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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #120 on: August 25, 2020, 09:19:12 AM »
Suck it timmy

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« Reply #121 on: August 25, 2020, 11:16:11 AM »
Anyone who invested in Epic must be WTF'ing pretty hard right now including Sony lol

Epic's lawyers claiming devs are already fleeing Unreal in droves... yeah, because your boss is a freak show who puts all of his partners at risk lol
Feels like Tim got just a little bit too greedy, which is weird to say, since the other side of this is Apple,  :lol.
But in this case Epic clearly overplayed their hand.

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« Reply #122 on: August 28, 2020, 06:17:04 PM »
>Epig's account gets nuked
>But not the Game Engine one



Way to cut your nose to spite your face, Timmy.


With the way this is going this will end up with Tim Sweeney jumping from a bridge live on Facebook blaming Apple.

That'd rule so hard.

Epic's lawyers claiming devs are already fleeing Unreal in droves...



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« Reply #123 on: August 28, 2020, 06:29:21 PM »
I think its likely that Apple are going to have to give up something somewhere as their TOS gets scrutinised.

It's not for nothing Facebook just lobbed a softball "Even if we wanted to give something away for free we can't because Apple won't budge on taking their cut" salvo.

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« Reply #124 on: August 28, 2020, 06:39:12 PM »
There will be class actions against Sony/Microsoft the second any court decides Apples practice isn't fair.

Sony and MS aren't demanding 30% of subscription signups if you use Netflix / Spotify etc on a console.
They're also not prohibiting telling customers why free content can;t be given away as "irrelevant information".

Apple really are pulling some shady shit that goes beyond what others are doing, irregardless of how weak Epics position actually is.

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« Reply #125 on: August 28, 2020, 07:05:20 PM »
Neither Sony nor MS would be able to try and strongarm netflix or spotfy into giving up subscription revenues for signups.

Facebook prevented from telling users why they cannot waive a fee on a service due to TOS:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-apple-exclusive/exclusive-facebook-says-apple-rejected-its-attempt-to-tell-users-about-app-store-fees-idUKKBN25O042

again, its not for nothing facebook are publicising this now. They want some scrutiny over those arbitrary TOS.

Apple emails showing they waived fees to get amazon prime on devices where other services did not get that break, because they're bigger than others:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/apple-amazon-facebook-google-internal-emails-released-by-congress.html

"its just the standard fee that applies to everyone, except when its not".


I don't think Epics case has much merit, but you're going to continue seeing grumblings about how Apple handle the appstore, because they'e pulling some shit.
For all I know Tim Sweeneys just being a useful idiot to get some scutiny going on for other companies under the tencent umbrella.
There really is no grounds for Apple claiming subscription revenue for services based on whether they sign up through their phone or not, for the exact same reason it would be nonsensical to try and take a 30% cut of a taxi ride made via uber, a food delivery made through grubhub, or an amazon purchase made via a phone.

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« Reply #126 on: August 28, 2020, 07:09:23 PM »
Is Fortnite totally gone from iOS then?

Why don't you Google News it yourself, so "obnoxious" how you come into threads to condense folks only to not do the work yourself.

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« Reply #127 on: August 28, 2020, 07:47:14 PM »
you can - right now - load up spotify or netflix on a console, sign up as a new user, and it is not done via the PSN storefront or XBL payment page - it goes via a webpage, and Sony / MS do not get any recurring susbcription revenue from you doing that, because it is in their interest to have Spotify / Netflix on their platform.

Apple refuse that behaviour on IOS. Google don't refuse it, but its moot because if they did you would be able to just dl an APK directly from netflix / spotify.

Apple could very easily allow these kinds of apps to offer a web payment page, and give you an option to pay using Apple Pay (where they get their cut) which is a simpler end user experience than entering CC details.

They use a stick not a carrot because they can. It is not a huge fucking surprise a lot of people giving up a lot of revenue in return for not very much in return from Apple do not like that.

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« Reply #128 on: August 28, 2020, 08:26:50 PM »
Well as per the subject of this topic, Fortnite has cross platform progression when linked to an Epic account, therefore your purchases made via the Epic Store carry across to the Xbox and PS4 with Sony / MS not seeing any revenue from that as they only take a cut on purchases made directly through PSN / XBL. That's how.

And to reiterate; I don't think Epics case has much merit, but there are highly questionable and entirely arbitrary things within Apples TOS that won't hold up to much legal scutiny when challenged, which is why various non game developers are chiming in. It's literally nothing to do with Walled Gardens per se; it is to do with Apple specifically as gatekeeper, and the policies they are sole arbiter over.

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« Reply #129 on: August 28, 2020, 10:04:07 PM »
I don't really get how it's moving goalposts to address the subject of the thread - apple removing Fortnite for breaking their rules - to provide examples of where other closed garden ecosystems are not asking for the same conditions that apple are, where other application developers have problems specifically with apples policies, and that other closed ecosystems have not removed fortnite as apple have while you keep whatabouting sony / ms / google when they demonstrably do not have the same policies that apple do, and have accordingly not removed fortnite for breaking those policies (which don't exist)

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« Reply #130 on: August 29, 2020, 02:46:48 PM »
 :steel

Are you a visual learner? Do you need a Venn Diagram to describe the relationship as to why the lawsuit is against Apple and Apple alone, and bringing up other companies that are not part of this lawsuit is irrelevant, because other companies are not exhibiting the same behaviour?

Sony / Nintendo / MS have closed systems but it doesn't matter because they do not have the same policies as Apple do regarding external revenue.
Google has similar policies to Apple regarding external revenue but it doesn't matter because they do not have a closed system.

Apple have a closed system [LOGICAL OPERATOR AND] && have policies prohibiting external revenue.

Epic would be fine with being able to sideload Fortnite on IOS [LOGICAL OPERATOR OR] || being permitted to sell vbucks not via the appstore.
The basis of the lawsuit is they can't do either. On IOS alone. Due to Apple specific policies.

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« Reply #131 on: August 29, 2020, 05:01:40 PM »
I'm literally incapable of dumbing this down any further for you


Epic could not give a single shit about why things are to the left or to the right, they just want apple to move either left or right

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« Reply #132 on: August 29, 2020, 08:08:11 PM »
You two should really just get it over with and fuck.  Get rid of all that tension.

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« Reply #133 on: August 30, 2020, 06:31:55 AM »
I'm literally incapable of dumbing this down any further for you
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Epic could not give a single shit about why things are to the left or to the right, they just want apple to move either left or right

But epic is sueing Google as well  ???
Gulp

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« Reply #134 on: August 30, 2020, 02:22:23 PM »
You two should really just get it over with and fuck.  Get rid of all that tension.
put it on onlyfans :phil
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« Reply #135 on: August 30, 2020, 04:30:13 PM »
Epics sole goal is increasing their revenue percentage.
They're not Linus Torvalds. They have zero interest in any kind of philosophical debate or ideological goal of opening closed systems.
They want more money, thats it.
If you think their ultimate goal is to try and allow all devices to 'sideload' apps, you're wrong.

Theyre not going after console manufacturers because console manufacturers let them sell their product outside of their store for no commission.
Theyd prefer to put google in the same position as the console makers, so they have a similar suit, but its not a joint filing, its 2 separate filings, and I'm sure they're well aware their filing against google has very little weight, but its added pressure to try and push that.
But their primary goal is to move apple away from that spot.

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« Reply #136 on: August 30, 2020, 04:51:29 PM »
- iOS on Fortnite allows content purchased outside of iOS... same as Xbox or Playstation.. 

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« Reply #137 on: August 30, 2020, 07:58:06 PM »
Yo wtf Candy Crush is still that huge?

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« Reply #138 on: August 31, 2020, 06:03:15 AM »
Yes, Epic are suing Google to..

Honestly, the actual lawsuit about 95% applies to Sony/Microsoft:

https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/apple-complaint-734589783.pdf

The lawsuit is basically "Apple collects fees on all in-app purchases and doesn't allow competing app stores".

There's barely anything UNIQUE to Apple that doesn't apply to Sony and Microsoft.. and the reality is that MS's/Sony's practices are far WORSE in relation to most of what is being said here.    They enact more control overall, not less, than Apple does.

Epic going after only cell phone OS makers is pretty damn arbitrary.  While they are likely to fail, if somehow they do win.. unless the ruling only cites Apple-specific complaints like not allowing apps to tell users they can pay elsewhere, it's a ruling that could haunt console manufacturers.

I think the best path to win for Epic is Apple and Google being forced to allow other stores on iOS and Android. Mainly for a lack of competition in those markets. The 30% cut doesn't really matter, that's just an arbitrary number.

With consoles the situation is very different. There is a lot of risk and competition in the console market (MS is all time probably still in the red, Sony wiped out their profits from gen 1 + 2 with the PS3, for Nintendo every system is all or nothing situation; market leadership and revenue greatly varies by country and console generations). And of course there are tons of other markets and competition for games. From smartphones to the gazillion pc launchers to browser games. Minecraft became a billion dollar franchise without the use of any launcher. The media apps like Netflix or Spotify obviously can be accessed from tons of other devices, some behind gatekeepers, some not. Then there are the streaming apps that allow new competitors like Google to enter the market. Console makers being just as bad or worse with their business tactics doesn't matter as long as there is competition in the video games market.

So I think Epic doesn't include the console makers in legal action because it would shift away focus from the mono/duopoly that exits in the smartphone app market towards the videogame market where a ton of competition exists. The biggest problem for Epic is probably, that you can sideload on Android and that the Galaxy store exists on probably more than 100 million devices. Although I guess they would cite their own lack  of success with those two possibilities that there isn't really competition even on the theoretically open Android market .
Gulp

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« Reply #139 on: August 31, 2020, 07:25:10 AM »
Tons of competition in the gaming market? Who else besides Sony and Xbox? Ninty hardly factors into the race most of the time

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« Reply #140 on: September 02, 2020, 03:05:55 AM »
Nobodies trying to overturn the concept of closed systems or trying to get access to source code.
Where Apple are vulnerable on anti-trust is their over reach concerning revenue from thin clients.
Fortnite is not a thin client, so their claims are mostly bullshit, but Apple could easily have avoided this by not being so greedy and just allowing complimentary purchases to be valid.

But where Apples defence about providing the underlying tech so needing to earn a cut of any purchases fails is where app developers are providing whats basically a compiled webpage to access data that is wholly seperate to anything provided by Apple, where an iDevice is just a platform to access that data or services.
Literally nobody except Apple is pushing for a cut of all extraneous revenue streams, which is the basis of the lawsuit by Spotify, the basis for supporting statements by Facebook / MS / Match Group et al, the reason Valve had to make a special IOS specfici version of Steamlink removing any storefront, the reason XCloud Gamepass won't be there, and the recent embarassing u-turn about WordPress.

It's like Comcast demanding a subscription fee cut for people buying things on webpages because they provide underlying network infrastructure to allow people to use the internet in the first place.
It's insanely greedy, and frankly indefensible rent seeking behaviour that is going to be very difficult to persuade a jury as to why a business built using nothing to do with Apple should have to share revenue just to allow existing customers access on an Apple device.

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« Reply #141 on: September 02, 2020, 06:33:11 PM »
Fuck Apple

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« Reply #142 on: September 05, 2020, 12:58:24 PM »


https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/9/5/21423889/fortnite-epic-apple-preliminary-injunction-filing-ios-mac

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But in the new filing, Epic argues that more than its reputation has been harmed: “Daily active users on iOS have declined by over 60% since Fortnite’s removal from the App Store,” Epic claims. (It measured through September 2nd, in case you’re curious; by that point Fortnite had effectively split into two different games.)

Epic says iOS is the biggest platform for Fortnite, too: 116 million registered users, or nearly a third of the 350 million registered users Epic says Fortnite has attracted in total. It also claims 63 percent of Fortnite users on iOS access Fortnite only on iOS, and that it’s the only way for many people to play the game.

Epic says it’s worried it “may never see these users again” (referring to the 60 percent decline); that its Fortnite community of players has been torn apart; and that some of its non-Fortnite customers have also been collateral damage. As we reported last week, some of Epic’s other games are no longer available to re-download, and Epic says that its Shadow Complex Remastered has been removed from the Mac App Store, too, after Apple terminated Epic’s developer account.

Epic also claims that Apple is threatening to deny any attempts to apply for a new developer account “for at least a year,” quoting a communication from Apple itself, and is arguing that the harm it would endure by being “denied the opportunity to access even a single new user among the one-billion-plus iOS users for at least the next year” is harm worth creating a preliminary injunction for.



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Epic argues that more than its reputation has been harmed: “Daily active users on iOS have declined by over 60% since Fortnite’s removal from the App Store,” Epic claims. (It measured through September 2nd, in case you’re curious;[/u] by that point Fortnite had effectively split into two different games.)

Epic says iOS is the biggest platform for Fortnite, too: 116 million registered users, or nearly a third of the 350 million registered users Epic says Fortnite has attracted in total. It also claims 63 percent of Fortnite users on iOS access Fortnite only on iOS, and that it’s the only way for many people to play the game.

Epic says it’s worried it “may never see these users again” (referring to the 60 percent decline);
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"All you have to do is take out your circumvention and TOS-violating Epig store sale option, Timmy."



>Timmy continuing to do a stupid and fuck over his company for Tencent


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« Reply #143 on: September 10, 2020, 06:29:53 PM »


>Timmy continuing to do a stupid and fuck over his company for Tencent



OH HEY MENTION TENCENT OF THE DEVIL:

http://www.fosspatents.com/2020/09/apple-sees-chinese-giant-tencent-behind.html

(Scribd/Legal Docs included)

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While Google announced that it would seek the dismissal of Epic's complaint over the Play Store, Apple's filing says the iPhone maker "looks forward to defending against Epic's baseless claims."

:neogaf Timmy doing a stupid. :neogaf

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On the basis of its counterclaims, which are largely based in contract law but also invoke California Unfair Competition Law, Apple seeks damages and "demands a trial by jury on all issues so triable."



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The following paragraph is the most interesting one to me--and I wouldn't be surprised to see some references to China in next year's trial:

"Not content with attacking Apple's app review process, Epic, backed by the tech giant Tencent (which has its own competing app store, one of the largest in the world), also seeks to dismantle the App Store's entire business model to advance its own economic interests without regard to the effect on other developers and consumers."

Tencent owns other games companies as well, such as Supercell (Clash of Clans, Hay Day etc.). And here's a link to Tencent's app store.



>Timmy burning money for Tencent


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« Reply #144 on: September 10, 2020, 06:58:35 PM »
HoegLaw’s youtube channel has been doing excellent breakdowns of the legal filings for this case, and I highly recommend them.

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« Reply #145 on: September 15, 2020, 02:30:45 PM »
Linus weighs his dumbass face into the situation






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« Reply #146 on: September 15, 2020, 05:30:19 PM »
Nintendo: wow, can't believe Apple would just ban Fortnite like that  :pika

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« Reply #147 on: September 18, 2020, 01:52:11 AM »
Apple trying to murder all UE4 dev on iOS:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/09/apple-asks-to-block-ios-unreal-engine-development-in-new-court-filing/

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Apple says it wants to close all of Epic's accounts in part to prevent what it calls a "shell game" of apps being transferred from one developer account to another. But Apple says it's also because the company now sees Epic's Unreal Engine as a "potential threat" that "poses as a second potential 'trojan horse' that would enable Epic to carry through on its threats to undermine the App Store and insert further unauthorized features."

That's right, use UE4 on iOS to make your game and Epic will sneak in secret code on deployment to undermine the App Store, those sneaky boogers

Haha fuck both parties but seriously fuck Apple the most

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« Reply #148 on: September 18, 2020, 12:37:57 PM »
Apple trying to murder all UE4 dev on iOS:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/09/apple-asks-to-block-ios-unreal-engine-development-in-new-court-filing/

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Apple says it wants to close all of Epic's accounts in part to prevent what it calls a "shell game" of apps being transferred from one developer account to another. But Apple says it's also because the company now sees Epic's Unreal Engine as a "potential threat" that "poses as a second potential 'trojan horse' that would enable Epic to carry through on its threats to undermine the App Store and insert further unauthorized features."

That's right, use UE4 on iOS to make your game and Epic will sneak in secret code on deployment to undermine the App Store, those sneaky boogers

Haha fuck both parties but seriously fuck Apple the most

I mean, you're a developer so obviously you're gonna side with Epic on this. But: Apple's defense has merit in terms of "TOS bypassing." As ludicrous as it would be for Epic to do that, it's entirely possible for them to do that and try to save their business on the platform (since Fortnite bled 60% of it's players since this started) and give other developers running UE4 on iPhone access to updates/etc if they can't test it on Apple's platform without Epic involvement.

Maybe you should be angry at Timmy for puling a stupid and getting into a war that he was ill prepared for.

Maybe he should sue Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo next for being a "monopoly" on their platforms? :girlaff

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« Reply #149 on: September 18, 2020, 02:08:50 PM »
Maybe he should sue Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo next for being a "monopoly" on their platforms? :girlaff

like I said upthread, epic don't care about that, because they don't care if some of the moneys comes from an alternate source, because it being on their platform adds value to that platform, and a significant chunk of people will just buy via the console store and give that cut anyway due to convenience.

Apple really are being the bigger dicks here.

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« Reply #150 on: September 19, 2020, 07:41:33 AM »
Why wouldnt they push for an Epic Store on consoles if it would serve them?

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« Reply #151 on: September 19, 2020, 09:33:44 AM »
Why wouldnt they push for an Epic Store on consoles if it would serve them?

most money for least effort is just consolidating all of their different audiences to their one existing store, as they currently do.
running multiple concurrent stores all selling the same thing is more effort for no more revenue.

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« Reply #152 on: September 24, 2020, 12:27:01 PM »
https://appfairness.org/

So like I said above, although I don't believe epics claim in particular has much merit, it does touch on underlying issues affecting other service providers that are effectively using an iPhone as a thin client and are unhappy with the revenue demands apple are making accordingly, given what service Apple provides for that cut (which is *exists*).

There are some pretty big names weighing in on this, and presumably lobbying accordingly.

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« Reply #153 on: September 29, 2020, 06:00:08 AM »
Lmao Epic destroyed by judge  :lol

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« Reply #154 on: September 29, 2020, 08:17:55 AM »
Lmao Epic destroyed by judge  :lol

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« Reply #157 on: September 29, 2020, 01:42:57 PM »
Sounds like Nintendo Ninja's got to the judge and she argues everyone can just buy a Switch to play Fortnite  :miyamoto
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« Reply #158 on: September 29, 2020, 03:16:58 PM »
Yeah, uhh.. that's what I was saying in this thread lol

GreatSage, thoughts?

I know you're convinced Epic are tying to overthrow the concept of Walled Gardens (even though they're not suing any console manufacturers), but the Judge doesn't believe that any more than they (or Apple) believe that adding a payment store is a "security risk" even though that's what Apple are claiming.

Epic want more money, that's literally it.
It is transparently obvious what their end goal is from their "app fairness" consortium; they want Apple to behave like a payment processor, not a storefront.
Also, again, Epics case is weak in this area - hey, maybe thats why they tried to prop it up with additional stuff they dont really believe or give a shit about! - but 'thin client' service providers case is a lot stronger.

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« Reply #159 on: September 29, 2020, 03:41:25 PM »
They have one actual complaint, that they can't get around a 30% payment processing / storefront / whatever you want to call it fee on IOS.

That's not "worse" on consoles. Because they can bypass it on consoles.

They do not give a shit about walled gardens, on the basis that they are walled gardens. They don't want fortnite-all-skins-unlocker sat next to fortnite on a storefront.

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« Reply #160 on: September 29, 2020, 04:45:10 PM »
They can't, and don't, bypass it on consoles.. hence what the judge said.. and what I've been saying.. JFC..

 :doge

I don't know why you continue to deny facts
https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/the-fortnite-mega-drop-permanent-discounts-up-to-20-percent

Buy skins directly from Epic, don't pay shit to MS / Sony / Nintendo - that is what they want on IOS.
Like, I made a fucking venn diagram when you claimed this before, go back and reread

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PC AND CONSOLE SAVINGS
Starting today, any V-Bucks or real-money offers you purchase on PlayStation 4, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, PC, and Mac are now discounted by up to 20%. You don’t need to do anything!

The 20% discount comes from not paying the platform holders 30%, jfc

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« Reply #161 on: September 29, 2020, 05:18:16 PM »
Where does it say that Epic are no longer paying fees to the console platform holders?  All I’m seeing in that linked PR piece is that Epic chose to reduce the cost of purchasing their digital monopoly money, not that the platform holders are seeing a lesser percentage than before.

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« Reply #162 on: September 29, 2020, 05:28:48 PM »
Where does it say that Epic are no longer paying fees to the console platform holders?  All I’m seeing in that linked PR piece is that Epic chose to reduce the cost of purchasing their digital monopoly money, not that the platform holders are seeing a lesser percentage than before.

They are still paying for their devkits etc, but Sony / MS / Nintendo only take a cut of transactions made through their storefront.
The pennies on the dollar they miss out on from people willing to go buy a code from a website instead of just hitting the "buy now" button inn game using their stored credit card is made up for by having a popular game on their service.
Apple are too fucking greedy to come to the same realisation.

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« Reply #163 on: September 29, 2020, 05:49:20 PM »

Why in the world do you think the consoles don't charge 30%?  Because Epic gave a discount on consoles?  lol

Like you are so ignorant of how this shit works.. they do charge 30%.

Sony makes most of their revenue from MTX...

jfc, I literally cannot dumb this down any further.
You get a 20% discount on consoles by not buying through the console owners storefront but going through epic instead.
Epic get bigger cut. Platform owner does not get cut.
It's "up to" 20% because: buy from console storefront = no discount.
Buy from Epic using payment method Epic likes (ie costs them nothing) = 20%
Buy from Epic using payment method that costs Epic money = sliding scale of putting those charges onto purchaser first.

It doesn't fucking "work like that on IOS", because - as I fucking posted before - THE NAME OF THIS THREAD is "APPLE REMOVES FORTNITE FROM APPLE STORE".

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« Reply #164 on: September 29, 2020, 05:53:55 PM »
Fuck you you dumb gaslighting piece of shit.

hence why I include the past tense.. as I explained to you several times,

iOS/Apple allows content purchased from outside their store

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Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store

I question your functional literacy skills

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #165 on: September 29, 2020, 05:57:13 PM »
Like the topic it’s based on, this thread has devolved into two giant assholes bitch slapping each other.  I love it! :aah

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #166 on: September 29, 2020, 06:25:24 PM »
Allowed = past tense, referring to Fortnite

Allows = current tense, for games that didn't get their dumbasses pulled from Apples store

These aren't Fortnite specific rules after all you stupid cunt.

edit: Actually I said worked/works you dumb motherfucker

 ::)

Apple don't allow that, that is literally the basis for them pulling it from their appstore, the basis of the lawsuit, and the basis of the complaints made by all of the other service providing apps who are not allowed to bypass the Appstore for payments... Like, do you even understand what this case is about on even a rough surface level?

Or are you going to actually read the TOS then claim I'm 'gaslighting' you, like when you said you can't sign up to Netflix on a console without going through the storefront, or how you can't purchase fortnite items on console without going through the storefront?

It's not "fortnite specific rules" that Apple don't allow purchases that bypass them taking a cut; it is literally the foundation of the case.

READ THE FUCKING OP, CHRIST

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #167 on: September 30, 2020, 12:12:13 PM »
Battle it out in a game of Fortnite to settle your differences!

 :klob
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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #168 on: September 30, 2020, 12:32:07 PM »
ENTP personality types am I right guys???  :whatsthedeal

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #169 on: September 30, 2020, 12:55:51 PM »
Here you go you dumb biaaattchhh:

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/

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3.1.3(b) Multiplatform Services: Apps that operate across multiple platforms may allow users to access content, subscriptions, or features they have acquired in your app on other platforms or your web site, including consumable items in multi-platform games, provided those items are also available as in-app purchases within the app.

I've been telling you from the start you have no clue how any of this shit works.. I love how the only thing I got wrong, that Netflix has a link on PS4/Xbox that opens a browser window to subscribe gets thrown in my face lol.. meanwhile everything else about a console works about the same as it does on iOS.  (except console manufacturers charge devs WAY MORE realistically due to certification fees in the 10's of thousands)

And as I pointed out before.... and maybe you'll actually read this now:

PS4 was the only version of Fortnite that initially locked users into purchases only on Playstation.  You couldn't even use your account at all outside of PS4, no buying content outside of PS4, etc... oh and yeah Sony charges 30%.   Epic eventually got Sony to fix that, well after Fortnite's release.

Oh, well, if those policies don't exist its a slam dunk win for Epic then.

Please also tell more historical anecdotes about companies not involved in this lawsuit, they are super relevant.

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #170 on: September 30, 2020, 02:15:10 PM »
settle down girls :cenk

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #171 on: September 30, 2020, 03:50:36 PM »
At this point, I’m not sure which I visit this thread for more: Sleazy Tim vs Apple, or the beef between Riotous and GreatSage.

It has been quite entertaining.   :itagaki

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #172 on: September 30, 2020, 04:24:13 PM »
Perhaps, but we got together and discussed it and decided that every interaction between you specifically and others in the forum must always be classified as a “beef”.  Similar to German beer laws, in a very loose sense of the notion.

For example, right now you and I are beefing.

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #173 on: September 30, 2020, 05:48:51 PM »
Apple and Epic agree that they don't want a Jury Trial  :lol

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During Monday's hearing on Epic's request for an injunction that would force Apple to return Fortnite to the iOS App Store while the legal action between them proceeds, the judge presiding over the matter said she'd prefer that the lawsuit be tried in front of a jury. In a filing made the following day, Epic and Apple were actually able to find common ground on something: They'd prefer not to bring a jury into it.

"During the September 28, 2020, hearing on Epic’s Motion for a Preliminary Injunction, the Court indicated that it '[did not] want to try two cases' and was 'inclined to try both cases at once,' and asked the parties to inform the Court by 5:00 PM PT on September 29, 2020, whether either party demands a jury trial," the filing states.

"Epic and Apple have met and conferred, and the parties agree that Epic’s claims and Apple’s counterclaims should be tried by the Court, and not by a jury. Therefore, with Epic’s consent, Apple hereby withdraws its demand for a jury trial pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 38(d). The parties respectfully request that the case (including any claims and counterclaims) proceed to a bench trial on a schedule determined by the Court."

The comment about "two cases" is a reminder that there actually two separate actions going on here: Epic's lawsuit against Apple over "monopolistic practices" on the App Store, and Apple's breach of contract countersuit against Epic. Apple had initially demanded a trial by jury in its lawsuit.

A bench trial is one in which a judge, rather than a jury, hears the case and delivers a finding. The American Bar Association says that despite what you may have seen on television, bench trials are actually more common in civil matters than jury trials. In theory, a judge should be better equipped to follow complex legal arguments than a jury.

A trial date has not yet been set, but the judge in the case said yesterday that it likely won't take place until July 2021.

If Apple and Epic can agree on something riotous and GreatSageEqualOfHeaven should make up too

You know, squash that beef

MMaRsu

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #174 on: September 30, 2020, 05:54:04 PM »
legit footage of riotous and GreatSage


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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #176 on: February 24, 2021, 07:19:17 PM »
That seems like a really bad idea.  I’d expect nothing less from clown shoes Timmy.

Also: did Riotous get ultra-nuked?

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #177 on: February 26, 2021, 08:10:33 AM »
Please also tell more historical anecdotes about companies not involved in this lawsuit, they are super relevant.

Apparently historical records of companies not even involved in this fucking lawsuit ARE super relevant to this case, because Apple are now subpoenaing Valve, Sony, MS, Nintendo, Amazon and Samsung for full financial records of apps sold, revenue generated, profits made, etc etc etc

:mindblown

Absolute fucking insane overreach by Apple

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Also: did Riotous get ultra-nuked?

He'd managed to beef with everyone on the bore and had to leave to find new beef targets

MMaRsu

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #178 on: February 27, 2021, 06:24:44 AM »
Valve and console makers have also been subpoenad or whatever for the case against Epic

Valve has already been forced to produce sales data for over 400 games

I still think Epic is gonna Epicly lose the case

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Re: Apple Removes Fortnite from the App Store
« Reply #179 on: February 27, 2021, 08:36:00 AM »
Is there any outcome to this case that doesn't result in virtually the entire rest of the industry rolling their eyes at Epic and shunning them in response? They seem to be excessively all in on what's ultimately a temporary big money maker. Oh and Apple's subpoenas are obviously fucking everyone off too.
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