Do you think refusal of service in Iraq should have such steep consequences?

[MrAngryFace]

Possibly 4, thats right 4 years in prison w/ dishonorable discharge. His life is pretty much fucked because he stood by his beliefs. Its a sad day that men and women actually give up their freedoms of this country to not defend the freedom of the people in their country, but OIL DEPOSITS LOL.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_020707WABwatadaEL.5e291ca4.html

[Mupepe]

He knew what might happen if he signed those papers.  Even if I disagree with the punishment, anyone who signs those papers knows what they're getting themselves into.

[Boogie]

oh, 4 years in prison, how horrible.

Do you know what the punishment for such actions during wartime could have been in the first half of the 20th Century?  Execution.

Yes, he's standing by his beliefs, but the Army can't just say "oh, well, you don't want to go to Iraq, okay, off you go"

[The Fake Shemp]

He did enlist after the Iraq war.  I do believe once you're in, voluntarily, you've got to do your duty.  Now if we were to draft, you could have grounds for refusal of service.

[xnikki118x]

He did enlist after the Iraq war.  I do believe once you're in, voluntarily, you've got to do your duty.  Now if we were to draft, you could have grounds for refusal of service.

I agree.

[MrAngryFace]

4 YEARS!

Boogie should spend 4 years in prison to demonstrate what a big deal it isnt lol.

[Boogie]

4 YEARS!

Boogie should spend 4 years in prison to demonstrate what a big deal it isnt lol.

I didn't say it isn't a big deal.  It is a big deal.  But so is desertion.

I said it isn't "such steep consequences" for the offense.

reading comprehension ftw.

[MrAngryFace]

YOU KNOW I CANT READ! YET YOU TROLL ME!

[TVC15]

He did enlist after the Iraq war.  I do believe once you're in, voluntarily, you've got to do your duty.  Now if we were to draft, you could have grounds for refusal of service.

I do agree with you and mupepe, but with a caveat:  Recruiters are lying fucks.  2 of my friends were PROMISED that they would not be shipped to Iraq if they signed up, and that they would get nice, homeland protection positions.  Guess where they are now?  Recruiters lie, and I bet they lied to this dude, too.  Of course, it's impossible to prove it, and even if they did, I'm sure recruiters are allowed to lie.

[xnikki118x]

My best friend's brother was killed by a drunk driver. The guy served like 16 months or some shit like that.

I can't see how refusal to go to war deserves a worse sentence than killing someone. Really.

I do agree though that the guy voluntarily joined the army after we went to war, so he shouldn't really be able to back out now without consequence, but still. I dunno.

[MrAngryFace]

Man the recruiters in Aberdeen WA were used car salesmen. Of course when your office exists in the dying mall of a crappy old logging town I spose somethings gotta matter.

[MrAngryFace]

CAUSE Xnikki! ALL THOSE WONDERFULLY ABSTRACT THINGS LIKE HONOR N SHIT. God damn people will believe in anything.
BESMIRCHING HONOR = 4 YEARS OMG

[Boogie]

He did enlist after the Iraq war.  I do believe once you're in, voluntarily, you've got to do your duty.  Now if we were to draft, you could have grounds for refusal of service.

I do agree with you and mupepe, but with a caveat:  Recruiters are lying fucks.  2 of my friends were PROMISED that they would not be shipped to Iraq if they signed up, and that they would get nice, homeland protection positions.  Guess where they are now?  Recruiters lie, and I bet they lied to this dude, too.  Of course, it's impossible to prove it, and even if they did, I'm sure recruiters are allowed to lie.

hmm, hadn't thought of that, and that's a good point.

But I recall hearing on CNN that he said he would have agreed to go to Afghanistan, but not Iraq.  Doesn't sound like someone who was suckered in by a lying recruiter.

[MrAngryFace]

sounds like someone who has done their research on the hottest resort locations in the middle-east.

[TVC15]

He did enlist after the Iraq war.  I do believe once you're in, voluntarily, you've got to do your duty.  Now if we were to draft, you could have grounds for refusal of service.

I do agree with you and mupepe, but with a caveat:  Recruiters are lying fucks.  2 of my friends were PROMISED that they would not be shipped to Iraq if they signed up, and that they would get nice, homeland protection positions.  Guess where they are now?  Recruiters lie, and I bet they lied to this dude, too.  Of course, it's impossible to prove it, and even if they did, I'm sure recruiters are allowed to lie.

hmm, hadn't thought of that, and that's a good point.

But I recall hearing on CNN that he said he would have agreed to go to Afghanistan, but not Iraq.  Doesn't sound like someone who was suckered in by a lying recruiter.

In that case, I agree with Mupepe and Willco.  Duder shoulda ran to Canada if he wanted to stand his ground without going to Rape Rape Town.

[Phoenix Dark]

Um, what does this have to do with Iraq? That's the basic penalty for desertion/refusal to re-deploy.

If this guy was so vehemantly against the war why did he sign up for the army in 2003?

[MrAngryFace]

Running to Canada doesnt work anymore lol.