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hell, let's bring smj back too!
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McTiernan doesnt get anywheres near enough recognition as far as Im concerned. I loved his DH movies and Red October, and really liked Predator and the Thomas Crown remake.

McTiernan is one of the best action directors to come out of the '80s.  It's too bad he often gets saddled with such shit scripts like Rollerball or Rollerblade or whatever the fuck that piece of crap with the kid from American Pie was called.
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I hated Die Hard 4 (over here they call it the whole live free shit which I DO NOT GET).  They made John look like an old ass.  He can't shoot right.  He can't fight right.  And no, not in this movie will you see him even swear right.  The action was half-assed the whole time but the pacing of the story just got worse and worse.  All the story consisted of was long scenes where they're talking about computer bs and then an explosion happens and everybody's shooting each other.  That happens over and over again.

don't wait for dvd.  wait for it to come on tv or maybe download it if you really feel like seeing for yourself if it sucks.  I doubt there's a single person here that can say they would pay $8 to watch it.
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Willco: I could actually see it. I mean, McTiernan seems to be clear of his troubles now, and after the PG-13 debacle, Bruce may wanna give er one more go, and McTiernan seems to do the odd numbered ones.

DH5: McTiernan + Willis + a Gruber = cinema gold in 2012. Believe!

First, debacle? Don't act like you are in the majority on this. DH4 got solid reviews and is having suprisingly good word of mouth at the box office.

Also Willis has said he wants to do part 5 after this, and with 4 easily making back it's budget soon, it wll happen.

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And really, would it have killed Bruce to sport a wig and a wife beater?

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Willco: I could actually see it. I mean, McTiernan seems to be clear of his troubles now, and after the PG-13 debacle, Bruce may wanna give er one more go, and McTiernan seems to do the odd numbered ones.

DH5: McTiernan + Willis + a Gruber = cinema gold in 2012. Believe!

First, debacle? Don't act like you are in the majority on this. DH4 got solid reviews and is having suprisingly good word of mouth at the box office.

Also Willis has said he wants to do part 5 after this, and with 4 easily making back it's budget soon, it wll happen.

Did you read my post, Cheebs? I said PG-13 debacle. Not this-is-a-shitty-movie debacle. Although that applies too. As for its box office, it wont get a single day at #1. Hell, when I saw it, less than a week after it opened, it was already in theatre 10 at my multiplex, which is the last theatre and means it will be gone soon.

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it won't be number 1 against ratatouille.  DECENT movie for all ages versus rape willis' most memorable action character.  Don't believe me?  watch it.

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And really, would it have killed Bruce to sport a wig and a wife beater?

i don't really see what the big deal is with a bald john mcclane. willis has gotten older and he looks awesome as a bald mcclane. his hair looked weird in 16 blocks, i dunno if that was a wig or not but i prefer him bald nowadays.
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it was already in theatre 10 at my multiplex, which is the last theatre and means it will be gone soon.
well that may be canada. The movie is BEATING expectations overall here. It is doing better numbers than predicted due to strong WOM and should easily top Die Hard 2 and be the most successful film in the franchise (non-inflated obviously) earning back it's budget and then some with over 120-130 million. As of 4th of July it's made nearly 70 million.


i don't really see what the big deal is with a bald john mcclane. willis has gotten older and he looks awesome as a bald mcclane. his hair looked weird in 16 blocks, i dunno if that was a wig or not but i prefer him bald nowadays.

Agreed. I mean it's 2007 now. It is very common and perfectly normal for white guys when going bald to just shave it all off. Plus shaven head Willis looks younger than a Willis with big bald spots overall.
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And really, would it have killed Bruce to sport a wig and a wife beater?

i don't really see what the big deal is with a bald john mcclane. willis has gotten older and he looks awesome as a bald mcclane. his hair looked weird in 16 blocks, i dunno if that was a wig or not but i prefer him bald nowadays.

He looked weird in that movie because he had that awful moustache. Again, the hair/beater combo would go that extra mile in adding some sense of continuity/this actually being a DH movie. As it stands, it sure as hell didnt feel like one.

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And really, would it have killed Bruce to sport a wig and a wife beater?

i don't really see what the big deal is with a bald john mcclane. willis has gotten older and he looks awesome as a bald mcclane. his hair looked weird in 16 blocks, i dunno if that was a wig or not but i prefer him bald nowadays.

He looked weird in that movie because he had that awful moustache. Again, the hair/beater combo would go that extra mile in adding some sense of continuity/this actually being a DH movie. As it stands, it sure as hell didnt feel like one.
But why would he have to keep his hair? Like I said today it is VERY normal for white guys who are going bald to shave it all off.

People don't tend to keep the same hairstyle for 20 years! Willis looks 10x better shaved, if Willis shaved off his balding hair why can't McClane?

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And really, would it have killed Bruce to sport a wig and a wife beater?

i don't really see what the big deal is with a bald john mcclane. willis has gotten older and he looks awesome as a bald mcclane. his hair looked weird in 16 blocks, i dunno if that was a wig or not but i prefer him bald nowadays.

He looked weird in that movie because he had that awful moustache. Again, the hair/beater combo would go that extra mile in adding some sense of continuity/this actually being a DH movie. As it stands, it sure as hell didnt feel like one.

i thought the 'stache looked awesome it was just his hairdo that bothered me. it looked so straight compared to his more natural looking hair in the previous dh's
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Personally I think he doesnt look overly cool bald. He looks a lot older, actually. He was one of the few people ever who successfully rocked the balding look.

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who gives a shit how he dresses?  the movie was boring.

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Die Hard 4.0 was a big smelly turd.  Worst movie of the year so far, followed closely by Pirates 3.
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The Devil's Rejects (Zombie, 2005) - 8.5/10

Still as insane and strangely engaging as ever. I'm not sure why people want to paint this into the corner of the horror genre, as it is clearly much more of a road movie that just so happens to feature a band of homicidal lunatics as our protaganists. I've said it several times before, but I feel it needs to be said again: in recent memory, I can think of no director who has made such a quantum leap in talent between his first and second film as Rob Zombie. Both in the technical arena, and in his writing, Zombie went from someone who I couldn't care less to see direct a movie, to someone I am definitely a fan of, over the course of two movies. What I really love about this movie is that Zombie takes these people, who are essentially the scum of the earth, and the villains of the first movie, and turns everything on its head, and by the end of this second movie, has us rooting for them. Everything climaxes with the brilliant "Free Bird" scene, which is still one my favorite scenes in any movie in the last decade. Highly recommended.

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I do not like it at all.
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The Terminator (Cameron, 1984) - 8.5/10

While my own personal preference is for the film's sequel, there is no denying that this original film contains all the creativity and innovation. In fact, this being the first I had watched both films in relatively close proximity in years, it really struck me how the second is really nothing more than a glorified remake of the first (but featuring much higher production values, better effects, and more competent direction from Cameron). It is in this first film that Cameron really had to use his brain and stretch the sort of budget any unknown director would have been given back then. This movie is pretty tightly edited and well-paced, saying everything it needs to in a lean 100 minutes. Most of the film seems to have been shot on location, at night, in rundown areas of Los Angeles. This not only would keep the budget down, but it really adds to the sense of a bleak future that Cameron was going for. I've never been able to figure out why Michael Biehn never became a star. His performance really anchors the movie, and balances out a rather simple, somewhat bland Arnie outing. There's not much else really to say about the movie (or its themes, impact, or social commentary) that hasn't been said a million times before. All I will say is that, along with Blade Runner and Brazil, James Cameron's The Terminator is one of the most important science fiction movies of the 1980's.

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I'm sorry, but that film has not aged well at all.  The last twenty minutes of the film are nearly unwatchable with the green screen stop motion effects.  It absolutely destroys all the tension in that film.
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That only comes into play in like 3-4 scenes though. For the most part, they wisely choose to just use a practical model close-up (presumably moved by a puppeteer). But I hear ya. Those stop-motion scenes are pretty bad, as are certain scenes of Arnie's face when he is cutting himself open which is obviously a model head. I generally let that slide since it was 1984, and they didnt have much of a budget, Cameron being an unknown and all.

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Three to four scenes?  It undoes the whole climax!  It's really hard to take the threat of an unstoppable killing machine seriously because the effects are so bad and as so, there's no longer any tension or dread.  It's actually kind of boring now.  I understand the time period, but budget is no excuse.  Cameron got too ambitious with his budget and now the film suffers as a result.

The stuff prior to that is pretty great, though.  Due to a poorly aged and pretty boring climax, the film is like a C- for me.  I appreciate its impact, but that doesn't necessarily make it great as a result.
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I haven't watched T1 in its entirety in so long.  :(

Like Solo, I think Michael Biehn is awesome.
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I'm sorry, but that film has not aged well at all.  The last twenty minutes of the film are nearly unwatchable with the green screen stop motion effects.  It absolutely destroys all the tension in that film.

I disagree.

T1 > T2. But it's kind of like Alien vs Aliens, where they're each good for different reasons.

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Biehn is like my favorite 80's action dude, hands down. It made my heart happy to see him in Planet Terror.

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For me:

Alien > Aliens
T2 > T1

All 4 are some of my favorite sci-fi movies though.

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I can't wait for Cameron to make me his bitch with Avatar. I am slowly working on morphing the GAF Transformers thread into an Avatar one  :lol

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Yea, that movie is going to be fucking INCREDIBLE.

And Solo, I could've sworn you ALWAYS, ALWAYS say T1 is the better movie. Are you still saying that when you state "originality and innovation" and that T2 is only your PERSONAL preference?
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I wanna see Biehn, Weaver, Paxton, Henrikson, and even an Arnie cameo in it. All the Cameron peeps. I would love that.

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T1 like I said is the real movie. T2 is like the hot sex remake. I tend to give T1 props over it for blazing the trail, but I feel that T2 is the better product, and its also my personal preference. T2 is only like the perfect action movie. 9 times outta 10, Ill watch 2 over 1. But you gotta revisit the original sometimes.
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If Transformers is better than Avatar, you'll be sorry.
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I cant see that happening. Transformers is a popcorn flick, nothing wrong with that. Cameron's movies are also popcorn flicks for the most part, but theres always something else, something deeper at work. Bay doesnt have that. His movies are as superficial as they get.

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Transformers is a pretty low bar
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I cant see that happening. Transformers is a popcorn flick, nothing wrong with that. Cameron's movies are also popcorn flicks for the most part, but theres always something else, something deeper at work.



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Transformers is a pretty low bar

That's why it be funny.

I'm hesitant to get on the Avatar bandwagon.  Cameron has been out of commission on a real project for quite some time.  It's rare to have an artist jump in after such a long hiatus and be as good as he was at his peak.  I guess we'll find out.

And Transformers is DEEP, Solo.  You just don't get it.  See, they're robots but they're MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE.
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I havent watched TL in years. Thankfully, since Ive been revisiting the Cameron filmography, I will be seeing it again soon.

EDIT: I was hesitant too, Willco. But rewatching his old shit has reignited my excitement.

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I actually like True Lies the least out of Cameron's stuff.
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I havent watched TL in years. Thankfully, since Ive been revisiting the Cameron filmography, I will be seeing it again soon.

Along with Die Hard 1 and 3, it's ALWAYS on Fox Movie Channel. :lol
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Also, oddly enough, I think James Cameron would be awesome for a Transformers movie.  Especially since it'll need a new writer and Bay is haggling with Paramount over his contract.
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Personally I think its:

T2 > Aliens > The Abyss > The Terminator > True Lies > Titanic

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I am down with that, if only because I pretty much hate Titanic.  True Lies bugs me because it's like half comedy, half SERIOS ACTION (and in that order).  It doesn't really know what kind of film it wants to be.
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Yea, good order there, although I haven't seen The Abyss in so long and don't remember any of it.
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The Abyss is too long and boring at times, but the ending is cool and Alan Silvestri pumped out one of the best motion picture scores in decades.  Probably one of the most underrated film scores evar!
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Yea, good order there, although I haven't seen The Abyss in so long and don't remember any of it.

I havent seen it in a long time either, like TL. So the order may change once Ive re-viewed his other 3 movies again (Abyss, TL, Titanic). I make it a point to watch T1, T2, and Aliens at least once a year.

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I'd figure I'd use your thread to post my review, Solo:

TRANSFORMERS: B-

There's not much need to write anything here, so I'll cut to the chase - this is a raw, entertaining piece of robot, gun and military porn.  And it's fun.  And even more surprisingly, it's funny.  The humor works for the most part, although a few gags are juvenile (Bumblebee urinates on John Turturro!) and some just fall flat (John Turturro is crazy!).  It's cheesy , but it knows its cheesy and that kind of self-relevance really helps the movie a long way.

The film opens up with a fantastic action set piece in Qatar that introduces how destructive the robots are.  These aren't the boxy sentient beings from the cartoon, whose lasers made "pew! pew!" noises - these things are giant pieces of metallic destruction that will beat the living shit out of you.  They don't look cheesy or dumb, they look like walking pieces of carnage.

Then we meander in and out of what feels like a Spielberg film.  Shia LeBouf wants the car to get the hot chick (Megan Fox, who looks insanely hot) and finds an otherworldly protector in Bumblebee as a Camaro.  It feels like coming of age tale and it feels suburban and it's got humor never seen in a Bay film, but we've seen all of these elements in a Spielberg film.  Even the way the Autobots are utilized early on, as a form of comedic relief (they struggle to stay incognito and at one point Ironhide recommends incinerating Shia's parents) and gentle giants feels very Spielberg.  One wonders how involved he was.

The paper thin story has just enough juice to juggle its convenient subplots to the film's MacGuffin (called the Allspark here!) and a frozen Megatron.  His mere physical form just looks evil and his presence, voiced by Hugo Weaving, is so menacing that you wonder if the Autobots are more worried about the MacGuffin or Megatron.  Also, why the military would house something that just looks like evil incarnate, waiting for the inevitable day it thaws out and slaughters mankind, is mind boggling.  But I digress, because if you're looking for a gritty and clever Sci-Fi story, you're all out of luck in this installment.

What Transformers is, especially in its last half (in which Bay has murdered his Spielberg-self and is in full out Bad Boys II w/ robots mode), is loud and big and chock full of explosions as the robots launch an all out inner city war against one another.  The Autobots, so determined to protect humanity, don't really seem to care about the mounting body count, especially as Optimus Prime and Megatron crash through office and apartment buildings.  Which, despite the almost positive decimation of half of the population of "Mission City", is one of the most awesome things put on celluloid. 

No matter what you think of the story, how preposterous is, the fact is that Bay and ILM have created imagery on a scale that you've never, ever seen before.  Prior to the inner city ruckus, and clocking in just shy of four minutes, the brawl between Prime and Barricade (from transformation to Prime's violent resolution) made jaws unhinge in the theater.  I don't think I've heard an audience kind of make a collective gasp like that in a long time.

One wishes Bay had a real set of writers or (at the very least) a better shooting script, because this film falls short of the definitive blockbuster status it reaches for.  Shia LeBouf and amazing robot imagery carry the entire film, which struggles with its subplots and lack of fleshed out characters, but is never completely undone by its faults.  In such an awful year for blockbusters, this one is easily the best, and is a great deal of fun.  I enjoyed it as an adult, but I bet if I was 8-years-old, I would probably consider this the greatest film of all-time.

Overall: Michael Bay pulls out every conceivable trick from his beginning-to-feel overused bag of tricks, and combines them with the fantastic use of real military props and ILM wizardry to make one of the slickest action films this decade that overcomes a paper thin story and shoddy character development.  Way better than an adaptation of an animated 80s cartoon deserves to be.
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hahah B-

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paper thin story and shoddy character development

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For relevance:

Hot Fuzz: A+
Spider-Man 3: D+
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End: F
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer: C+
Live Free or Die Hard: C-
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Spider-Man 3 needs an F too
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As a Raimi aficionado, I enjoyed the parts where Raimi lets his freak flag fly and that prevents the film from being a failure to me, personally.  To those that aren't fans or don't want to dabble into our occult, I can see how the film could be perceived as a total failure.

I think CrystalGemini said it best, despite Transformers matching Spider-Man 3's running time, we both never (ever!) looked at our watches.  It goes by fast.  Spider-Man 3 felt long.  And for both of us, Pirates was like going to the dentist.  I think we both sighed when we realized how long the end was going to be.
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Pirates was so fucking bad.
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It was probably one of the worst times I had in theaters, and I felt bad because the two of us saw it on CrystalGemini's birthday (she wanted to go).  What a shitty way to ring in your new year!
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I am down with that, if only because I pretty much hate Titanic.  True Lies bugs me because it's like half comedy, half SERIOS ACTION (and in that order).  It doesn't really know what kind of film it wants to be.

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what if it tries to be part comedy part serious action.
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So because Transformers was bad for a shorter period of time it gets a better grade? B- is way to high for such shallow trash.
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i'd like to know if willco prefers transformers over true lies.
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I probably like them both the same.  Transformers is pretty much the same comedy/action tone throughout, but it does feel Spielbergian at times.  It doesn't have the identity crisis that True Lies has.

And Transformers was never bad over any period of time.

So because Transformers was bad for a shorter period of time it gets a better grade? B- is way to high for such shallow trash.

A better grade than what?  I don't even know what you're trolling about today!
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PTOC3! S-M3!
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Dude, it's easily better than both.  Easily.  Not a contest.  Pirates was a chore to watch and even Spidey was tiresome, and that's for a rabid Raimi fanboy such as myself.
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I told you, Hot Fuzz will be THE movie of 07, just like Shaun was for its year.
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I told you, Hot Fuzz will be THE movie of 07, just like Shaun was for its year.

It is for now, that's for sure.
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Nope, will be. Guaranteed.
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Nope, will be. Guaranteed.

rush hour 3 will shit all over it.
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The Rush Hour 3 trailer had two moderately funny bits, the rest was crickets.  And that was the trailer!
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