Author Topic: Letters from Iwo Jima was better than the Departed (Read 4359 times)

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #60 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:34:45 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:31:11 AM

I haven't seen it in at least 5 years. Are you telling me that the movie does not wear its emotions on its sleeves?

Well you should be able to come up with examples then right? Ok, how about an example from another movie you've seen recently

It's a drama. Many dramas use the same techniques because they're...dramas. To Kill a Mockingbird? Do the Right Thing?

TVC15 · « **Reply #61 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:36:50 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2007, 12:34:45 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:31:11 AM
I haven't seen it in at least 5 years. Are you telling me that the movie does not wear its emotions on its sleeves?

Well you should be able to come up with examples then right? Ok, how about an example from another movie you've seen recently

It's a drama. Many dramas use the same techniques because they're...dramas. To Kill a Mockingbird? Do the Right Thing?

Um, I could, but then I'd have to think about movies I haven't seen in years. Trust me, no one on this forum that isn't you will say that Gump isn't overly sentimental. I avoid melodramas for the most part. Can't recall the last one I saw.

Note that sentimentalism used to be an acceptable tool. Primarily in pre-talkies and in stage dramas, but the "rules" are different for those.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #62 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:38:36 AM »

Forrest Gump isn't senitmental? Yeah, well, the "running through leg braces" and "omg I have a non-distinguished mentally-challenged son" scenes say FUCK YOU, pheonix.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #63 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:40:50 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:36:50 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2007, 12:34:45 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:31:11 AM
I haven't seen it in at least 5 years. Are you telling me that the movie does not wear its emotions on its sleeves?

Well you should be able to come up with examples then right? Ok, how about an example from another movie you've seen recently

It's a drama. Many dramas use the same techniques because they're...dramas. To Kill a Mockingbird? Do the Right Thing?

Um, I could, but then I'd have to think about movies I haven't seen in years. Trust me, no one on this forum that isn't you will say that Gump isn't overly sentimental. I avoid melodramas for the most part. Can't recall the last one I saw.

Note that sentimentalism used to be an acceptable tool. Primarily in pre-talkies and in stage dramas, but the "rules" are different for those.

As I said earlier, what about To Kill a Mockingbird and similar movies?

There are some overt sentimetalies in Brazil, as well as other movies you guys like. More recently a movie like V for Vendetta comes to mind. "Sentimental" doesn't have to just mean boohoo crying and such.

TVC15 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:45:00 AM »

I never said Brazil was a perfect movie, but sentimentalism isn't its biggest problem. I haven't seen To Kill a Mockingbird since I was in high school. That's simplified kiddie crap so I wouldn't be surprised if it is overly sentimental.

V, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. It has a fair bit of telling instead of showing (comic book roots shining through), but the only really clear incident of sentimentalism was the note Evey finds about the lesbian, and there's kind of a twist on that since we don't know whether the note is real. It does have an emotionally manipulative effect on Evey, though.

Either way, Brazil and V may have some sentimentalism in them, but they are not driven by it like Gump and M$B.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #65 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:46:02 AM »

^ yes

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #66 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:48:33 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:45:00 AM

I never said Brazil was a perfect movie, but sentimentalism isn't its biggest problem. I haven't seen To Kill a Mockingbird since I was in high school. That's simplified kiddie crap so I wouldn't be surprised if it is overly sentimental.

V, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. It has a fair bit of telling instead of showing (comic book roots shining through), but the only really clear incident of sentimentalism was the note Evey finds about the lesbian, and there's kind of a twist on that since we don't know whether the note is real. It does have an emotionally manipulative effect on Evey, though.

Either way, Brazil and V may have some sentimentalism in them, but they are not driven by it liek Gump and M$B.

I disagree. First on V, which is driven by an anti-establishment/cynical sentimentalism. Then with respect to Gump, which is only driven by sentimentality as much as dramas normally are. How that makes the movie "bad" suddenly is beyond me. To make matters worse, there are even more sentimental movies out there that are considered some of the best films ever created

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #67 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:49:46 AM »

Anti-establishment sentimentalism? No.

Just... no.

TVC15 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:51:21 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2007, 12:48:33 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:45:00 AM
I never said Brazil was a perfect movie, but sentimentalism isn't its biggest problem. I haven't seen To Kill a Mockingbird since I was in high school. That's simplified kiddie crap so I wouldn't be surprised if it is overly sentimental.

V, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. It has a fair bit of telling instead of showing (comic book roots shining through), but the only really clear incident of sentimentalism was the note Evey finds about the lesbian, and there's kind of a twist on that since we don't know whether the note is real. It does have an emotionally manipulative effect on Evey, though.

Either way, Brazil and V may have some sentimentalism in them, but they are not driven by it liek Gump and M$B.

I disagree. First on V, which is driven by an anti-establishment/cynical sentimentalism. Then with respect to Gump, which is only driven by sentimentality as much as dramas normally are. How that makes the movie "bad" suddenly is beyond me. To make matters worse, there are even more sentimental movies out there that are considered some of the best films ever created

Sentimentalism refers to emotions, of which anti-establishment and cynicism are not.

And no, Gump is way more sentimental than your average drama. I watch a lot of dramas, but I avoid sentimental films.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #69 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:51:40 AM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 22, 2007, 12:49:46 AM

Anti-establishment sentimentalism? No.

Just... no.

Yes

It's emotionalism and it applies to more areas than just "omg Forrest can run" emotes

TVC15 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:52:14 AM »

So PD, tell me, do you feel the emotion of anti-establishmentism very often?

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #71 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:53:10 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:52:14 AM

So PD, tell me, do you feel the emotion of anti-establishmentism very often?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #72 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:55:36 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:52:14 AM

So PD, tell me, do you feel the emotion of anti-establishmentism very often?

Distrust of authoritative figures is not an emotion? The movie merely fans that fire, if we are to use your definition of the term in movies

TVC15 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:55:53 AM »

His comeback will be SO WHAT'S AN EMOTION THEN. To which I will reply, "PD I am trying to play Supreme Commander, I am not fucking teaching you about Aristotle tonight."

No, PD, the distrust of authority figures is not an emotion. Cynicism is a method of thinking, not an emotion. Emotions are, methods of thought are things a person actively operates.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #74 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:56:30 AM »

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #75 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:57:34 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2007, 12:55:36 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 22, 2007, 12:52:14 AM
So PD, tell me, do you feel the emotion of anti-establishmentism very often?

Distrust of authoritative figures is not an emotion?

No, it is not.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #76 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:02:38 AM »

Robo · « **Reply #77 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:05:59 AM »

Cast Away was better than V for Vendetta.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #78 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:06:25 AM »

Quote from: RoboJ on February 22, 2007, 01:05:59 AM

Cast Away was better than V for Vendetta.

Heh, no.

Robo · « **Reply #79 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:09:52 AM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 22, 2007, 01:06:25 AM

Quote from: RoboJ on February 22, 2007, 01:05:59 AM
Cast Away was better than V for Vendetta.

Heh, no.

WILSOOOONNNN!! NOOOO!! I'M SO SORRY!! WILSSSOOOONNNNNNNNNnnnn

I cried.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #80 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:11:01 AM »

Wilson was awesome, but Tom Hanks totally killed the movie.

I would pay good money for a 90 minute Wilson movie.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #81 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:04:04 AM »

As much as I enjoyed Pan's Labyrinth, in terms of the foreign language nominations...

The Lives of Others > Pan's Labyrinth
Days of Glory > Pan's Labyrinth

I'm sure Pan's Labyrinth has the award already wrapped up, but I walked away from the other two films much more satisfied. Opinions?

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #82 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:50:42 PM »

Quote from: bagofeyes on February 21, 2007, 11:34:28 PM

Sucks to be Marty? Sucks to be you

qft

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #83 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:51:26 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2007, 11:42:36 PM

Looks like a very good movie to me. I want to see it along with Babel and Children of Men. Right now I doubt any movie of 2006 will impress me more than The Departed though

That's funny, this is the trifecta of wasted money I saw a few months ago.

Cheebs · « **Reply #84 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:53:21 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 21, 2007, 11:31:32 PM

Sucks to be Marty this year.

Too bad Marty will be going home with a oscar and not clint

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #85 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:54:32 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 22, 2007, 05:53:21 PM

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 21, 2007, 11:31:32 PM
Sucks to be Marty this year.
Too bad Marty will be going home with a oscar and not clint

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #86 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:11:10 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 22, 2007, 05:53:21 PM

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 21, 2007, 11:31:32 PM
Sucks to be Marty this year.
Too bad Marty will be going home with a oscar and not clint

lol I wouldn't be surprised at all if Clint wins

Cheebs · « **Reply #87 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:12:05 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2007, 06:11:10 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 22, 2007, 05:53:21 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 21, 2007, 11:31:32 PM
Sucks to be Marty this year.
Too bad Marty will be going home with a oscar and not clint

lol I wouldn't be surprised at all if Clint wins

Little Miss Sunshine will get best picture though lol

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #88 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:12:49 PM »

IF LMS wins best picture, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the academy.

Cheebs · « **Reply #89 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:13:48 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 22, 2007, 06:12:49 PM

IF LMS wins best picture, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the academy.

I predicted Crash would win over Brokeback Mountain. I NOW SAY THE SAME OF LMS OVER THE DEPARTED.

It is the sad truth, though I enjoyed LMS.

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Author Topic: Letters from Iwo Jima was better than the Departed (Read 4359 times)