« Reply #120 on: June 02, 2020, 12:03:26 PM »
The most credit I will give to Voyager is the whole Brad Dourif character’s storyline, which was genuinely excellent Trek.

The maquis stuff was absolutely disappointing, though.  There should have been long-lasting and lingering distrust between the two groups, similar to how the crew of Destiny in Stargate Universe reacted when they worked together with prisoners from the Lucian Alliance.

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« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2020, 12:49:27 PM »
I can't be the only person that thought the first two eps of Season 3 had... questionable writing choices.
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« Reply #123 on: June 09, 2020, 09:12:01 PM »
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« Reply #124 on: June 09, 2020, 09:13:43 PM »
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« Reply #132 on: June 18, 2020, 12:59:00 PM »
https://ew.com/tv/star-trek-lower-decks-next-generation/

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Yup, there's another Star Trek show coming to TV. But this one’s different! Lower Decks is Star Trek in animated comedy form, marking the first time the venerated 56-year-old brand has launched a pure comedy (no, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier doesn’t count). Writer Mike McMahan says he pitched the concept to CBS All Access by saying, “I want to do a show about the guy who brings the yellow cartridge to the back of the food replicator so that a banana comes out the front.”

If that sort of sci-fi goofing on an animated series brings to mind Rick and Morty, as it so happens, McMahan is a former writer on the Adult Swim hit (which surely didn't hurt his pitch). The animation also looks slightly similar. Yet McMahan says Lower Decks clearly distinguishes itself in a couple of key ways. First, while Lower Decks is aimed at adults, the show is far more PG-13 than R-rated. "It's definitely not a kids show, but only because it's a little bit more complex than a kid show would be," he says. And then, there's the show's entire perspective. “The fun of Rick and Morty is that it breaks down sci-fi tropes and is told through Rick Sanchez, who has a very specific, chaotic, nihilistic lens,” he says. “Lower Decks treats mythological sci-fi things just as important as a regular Trek show, while finding new stories to tell — just from a different angle. It's not disassembling mythological sci-fi things. It's treating them as important for everybody on the starship as it would be in a regular star Trek show."

That angle focuses on the adventures of low-ranking crew members of Starfleet’s USS Cerritos (a name that sells us on watching this show as much as anything). The crew is assigned the less glamorous jobs on a city-size starship while the bridge crew led by a traditionally heroic captain does all the so-called “important” work. “The big stories are happening in the bridge crew and there's more kind of social-emotional stories happening to the Lower Deckers," he says. "So it's like their job and the world they're in get affected by these sci-fi stories. But the funny thing too is that whatever menial job you have to do in Star Trek, it might be something that they do every day, but it's still sort of a fascinating look into stuff that happens onboard that haven't been highlighted in another series. So instead of being on the turbolift — the elevators in Trek — our guys are repairing the turbolift. We also spend a lot of time in the bar. You'll also see the Lower Deckers go on away missions doing things that the bridge crew doesn't have to deal with."

While the focus is on the Lower Deckers, the bridge crew isn't kept entirely distant and anonymous. For instance, the crew sometimes interacts with the captain, Carol Freeman (Dawnn Lewis). "She is sort of trying to do this balancing act that all captains do, where they demand respect and are admired and trusted by the crew, but then they also kind of have to be the bad guy," he says. "And a thing we play with a lot is that the Lower Deckers don't always get all the information they're delegated to, but they don't get to have a voice and they don't get to know the context a lot of the time."





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« Reply #133 on: June 18, 2020, 01:01:51 PM »
How is that real :dead
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« Reply #135 on: June 18, 2020, 01:09:51 PM »
https://ew.com/tv/star-trek-lower-decks-next-generation/

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Yup, there's another Star Trek show coming to TV. But this one’s different! Lower Decks is Star Trek in animated comedy form, marking the first time the venerated 56-year-old brand has launched a pure comedy (no, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier doesn’t count). Writer Mike McMahan says he pitched the concept to CBS All Access by saying, “I want to do a show about the guy who brings the yellow cartridge to the back of the food replicator so that a banana comes out the front.”

If that sort of sci-fi goofing on an animated series brings to mind Rick and Morty, as it so happens, McMahan is a former writer on the Adult Swim hit (which surely didn't hurt his pitch). The animation also looks slightly similar. Yet McMahan says Lower Decks clearly distinguishes itself in a couple of key ways. First, while Lower Decks is aimed at adults, the show is far more PG-13 than R-rated. "It's definitely not a kids show, but only because it's a little bit more complex than a kid show would be," he says. And then, there's the show's entire perspective. “The fun of Rick and Morty is that it breaks down sci-fi tropes and is told through Rick Sanchez, who has a very specific, chaotic, nihilistic lens,” he says. “Lower Decks treats mythological sci-fi things just as important as a regular Trek show, while finding new stories to tell — just from a different angle. It's not disassembling mythological sci-fi things. It's treating them as important for everybody on the starship as it would be in a regular star Trek show."

That angle focuses on the adventures of low-ranking crew members of Starfleet’s USS Cerritos (a name that sells us on watching this show as much as anything). The crew is assigned the less glamorous jobs on a city-size starship while the bridge crew led by a traditionally heroic captain does all the so-called “important” work. “The big stories are happening in the bridge crew and there's more kind of social-emotional stories happening to the Lower Deckers," he says. "So it's like their job and the world they're in get affected by these sci-fi stories. But the funny thing too is that whatever menial job you have to do in Star Trek, it might be something that they do every day, but it's still sort of a fascinating look into stuff that happens onboard that haven't been highlighted in another series. So instead of being on the turbolift — the elevators in Trek — our guys are repairing the turbolift. We also spend a lot of time in the bar. You'll also see the Lower Deckers go on away missions doing things that the bridge crew doesn't have to deal with."

While the focus is on the Lower Deckers, the bridge crew isn't kept entirely distant and anonymous. For instance, the crew sometimes interacts with the captain, Carol Freeman (Dawnn Lewis). "She is sort of trying to do this balancing act that all captains do, where they demand respect and are admired and trusted by the crew, but then they also kind of have to be the bad guy," he says. "And a thing we play with a lot is that the Lower Deckers don't always get all the information they're delegated to, but they don't get to have a voice and they don't get to know the context a lot of the time."


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« Reply #136 on: June 18, 2020, 01:14:57 PM »
This is like that Star Wars show by the Robot Chicken guys that Disney mercifully killed before it ever made it to air.

Unfortunately I don't think a buyout is gonna save us this time :(
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« Reply #137 on: June 18, 2020, 01:16:58 PM »
If Harley Quinn can work, I don't see why this can't
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« Reply #138 on: June 18, 2020, 01:17:04 PM »
Did they look at DC's Powerless and go "Yup, that sounds like a winning formula for a Star Trek show"? :thinking

It's like trying to make an entire *series out of "The Zeppo." Good writing can make anything work but I feel like this particular concept would get stretched thin pretty quickly, and wouldn't be surprised if season 2 (if it comes) changes the entire base concept while retaining some of the characters.
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« Reply #139 on: June 18, 2020, 01:50:43 PM »
https://ew.com/tv/star-trek-lower-decks-next-generation/

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Yup, there's another Star Trek show coming to TV. But this one’s different! Lower Decks is Star Trek in animated comedy form, marking the first time the venerated 56-year-old brand has launched a pure comedy (no, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier doesn’t count). Writer Mike McMahan says he pitched the concept to CBS All Access by saying, “I want to do a show about the guy who brings the yellow cartridge to the back of the food replicator so that a banana comes out the front.”

If that sort of sci-fi goofing on an animated series brings to mind Rick and Morty, as it so happens, McMahan is a former writer on the Adult Swim hit (which surely didn't hurt his pitch). The animation also looks slightly similar. Yet McMahan says Lower Decks clearly distinguishes itself in a couple of key ways. First, while Lower Decks is aimed at adults, the show is far more PG-13 than R-rated. "It's definitely not a kids show, but only because it's a little bit more complex than a kid show would be," he says. And then, there's the show's entire perspective. “The fun of Rick and Morty is that it breaks down sci-fi tropes and is told through Rick Sanchez, who has a very specific, chaotic, nihilistic lens,” he says. “Lower Decks treats mythological sci-fi things just as important as a regular Trek show, while finding new stories to tell — just from a different angle. It's not disassembling mythological sci-fi things. It's treating them as important for everybody on the starship as it would be in a regular star Trek show."

That angle focuses on the adventures of low-ranking crew members of Starfleet’s USS Cerritos (a name that sells us on watching this show as much as anything). The crew is assigned the less glamorous jobs on a city-size starship while the bridge crew led by a traditionally heroic captain does all the so-called “important” work. “The big stories are happening in the bridge crew and there's more kind of social-emotional stories happening to the Lower Deckers," he says. "So it's like their job and the world they're in get affected by these sci-fi stories. But the funny thing too is that whatever menial job you have to do in Star Trek, it might be something that they do every day, but it's still sort of a fascinating look into stuff that happens onboard that haven't been highlighted in another series. So instead of being on the turbolift — the elevators in Trek — our guys are repairing the turbolift. We also spend a lot of time in the bar. You'll also see the Lower Deckers go on away missions doing things that the bridge crew doesn't have to deal with."

While the focus is on the Lower Deckers, the bridge crew isn't kept entirely distant and anonymous. For instance, the crew sometimes interacts with the captain, Carol Freeman (Dawnn Lewis). "She is sort of trying to do this balancing act that all captains do, where they demand respect and are admired and trusted by the crew, but then they also kind of have to be the bad guy," he says. "And a thing we play with a lot is that the Lower Deckers don't always get all the information they're delegated to, but they don't get to have a voice and they don't get to know the context a lot of the time."


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« Reply #140 on: June 18, 2020, 02:08:08 PM »
What captains were bad guys? Aside from the captains on ships we dont follow, those were mostly assholes because the story needed them to be

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« Reply #141 on: June 18, 2020, 02:16:34 PM »
What captains were bad guys? Aside from the captains on ships we dont follow, those were mostly assholes because the story needed them to be

its how you explain the concept of "authority" to people who had helicopter parents and have never worked a job.
A captain will order people to do stuff that might not involve them living their best life. Because its important to do it. So sometimes they're the Bad Guy.

e: I mean, if part of the pitch for this is that the red shirt crew are a bunch of fucking entitled whiners constantly trying to seek validation from the captain and trying to renegotiate every order for reasons why they need to shut down the warp reactor immediately, because they just finished their shift and it'll take aaaaaages to restart it, and does it have to be right now, that's potentially funny.

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« Reply #142 on: June 18, 2020, 02:24:26 PM »
I'd rather have a show about O'Brien where it's about his suffering aka Keiko and at the end he divorces that bitch and bums Julian.

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« Reply #143 on: June 18, 2020, 02:24:43 PM »
I already imagine what this show is like

"Damnit the captain ordered us to do X again"

"Aww again? That's gonna take FORever!! "

"Well at least we'll have X up and running and we can do X"

"HAHAHAHA"

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Re: Star Trek Thread part 2: The Kurtzman Strikes Back
« Reply #144 on: June 18, 2020, 02:26:04 PM »
I already imagine what this show is like

What's new?

Half of you already pre-conceive your notions period

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« Reply #145 on: June 18, 2020, 02:30:34 PM »
I already imagine what this show is like

What's new?

Half of you already pre-conceive your notions period

So? Why does that matter? I'll watch it and if it's funny I'll love it.

If it's shit I'll just shit on it.

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« Reply #146 on: June 18, 2020, 02:37:03 PM »
It's going to be more Drek what else is new.

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« Reply #147 on: June 18, 2020, 02:42:57 PM »
I already imagine what this show is like

What's new?

Half of you already pre-conceive your notions period

Starfleet might not be a military organisation, but everything from the shows seems to suggest they have a fairly rigorous system of rules of behaviour and conduct for people in its service, which rolling up your uniform sleeves and drinking cocktails on duty probably don't fall under.

As shown in one of the only 2 pieces of promotional material you supply.

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« Reply #148 on: June 18, 2020, 03:30:50 PM »
Every Star Trek fan knows that the actually evil officers in Starfleet don’t stay captains for long at all; they get fast track promoted to Admiral.

Sheesh, next thing you know people will start telling us that Captain Jellico was a villain.

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« Reply #149 on: June 18, 2020, 03:45:49 PM »
No he just had his own command style.

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« Reply #150 on: June 18, 2020, 03:51:50 PM »


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« Reply #151 on: June 18, 2020, 05:06:18 PM »
Every Star Trek fan knows that the actually evil officers in Starfleet don’t stay captains for long at all; they get fast track promoted to Admiral.

Sheesh, next thing you know people will start telling us that Captain Jellico was a villain.

I really don't think they're saying the captain is a bad guy - they're saying it's like when mom is the 'bad guy' and tells you you're grounded until you do your chores.

Except 'mom' is a starfleet captain expecting a degree of professional commitment when lives could be at stake.

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« Reply #153 on: June 23, 2020, 11:15:42 PM »
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« Reply #154 on: June 26, 2020, 03:07:30 PM »
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« Reply #156 on: July 06, 2020, 05:16:37 PM »
Hey, if they learnt from every other failed attempt, including marvels own attempts to combine the mcu with tv shows, go for it.

Which is make a decent standalone film that you need zero prior knowledge to enjoy, and then in an entirely throw away post credits scene suggest there might be more to come.
Then make another decent film, same rules apply.
Then another. Then another.
Then 5 years down the line you have a selection of decent franchises all working fine independently, then bring them together.

Don't churn out some mediocre crap and expect people to buy into it just because there might be a pay off 5 years down the line.

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« Reply #157 on: July 06, 2020, 05:17:29 PM »
How is paramount/cbs so bad at this?  Can’t they just make a new flagship show instead of fucking the OG crew to death with all their reboot bullshit?

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« Reply #158 on: July 06, 2020, 07:06:18 PM »
Goddamn someone buy this off em already.  :yuck

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« Reply #160 on: July 12, 2020, 11:11:51 AM »
Trek and Morty
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« Reply #161 on: July 12, 2020, 11:35:53 AM »
https://streamable.com/ds72si

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« Reply #162 on: July 12, 2020, 11:39:56 AM »
I'd rather have a show about O'Brien where it's about his suffering aka Keiko and at the end he divorces that bitch and bums Julian.

https://chiefobrienatwork.com/
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« Reply #163 on: July 12, 2020, 01:26:19 PM »
I'd rather have a show about O'Brien where it's about his suffering aka Keiko and at the end he divorces that bitch and bums Julian.

https://chiefobrienatwork.com/

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« Reply #164 on: July 13, 2020, 08:38:38 AM »


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« Reply #165 on: July 13, 2020, 08:40:45 AM »
Comments are turned off.

Is this shit supposed to be funny??

Who likes this kind of humor, 12 year olds?

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« Reply #166 on: July 13, 2020, 08:51:20 AM »
Comments are turned off.

Is this shit supposed to be funny??

Who likes this kind of humor, 12 year olds?

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« Reply #167 on: July 13, 2020, 08:51:50 AM »
Cmon dont tell me you thought any of that was funny bork

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« Reply #168 on: July 13, 2020, 09:10:20 AM »
In the interest of not letting this thread get as negative as the last one, I recommend we just ban talk of this cartoon outright.
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« Reply #169 on: July 13, 2020, 09:30:52 AM »
Cmon dont tell me you thought any of that was funny bork



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« Reply #170 on: July 13, 2020, 11:16:34 AM »
TNG season 5 is the best season and Netflix should add a shuffle button to all Trek shows except DS9
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« Reply #172 on: July 13, 2020, 11:22:32 AM »
American animation :neogaf
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« Reply #173 on: July 13, 2020, 11:24:33 AM »
Finally, something all of us can agree on! :rejoice
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« Reply #174 on: July 13, 2020, 11:56:33 AM »
It looks so awful.  They could’ve at least gone the same animation route as the Netflix Castlevanias and make it Trek themed shonen.  Still probably wouldn’t care to watch it, but I’d probably detest it less.

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« Reply #175 on: July 13, 2020, 12:22:09 PM »
It looks so awful.  They could’ve at least gone the same animation route as the Netflix Castlevanias and make it Trek themed shonen.  Still probably wouldn’t care to watch it, but I’d probably detest it less.

American animation do something besides comedy and the occasional super hero show?

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« Reply #177 on: July 13, 2020, 01:14:00 PM »


I would take a Picard-Kun/Sensei please notice me over that shit.

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« Reply #178 on: July 13, 2020, 10:01:18 PM »
I am actually looking forward to it. It looks like fun. I don’t expect everything to be a laugh a minute, but I think it’s a fresh take on the franchise. Might’ve been cooler if they let Seth MacFarlane do it though.

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« Reply #179 on: July 13, 2020, 11:44:15 PM »
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IT COMES DOWN AND IT GOES UP
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