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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14280 on: March 03, 2022, 03:05:01 PM »
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Lol most people who wash meat are not going online to snarky-ass, uppity forums like this to get their cooking info. They're just doing it because that's how it was taught to them and they've never really run across information that tells them otherwise. Subsequently, these practices stem from decades of sociopolitical factors that breed an attitude that isn't going to go away just because someone put it in a Vox article. The read here, if Era could stop being Era for a second, would be to go "Oh, I understand why certain populations might do that" and then take the conversation from there.

Instead we have to suffer through pages of the indignation of a bunch of crackas who can't be bothered to wash their feet.

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« Reply #14281 on: March 03, 2022, 03:08:08 PM »
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Lol most people who wash meat are not going online to snarky-ass, uppity forums like this to get their cooking info. They're just doing it because that's how it was taught to them and they've never really run across information that tells them otherwise. Subsequently, these practices stem from decades of sociopolitical factors that breed an attitude that isn't going to go away just because someone put it in a Vox article. The read here, if Era could stop being Era for a second, would be to go "Oh, I understand why certain populations might do that" and then take the conversation from there.

Instead we have to suffer through pages of the indignation of a bunch of crackas who can't be bothered to wash their feet.
Because she'd be this understanding of something stupid and non-scientific if she didn't associate it with "Black culture" for some unhinged reason.

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« Reply #14282 on: March 03, 2022, 03:08:18 PM »
Imagining a freezer burnt, washed before cooking well done steak with ketchup right now.   :delicious

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« Reply #14283 on: March 03, 2022, 03:08:18 PM »



She just fucking pulled the reasoning for why black people do this out of her ass, and now she's authoritatively reiterating it to defend against people saying it's stupid.  Let alone the fact that most black people, like most other people, probably don't even do this.    Nepenthe is an extraordinary specimen.

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« Reply #14284 on: March 03, 2022, 03:08:48 PM »
She's really been extra racist lately lmao

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« Reply #14285 on: March 03, 2022, 03:10:22 PM »
Is she saying you ain't black if you don't wash your meat :biden
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« Reply #14286 on: March 03, 2022, 03:10:30 PM »
Posters: "This is a stupid thing, you shouldn't do it."
Nepenthe: "Hold up, if it's stupid it's probably a Black thing and you should be understanding and accepting of it then."

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« Reply #14287 on: March 03, 2022, 03:12:25 PM »



Someone take care of this uppity cracka.


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« Reply #14288 on: March 03, 2022, 03:12:27 PM »
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In that case I can sell you a rock that if you hold it, you won't get sick. Trust me, every time I've held it I haven't gotten sick so I know it protects you.

I'm pretty sure that if you would look at meat sold in open market places you wouldn't feel safe by just cooking it
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14289 on: March 03, 2022, 03:13:57 PM »
Damn crackers always putting metal shavings in my meat  :maf

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« Reply #14290 on: March 03, 2022, 03:15:25 PM »
I looked up some of the reasons behind doing this.

"Most people that I know wash the meat to take the blood out, not to make it sterile."

Don't tell them the red meat juice isn't actually blood.

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« Reply #14291 on: March 03, 2022, 03:17:03 PM »
If you think meat juice is gross, become a vegan, you bitch. :mouf
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« Reply #14292 on: March 03, 2022, 03:17:33 PM »
They always be eating grey ass freezer meat.  They don't wash they got-damn feet.
"Yes, yes, Nepenthe.   Take your medicine, it's good for you"
*nurses shush and wheel Nepenthe away"
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« Reply #14293 on: March 03, 2022, 03:20:07 PM »
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"Oh, I understand why certain populations might do that" and then take the conversation from there.
Definitely a lot of people not clear on others lived experiences or cultural differences.

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Instead we have to suffer through pages of the indignation of a bunch of crackas who can't be bothered to wash their feet.
Unabashed love for this.

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Several times she removed small bits of metal shavings because they did not care about black people's food way back then.
A piece of why this might have caught on with some communities more than others. I'm also sure that people are assuming a lot about the how washing happens, based on what I'm seeing here. Do people think that we're just slapping chicken into the sink?
Oh, I see. We're just not understanding HOW the washing happens. :hmm

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« Reply #14294 on: March 03, 2022, 03:24:45 PM »
She's really been extra racist lately lmao

My guess is that her boss is white and yelled at her a few days ago.
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« Reply #14295 on: March 03, 2022, 03:25:37 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/saudi-arabian-man-sentenced-to-death-for-alleged-crime-committed-when-he-was-14.558775/

They're just doing it because that's how it was taught to them and they've never really run across information that tells them otherwise. Subsequently, these practices stem from decades of sociopolitical factors that breed an attitude that isn't going to go away just because someone put it in a Vox article. The read here, if Era could stop being Era for a second, would be to go "Oh, I understand why certain populations might do that" and then take the conversation from there.

Instead we have to suffer through pages of the indignation of a bunch of crackas who can't be bothered to wash their feet.

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« Reply #14296 on: March 03, 2022, 03:31:27 PM »
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How you think folks be washing? You put it at the package at the bottom of the sink. Unwrap and wash, then put them in a tray beside the sink. Who is slinging wet chicken around?

This. Nasty meat juice does directly down the drain. I season and then the plastic goes straight in the recycling bin outside.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14297 on: March 03, 2022, 03:32:03 PM »
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Lol most people who wash meat are not going online to snarky-ass, uppity forums like this to get their cooking info. They're just doing it because that's how it was taught to them and they've never really run across information that tells them otherwise. Subsequently, these practices stem from decades of sociopolitical factors that breed an attitude that isn't going to go away just because someone put it in a Vox article. The read here, if Era could stop being Era for a second, would be to go "Oh, I understand why certain populations might do that" and then take the conversation from there.

Instead we have to suffer through pages of the indignation of a bunch of crackas who can't be bothered to wash their feet.


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« Reply #14298 on: March 03, 2022, 03:33:09 PM »
Since we're talking about science, science has already said that people don't reflexively trust experts when their conclusions go against deeply ingrained beliefs and practices, so the pushback should not actually be so frustrating to such a rational person as yourself. Science also definitely says it's not a shocker that people don't change their minds immediately when presented with mockery by no-names on the Internet who, again, failed to take the five seconds necessary to try and figure out why people might do something they themselves don't do. This attitude, by the way, of sneering mockery, sarcasm, and implied intellectual superiority when minorities are presenting you with the cultural reasons for why they have always done something that you don't do, is indeed crackery, and it's one of many reasons Era is so fucking insufferable.
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You gotta love the pragmatism in shitting all over disenfranchised communities because they have a rightful distrust of this world's institutions.
It's not a Black thing. It's a stupid thing. Stop defending it.

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« Reply #14299 on: March 03, 2022, 03:36:01 PM »
Washing meat.


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« Reply #14300 on: March 03, 2022, 03:38:06 PM »
Since we're talking about science, science has already said that people don't reflexively trust experts when their conclusions go against deeply ingrained beliefs and practices, so the pushback should not actually be so frustrating to such a rational person as yourself. Science also definitely says it's not a shocker that people don't change their minds immediately when presented with mockery by no-names on the Internet who, again, failed to take the five seconds necessary to try and figure out why people might do something they themselves don't do. This attitude, by the way, of sneering mockery, sarcasm, and implied intellectual superiority when minorities are presenting you with the cultural reasons for why they have always done something that you don't do, is indeed crackery, and it's one of many reasons Era is so fucking insufferable.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14301 on: March 03, 2022, 03:38:57 PM »
What is the secret wakanda washing technique nepnep
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« Reply #14302 on: March 03, 2022, 03:39:50 PM »
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You gotta love the pragmatism in shitting all over disenfranchised communities because they have a rightful distrust of this world's institutions.







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a rightful distrust of this world's institutions



Boredfrom

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14303 on: March 03, 2022, 03:43:58 PM »
I remember when BCT where excusing the parts of the black community that refused the Vax because “government experiments”.

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« Reply #14304 on: March 03, 2022, 03:46:02 PM »
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the cdc guideline isn't unknown, but they basically tell me that that chicken slaughterhouse slime is okay to eat and I say, nah, i'm good.
there's all sorts of ways to manage your water without splashing a firehose or even a mild spritz if you're worried about that. bowls, bags, containers and so on.
i know people like to unload responsibility and just lean back into government guidelines, but the people who wash their meats have been taking proactive responsibility for their own wellbeing for longer, since before the government made an attempt to care.
People aren't citing it to eliminate personal responsibility or stop rational thinking, they're citing it because people refused to believe that incredibly high heat is safer than rinsing off "slime" in the sink.

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« Reply #14305 on: March 03, 2022, 03:46:13 PM »
THORDISON IS FUCKING WHITE?!

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This could be it.

Anecdotally, as a white person who only grew up around and knows non-white people, I've never heard of anyone washing their meat. I didn't know it was a thing until I worked at restaurants and was taught it's fairly common.


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« Reply #14306 on: March 03, 2022, 03:46:32 PM »
Not gonna lie, I would be fascinated by watching nepenthe try to solve a modified series of the trolley problem where the skin colours of whos placed where get rotated around and hear the explanation on why the moral choice gets flipped every time

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« Reply #14307 on: March 03, 2022, 03:49:52 PM »
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I still can't figure out if this is a meme or not. If people are actually taking meat and attempting to wash it with like, soap and water or whatnot.
nah, just generally putting most of your butchered raw meats into some water or water/acid solution for a period. From running a steak under some water to wash the blood and grit off, to putting some chicken wings in a ziplock bag and adding some water and half cup white vinegar to soak for an hour.
That's a brine, not "washing" off anything.

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« Reply #14308 on: March 03, 2022, 03:51:03 PM »
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White people: You gotta stop being so dang condescending in your replies. Yes, washing raw meat is scientifically more dangerous than not washing it. But it's not nearly as risky as some of you are making it out to be. Cultural habits are very hard to overcome and being a dick about it won't help.

Fuck man. Like I know eating raw cookie dough is scientifically a bad ideas but I'm still doing to do it because that shits delicious. It doesn't make me anti science. I'm just weighing the personal risks.

Not comparable, like at all.

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« Reply #14309 on: March 03, 2022, 03:52:00 PM »
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Is it ignorance when a white butcher lace your food with foreign debris or just haphazardly toss your food around This shit happened alot for black people.
This.

As has been pointed out, there are cultural reasons to do this even if one knows it's less safe.
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« Reply #14310 on: March 03, 2022, 03:54:07 PM »
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Yeah, the snarky condescendtiin prevalent in this thread is a bit much. Just because you're right doesn't mean you have to be a complete fucking asshole about it. A lot of people aren’t even trying to understand the cultural differences that lead to people washing their meat.

Also, none of you people in this thread are fucking funny. So I don’t get all the joke cracking up in here.
This dude has been registered on the forum since it began.

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« Reply #14311 on: March 03, 2022, 03:54:59 PM »
But was the White water safe? :thinking
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« Reply #14312 on: March 03, 2022, 03:57:24 PM »
Amazing how people are accepting the "it's just a cultural thing" explanation including theories about racist butchers just so idiots could defend an idiotic practice instead of rejecting the theory as unsupported by anything except idiots trying to justify their defense as untouchable from criticism.

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« Reply #14313 on: March 03, 2022, 03:59:06 PM »
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Tons of posters trying to make non-washers feel like they're somehow dirty or unclean because they're not washing meat or chicken before cooking it.
Lol, the non-washers shot first. They can take a little ribbing, especially with the science on their side. Straighten up.
Ban the crackers already.

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« Reply #14314 on: March 03, 2022, 03:59:48 PM »
Decades of sociological factors from white supremacy lead up to this point, ergo changing it now would be white supremacy.  Go wash your feet.

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« Reply #14315 on: March 03, 2022, 04:02:15 PM »
I'm definitely not going to listen to condescending white people about this, what if the butcher saw I was Black and secretly gave me the meat in the see through glass counter that had been rubbed in cat litter?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14316 on: March 03, 2022, 04:03:25 PM »
I said, "sprinkle some adobe on it" but he sprinkled some metal shavings on it.  And I took it home and washed it off. 

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« Reply #14317 on: March 03, 2022, 04:04:54 PM »
More shocked that they aren't vegan literally colonizing and killing the planet like that
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« Reply #14318 on: March 03, 2022, 04:05:02 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cd-projekt-to-halt-all-sales-from-their-games-and-gog-platform-to-russia-and-belarus-users.558634/page-2#post-83054827

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Just because a company is doing something about a current crisis, doesn't mean we can't bring up another crisis that they've been a participant in.

Hissy fit by weirdo video game message board members = international crisis apparently :lol
Isn't this inflammatory comparisons in a sensitive thread?
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14319 on: March 03, 2022, 04:06:54 PM »
More shocked that they aren't vegan literally colonizing and killing the planet like that

You're surprised they aren't vegan?  Being vegan actually requires you to do something and inconvenience your life and work to adopt new habits.  These people can't even be inconvenienced to accept that they're wrong when produced with bold-faced facts.

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« Reply #14320 on: March 03, 2022, 04:08:05 PM »
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It's a food thread on Era. Food threads on here are always snarky, always awful and usually openly racist.
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It kind of goes both ways though. Tons of posters trying to make non-washers feel like they're somehow dirty or unclean because they're not washing meat or chicken before cooking it.
Why do people always try to “both sides” shit when white people fuck shit get brought up? I need to know….
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It's a little harder online, because you can't see who you're talking to, and you're addressing a ton of people at the same time. Black people saying "I wash my meat because my parents used to pick cat litter out of the shit they were sold by white butchers in the 70s" are getting mixed in with white people saying "I wash my meat because my grandma always said 'clean meat, clean wheat, clean skeet'; and she was the best clay pigeon shooter in all of Rochester county".

I can see why it's fucking irritating, but I don't think that the snarky comments are being purposefully aimed at minorities. I thought I was talking to a bunch of posters who weren't a million miles away from anti-vaxxers, I didn't realise I was also talking to minorities who were describing a shared, culturally-specific, lived experience until the poster above me couched the issue in a racial context.
First off, it took me longer than expected to read this because I was laughing at the end of the first paragraph. "clean meat, clean wheat, clean skeet." Wat? 😂

Second, I don't think people are doing it on purpose either. But I think it's the natural conclusion to uppity, know-it-all white liberal attitude that permeates this forum. It's poisonous to trying to bolster a welcoming environment here for minorities who happen across threads like this and just don't bother. Which is why in these threads about different kinds of practices of which I have some insight about, I am quick to point the reasoning out in the hopes that people will actually just take a moment to back off. Maybe learn something about the history of a group you probably haven't even seen in person!

Alas, this will all be forgotten the next time white people balk at the use of wash cloths or something or other.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14321 on: March 03, 2022, 04:10:12 PM »
 :lol

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14322 on: March 03, 2022, 04:12:33 PM »
I don't mean to be Sinophobic but the only time anyone I know has gotten metal shavings in their food it was at a Thai restaurant in their Pad Prik.

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« Reply #14323 on: March 03, 2022, 04:15:25 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/wait-not-everyone-washes-and-dries-their-meat-before-seasoning.558760/page-3#post-83067406

 :beli

Yes, Nepnep, it's a "cultural" thing, not something borne out of ignorance of how pathogens spread.  I'm sure you'll find some way to say drinking turpentine is superior to white folks' fancy vitamins and cold remedies next.
Didn't take long for that thread to turn into a stealthy "black people are ignorant" thread.

 :dayum

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« Reply #14324 on: March 03, 2022, 04:16:09 PM »
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I get why people did it, I don't get why people continue to do it. Habit/being taught by parents isn't an excuse.
I don't understand difference.

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« Reply #14325 on: March 03, 2022, 04:17:58 PM »
White people take any opportunity to condescend to POC as this thread shows.
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« Reply #14326 on: March 03, 2022, 04:20:43 PM »
More shocked that they aren't vegan literally colonizing and killing the planet like that

You're surprised they aren't vegan?  Being vegan actually requires you to do something and inconvenience your life and work to adopt new habits.  These people can't even be inconvenienced to accept that they're wrong when produced with bold-faced facts.

As a vegan who hasn't played Cyberpunk 2077, I am a better human being than 99.99% of the people on resetera.

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« Reply #14327 on: March 03, 2022, 04:21:03 PM »
Decades of sociological factors from white supremacy lead up to this point, ergo changing it now would be white supremacy.  Go wash your feet.

Nephente and her enablers are too stupid to realize that this being prevalent in black communities is because systematic bad education system to minorities. Their surface level reading of this discrepancy is telling. Benji is right that Nephente doesn’t care about this progressive stuff beyond bitching at fandoms online.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14328 on: March 03, 2022, 04:21:34 PM »
She's really been extra racist lately lmao
Must be the fact that all these white people in Ukraine are soaking up all the sympathy and oppression points.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14329 on: March 03, 2022, 04:21:43 PM »
alot of reports coming up.  non-washers bout to be btfo bc washers are leaving in droves

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« Reply #14330 on: March 03, 2022, 04:22:52 PM »
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My Gma used to wash chicken back in the day because....She was born in 1925 and black folks didn't have access to quality meats/etc. Its 2022, my black ass aint washing chicken I got from Publix.
To be fair, Publix is a blessing. But the meat from Wayfields? Nah son.

Wayfield Foods was founded in 1982 by Ron Edenfield and Ralph Calloway with hope to be the store of choice in the community. The name Wayfield is the combination of the ending of the co-founders’ last names, but it quickly began to stand for quality meats, superior service and competitive prices. In 1989, Ron Edenfield bought out his partner, making him the owner and president. Since that time, Wayfield Foods, with the help of its extraordinary staff and dedicated managers, has opened stores throughout Metro Atlanta, has supported the surrounding communities, has provided college scholarships and is known as a leading community employer with more than 500 employees throughout its various locations.

In an effort to encourage and show appreciation to our associates, Wayfield instituted an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP). This allows all eligible associates to enjoy part ownership in the company as they dedicate themselves to working hard to build the value of our business. In 2005, Wayfield established an Employee Care Chaplain program as a voluntary, confidential benefit to any associate and their families in times of need.
Nepenthe prefers the large billion dollar corporate grocery store from Florida over the locally Black owned grocery store because she perceives its meat as too dirty not to wash before cooking.

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« Reply #14331 on: March 03, 2022, 04:23:48 PM »
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In that case I can sell you a rock that if you hold it, you won't get sick. Trust me, every time I've held it I haven't gotten sick so I know it protects you.

I'm pretty sure that if you would look at meat sold in open market places you wouldn't feel safe by just cooking it
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When was the last time any American went to an open market to buy meat?

TIL that black Americans are subjected to Chinese style wet markets like their communist Chinese comrades.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14332 on: March 03, 2022, 04:24:57 PM »
Serpens is Latino and pretty sure lives in South America.

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« Reply #14333 on: March 03, 2022, 04:27:38 PM »
She's really been extra racist lately lmao
Must be the fact that all these white people in Ukraine are soaking up all the sympathy and oppression points.

How come nobody's talking about the iron curtain drawn between the washers and the non-washers?  President Biden, tear down this cellophane wrapper and sprinkle some adobo on it.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14334 on: March 03, 2022, 04:29:57 PM »
Hmm, I'll admit that I was washing chicken for years due to parental upbringing before I learned about the higher chance of contaminants spreading around your cooking area when you do that.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14335 on: March 03, 2022, 04:30:24 PM »
Man, that thread is really depressing. Seeing how hard BTC excuse their own ignorance is like a parody.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14336 on: March 03, 2022, 04:31:44 PM »
Hmm, I'll admit that I was washing chicken for years due to parental upbringing before I learned about the higher chance of contaminants spreading around your cooking area when you do that.
After you learned, did you stop or did you continue to insist on washing the meat to spite all the racist white people?
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« Reply #14337 on: March 03, 2022, 04:32:15 PM »
I don't wash my meats because I've been taught not to but I wasn't aware that for cultural reasons (aka racism) other people might have been taught otherwise and for good reasons.

I fully admit I first was tempted to make a snarky ass comment here but instead I actually learned something. So thanks for that.
You did not actually learn anything. Nepenthe's conspiracy theories are not reality or history.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14338 on: March 03, 2022, 04:32:15 PM »
As a white person cracka, I used to wash chicken too. I'm pretty sure it's not a race thing.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #14339 on: March 03, 2022, 04:33:07 PM »
Nepenthe has been simmering.

sigh