If you post in this thread you are a loser, armchair CEO queef that hates games

[Mupepe]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5616286&postcount=855

I hate both of those fucks.

Handheld gaming is not comparable to console gaming.  The GC was not a full generation more powerful than the PS2.  Good God.

[ferrarimanf355]

LACK OF SINGLE PLAYER VARIETY = 360 gets VF5EVO huzzah

Good things do come to those who wait, amirite? 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Hopefully I'm right...

[close]

invite sp0rsk

And Anihawk. 

[Himu]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5616286&postcount=855

I hate both of those fucks.

Handheld gaming is not comparable to console gaming.  The GC was not a full generation more powerful than the PS2.  Good God.

Setting the bar lower.

[Himu]

So gaffers are trying to copy mupepe's forum now...

how so

[Tauntaun]

So gaffers are trying to copy mupepe's forum now...

how so

Penis and piss pics.

[Cheebs]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5616286&postcount=855

I hate both of those fucks.

Handheld gaming is not comparable to console gaming.  The GC was not a full generation more powerful than the PS2.  Good God.

It shouldn't be compared but it is safe to say the Wii will probably continue to be #1 in USA. I say this as someone who adores his 360 but grew tired of his wii a while ago. 

It's just a simple truth everyone has to accept.

[tiesto]

Hmm... as long as the VC keeps on rolling out the hits, I'm perfectly fine with the Wii-domination.

[Phoenix Dark]

Wii will dominate for awhile; the hype is refusing to die down. Games like Wii Play should help it to keep "non-gamers" interested, and then when the Wii Exercise game comes out BAM, megaton sales.

The 360 is going to sell well this next few months as people shift from the PS2 to the 360.

[Mupepe]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5616286&postcount=855

I hate both of those fucks.

Handheld gaming is not comparable to console gaming.  The GC was not a full generation more powerful than the PS2.  Good God.

It shouldn't be compared but it is safe to say the Wii will probably continue to be #1 in USA. I say this as someone who adores his 360 but grew tired of his wii a while ago. 

It's just a simple truth everyone has to accept.

eh, I'm not sure it will dominate.  I expect it to do very well and wouldn't be surprised if it became #1.  But it's going to need games that really take advantage of the Wii's unique capabilities.

But the point was that his analogies were distinguished mentally-challenged

[Cheebs]

Wii will dominate for awhile; the hype is refusing to die down. Games like Wii Play should help it to keep "non-gamers" interested, and then when the Wii Exercise game comes out BAM, megaton sales.

The 360 is going to sell well this next few months as people shift from the PS2 to the 360.

Yep. I see 360 taking on the majority of the 18+ gamer crowd who plays madden and gta. Though unless something major happens it won't be enough to pull ahead of the wii, wii has insane hype never before seen in gaming since NES. Putting PS3 in a bad place, there is no room for it.

[PhoenixWright]

Wii will dominate for awhile; the hype is refusing to die down. Games like Wii Play should help it to keep "non-gamers" interested, and then when the Wii Exercise game comes out BAM, megaton sales.

The 360 is going to sell well this next few months as people shift from the PS2 to the 360.

Yep. I see 360 taking on the majority of the 18+ gamer crowd who plays madden and gta. Though unless something major happens it won't be enough to pull ahead of the wii, wii has insane hype never before seen in gaming since NES. Putting PS3 in a bad place, there is no room for it.

PS3 has a place. The problem its the same place that 360 already took. Sony is trying hard to reach out to American gamers, and make games more to their taste (Sports, FPS, etc.) But 360 has been doing that for a year, for $200 cheaper, and PS3 has brought nothing new to the table other than to try to be like 360. Sony needs something to stand out, or else they're just going to be a more expensive 360.

[Himu]

Not to mention 360 has more rpgs than ps3. lol ps3. Making japafags am cry globally.

[Mana Knight]

Not to mention 360 has more rpgs than ps3. lol ps3. Making japafags am cry globally.

But you also have to remember, the Dreamcast was better than the PS2 in RPGs (since Dreamcast was out for over a year before PS2.  It had RPGs like Grandia II, Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue (maybe not 100% RPG, but something), and PSO).  It took the PS2 over a year to get going to have a good RPGs, and a few years to have several good RPGs.  I think the same will happen with PS3 (eventually having a good selection of great RPGs), but it will be a few years (I don't feel it will ever top PS1 and PS2 in RPGs, but I don't think Wii or 360 will either.  Nothing will IMO). 

[Cheebs]

Not to mention 360 has more rpgs than ps3. lol ps3. Making japafags am cry globally.

But you also have to remember, the Dreamcast was better than the PS2 in RPGs (since Dreamcast was out for over a year before PS2.  It had RPGs like Grandia II, Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue (maybe not 100% RPG, but something), and PSO).  It took the PS2 over a year to get going to have a good RPGs, and a few years to have several good RPGs.  I think the same will happen with PS3 (eventually having a good selection of great RPGs), but it will be a few years (I don't feel it will ever top PS1 and PS2 in RPGs, but I don't think Wii or 360 will either.  Nothing will IMO). 

Yeah but unlike DC vs. PS2 the 360 is doing much better in the marketplace than PS3, PS3 is a failure so far. Especially in Japan where the rpg's come from.

[tiesto]

To be honest, I think the Wii may end up getting the glut of the RPG library. Like honestly, are there any other RPGs announced for PS3 aside from FFXIII?

Many of the PS2 RPGs were pretty low-budget, niche titles - games like all the SMT spinoffs, the Gust games, Metal Saga, the NIS SRPGs etc. I am willing to bet, with the dominance of the Wii in Japan, many of these titles are gonna go to there - low development costs + large userbase - and it'll start a recursive loop - more RPGs on Wii -> greater Japanese sales -> even more RPGs -> DQ10 getting announced for the system with the highest userbase -> even MORE RPGs.

The upcoming 360 RPG library looks excellent, both Western and Eastern. A vast improvement over the original Xbox's, not to mention the Japanese support is much better. Unfortunately it looks like the hardcore RPG fans are gonna need to buy all 3 systems this time around for their fix. I just hope MS keeps on financing Mistwalker and encourages other Japanese companies to put some high-budget titles on there.

[Himu]

Not to mention 360 has more rpgs than ps3. lol ps3. Making japafags am cry globally.

But you also have to remember, the Dreamcast was better than the PS2 in RPGs (since Dreamcast was out for over a year before PS2.  It had RPGs like Grandia II, Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue (maybe not 100% RPG, but something), and PSO).  It took the PS2 over a year to get going to have a good RPGs, and a few years to have several good RPGs.  I think the same will happen with PS3 (eventually having a good selection of great RPGs), but it will be a few years (I don't feel it will ever top PS1 and PS2 in RPGs, but I don't think Wii or 360 will either.  Nothing will IMO). 

Yeah but ps3 is losing support, not gaining any. I have yet to believe that they will gain more too because sales have been pretty lack luster. The same thing that ps2 did to DC is happening to the ps3, only in reverse, because it came out after the competition that's taking away all of it's support.

Yeah but unlike DC vs. PS2 the 360 is doing much better in the marketplace than PS3, PS3 is a failure so far. Especially in Japan where the rpg's come from.

Not to mention the American ones like Mass Effect and Fable 2. 360 is the best mish mash of awesome.

[Himu]

To be honest, I think the Wii may end up getting the glut of the RPG library. Like honestly, are there any other RPGs announced for PS3 aside from FFXIII?

Many of the PS2 RPGs were pretty low-budget, niche titles - games like all the SMT spinoffs, the Gust games, Metal Saga, the NIS SRPGs etc. I am willing to bet, with the dominance of the Wii in Japan, many of these titles are gonna go to there - low development costs + large userbase - and it'll start a recursive loop - more RPGs on Wii -> greater Japanese sales -> even more RPGs -> DQ10 getting announced for the system with the highest userbase -> even MORE RPGs.

The upcoming 360 RPG library looks excellent, both Western and Eastern. A vast improvement over the original Xbox's, not to mention the Japanese support is much better. Unfortunately it looks like the hardcore RPG fans are gonna need to buy all 3 systems this time around for their fix. I just hope MS keeps on financing Mistwalker and encourages other Japanese companies to put some high-budget titles on there.

Yep. Anyone expecting all of the rpg series from past playstation systems to appear on the ps3 for the sole sake of brand loyalty is kidding themselves. The only reason those games stuck with ps was because it was the leader. Not so much anymore. Especially since all the best ps2 rpgs were niche ones, with VERY small budgets. Why would these developers want to develop these games for ps3, when they don't have the budget to make it stand out like genre graphic whore games like FFXIII?

Also, there is another rpg for ps3: White Knight Story. It's by level 5 and looks AWESOME.

And nawwww @ hardcore rpg gamers are going to need to get all 3 three systems. FF, at it's current state and quality, does not warrant a 500 dollar hardware purchase. Hell, no single game does, but even more so if that series has only shelled out continuous failures in it's recent past.

Would anyone here honestly buy a ps3 for FFXIII if it was the same quality as FFXII? I don't think so.

[Mana Knight]

Yeah but unlike DC vs. PS2 the 360 is doing much better in the marketplace than PS3, PS3 is a failure so far. Especially in Japan where the rpg's come from.

If you're calling the PS3 a failure in Japan, then you might as well call the 360 a failure, since its Japanese userbase is 1/2 of PS3.  And many JRPGs outside of Final Fantasy and a few Square Enix franchises just don't sell in the U.S.  I'll add too that Sony does have internal studios and independent third parties they work with, to produce RPGs (like Wild Arms, a Level 5 RPG, etc.), so PS3 will be having JRPGs.  Sony may not have published many of their own on PS2 (compared to PS3), but I actually see that rising.  There are over 100 first party PS3 games in development, so we'll see what comes up.

Don't count PS3 out yet, because there's still Europe left, where preorders have been very strong.  Also, from what I believe, PS2 had its biggest dominance in Europe (partially because of many of own Sony's franchises). 

I don't care where RPGs end up since I own both a PS3/360, and I plan to get a Wii.

[Himu]

Yes but, as the original Xbox showed us, you don't need to be successful in Japan to be considered a successful console. 360 is showing us this even more, because it has more japanese support than the ps3 right now.

Why? Because the Japanese developers are finally realizing that there's more than Japan out there, and in order to survive they're going to have to shift emphasis while still developing quality products.

On a global scale, ps3 is a disaster. 360 isn't.

And many JRPGs outside of Final Fantasy and a few Square Enix franchises just don't sell in the U.S.

So? That didn't stop publishers releasing them on the most popular system in the US territory, so that theory is flawed. They released these games on the most popular system and a lot of them still sold less than expected.

[Mupepe]

White Knights or whatever for the PS3 looks fap worthy

[Cheebs]

White Knights or whatever for the PS3 looks fap worthy

It does but too bad it won't sell well with like 3 PS3 owners in total in Japan.

[Phoenix Dark]

White Knights or whatever for the PS3 looks fap worthy

Too bad it'll bomb and cause the developer to lose millions

[Himu]

Level 5 port it to 360!

[Phoenix Dark]

More like the DS lolz

[VALIS]

I just had this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143435

locked because... well, I don't know, exactly. Because it's from theinquirer.net? I've never heard of the site before. Does it have a really bad rep or something? Browsing through it just now it looks fine to me.

[Himu]

Wow. Gaf sucks. 'ISN'T THAT SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE BANNED LIST." Jesus, make your gaping assholish biases even MORE OBVIOUS why don'tcha?

[Phoenix Dark]

Note: anything that's named "The Inquirer" is shit. That includes the newspaper and the site.

This was posted on GAF awhile ago and got locked too. Although, the bit about the production costs on the PS3 vs the 360 is interesting. It's been hinted at before

[Cheebs]

Wow. Gaf sucks. 'ISN'T THAT SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE plutoed LIST." Jesus, make your gaping assholish biases even MORE OBVIOUS why don'tcha?

They don't want to hear the truth about PS3. Look at the NPD thread. They are all like WOO RESISTANCE <3 when it is being destroyed by fucking wario ware.

[Himu]

Wario Ware owns though.

[Cheebs]

Wario Ware owns though.

It does but Resistance is THE killer app for PS3. When a filler title with little advertising or press crushes it there is something wrong in Sony land.

[Phoenix Dark]

Wario Ware owns though.

It does but Resistance is THE killer app for PS3. When a filler title with little advertising or press crushes it there is something wrong in Sony land.

No one cares about Resistance. It's like PD0, but obviously a better game: something that comes out at launch and just can't create the buzz or interest as a Halo.

[Cheebs]

Wario Ware owns though.

It does but Resistance is THE killer app for PS3. When a filler title with little advertising or press crushes it there is something wrong in Sony land.

No one cares about Resistance. It's like PD0, but obviously a better game: something that comes out at launch and just can't create the buzz or interest as a Halo.

But unlike 360 there is no killer app out around now in the vein of Oblivion or GRAW to really get the masses buying games. And don't say VF5. A niche game on a system with a pitfull installed base AAAND a port to 360 announced before it even releases will take a miracle to break the top 10 next month.

[PhoenixWright]

"Banned Site List"

I say we tell them to screw themselves by having links to all their banned sites at the bottom of the EB "choose forum" page. 

[Phoenix Dark]

Wario Ware owns though.

It does but Resistance is THE killer app for PS3. When a filler title with little advertising or press crushes it there is something wrong in Sony land.

No one cares about Resistance. It's like PD0, but obviously a better game: something that comes out at launch and just can't create the buzz or interest as a Halo.

But unlike 360 there is no killer app out around now in the vein of Oblivion or GRAW to really get the masses buying games. And don't say VF5. A niche game on a system with a pitfull installed base AAAND a port to 360 announced before it even releases will take a miracle to break the top 10 next month.

True. Feb is going to be ugly for the PS3.

But a lot of big games come out in March - it'll be interesting to see how the PS3 does with good software on the shelf.

[Cheebs]

Wario Ware owns though.

It does but Resistance is THE killer app for PS3. When a filler title with little advertising or press crushes it there is something wrong in Sony land.

No one cares about Resistance. It's like PD0, but obviously a better game: something that comes out at launch and just can't create the buzz or interest as a Halo.

But unlike 360 there is no killer app out around now in the vein of Oblivion or GRAW to really get the masses buying games. And don't say VF5. A niche game on a system with a pitfull installed base AAAND a port to 360 announced before it even releases will take a miracle to break the top 10 next month.

True. Feb is going to be ugly for the PS3.

But a lot of big games come out in March - it'll be interesting to see how the PS3 does with good software on the shelf.

It depends, good software or software that is appealing to mainstream consumers? Okami was a good game but not one to sell consoles.

The big exclusive games in March are    MotorStorm....and well that is it. At least according to IGN and Ebgames.com.

There is internet hype for Motorstorm but I don't see how it at all appeals to joe-consumers and is a system seller.

[Phoenix Dark]

I don't think it'll be a system seller actually, at least not to casual gamers. Hardcore PS2 owners are a different story. Will they move to the PS3 next month for Motorstorm and VF5, or continue to wait? That base is huge, and like the GBA based will decide the winner of the DS/PSP "war" (hint: it'll be over in April), the PS2 base will be influencial in the next gen wars. Personally I don't think they'll move to the PS3, at least not in droves.

Expect sales droughts, just like the 360 last spring. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 starts selling less than 100,000 a month during a couple points this spring

[Cheebs]

The thing is the PS2 consumer base did not buy it for sony first party titles, DMC, or MGS. Those are hardcore sony gamer games and they sell very well to that base. But so did Zelda and Mario to the Nintendo base on GCN. The PS2 consumers were interested in madden, gta, and other games similar to that. 360 seems to have that base covered much better.

PS3 seems to be, at least for the next year based on it's lineup of exclusives to be for hardcore Sony fans only. Much like GCN was for with Nintendo. And that is NOT a place a company wants to be.

[Phoenix Dark]

Especially at $600 lol. Sony am fucked, especially once DMC4 and other previous exclusives move to the 360

[Cheebs]

I also see a problem in that I can't picture Sony fanboys being as devoted as Nintendo ones were during the hard times. I think the Sony's will be more apt to jump ship.

EDIT: Lost Planet sales seal the deal for me. DMC 4 will be on 360. Capcom's base IS 360 now. There is no doubt about it.

[Phoenix Dark]

I also see a problem in that I can't picture Sony fanboys being as devoted as Nintendo ones were during the hard times. I think the Sony's will be more apt to jump ship.

EDIT: Lost Planet sales seal the deal for me. DMC 4 will be on 360. Capcom's base IS 360 now. There is no doubt about it.

1 360 LOST PLANET: EXTREME CONDIT 329,341
2 PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR 224,024
3 360 GEARS OF WAR 212,209
4 WII WARIOWARE: SMOOTH MOVES 201,249
5 WII LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT P 188,858
6 PS2 MADDEN NFL 07 155,940
7 GCN LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT P 143,572
8 PS3 RESISTANCE: FALL OF MAN 143,502
9 360 TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX: V 135,099
10 NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS 125,184

11 NDS BRAIN AGE: TRAIN YOUR BRAIN 95,143
12 360 CALL OF DUTY 3 83,894
13 WII RAYMAN RAVING RABBIDS 81,094
14 360 LOST PLANET: EXTREME CONDIT 79,332
15 PS3 MADDEN NFL 07 75,244
16 PS2 WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2007 73,084
17 NDS NINTENDOGS: DALMATIAN & FRI 72,549
18 PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: VICE CITY 71,866
19 NDS YOSHI'S ISLAND 2 71,807
20 PS2 FINAL FANTASY XII 69,784

21 XBX HALO 2 69,588
22 NDS MARIO KART 69,233
23 360 MADDEN NFL 07 68,771
24 NDS POKEMON MYSTERY DUNGEON: BL 68,702
25 PSP MADDEN NFL 07 68,648
26 PS2 NCAA MARCH MADNESS 07 68,524
27 PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO: SAN ANDRE 68,077
28 NDS HANNAH MONTANA 68,059
29 PS2 NEED FOR SPEED: CARBON 65,297
30 NDS NINTENDOGS: DACHSHUND & FRI 65,135

So 400,000+ for Lost Planet. Capcom is doing very well with the 360, and once they start seeing the lackluster PS3 software sales (just look at that list) they'll make the right decision.

There's no way Sony fans will be as loyal as the Nintendo fans were during the N64/GC days. Nintendo fans actually have an emotional, vested interest in Nintendo products - software and hardware. They remember the first time they played Mario, the first time they saved in Zelda, etc. Sony fans don't have that because most of their favorite Playstation games were not Sony based. They remember games like Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil, games which either might move to the 360 or already have. Sure there's Final Fantasy still (for now), but even Dragon Quest has moved to the DS.

[Flannel Boy]

hmmmm...
It looks like evilbore doesn't have a gaming forum so people have to talk about videogames in the GAF thread.

Willco get on it!

[Cheebs]

hmmmm...
It looks like evilbore doesn't have a gaming forum so people have to talk about videogames in the GAF thread.

Willco get on it!

Willco locks topics about sales though lol

[Flannel Boy]

hmmmm...
It looks like evilbore doesn't have a gaming forum so people have to talk about videogames in the GAF thread.

Willco get on it!

Willco locks topics about sales though lol

Willco create a sales forum. I want to talk about Kleenex vs. Scott.

[T234]

TO HELL WITH SALES-AGE

[Himu]

Wario Ware owns though.

It does but Resistance is THE killer app for PS3. When a filler title with little advertising or press crushes it there is something wrong in Sony land.

No one cares about Resistance. It's like PD0, but obviously a better game: something that comes out at launch and just can't create the buzz or interest as a Halo.

But unlike 360 there is no killer app out around now in the vein of Oblivion or GRAW to really get the masses buying games. And don't say VF5. A niche game on a system with a pitfull installed base AAAND a port to 360 announced before it even releases will take a miracle to break the top 10 next month.

VF isn't niche. VF4 sold enough to get a greatest hit and back in the day, it was the sole reason I wanted a Saturn. That's definitely not niche.

[Himu]

The thing is the PS2 consumer base did not buy it for sony first party titles, DMC, or MGS. Those are hardcore sony gamer games and they sell very well to that base. But so did Zelda and Mario to the Nintendo base on GCN. The PS2 consumers were interested in madden, gta, and other games similar to that. 360 seems to have that base covered much better

Wrong again. Where does Cheebs get this stuff?

DMC1 sold 4 million world wide. By the time DMC3 came out it sold a good 1 million worldwide I think..don't remember. But the reason for the decline in sales was DMC2, which was shit tastic. Despite being universally praised, DMC3 did much WORSE than it's predecessors.

MGS is still highly touted, but it, like DMC, lost a lot of fanbase because of it's second sequel. Definitely not a BAD game, but disappointing to a lot of folks, especially considering MGS2 is maybe the most hyped game of all time. MGS3 suffered because of it, despite being called "better than MGS1".

[bagofeyes]

vf4 was on saturn?

[Himu]

PS3 seems to be, at least for the next year based on it's lineup of exclusives to be for hardcore Sony fans only. Much like GCN was for with Nintendo. And that is NOT a place a company wants to be.

This, however, is true. The only people interested in ps3 are hardcore sony fans.

vf4 was on saturn?

I've been playing VF since the first was in the arcade..

[T234]

Wario Ware owns though.

It does but Resistance is THE killer app for PS3. When a filler title with little advertising or press crushes it there is something wrong in Sony land.

No one cares about Resistance. It's like PD0, but obviously a better game: something that comes out at launch and just can't create the buzz or interest as a Halo.

But unlike 360 there is no killer app out around now in the vein of Oblivion or GRAW to really get the masses buying games. And don't say VF5. A niche game on a system with a pitfull installed base AAAND a port to 360 announced before it even releases will take a miracle to break the top 10 next month.

VF isn't niche. VF4 sold enough to get a greatest hit and back in the day, it was the sole reason I wanted a Saturn. That's definitely not niche.

HIMURO=SATURN EXPERT

[Himu]

I obviously meant VF1 and 2.

[T234]

Sure you did.

THE LAWD SAYS YEW MUST STOP BEATIN OFF IN THE SHITTER OF HIS HOUSE AS PENANCE FOR THIS OFFENSE!

[Phoenix Dark]

...

[Himu]

What the?

[BlueTsunami]

Sure you did.

THE LAWD SAYS YEW MUST STOP BEATIN OFF IN THE SHITTER OF HIS HOUSE AS PENANCE FOR THIS OFFENSE!

[T234]

JUST BECAUSE HIMURO HAS A SHENMUE AVATAR, THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A WHORE

THIS AIN'T INTRAMURALS

I GOT A HALF-A-TANK OF GAS, A HALF-A-PACK OF CIGARETTES, IT'S DARK, AND I'M WEARING SUNGLASSES

HIT IT

THEY WERE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE

[Himu]

 

I'm a whore, alright. ;0 T234 knows what I'm all about.

[y2kev]

TO HELL WITH SALES-AGE

HERE HERE

[Oblivion]

The thing is the PS2 consumer base did not buy it for sony first party titles, DMC, or MGS. Those are hardcore sony gamer games and they sell very well to that base. But so did Zelda and Mario to the Nintendo base on GCN. The PS2 consumers were interested in madden, gta, and other games similar to that. 360 seems to have that base covered much better

Wrong again. Where does Cheebs get this stuff?

DMC1 sold 4 million world wide. By the time DMC3 came out it sold a good 1 million worldwide I think..don't remember. But the reason for the decline in sales was DMC2, which was shit tastic. Despite being universally praised, DMC3 did much WORSE than it's predecessors.

MGS is still highly touted, but it, like DMC, lost a lot of fanbase because of it's second sequel. Definitely not a BAD game, but disappointing to a lot of folks, especially considering MGS2 is maybe the most hyped game of all time. MGS3 suffered because of it, despite being called "better than MGS1".

DMC1 did not sell that much. Though it did pretty good at 3 million WW (from what I've heard). I do agree with you about these games giving PS2 a pretty big push. Course, both games have lost popularity, and will be harder to sell given the PS3's price. Hell, fricken RR7 bombed in Japan, and PS3 is cheaper there.

[Himu]

Yes. It'll be hard to convince people to fork over the cash to play these games, especially since they've lost popularity. MGS4 in particular is going to need the biggest audience it can get to break even, and looking at how well MGS3 sold, it's not looking pretty.

When MGS3 came out it was odd. It was like I was the only fucker playing it.

[demi]

Why is all this heated gaming debate in here? Fuck. Every single time!