For PD: Legislation Obama Has Under His Belt Since 2005(Not 4 Years PD)

[Cheebs]

Note, not of his passed until Jan of 2007, due to the fact he was in the minority and the majority of course tends to shoot down anything the minority comes up with.

Obama sponsored 152 bills and resolutions brought before the 109th Congress in 2005 and 2006, and cosponsored another 427

His first bill was the "Higher Education Opportunity through Pell Grant Expansion Act." Entered in fulfillment of a campaign promise, the bill proposed increasing the maximum amount of Pell Grant awards to help needy students pay their college tuitions.

Beginning in 2005, he co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). Obama later added three amendments to S. 2611, the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act," sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA).

Obama joined Charles Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the recent midterm elections

Obama's energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) of a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050, but were sceptical of Obama's support for a bill promoting liquefied coal production.

Partnering first with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN), and then with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. "Lugar–Obama" expands the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines

The "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act" provides for a website, managed by the Office of Management and Budget, listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract.

He joined with Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) in pressuring the Democratic leadership for tougher restrictions in S.1, the Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act of 2007, which passed the Senate with a 96-2 majority.

AAAAND THE BIGGIE:

On January 30, 2007, Obama introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act" to cap troop levels in Iraq at January 2007 levels and remove all combat brigades from Iraq by March 2008.

[Phoenix Dark]

Now you're using "co-sponsered" bills as evidence?

You realize how many senators do this daily correct? And btw, his Iraq plan is very poor

[Cheebs]

Now you're using "co-sponsered" bills as evidence?

You realize how many senators do this daily correct? And btw, his Iraq plan is very poor

Yet his Iraq plan is the view that the majority of the country holds so it is a "good" plan, electorally.

[Phoenix Dark]

Now you're using "co-sponsered" bills as evidence?

You realize how many senators do this daily correct? And btw, his Iraq plan is very poor

Yet his Iraq plan is the view that the majority of the country holds so it is a "good" plan, electorally.

Since when does that make something credible? The plan makes no sense, and I don't support it at all. Hell Hillary's plan is better.

[Cheebs]

You in the vast minority of the country that doesn't want the troops pulled within 6 months.

Hell Obama's plan is too "conservative" based on where the country is right now on this war.

The knowing the US electorate they jump at the chance of leaving the country tomorrow and cheer about it but in a month when it all goes to hell they'll be pissed off again.

[Phoenix Dark]

You in the vast minority of the country that doesn't want the troops pulled within 6 months.

Hell Obama's plan is too "conservative" based on where the country is right now on this war.

The knowing the US electorate they jump at the chance of leaving the country tomorrow and cheer about it but in a month when it all goes to hell they'll be pissed off again.

That's why I don't care about their opinion much. Americans don't understand the issue, and neither do the hardline liberals who want us to pull out tomorrow (literally). Someone needs to tell them this isn't Vietnam and it's not surrounded by Cambodia.

[Van Cruncheon]

PD, you don't understand the issue, either, so let's not throw contrarian stones in glass forums

[FlameOfCallandor]

The troops cant be withdrawn in 6 months. Thats not a viable option. A year is more realistic.

[Van Cruncheon]

really? based on what experience do you declare this

[Cheebs]

Niether Obama or Hillary call for 6 months so....


Obama says by March 2008. Hillary says she will pull them out in Jan of 2009 soon as she takes the oath of office if they are still there.

[FlameOfCallandor]

really? based on what experience do you declare this

We can't just pack up in leave. Talk about a cess pool for terrorism. It would be far worse than it is now.

 I say we give a year time table. Pack our bags correctly and then leave.

[Flannel Boy]

We can't just pack up in leave. Talk about a cess pool for terrorism. It would be far worse than it is now.

"So you don't want Iraq to be a cess pool of terrorism, eh?"

[Van Cruncheon]

again, on what grounds or knowledge do you assert this as a credible approach

(using conventional wisdom in lieu of actual education on specific matters is what pretty much defines American ignorance of the sort you and PD practice)

[FlameOfCallandor]

I'm sorry Drinky, is there something that you know that I dont?

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah. that you (and PD) don't know jack about the civil history of iraq, or of the middle east in general, and that you have no knowledge to determine what the effects of an immediate, staged, or delayed troop pullout might have on the region, and hence of no way of asserting what the ideal approach is.

but a lack of knowledge or specific education has never prevented americans from holding opinions

[FlameOfCallandor]

yeah. that you (and PD) don't know jack about the civil history of iraq, or of the middle east in general, and that you have no knowledge to determine what the effects of an immediate, staged, or delayed troop pullout might have on the region, and hence of no way of asserting what the ideal approach is.

Please inform of all this history and why leaving tomorrow would a good decision.

[Van Cruncheon]

did i say leaving tomorrow was a good (or bad) decision? i'm simply pointing out that you know shit on the subject, and that you really oughtta keep your opinion to yourself

[FlameOfCallandor]

did i say leaving tomorrow was a good decision? i'm simply pointing out that you know shit on the subject, and that you really oughtta keep your opinion to yourself

 

You take the internet way to seriously, calm the fuck down and get off your pedestal you cigarillo. He asked for an opinion and I gave it. I explained why i thought it was a wise decision and all you did is say "You dont know shit Whaaaa" Dude act your age and stop being a dick every waking moment. How about you actually argue your point instead of making claims about how much stuff I don't know.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

"You dont know shit Whaaaa" Dude act your age and stop being a dick every waking moment.

This is an impossibility for Drinky.

[Van Cruncheon]

i am arguing my point -- that you don't know shit

[FlameOfCallandor]

i am arguing my point -- that you don't know shit

Lawls this guy is HilarIoUS!! Give this man an internet aWard for funnies.

[Van Cruncheon]

well, if you wanna argue my case for me, be my guest

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Drinky

INTARNET'S FUNNIEST POSTER EVAH

[Vizzys]

Oh so this is thread drinky is referring to. FoC make no sudden movements he will get bored and go away.

[Phoenix Dark]

Drinky is a dumbass. This is a sad reality I have come to accept.

But I still love him

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Drinky is a dumbass. This is a sad reality I have come to accept.

But I still love him

Uh... why?

[Phoenix Dark]

Drinky is a dumbass. This is a sad reality I have come to accept.

But I still love him

Uh... why?

He's a king of the internet. I don't take anything he says seriously, yet he still manages to annoy me every now and then.