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« Reply #10200 on: December 27, 2021, 05:41:13 PM »
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Why am I not surprised Melonie Mac, as a centrist (she used to identify as a republican), reacts and hangs out with right wing trolls. Like it's hard to take what she is saying in good faith. When she conflates sexy and sexualised, it's muddying the waters. She often goes on rants about the "woke left" on her YouTube and Twitter. She's often been signal boosted by KotakuInAction, The Quartering, and other right wing gaming sites. Just to give context and to not make this thread about these two folks.
This is almost a perfect textbook example of ad hominem.

All to dismiss the opinion of a woman. Is sabrina okay?

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« Reply #10201 on: December 27, 2021, 05:41:27 PM »
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« Reply #10202 on: December 27, 2021, 05:49:33 PM »
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Okay but like,

What if she's telling the truth in regards to that statement? What if she and almost every other women she knows enjoy playing as those kinds of characters? Should that not be considered at all?
Ancedotal experience being used to deny a systemic issue is a tried and true dismissive tactic. Also those other women aren't there to corroborate her views so they're being used as argument ammo here basically.

Funny how anecdotal experience is never an issue when someone claims "This is why women don't play games" etc.

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« Reply #10203 on: December 27, 2021, 05:56:54 PM »
listen 👏 to 👏 women 👏

but not that one, that one, orrrr... that one

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« Reply #10204 on: December 27, 2021, 06:15:12 PM »
As a male feminist ally, I'd love to dick down Aloy's fat ass.
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« Reply #10205 on: December 27, 2021, 06:33:50 PM »
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is a centrist (she used to identify as a republican),

Has to be satirical at this point.

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« Reply #10206 on: December 27, 2021, 06:54:15 PM »
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Okay but like,

What if she's telling the truth in regards to that statement? What if she and almost every other women she knows enjoy playing as those kinds of characters? Should that not be considered at all?
Ancedotal experience being used to deny a systemic issue is a tried and true dismissive tactic. Also those other women aren't there to corroborate her views so they're being used as argument ammo here basically.

Funny how anecdotal experience is never an issue when someone claims "This is why women don't play games" etc.
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« Reply #10207 on: December 27, 2021, 07:01:21 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-else-just-not-identify-with-the-race-ethnicity-they-see-when-looking-in-the-mirror.532429/

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So I have always been seen as just a "white guy" despite the fact that both my parents are from Cuba and have a mix of Spanish and European blood.

 :hmm

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« Reply #10208 on: December 27, 2021, 07:18:14 PM »
Thread needs to do some research on the fact that Hispanic/Latino is a made-up U.S. Census designation based on piling a bunch of origins of birth together. It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity as typically understood. Many Latinx are white by most other standards.

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« Reply #10209 on: December 27, 2021, 07:23:55 PM »
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Omg, I am also a white Cuban!


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In the 2012 Census of Cuba, 64.1% of the inhabitants self-identified as white.

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Spanish people are also European though, so what you are saying doesn't make any sense. Did you mean "a mix of Spanish and other European"
It is no wonder that people consider you white, as generally Europeans are all considered "white".
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10210 on: December 27, 2021, 07:26:43 PM »
Resetera is a place that thinks Kratos is a POC because he's Greek

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« Reply #10211 on: December 27, 2021, 08:06:21 PM »
Maybe they subscribe to this meme:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nordic-mediterranean

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« Reply #10212 on: December 27, 2021, 08:10:30 PM »
Those sluts are at it again!
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-op-ed-video-game-industry-struggles-to-shake-sexist-attitudes-tae-kim.532267/post-79337746

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That said, I'd say Aloy is still leaning towards the "Victoria's Secret pages" more than not. Some of the outfits expose skin and she's still very slim and fit and conventionally attractive. Very modern Lara-esque for sure.

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Some of the outfits expose skin
UGH!!

And how do they react when a woman feels differently?

https://twitter.com/MelonieMac/status/1475526193424306191

Quote from: Messo
Why am I not surprised Melonie Mac, as a centrist (she used to identify as a republican), reacts and hangs out with right wing trolls. Like it's hard to take what she is saying in good faith. When she conflates sexy and sexualised, it's muddying the waters. She often goes on rants about the "woke left" on her YouTube and Twitter. She's often been signal boosted by KotakuInAction, The Quartering, and other right wing gaming sites. Just to give context and to not make this thread about these two folks.

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Imagine posting drivel from a bad faith dipshit who rails against SJWs as "a valid opinion"

Meanwhile lets ignore how the article is basically an ad for Horizon that ignores every other game that features non sexualized protagonists.
https://twitter.com/firstadopter/status/1475474121941258248
 :exxy

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10213 on: December 27, 2021, 08:33:33 PM »
Those sluts are at it again!
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-op-ed-video-game-industry-struggles-to-shake-sexist-attitudes-tae-kim.532267/post-79337746

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That said, I'd say Aloy is still leaning towards the "Victoria's Secret pages" more than not. Some of the outfits expose skin and she's still very slim and fit and conventionally attractive. Very modern Lara-esque for sure.

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Some of the outfits expose skin
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« Reply #10215 on: December 27, 2021, 09:10:47 PM »
There’s a reason why 99% of the people complaining about female characters being too revealing in video games are either beta males, unattractive / overweight chicks, or incels in dresses. No one ever dares point this out because you’d get buried for it but everyone not in those three groups is thinking it.
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« Reply #10216 on: December 27, 2021, 09:41:14 PM »
Lindsay Ellis quits content creation because of cancel culture

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/

Wonder how long it will take for one of them scream that cancel culture doesn't exist

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« Reply #10217 on: December 27, 2021, 09:52:44 PM »
Post #6
https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/#post-79361945
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Sorry, lot of text to get through. But did something else happen or is this related to that Raya thing a few months back?
I think it's all related to the fallout of that, with her saying she got "cancelled".
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« Reply #10218 on: December 27, 2021, 10:14:42 PM »
Lindsay Ellis quits content creation because of cancel culture

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/

Wonder how long it will take for one of them scream that cancel culture doesn't exist

How badly do you think incelsiorlef wants to post in that thread :heh
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10219 on: December 27, 2021, 10:34:23 PM »

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« Reply #10220 on: December 27, 2021, 10:36:55 PM »
She'll be biting her pillow in rage every time she sees an opinion she can't report

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« Reply #10221 on: December 27, 2021, 11:08:57 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/
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Correct me if I’m wrong but did this forum not too also jump down her throat as well?
It depends on what you mean by jumping down her throat, I think most people displayed a justifiable disappointment, I don't recall seeing anyone harassing her or going so hard to the point where they were trying to make her physically and emotionally sick over it on here. I feel like most people just were looking for her to apologize and do better moving forward and examine some potential blind spots that we all have. She engaged in some things where criticism and disappointment was absolutely warranted and nobody is wrong for feeling that way, or for moving on from her content or expressing their frustration, I wouldn't be surprised unfortunately if some people on the internet took it real far.
This was for saying "if you squint" in the context of people making absurd leaps of logic which was then painted as anti-Asian hate rhetoric because it was in a discussion about a movie with Asian characters.

You'll be unsurprised to find Slayven and other prominent members championing this theory immediately in the original thread.

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« Reply #10222 on: December 27, 2021, 11:10:20 PM »
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This really isn't the place for this discussion probably, but it's less about 'giving wins' to bad faith actors as much as understanding what the definition of something has become. "Cancel culture" is a term that was popularized and adopted specifically by conservatives and far right actors that means a group of individuals (specifically liberals/minorities/SJWs/Jews/etc.) that roam all corners of the internet to attack vaguely defined conservative ideals. That's what cancel culture is now to the majority of people who use it unironically. Much like 'fake news' became a new coded slang for 'the liberal/jew media' despite originally just being a benign term that literally meant news that is not real.
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« Reply #10223 on: December 27, 2021, 11:10:46 PM »
Will they now believe cancel culture is a 'thing' now that they helped run Lindsa Ellis offline?

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« Reply #10224 on: December 27, 2021, 11:12:25 PM »
Lindsay Ellis quits content creation because of cancel culture

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/

Wonder how long it will take for one of them scream that cancel culture doesn't exist

She contributed to it for years and the fact that she still pretends it was the “scary Pseudo progressive white male”.

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ility - just more ammunition to be used against me later. I regret every time I ever tried to play the game with peers and colleagues - they will drop you the second you aren't popular on Twitter anymore. It's all hollow and brittle, and if there is one thing I have learned this year it is how eminently expendable I am. The good, progressive cis, straight, wealthy white men keep on trucking and coming out on top because deep down, they know that the systems they profess to stand against ultimately exist to benefit them.

Got burn out but still not naming names .

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« Reply #10225 on: December 27, 2021, 11:13:20 PM »
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I understand where people who look at a situation like Ellis' and say 'well, cancel culture is real,' but it ignores the context of why that term was popularized and by whom, and what most people mean when they really talk about 'cancel culture'. Almost no one with any sense is going to deny that internet mobbing like this doesn't happen. Long before anyone coined the term 'cancel culture,' women, minorities, LGBT, etc. where being harassed in the early days of the internet and social media in the same way they are now, and that's not deniable. I think you can have the discussion about internet mobbing (and I do think there is a lot to the idea that some people are overzealous can do self-reflection) and its impact without attaching it to a loaded term like 'cancel culture' and all the baggage that comes with it.
So it's real but don't use the phrases the bad people also use.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10226 on: December 27, 2021, 11:17:28 PM »
Lindsay Ellis quits content creation because of cancel culture

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/

Wonder how long it will take for one of them scream that cancel culture doesn't exist
Many in that thread pretending ERA isn't completely part of that mob she talks about.  :lol

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She contributed to it for years and the fact that she still pretends it was the “scary Pseudo progressive white male”.
She should've learned from the parable of Darth Evilore the Wise.  ::)

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« Reply #10227 on: December 27, 2021, 11:21:03 PM »
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You pretty much summed up what I wanted to say myself better then I could have.
What happened to Lindsey wasn't "cancel culture" it was dogpiling imo.

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« Reply #10228 on: December 27, 2021, 11:26:03 PM »
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You pretty much suhttp://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=3016033;topic=48241.10200#mmed up what I wanted to say myself better then I could have.
What happened to Lindsey wasn't "cancel culture" it was dogpiling imo.

 :brain

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They are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to to say this isn't cancel culture :lol
They are so obsessed about not giving the "bad actors" a "win"

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« Reply #10229 on: December 27, 2021, 11:28:25 PM »
And of course you got RedMercury, most outspoken proponent of internet mobbing on ERA, in there doing his best to downplay ERA's role in this.

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« Reply #10230 on: December 27, 2021, 11:29:13 PM »
She's not being cancelled, she's choosing to end her public career that she can never escape.

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« Reply #10231 on: December 27, 2021, 11:32:38 PM »
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« Reply #10232 on: December 28, 2021, 12:05:27 AM »
It wasn't cancel culture, it was "erasure mentality". :ufup

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« Reply #10233 on: December 28, 2021, 12:09:07 AM »
She'll be biting her pillow in rage every time she sees an opinion she can't report
I'm temp locking this
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« Reply #10234 on: December 28, 2021, 12:10:10 AM »
Is it really cancel culture if her entire audience was made up of these sad, sadistic sacks of shit?  I just looked up the whole catalyst for this drama and...a Last Airbender comparison?  I thought she used the N word or something.  There must have been something she was doing that ensured she created an audience of just fucked up, crazy people.


edit:  Nevermind.  Watched a little bit of this interview and apparently it wasn't just her crazy-person audience.   
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10235 on: December 28, 2021, 12:15:47 AM »
yall the same

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« Reply #10236 on: December 28, 2021, 12:59:13 AM »
She contributed to it for years
https://twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1475560170713333762
Context and summary for people unfamiliar: I recently collaborated with someone who made transphobic posts years ago, but deleted those posts years ago. I wasn't aware until the video was complete.

What happened?
First up: I had no idea about this during production. I know Jill because I’ve made stuff for the network she was a part of, Standard. It’s a diverse network that includes several major trans YouTube creators and a lot of other allies. So something like “old transphobic posts” was far, far outside my expectations. I took her membership there as a “this person’s all clear” signal, and didn’t make any further searches before suggesting the video idea.

I understand that, partly as a result of this, Jill has just resigned from Standard.

...

What should I do?
So far I have been asked by different people to:

delete the video quietly
delete the video loudly
mark the video as ‘unlisted’
keep the video up but make another video
keep the video up but add an apology
keep the video up and add context, but not an apology
release a public statement
not do anything publicly at all, but apologise privately to people who ask

All those options are mutually exclusive, and each one will appease a few people and anger many more — no doubt including people who haven’t got the full context and are reacting based on several-versions-deep retellings, and people who hadn’t heard about it until reading this and are upset at finding out that my views don’t align with theirs. There is no good option, only the least worst.

So yesterday I did what I should have done earlier, and explicitly asked Jill if those deleted posts do still reflect her views. Her reply is complicated. I’m being vague because trying to summarise would be inaccurate and unfair, and would also spark unhelpful, endless debate. Talking — or not talking — publicly about her views is Jill’s decision to make. I hope she does eventually, and I hope there’s an apology involved, but I can’t do that here and I can’t do that for her.

In summary: no, Jill does not seem to hold all the views that people are ascribing to her, and I don’t believe she holds views that justify taking down an already-published video and disavowing her. But there are some things I definitely disagree with, and some things that are so far outside my sphere of knowledge that I would need to spend days or weeks researching before feeling even vaguely qualified to discuss them privately, let alone publicly.

So what am I doing about it?
Looking at the early AdSense numbers from YouTube, I estimate the video will make about $2,000 in ad revenue over its lifetime. Most of that has already happened. So I’m donating that amount to the Trevor Project. They're rated as “give with confidence” by Charity Navigator, and seem to be the most effective charity for helping LGBTQ youth. I'm also donating the same amount, £1,500, to Childline, the UK support network for children run by the NSPCC, which actively supports LGBTQ youth and which, as a charity, is dear to my heart. If the video ever earns more than that total, I’ll top up the donation, either to those charities, or to other appropriate ones.

A link to this page is also going above the fold in the description of the video.

For some people, this won’t be enough. For some people, this will already be too much. Like I said: there’s no good option, only the least worst.

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« Reply #10237 on: December 28, 2021, 03:11:19 AM »
There's no way these people don't keep massive online dossiers of "problematic" behavior of strangers. How obsessed do you have to be to go after a Youtuber you don't watch, because they did a single video with some other minor Youtuber you never watched, who said something in a deleted Tumblr post several years ago.

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« Reply #10238 on: December 28, 2021, 03:43:37 AM »
Those sluts are at it again!
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-op-ed-video-game-industry-struggles-to-shake-sexist-attitudes-tae-kim.532267/post-79337746

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That said, I'd say Aloy is still leaning towards the "Victoria's Secret pages" more than not. Some of the outfits expose skin and she's still very slim and fit and conventionally attractive. Very modern Lara-esque for sure.

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Some of the outfits expose skin
UGH!!

And how do they react when a woman feels differently?

https://twitter.com/MelonieMac/status/1475526193424306191

Quote from: Messo
Why am I not surprised Melonie Mac, as a centrist (she used to identify as a republican), reacts and hangs out with right wing trolls. Like it's hard to take what she is saying in good faith. When she conflates sexy and sexualised, it's muddying the waters. She often goes on rants about the "woke left" on her YouTube and Twitter. She's often been signal boosted by KotakuInAction, The Quartering, and other right wing gaming sites. Just to give context and to not make this thread about these two folks.

Quote from: Morrigan(aka. I despise nothing more than women who disagree with me on sexy characters)
Imagine posting drivel from a bad faith dipshit who rails against SJWs as "a valid opinion"

Meanwhile lets ignore how the article is basically an ad for Horizon that ignores every other game that features non sexualized protagonists.

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Aloy is a lot more sexualized in Genshin than she is in Horizon.


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« Reply #10239 on: December 28, 2021, 03:59:16 AM »
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Aloy is a lot more sexualized in Genshin than she is in Horizon. They gave her heels on her boots and made her pants ridiculously tight.

But she's not even wearing heels???


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« Reply #10240 on: December 28, 2021, 06:41:01 AM »
Breast-waist-hips gets these incels in a tizzy.
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« Reply #10242 on: December 28, 2021, 07:06:58 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/page-5#post-79365863
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In interest of diverting the attempted thread derail...

Lindsay is at least somewhat responsible for my wife and I meeting. Like a lot of people my age, I watched a ton of her content on TGWTG. It actually inspired me to start doing my own reviews, and I got a small site going where I posted text reviews of, well, everything.

Anyway, I mentioned that in online dating profile and my now-wife messaged me to say she also had a review blog. And that's how we started talking.

So in her own small way, Lindsay is responsible for my wife and I meeting.'c

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« Reply #10243 on: December 28, 2021, 07:20:44 AM »
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When I was mad at my younger brother, I'd just take random stuff of his and burn it in the backyard while burning other garbage. I'd suggest doing that or just throwing some of their stuff away. That way, when they ask you about whatever belongings of theirs went missing, you can say something along the lines of, "I dunno. My food's been disappearing, too, and I wish whoever was taking it would fucking stop it."



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« Reply #10244 on: December 28, 2021, 07:27:29 AM »
Lindsay Ellis quits content creation because of cancel culture

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/

Wonder how long it will take for one of them scream that cancel culture doesn't exist

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My favorite are the people who dismiss any potential harm I might have incurred as justified because I am a "wealthy, white woman" (I am not wealthy), while these same people's hearts positively *bleed* for Britney Spears.

From just her Patreon alone, she is bringing in $18,000+ a month.   :doge
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« Reply #10245 on: December 28, 2021, 07:42:27 AM »
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Aloy is a lot more sexualized in Genshin than she is in Horizon. They gave her heels on her boots and made her pants ridiculously tight.

But she's not even wearing heels???


aloy: gets aged way down, becomes loli anime girl

era: god she's so fuckin hot, they made her so hot, this is so wrong (but so right)
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« Reply #10246 on: December 28, 2021, 07:48:48 AM »
Those sluts are at it again!
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-op-ed-video-game-industry-struggles-to-shake-sexist-attitudes-tae-kim.532267/post-79337746

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That said, I'd say Aloy is still leaning towards the "Victoria's Secret pages" more than not. Some of the outfits expose skin and she's still very slim and fit and conventionally attractive. Very modern Lara-esque for sure.

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Some of the outfits expose skin
UGH!!

And how do they react when a woman feels differently?

https://twitter.com/MelonieMac/status/1475526193424306191

Quote from: Messo
Why am I not surprised Melonie Mac, as a centrist (she used to identify as a republican), reacts and hangs out with right wing trolls. Like it's hard to take what she is saying in good faith. When she conflates sexy and sexualised, it's muddying the waters. She often goes on rants about the "woke left" on her YouTube and Twitter. She's often been signal boosted by KotakuInAction, The Quartering, and other right wing gaming sites. Just to give context and to not make this thread about these two folks.

Quote from: Morrigan(aka. I despise nothing more than women who disagree with me on sexy characters)
Imagine posting drivel from a bad faith dipshit who rails against SJWs as "a valid opinion"

Meanwhile lets ignore how the article is basically an ad for Horizon that ignores every other game that features non sexualized protagonists.

here's the thing about this: this is always a reaction take

there will never be a time when this writer is the first one on the scene saying "ah yes the industry has finally made a great non-sexualized character"

because prudes on era will always be there to say "she still shows too much contour and curvature, the artist was so thirsty, you should be ashamed of yourself for labeling this progressive"

no one will ever call ANYTHING good, because to do so paints a giant target on your back



also it doesn't matter what kind of character is created because rule 34 exists, so in retrospect every single female character will have been feminine enough to make fappable art, doesn't matter how covered up and ugly you try to make the character, someone will thirst
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« Reply #10247 on: December 28, 2021, 08:14:26 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/#post-79362476
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She compared Raya to Avatar because of the obvious parallels in the premise, twitter "activists" didn't appreciate comparing two east-Asian focused properties together, she said you can see the parallels "if you squint" which is tbh just an unfortunate turn of phrase, and people went apeshit.

Correct me if I’m wrong but did this forum not too also jump down her throat as well?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10248 on: December 28, 2021, 08:15:51 AM »

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10249 on: December 28, 2021, 09:25:30 AM »
Lindsay Ellis quits content creation because of cancel culture

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-is-quiting-youtube.532475/

Wonder how long it will take for one of them scream that cancel culture doesn't exist

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My favorite are the people who dismiss any potential harm I might have incurred as justified because I am a "wealthy, white woman" (I am not wealthy), while these same people's hearts positively *bleed* for Britney Spears.

From just her Patreon alone, she is bringing in $18,000+ a month.   :doge

I think those Patreon numbers can be misleading because some of that money must have to go into production somehow. Not saying it absolutely offsets the revenue (one of the characteristic is much less heavy entry costs and production value) down to survival wage levels or that some of that content creators aren't making a killing but I think it's fair to consider, along with uncertain career prospects and how long the gravy train lasts really & grueling work schedules (for streamers especially). Her message reads a little like she burnt out from the public exposure and all the community / PR management.

Edit : She has employees, apparently ?
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10250 on: December 28, 2021, 10:03:15 AM »
God I'm so glad I don't know who any of these people are.

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« Reply #10251 on: December 28, 2021, 10:11:26 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/recommend-me-some-anime-and-manga-mod-title-abuse-please-for-the-love-of-god-read-the-op-dont-just-drop-titles-and-run.532583/#post-79376132
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Pretty Cure/Precure

It's not actually a single series but rather a franchise of kid-aimed magical girl shows about groups of girls, most commonly middle schoolers (although some seasons have members who are in elementary school or high school) who transform into magical warriors known as Pretty Cure and fight against villains using fisticuffs (seriously it's basically a trademark of the series for these girls to fight the monsters of the week with punches, kicks, throws, etc. It's why there was backlash in the fandom when the 2017 season lacked that feature, allegedly due to parental complaints or something). It's just a great and honestly wholesome series because, you know, it is literally aimed at children, although that doesn't stop it from having a large fanbase of teens and adults (in fact officially in Japan, the target audience is both 5-12 year old girls and 16-35 year old men, although elementary school girls are obviously the main demographic for the show)
I have seen Ree recommend this one quite often :jared

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« Reply #10252 on: December 28, 2021, 10:14:34 AM »
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Aloy is a lot more sexualized in Genshin than she is in Horizon. They gave her heels on her boots and made her pants ridiculously tight.

But she's not even wearing heels???

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Would turn those thighs into fleshlights again.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10253 on: December 28, 2021, 10:20:16 AM »
lindsay ellis was one of the more thoughtful and insightful video creators of progressive youtube

even if she presented an opinion or viewpoint you might normally disagree with, it was hard to disagree with her because it was thoughtfully conveyed with supporting arguments and not wrapped up in stupid aggressive hot takes

so naturally there was no way for her to survive the modern internet
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« Reply #10254 on: December 28, 2021, 10:25:14 AM »
Constructive thread having a bit of a discussion about thread locks:

On the subject of "at what point is a thread no longer actually generatintg productive discussion?", I'm wondering what the point of the still stickied "palestine is an occupied territory" thread is, when its now basically just RustyNails and zero0man posting any anti-israeli tweets they can find from any rando sans commentary

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« Reply #10255 on: December 28, 2021, 10:26:41 AM »
There's no way these people don't keep massive online dossiers of "problematic" behavior of strangers. How obsessed do you have to be to go after a Youtuber you don't watch, because they did a single video with some other minor Youtuber you never watched, who said something in a deleted Tumblr post several years ago.

It's trickle down cancelnomics.

These dossiers usually originate from places like (like as in, sharing the same philosophy, not like as in, actually) kiwifarms, where individual obsessives (read: stalkers) with no life carefully curate this stuff and specifically inject it into any controversy that trends in an attempt to further enflame and provoke "problematic responses". Like everything else on the web in 2021, there's nothing organic about the controversy, it's all carefully directed and controlled by a small minority and places like ERA always take the bait.

Y'all are gunna roll your eyes, but it's the exact thing that started Gamergate; it works, and that's why it keeps happening.

Then, when the eventual conclusion is reached (in this case, what is essentially a mental breakdown) there is no self-reflection or accountability for individuals, only concerned posts about social media and parasocial relationships and locked threads.

We joke about ERA killing people, but the organized campaigns of online harassment that have led some to self-harm has surely filtered through ERA posters who gleefully participated in the mob but will quickly distance themselves from any responsibility.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10256 on: December 28, 2021, 10:28:01 AM »
Resetera is a place that thinks Kratos is a POC because he's Greek

isn't it because hes voiced by teal'c from stargate?

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« Reply #10257 on: December 28, 2021, 10:30:59 AM »
There's no way these people don't keep massive online dossiers of "problematic" behavior of strangers. How obsessed do you have to be to go after a Youtuber you don't watch, because they did a single video with some other minor Youtuber you never watched, who said something in a deleted Tumblr post several years ago.

Thats why they go and post on era with a "Hey, whats everyones thoughts on...?" type thread, so they can get a crowd sourced office clippy performative wokeness check;
"Looks like you're enjoying a video from someone who said 'lol, gay' 14 years ago - that;s Highly Problematic!"

It's also why its a win when they can get some bans in a thread like the girlfriend reviews one the other day - they don't have to actually remember what the supposed problem is anymore, they've got Mod Sanctioned Actions that they are Definitely Racist.


Because the most genuine concern is the one you can't remember the specifics of.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #10258 on: December 28, 2021, 10:32:45 AM »
lindsay ellis was one of the more thoughtful and insightful video creators of progressive youtube

even if she presented an opinion or viewpoint you might normally disagree with, it was hard to disagree with her because it was thoughtfully conveyed with supporting arguments and not wrapped up in stupid aggressive hot takes

so naturally there was no way for her to survive the modern internet



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« Reply #10259 on: December 28, 2021, 10:34:13 AM »
lindsay ellis was one of the more thoughtful and insightful video creators of progressive youtube

even if she presented an opinion or viewpoint you might normally disagree with, it was hard to disagree with her because it was thoughtfully conveyed with supporting arguments and not wrapped up in stupid aggressive hot takes

so naturally there was no way for her to survive the modern internet

It's kinda fucked that we have to sort YouTubers into these political categories.

Lindsay's channel was focused on media criticism, normally laser focused on a specific type of media, and while certainly not apolitical she wasn't making content FOR progressives. Yet all her content is logarithmically sorted into "bread tube". If I were a content creator I'd want to distance myself from anything associated with the larger progressive movement, because these people will not hesitate to destroy you if the political right can convince even a single progressive influencer that you've taken any steps out of line.

The clock is ticking on Hbomberguy and Dan Olsen tbh, the only reason they've survived this long is because they aren't women.