Other Forums Containment Thread

[NekoFever]

Banning discussion of a game that lets you play as a non binary character if you want to 

When they did it with cyberpunk, i frowned a bit but i gave them a pass. But doing to the only two AAA games i know of that let you do this? That is a trend.
No wonder the trans community left in droves when the resetera mods are that blatant with their transphobia.

Not a good look, and i'm forever giving the sideeye to anyone that defends that sort of bigotry. Honestly i'm so tired.

in all honesty this is not even a fucking joke, they have literally thrown the biggest hissy fits over the two highest profile games in the industry that have gone to the greatest lengths to be trans/non-binary friendly 

[MMaRsu]

Ree users are the type of scary people who will happily gun down a school as far as I see

Scary fucks, totally unhinged

[Uncle]

do you know anyone who will sadly gun down a school 

[joeboy101]

do you know anyone who will sadly gun down a school 

 

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-editorial-board-worried-about-“burden”-of-“cancel-culture”-in-america.563758/

Ooooh, this’ll be predictable. I absolutely love the lack of awareness, as this in the cribbing from the article in the OP:

Many on the left refuse to acknowledge that cancel culture exists at all, believing that those who complain about it are offering cover for bigots to peddle hate speech.

Cancel culture is a myth.

The thing that always gets me about the hysteria over cancel culture is that you need to have some kind of a public profile to even be "cancelled" in the first place! Most people aren't famous enough to be cancelled, get over yourselves!

Create a moral panic, point at the moral panic you created as proof that it's real.

There are a good number of examples of 'regular' people who got fired from their job for what they've said.... the thing is they deserve it.

I'm pretty sure this is a troll piece (and I'm not sure what for as they're a subscription based newspaper with a paywall...), but I'm genuinely struggling to think of literally any time in human history when people had the right to "speak in public with no fear of shunning or mockery regardless of the content"

..... I'm pretty sure this has never existed?

Some online criticism is way too harsh, but this is just a terribly designed argument.

 

[ShutUp]

Also, just for clarity for the thread, seeing as it's come up: there will be a barebones OT for the Hogwarts game when it comes out so that anyone who wishes to discuss the game in a safe, welcoming environment is able to do so. But we banned marketing/hype/discussion threads for it in the wake of the lead designer controversy last year (which, bizarrely, everyone seems to have entirely forgotten about).

Obviously Rowling's bigotry already had us talking about what measures we were going to take, but that whole episode pretty solidly crystallised our approach with this game.

“A safe, welcoming environment”

So…an OT like every single other game on there has had. Got it. Just don’t be mad when people just discuss the game and talk around the obvious ban bait attempts. The game made by the developers with nothing to do with JK in any way were already making a safe and welcoming game by letting you choose non binary characters if you want to.

JKR owns the IP and will undoubtedly be making a good deal of money from the game as a result.

She may not be directly involved in terms of working on the story or anything, but she's still directly getting money from the game, which she then uses to actively campaign against trans people

 

[BrokenVerses]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-editorial-board-worried-about-“burden”-of-“cancel-culture”-in-america.563758/

Ooooh, this’ll be predictable. I absolutely love the lack of awareness, as this in the cribbing from the article in the OP:

Many on the left refuse to acknowledge that cancel culture exists at all, believing that those who complain about it are offering cover for bigots to peddle hate speech.

Cancel culture is a myth.

The thing that always gets me about the hysteria over cancel culture is that you need to have some kind of a public profile to even be "cancelled" in the first place! Most people aren't famous enough to be cancelled, get over yourselves!

Create a moral panic, point at the moral panic you created as proof that it's real.

There are a good number of examples of 'regular' people who got fired from their job for what they've said.... the thing is they deserve it.

I'm pretty sure this is a troll piece (and I'm not sure what for as they're a subscription based newspaper with a paywall...), but I'm genuinely struggling to think of literally any time in human history when people had the right to "speak in public with no fear of shunning or mockery regardless of the content"

..... I'm pretty sure this has never existed?

Some online criticism is way too harsh, but this is just a terribly designed argument.

 

Yeah that Chipotle manager that refused service to known dine and dashers sure was a person with a public profile.

[Snoopycat_]

And Morrigan I genuinely like you

 


https://www.resetera.com/threads/souls-elden-ring-players-why-do-you-put-down-summon-signs-for-bosses-you-cannot-beat.563671/page-4#post-83849551

[Uncle]

I'm pretty sure this is a troll piece (and I'm not sure what for as they're a subscription based newspaper with a paywall...), but I'm genuinely struggling to think of literally any time in human history when people had the right to "speak in public with no fear of shunning or mockery regardless of the content"

..... I'm pretty sure this has never existed?

Some online criticism is way too harsh, but this is just a terribly designed argument.

 

yeah y'know back in the day you might get fired if you publicly admitted you weren't entirely convinced that jesus was lord

those were pretty good times huh, not like it was ever a bad thing, we police our own

[Pissy F Benny]

And Morrigan I genuinely like you

 


https://www.resetera.com/threads/souls-elden-ring-players-why-do-you-put-down-summon-signs-for-bosses-you-cannot-beat.563671/page-4#post-83849551

sucking up to someone who isn't even a mod (officially) 

its almost like redmerc is a glowie

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hogwarts-legacy-state-of-play-official-gameplay-reveal-trailer-holiday-2022.563644/#post-83830534

The actual Voldemort of games.

It who must not be named!

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Yeah that Chipotle manager that refused service to known dine and dashers sure was a person with a public profile.

There are a good number of examples of 'regular' people who got fired from their job for what they've said.... the thing is they deserve it.

 

#cancelling doesnt even existm but if it does, it is righteous and pure so therefore any examples of people negatively affected by it actually deserved what they got coming to them, August Ames

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Being afraid of voicing an opinion because others may find it repugnant is a good outcome.

cool cool cool

[Uncle]

yeah like all the trans people who don't come out because they're afraid their family and friends will find it repugnant, this is always a positive thing according to era

 

[Snoopycat_]

sucking up to someone who isn't even a mod (officially) 

its almost like redmerc is a glowie

He’ll be in her inbox begging her to say something nice in the thread. Please Morrigan. They’re all laughing at me. Think of my reputation.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-editorial-board-worried-about-“burden”-of-“cancel-culture”-in-america.563758/

The thing that always gets me about the hysteria over cancel culture is that you need to have some kind of a public profile to even be "cancelled" in the first place! Most people aren't famous enough to be cancelled, get over yourselves!

Tell this to this completely random guy who got stalked because he wasn't happy enough when his girlfriend surprised him.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/12/tiktok-couch-guy-internet-sleuths.html

Of course the thread on RE which highlighted that case and cases like it got zero attention from them

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-horrifying-panopticon-of-west-elm-caleb-sarah-z.559369/post-83161885

Being afraid of voicing an opinion because others may find it repugnant is a good outcome.

cool cool cool

Living in fear of a shapeless internet mob and selfcensoring everywhere is good actually 

[benjipwns]

The thing that always gets me about the hysteria over cancel culture is that you need to have some kind of a public profile to even be "cancelled" in the first place! Most people aren't famous enough to be cancelled, get over yourselves!

There are a good number of examples of 'regular' people who got fired from their job for what they've said.... the thing is they deserve it.

Can't wait for the ResetERA.com dialectic to resolve this contradiction with a synthesis.

[benjipwns]

They'll never grapple with the actual problem of "cancel culture" because they're too invested in it. That's why they spend so much time pretending it simply means "receive criticism for bad acts" rather than it's true malicious core. It's an ideology that presents a no-win scenario. Once you're labeled problematic, that's it, you're done. You're revealed as bad forever and everything you've ever done must be reevaluated in this light. Everyone must rush to proclaim how they always knew you were bad and never actually liked you. You can't apologize, you can't say you want to do better because none of it matters, you'll never be forgiven if you aren't already in a privileged position.

Look at the one Joe Rogan thread where they refused to even consider the possibility he could make amends, the only person who even remotely suggested a possibility he could be forgiven proposed that he give all the money he's ever earned to political groups and that they'd consider it. Meanwhile, someone like James Gunn is completely forgiven immediately and the entire thing is called an alt-right smear because everyone knows he's just a good person who slipped a few times, he makes Disney films after all. Or look at everything that happened in the 2020 election where the supposed lesson of #MeToo, that you always believe women and rape accusations are simply not made up, was thrown under the bus because it was too important to beat Trump so it was important to investigate the people making the accusations to see how reliable they are. Or there's B-Dubs and Royalan's violent bigotry that people seem fine with. Same with how they seem fine with Nintendo's vicious anti-Black racism but don't you dare bring up Harry Potter in a non-negative manner. And how about the ever sliding scale of appropriation versus representation where racists determine "good faith" by counting skin colors. But make a joke on Twitter seventeen years ago and FUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK OOOOOOFOFFOOFOFOFOFOOFFFFFF FOREVER!

We just want accountability. (For some. When it's to our advantage.)

[Nintex]

Cancel culture isn't real

Also may I remind everyone that we do not talk about Hogwarts Legacy, thank you

[Snoopycat_]

I get the souls community has this shitty "git gud" attitude

Yeah there are clearly examples of such people.

I found one here. Can you believe this toxic jerk is actually discouraging people from jolly cooperation unless they git gud enough? Pathetic, right? Sure gives ammo to the whole "Souls fans are toxic gatekeepers".

We’re through the looking glass now people


https://www.resetera.com/threads/souls-elden-ring-players-why-do-you-put-down-summon-signs-for-bosses-you-cannot-beat.563671/page-6#post-83863213

[nobody of note]

Constructive thread still going back and forth over the Harry Potter stuff; most recent round includes "Well why don't we ban Ubisoft hype, then, since supporting Ubisoft games is directly linked to letting them keep treating their employees like shit?"

...and the response is again just "No, you see, what Rowling does is worse!"

Just a question, why doesnt this also apply to Ubisoft games and Ubisoft news? Yves and his cronies have been absolute fuckheads abusing their employee's yet Ubisoft get all kinds of threads and hype threads for their games? time and time again we keep hearing about all the abuse coming out of there.

As with the person asking about why Atlus isn't banned, it isn't exactly the same thing. Ubisoft and other abusive companies need to be called out (and they are here, regularly) but it's not quite the same as the creator of a property using the money gained from said property to directly attack trans people.

Also, what's the end goal of asking things like this? To get the mods to change their mind about not allowing Harry Potter hype threads? To get all video game discussion banned on a video game forum? There's an attempt by some people here to pull some kind of "gotcha" revealing some double standard or hypocrisy. That may not be your intent but that's where this sort of thing leads. And while I can't speak for anyone else here but myself (especially not any moderators), personally I think it's perfectly fine to deal with these sorts of things on a case by case basis. Because no two situations are entirely the same.

Something I've seen here recently, especially the last few pages of this thread, is almost demanding a mod algorithm or script.  "if this then that happens." But...That isn't reality.  And not how things work.  Some things will be banned.  Others won't.  You can be pumped or pissed about it, but mods have made clear several times that going forward we aren't doing blanket bans anymore.  If something horrendous or grotesque happens and they choose to modify that, then go for it.  Gotta do the best we can with the information we have.

Good answer and fair point.


I was thinking more along the lines of using the same logic of how JK uses her platform to promote her hatred and, Ubisoft would use sales/hype to continue their horrific working conditions. Which is why I was thinking why not limit their discussion as well since it's highly documented. I understand Yves and co may not be as outspoken as JK but their silence and throwaway comments regarding the abuse is pretty damning as well.

Not trying to create a whataboutism or anything, but just genuinely asking, and appreciate the input's that help me understand the situations.

It's a whataboutism in the sense that a scenario like a singular rich woman using her massive amount of wealth, prestige and influence to directly worsen the lives of acceptably sacrificed marginalized communities, which is a different subject than the worker exploitation that runs rampant in the games' industry up to and including some of the most beloved studios around.

They're both bad in different ways.

I think some people genuinely don't understand the impact Rowling has had and still think she's just someone whose impact extends to a few tweets. So I'll repeat the summary that she has:
Helped drive trans children toward self harm and suicide.
Helped reduce the ILGA score of the UK by being a prime motivator in increased hostility towards trans people.
Related transition to being a new form of gay conversion therapy, one that should be further restricted.
Given voice, promotion and platform to numerous transphobes and large anti-trans groups.
Led a revolt that saw the most basic reform for Gender Recognition in the UK scrapped, despite a 70% approval rating.
Added to a pressure that resulted in links to support systems for vulnerable trans children being removed by the BBC.
Put out numerous transphobic articles and tweets turning perception of fans and followers against trans people.
Helped influence a move that saw young trans people face further hardships in accessing trans-affirming healthcare.
Been cited by foreign politicians in their own bids to restrict trans rights, healthcare access and freedoms.
Poisoned discourse around trans access to bathrooms, increasing the violence and uncertainty trans people face.
Rowling is actively destructive to trans lives, especially those in the UK and of younger people looking to live as themselves. The wave of transphobia she sparked and continues to drive has led to legislation being scrapped, rights being removed and calls for trans women to be shot in the street.

She is someone who continues to cause irreparable damage to trans people in this country and abroad.

They should probably just admit that their policy isn't based on amount of harm and just based on protecting key groups the staff has decided need protection ; it's super fucking weird to watch everyone double down on basically trying to minimize the impacts of directly supporting a company that causes direct harm so that they can prop up indirect harm from someone being indirectly supported as WAY WORSE (there's also this weird thing where anything Rowling is an example of is treated as caused by her, like people citing her as an example would have been openminded trans-supporters if she wasn't famous or something.)

[joeboy101]

I get the souls community has this shitty "git gud" attitude

Yeah there are clearly examples of such people.

I found one here. Can you believe this toxic jerk is actually discouraging people from jolly cooperation unless they git gud enough? Pathetic, right? Sure gives ammo to the whole "Souls fans are toxic gatekeepers".

We’re through the looking glass now people


https://www.resetera.com/threads/souls-elden-ring-players-why-do-you-put-down-summon-signs-for-bosses-you-cannot-beat.563671/page-6#post-83863213

See, the writers can’t tease this kind of storyline without some kind of payoff. That just wouldn’t be fair.

[benjipwns]

I like how Kyuuji's list has only one thing Rowling herself actually did, that she's interpreting in an unfavorable way rather than what Rowling actually wrote, but instead creates a parade of horribles which she just attributes to being caused by Rowling because well, she says so. Most insanely demonstrated by trying to insinuate that Rowling has effectively been calling for trans people to be shot in the street. If only Rowling hadn't dared ask "what is a woman?" on Twitter transphobia wouldn't exist on TERF Island.

And this is the person ResetERA.com staff want to outsource their decision making to.

[joeboy101]

YESSSS!!!!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-editorial-board-worried-about-%E2%80%9Cburden%E2%80%9D-of-%E2%80%9Ccancel-culture%E2%80%9D-in-america.563758/post-83865634

This shit is some white people nonsense. There is no meaningful sense of cancel culture where people are permanently shunned from all aspects of society for shitting on minorities. There is definitely a type of cancel culture that exists if you piss off the conservative/alt-right machine, culture war Republicans, or the American government in general in just the right way. I mean, someone in Portland just got murdered for a damn BLM protest earlier this year. How many political backlashes, hate crimes, and political assassinations against Black revolutionaries, LGBT people, anti-war folks, and other far left politicians and allies, not just in the US but especially abroad, have to happen before we take a step back and stop trying to big up Twitter drama as society's great moral battleground?

  Like the rising sun, I can always count on her.

[benjipwns]

Rowling's real crime is that she "betrayed" people who were overly invested in her franchise by not aligning with their political views they developed later in life. And they can never forgive her for this.

[Uncle]

the actual measurable harm Rowling has done to the human race most likely ranks more in number of forests clearcut to print her giant books, and just being a rich person jetting all over the place for media appearances, and in making young women interested in wicca again

[Propagandhim]

Why is Nepenthe talking about political assassinations and hate crimes in a thread about cancel culture?  Schizophrenia?

[Uncle]

OH NO THEY GOT REDDIT AS WELL

[Potato]

YESSSS!!!!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-editorial-board-worried-about-%E2%80%9Cburden%E2%80%9D-of-%E2%80%9Ccancel-culture%E2%80%9D-in-america.563758/post-83865634

This shit is some white people nonsense. There is no meaningful sense of cancel culture where people are permanently shunned from all aspects of society for shitting on minorities. There is definitely a type of cancel culture that exists if you piss off the conservative/alt-right machine, culture war Republicans, or the American government in general in just the right way. I mean, someone in Portland just got murdered for a damn BLM protest earlier this year. How many political backlashes, hate crimes, and political assassinations against Black revolutionaries, LGBT people, anti-war folks, and other far left politicians and allies, not just in the US but especially abroad, have to happen before we take a step back and stop trying to big up Twitter drama as society's great moral battleground?

  Like the rising sun, I can always count on her.

I dunno. Juicy Smellier got cancelled for shitting on black people it seems...

[NekoFever]

I like how their argument for why cancel culture isn’t real appears to be that people who have been shunned do not cease to exist.

[ShutUp]

All discussion of Disney and their Disney+ shows should be banned over there but of course that’s different because reasons and things.

[benjipwns]

I like how their argument for why cancel culture isn’t real appears to be that people who have been shunned do not cease to exist.

But imagine how great things would be if they did.

[Potato]

A lot of the Reeeeeseterans are big fans of Stalin (he did nothing wrong) so I imagine disappearing people is high on their agenda for when they emerge from their mother's basement to enact their glorious Disney revolution.

[clothedmacuser]

There's an attempt by some people here to pull some kind of "gotcha" revealing some double standard or hypocrisy. That may not be your intent but that's where this sort of thing leads.

It leads to revealing hypocrisy?  Good heavens!  We musn't let such a terrible thing happen.

I think some people genuinely don't understand the impact Rowling has had and still think she's just someone whose impact extends to a few tweets. So I'll repeat the summary that she has:
Helped drive trans children toward self harm and suicide.
Helped reduce the ILGA score of the UK by being a prime motivator in increased hostility towards trans people.
Related transition to being a new form of gay conversion therapy, one that should be further restricted.
Given voice, promotion and platform to numerous transphobes and large anti-trans groups.
Led a revolt that saw the most basic reform for Gender Recognition in the UK scrapped, despite a 70% approval rating.
Added to a pressure that resulted in links to support systems for vulnerable trans children being removed by the BBC.
Put out numerous transphobic articles and tweets turning perception of fans and followers against trans people.
Helped influence a move that saw young trans people face further hardships in accessing trans-affirming healthcare.
Been cited by foreign politicians in their own bids to restrict trans rights, healthcare access and freedoms.
Poisoned discourse around trans access to bathrooms, increasing the violence and uncertainty trans people face.
Rowling is actively destructive to trans lives, especially those in the UK and of younger people looking to live as themselves. The wave of transphobia she sparked and continues to drive has led to legislation being scrapped, rights being removed and calls for trans women to be shot in the street.

She is someone who continues to cause irreparable damage to trans people in this country and abroad.

Also I stubbed by toe real bad when she was doing a TERF oof.  That bitch.

Ergo Propter Hoc


I spent 10 minutes looking for a good cartoon about the concept but had to settle for this.






What, this you would rather have?

[benjipwns]

Why is Nepenthe talking about political assassinations and hate crimes in a thread about cancel culture?  Schizophrenia?

She's just calmly asking that people focus on her interests, which are important, rather than on their own, which are not.

Or are you saying that political assassinations of Black people is okay?

[Polident Hive]

They'll never grapple with the actual problem of "cancel culture" because they're too invested in it. That's why they spend so much time pretending it simply means "receive criticism for bad acts" rather than it's true malicious core. It's an ideology that presents a no-win scenario. Once you're labeled problematic, that's it, you're done. You're revealed as bad forever and everything you've ever done must be reevaluated in this light. Everyone must rush to proclaim how they always knew you were bad and never actually liked you. You can't apologize, you can't say you want to do better because none of it matters, you'll never be forgiven if you aren't already in a privileged position.

Look at the one Joe Rogan thread where they refused to even consider the possibility he could make amends, the only person who even remotely suggested a possibility he could be forgiven proposed that he give all the money he's ever earned to political groups and that they'd consider it. Meanwhile, someone like James Gunn is completely forgiven immediately and the entire thing is called an alt-right smear because everyone knows he's just a good person who slipped a few times, he makes Disney films after all. Or look at everything that happened in the 2020 election where the supposed lesson of #MeToo, that you always believe women and rape accusations are simply not made up, was thrown under the bus because it was too important to beat Trump so it was important to investigate the people making the accusations to see how reliable they are. Or there's B-Dubs and Royalan's violent bigotry that people seem fine with. Same with how they seem fine with Nintendo's vicious anti-Black racism but don't you dare bring up Harry Potter in a non-negative manner. And how about the ever sliding scale of appropriation versus representation where racists determine "good faith" by counting skin colors. But make a joke on Twitter seventeen years ago and FUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK OOOOOOFOFFOOFOFOFOFOOFFFFFF FOREVER!

We just want accountability. (For some. When it's to our advantage.)

There was a thing written about the James Gunn saga and it's a trip. Timeline started with tumblr types trying to get him off the marvel movie. Not from the tweets. Some article written about ranking fictional comic book women with a lot of homophobia and racism as humor. Snowballed into finding out he was some Confederate flag type of Republican. Continued well after the movie came out, as they perceived him as trashing the female co-writer during press interviews. No one cared, because why would they. Years pass. A pivotal moment in American history occurs--Roseanne gets fired. (What are we doing here  ). As retaliation, another batch of weirdos dig up the old pedophile joke tweets and James Gunn is one of the targets. This time, seeing the positive press over firing Roseanne, higher ups at Disney jump on the opportunity for another win. Now the story changes for the tumblr types. Side note: there's something about tumblr policies changing and a migration to twitter. It's very stupid. Anyway, the tumblr story changed to Gunn being an edgy teenage in his forties making bad tweets. All while the right wing types leaned into the pedophile cabal angle. Outside of tweets a lot of that has to do the themed parties and having convicted pedophile friends cameo in his marvel movies. No one outside those extremes cares anymore. I'd argue they never really did.

This past week I saw jokes about a CGI Jeff Garlin on some sitcom going around. I assumed he died and the news missed me. He was on Curb a minute ago. But there were misconduct allegations and they mutually decided for him to leave the show. Valid reason. Whatever the debate about cancel culture is or isn't, exists or doesn't, maybe when you're making a CGI Frankenstein's monster for your sitcom..

[Crumb]

These threads never go well.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/amid-protests-penn-swimmer-lia-thomas-becomes-first-known-transgender-athlete-to-win-division-i-national-championship.563851/

[james]

Cancel culture is real, and its a problem.

Not two months ago, myself, along with three or four of my close acquaintances, were cancelled and expelled from what we thought was a safe, inclusive space.

I didnt think it could happen to me, but it did. And it can happen to you.

[benjipwns]

These threads never go well.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/amid-protests-penn-swimmer-lia-thomas-becomes-first-known-transgender-athlete-to-win-division-i-national-championship.563851/

Should be locked, ResetERA.com does not allow people to post unscientific lies about how people misidentified as male perform better at certain athletic contests.

[Propagandhim]

I dunno, the trans sports thing is a tough one and I don't really have too much of an interest in this topic, but this is a terrible, non-starter argument.  Yeah, being born a cis male athlete is also winning the genetic lottery, but they aren't allowed to play women's sports either?  That's like, the entire reason the trans thing is an issue in sports?  Bet excel thinks she's a real bigbrain for this one.



Here's that dumb argument again.  Hasan must have made a youtube video about it, and they all got their notepads out.

Ultimately, the trans women in sports thing is a good thing.  I'm on the side of anything that makes a) sports more exciting and b) white women cry more.  Watching women's soccer is like going to my nephew's youth games.  Please add more trans to the field so i dont have to sit on my phone the whole time.

Ranking significantly lower in the mens division, if anything, means that she was physically disadvantaged because she isn't cis-male and was in the wrong division.

[benjipwns]

Ranking significantly lower in the mens division, if anything, means that she was physically disadvantaged because she isn't cis-male and was in the wrong division.

Right. The problem is that people don’t care about what’s fair to her as an athlete, they only care about everyone else being (potentially, maybe, i don’t know the data, i’m “just asking questions”) at a disadvantage.

Heaven forbid being born a trans woman might be thought of as having an aspect of winning the genetic lottery

Sports have never been "fair" and random physical traits that confer an advantage are lauded when they occur in cis and endosex women and men.

[HaughtyFrank]

These threads never go well.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/amid-protests-penn-swimmer-lia-thomas-becomes-first-known-transgender-athlete-to-win-division-i-national-championship.563851/

I've only seen this pic going around and... yeah



(The ones who placed second, third and fourth having their own little celebration)

Ranking significantly lower in the mens division, if anything, means that she was physically disadvantaged because she isn't cis-male and was in the wrong division.

 

[NekoFever]

These threads never go well.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/amid-protests-penn-swimmer-lia-thomas-becomes-first-known-transgender-athlete-to-win-division-i-national-championship.563851/

Michael Phelps has like a freaky mutant heart and no one is saying he shouldn’t be able to compete because it’s unfair to the others.

I suspect they would if sports were segregated into mere human hearts and freaky mutant heart divisions.

[benjipwns]

I love how bad all their arguments in favor of it are. Just tell cis women to get the fuck over it, trans women are better at being women swimmers than they are. Deal with it.

[Averon]

How long before that thread is locked and half the people in it are banned for "transphobia"? I'm sure incelsiorlef is vigorously pressing the report button as we speak.

[Tuckers Law]

Does that Ori guy still post on Ree regularly?  If so, witch hunters ‘bout to eat.

https://venturebeat.com/2022/03/18/despite-its-beautiful-ori-games-moon-studio-is-called-an-oppressive-place-to-work/

[Transhuman]

I like how their argument for why cancel culture isn’t real appears to be that people who have been shunned do not cease to exist.

What about August Ames

[benjipwns]

The solution of course would be fighting tooth and nail for early Healthcare for trans youth so we're not forced to experience the trauma of opposite puberty

[HaughtyFrank]

Does that Ori guy still post on Ree regularly?  If so, witch hunters ‘bout to eat.

https://venturebeat.com/2022/03/18/despite-its-beautiful-ori-games-moon-studio-is-called-an-oppressive-place-to-work/

There's a thread where a lot of them declare that they never liked him anyway and clearly something was up with the way he posted

https://www.resetera.com/threads/venturebeat-despite-its-beautiful-ori-games-moon-studio-is-called-an-%E2%80%98oppressive%E2%80%99-place-to-work.563764/

[benjipwns]

It's so cool to see people who didn't give a flying fuck about women's sports suddenly care very much when a trans woman is competing. SO COOL.

All this shit is just a mask for the true feelings, which are (as always) that they do not want us to exist. No, they don't want trans folks to participate in sports. They don't want us to participate in anything, unless you count being hate crime'd participation.

[HaughtyFrank]

I like how their argument for why cancel culture isn’t real appears to be that people who have been shunned do not cease to exist.

What about August Ames

Or Etika...

It's almost like cancel culture has some really horrible consequences when it happens to people who are already vulnerable

[benjipwns]

Nobody in that thread is talking about how the real bigotry is the NCAA insisting on transphobic rules like hormone levels and stuff. Bigots shouldn't be allowed to determine if you're "woman" enough or not to compete in women's sports. The NCAA should forcefully reject J.K. Rowling's hateful demands about their gender policy and allow anyone to identify as they truly are and compete accordingly.

THEN 👏 FUND 👏 WOMEN'S 👏 SPORTS 👏 EQUALLY 👏 AS 👏 TITLE IX 👏 DEMANDS 👏

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-editorial-board-worried-about-“burden”-of-“cancel-culture”-in-america.563758/

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1504929827920486407

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[Lonewulfeus]

Is that top of the page AOC content? 

[ShutUp]

It's so cool to see people who didn't give a flying fuck about women's sports suddenly care very much when a trans woman is competing. SO COOL.

All this shit is just a mask for the true feelings, which are (as always) that they do not want us to exist. No, they don't want trans folks to participate in sports. They don't want us to participate in anything, unless you count being hate crime'd participation.

And here we have a case of “cancel culture does in fact exist” to them

[benjipwns]

I like how their argument for why cancel culture isn’t real appears to be that people who have been shunned do not cease to exist.

What about August Ames

Or Etika...

It's almost like cancel culture has some really horrible consequences when it happens to people who are already vulnerable

Talk shit, get hit.

[Risible]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/everyday-i-learn-a-new-lie-i-was-taught-the-world-might-not-be-flat-but-the-maps-are-all-lies-fat4all-lies.563536/

Imagine being the age he is and not knowing about different map projections or understanding the physics of trying to depict a 3D surface on a 2D one.

[Propagandhim]

It's so cool to see people who didn't give a flying fuck about women's sports suddenly care very much when a trans woman is competing. SO COOL.

All this shit is just a mask for the true feelings, which are (as always) that they do not want us to exist. No, they don't want trans folks to participate in sports. They don't want us to participate in anything, unless you count being hate crime'd participation.

That guy has a point.  Nobody gives a shit about women's sports.  Fill them up with trans athletes, I'm bored of women being unable to do a simple give and go.  Let them show them how it's done.

[benjipwns]

That guy has a point.  Nobody gives a shit about women's sports.  Fill them up with trans athletes, I'm bored of women being unable to do a simple give and go.  Let them show them how it's done.

FACT CHECK: No, you need some cis women.





 

[Propagandhim]