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Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« on: April 19, 2007, 03:03:20 PM »
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New Rule: Now that liberals have taken back the word, "liberal," they also have to take back the word, "elite." By now, you've heard the constant right-wing attacks on the "elite" media and the liberal "elite," who may or may not be part of the Washington "elite," a subset of the East Coast "elite," which is overly influenced by the Hollywood "elite." So, basically, unless you're a sh*t-kicker from Kansas, you're with the terrorists.

You know, if you played a drinking game where you did a shot every time Rush Limbaugh attacked someone for being elite, you'd almost be as wasted as Rush Limbaugh.

I - I don't get it. In other fields outside of government, "elite" is a good thing, like an "elite" fighting force; Tiger Woods is an "elite" golfer. If I need brain surgery, I'd like an "elite" doctor. But, in politics, "elite" is bad. The "elite" aren't down to earth and accessible like you and me and President Sh*t-for-brains.

Which is fine, except that whenever there's a Bush Administration scandal, it always traces back to some incompetent political hack appointment, and you think to yourself, where are they getting these screw-ups from? Well, now we know. From Pat Robertson. I'm not kidding.

Take Monica Goodling, who, before she resigned last week, because she's smack in the middle of the U.S. Attorneys scandal, was the third-ranking official in the Justice Department of the United States. She's 33 years old. And though she never even worked as a prosecutor, she was tasked with overseeing the job performance of all 93 U.S. Attorneys.

How do you get to the top that fast? Harvard? Princeton? No, Goodling did her undergraduate work at Messiah College. You know, Messiah, home of the Fighting Christ-ies? And then went on to attend Pat Robertson's law school. Yes, Pat Robertson, the man who said that the presence of gay people at Disney World would cause earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor, has a law school.

And what kid wouldn't want to attend? It's three years, and you only have to read one book. U.S. News & World Report, which does the definitive ranking of colleges, lists Regent as a Tier Four school, which is the lowest score it gives. It's not a hard school to get into. You have to renounce Satan and draw a pirate on a matchbook.

This is for people who couldn't get into the University of Phoenix.

Now, would you care to guess how many graduates of this televangelist's diploma mill work in the Bush Administration? 150. And you wonder why things are so messed up. We're talking about a top Justice Department official who went to a college funded by a TV host. Would you send your daughter to Maury Povich U.? And if you did, would you expect her to get a job at the White House?

In 200 years, we've gone from "We, the people," to "Up With People." From "the best and the brightest" to "dumb and dumber." And where better to find people dumb enough to believe in George Bush than Pat Robertson's law school?

The problem here in America isn't that the country is being run by "elites." It's that it's being run by a bunch of hayseeds. And, by the way, the lawyer Monica Goodling just hired to keep her a$$ out of jail, went to a real law school.

Source: http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/new_rules/

Not only is that crazy but theres 150 graduates working under the Bush Administration that graduated from this school.

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2007, 03:08:46 PM »
He also has a protein shake or something

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2007, 03:10:20 PM »
Wow. Amazing.

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2007, 03:13:28 PM »
Hes PURE evil

and check out this slate article on the matter of Regent University, Monica Goodling and the Bush administration

http://www.slate.com/id/2163601/

It seems like the University was made to plant these Regent graduates in spots of importance (within the government)...heres the schools motto

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The school's motto is "Christian Leadership To Change the World,"
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2007, 04:14:01 PM »
there really are no words. slate's article is spot on; the problem isn't that 150 staffers came from regent (or any other school), nor is it the ridiculous proportion, it's that they're ALL uniformly taking marching orders from fundamentalists determined to piss on the constitution.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2007, 04:17:35 PM »
He also has a protein shake or something

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2007, 04:25:03 PM »
I've always said that the Joshua Project is going to shape America's future signifigantly. I think people like to believe that fundementalist Christians are generically stupid and irrelevent, when this isn't the case. These people are breezing through law school, and there are many people in positions of power (as the article points out) ready to give them positions. And it's not just Christian law schools either. I know countless former homeschooled students who aced the ACT/SAT and got into high ranking schools - and are now pursuing law.

The issue isn't that these people have a warped view of the law and the Constitution in general - we accept that at the door to the conversation. The issue is that these people are climbing rank and attaining positions of power in part because conservative administrations are very apt to select them.

If you don't know what the Joshua Project is, or who Michael Farris is, I suggest checking it out.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2007, 04:28:30 PM »
Uh, the Joshua Project is irrelevant to this matter, you talking points regurgitator.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2007, 04:34:51 PM »
Uh, the Joshua Project is irrelevant to this matter, you talking points regurgitator.

Um, yes it does. I'm trying to have a serious discussion here so can we keep the blatant bullshit out plz? I've been involved with these groups enough to know what's going on. Basically it's almost like a "covenant" to put young Christians in a position where they can change the country to god's benefit. And Farris and the other lawyer types realize that the best way to do this is through law. These kids have an easy time getting accepted in political campaigns because of these connections. It's sort of like a less public way for conservative politicians to show their "respect" to the religious right base - and then of course the more public face is less different lol
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2007, 04:36:39 PM »
Except there are a variety of people and organizations that do that.  Joshua Project is irrelevant, as is Farris, you home schooled Jesus freak, because this was already being instituted by other right-wing Christian fascists to begin with.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2007, 04:42:50 PM »
And I never said other groups don't. The Joshua Project is the current vehicle, and is far from "irrelevent". What these groups do is provide a steady stream of new fundementalists with warped views of the Constitution, who are then placed in positions of influence by *gasp* other conservatives and religious figures who were helped into their current position by previous groups. So what's your point?

So you're argument is quite is once again an example of you trying to instigate a meaningless disagreement. Whatever
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2007, 04:47:46 PM »
Not really.

You waltz in here, name dropping, as if you're privy to some insider Christian fascist information that you claim is going to change America's future.  When, unbeknownst to you apparently, Farris' goals have already been instituted and some would say exceeded by other organizations for years - including the very one we're talking about.  So instead of talking about the topic at hand, Regent University (along with its numerous White House grads and connection to the biggest scandal out right now), you come in with regurgitated, moot talking points.  Who cares about Joshua Project, we're talking about Regent University!
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2007, 04:49:32 PM »
i think the unacknowledged thrust of pd's remark, willco, albeit relayed as a tangent, was to note that "christians" and "the home-schooled" aren't "stupid". he just wrapped it in a semi-relevant talking point that he hoped we'd agree with.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2007, 04:50:43 PM »
Should I apply to Regent Law?  :tophat

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2007, 04:51:04 PM »
It's the only law school that'll accept you, probably.
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2007, 04:52:40 PM »
:rofl

and no one is calling these graduates stupid PD, just that they have an agenda coming out of this University. I would say, its not so bad if it was one person but it seems like people are consistently being hired from this University.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2007, 04:52:57 PM »
It's the only law school that'll accept you, probably.
Hey, there's always Thomas M. Cooley...  :'(

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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2007, 04:53:23 PM »
malek, well, there's only one book you need to study, and the admissions test is simple: how do you deal with a menstruating woman?
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2007, 04:54:09 PM »
Home schooled children that dabble into what I refer to as Jesusology, aren't smart - they're opportunistic.  The Christian right has grown so strong and powerful in recent decades because they've adapted their tactics to take on American society, because they've lost in head-on social engagements in decades past.  I wouldn't say they're smart, but they are dangerous.  They're not human!
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2007, 04:55:02 PM »
Not really.

You waltz in here, name dropping, as if you're privy to some insider Christian fascist information that you claim is going to change America's future.  When, unbeknownst to you apparently, Farris' goals have already been instituted and some would say exceeded by other organizations for years - including the very one we're talking about.  So instead of talking about the topic at hand, Regent University (along with its numerous White House grads and connection to the biggest scandal out right now), you come in with regurgitated, moot talking points.  Who cares about Joshua Project, we're talking about Regent University!

Yes, and where do I get my talking points from? ::)

The thing you don't get (or are unwilling to admit) is that this project starts long before college. So even before these people go to colleges such as Regent U they already have the agenda - and a group which supports them. There was a time when the big Christian curriculum providers like A Beka and Bob Jones put a lot of emphasis on science/biology to get kids ready for inevitable evolution discussions. Not too long ago the curriculum began putting more emphasis on law studies, of course starting in social studies/PLS.

The picture is bigger than just Regent University
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2007, 04:55:07 PM »
:rofl

and no one is calling these graduates stupid PD, just that they have an agenda coming out of this University. I would say, its not so bad if it was one person but it seems like people are consistently being hired from this University.

i'll call 'em stupid. "stupid" is a broad term, but at least some subset of its rather nebulous definition has to compass folks who believe in a giant space fairy, plan their lives around an absurd eschatology, and fashion their career education to culimate in graduation from a jesus-brand diploma mill.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 04:56:03 PM »
And I never said other groups don't. The Joshua Project is the current vehicle, and is far from "irrelevent". What these groups do is provide a steady stream of new fundementalists with warped views of the Constitution, who are then placed in positions of influence by *gasp* other conservatives and religious figures who were helped into their current position by previous groups. So what's your point?

So you're argument is quite is once again an example of you trying to instigate a meaningless disagreement. Whatever

Classic homeschooling right there! 

These home schooled yahoos may not be stupid in the book sense of the word, but they've been deprived of interacting with people who have different beliefs, views and ideas.  That's not someone I feel comfortable running my country.  I mean think about it- do you want 150 Pee Dees running things?
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2007, 04:56:29 PM »
malek, well, there's only one book you need to study, and the admissions test is simple: how do you deal with a menstruating woman?
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By the by, the average LSAT score at Regent is around 150. At one point it was in the 140's!

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2007, 04:57:45 PM »
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Yes, and where do I get my talking points from?

Funny, I just talking to someone about that!

Will: Okay
 Will: I think PD is a robot, that regurgitates talking points from Bill Maher, Dennis Miller, Bill O'Reilly, Drudge and the butthole of the Internet.
 Will: And forms it into some kind of "moderate", pseudo-intellectual babble.
 Will: That resembles the English language.


In this case, the "butthole of the Internet" is probably your home page, you home schooled Jesus freak!  Either that or you're on Michael Farris' mailing list of Enlightened Individuals for Jesus Who Think the Nazis Had a Good Idea.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2007, 04:58:16 PM »
The "Socially distinguished mentally-challenged" point does stand though. Home Schooled kids consistently have issues when it comes to interacting with other human beings that don't live in the household. In that case, I agree.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2007, 04:59:19 PM »
The "Socially distinguished mentally-challenged" point does stand though. Home Schooled kids consistently have issues

like stalking issues! I'm looking at you Cloud!

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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2007, 05:00:30 PM »
Cloud home schooled confirmed. She needs a heavy dosage of SOCIAL INTERACTION
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2007, 05:02:06 PM »
Home schooled kids are fucked up.  They can point to any amount of data that says they statistically score higher on tests that are usually created to cater specifically to home school kids, but they're always sheltered and lack real knowledge of how the world works.

Phoenix Dark, for example, didn't get Unforgiven, which I think is pretty concrete evidence to support the concept that kids should be sent to concentration camps public schools.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2007, 05:02:32 PM »
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Yes, and where do I get my talking points from?

Funny, I just talking to someone about that!

Will: Okay
 Will: I think PD is a robot, that regurgitates talking points from Bill Maher, Dennis Miller, Bill O'Reilly, Drudge and the butthole of the Internet.
 Will: And forms it into some kind of "moderate", pseudo-intellectual babble.
 Will: That resembles the English language.


In this case, the "butthole of the Internet" is probably your home page, you home schooled Jesus freak!  Either that or you're on Michael Farris' mailing list of Enlightened Individuals for Jesus Who Think the Nazis Had a Good Idea.

I love EB but I can't stand seeing nearly every serious discussion devolve into these antics.

I'm not a fan of Maher's, although I think he's quite witty; he said something along the lines of "911 was a faith based initiative", which I thought was hilarious on many levels. But unless GAF links a Youtube video of his stuff I don't search it out. I think Bill O'Reilly is dead on with respect to many issues, but he's dead off with respect to many others (which one could argue are more important, like say Iraq). I don't go do Drudge's site, although my dad does lol.

But I suppose if that belief makes you feel good, fine.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2007, 05:05:31 PM »
You believe in creationism over evolution, Pee Dee.  Any conversation about someone's intelligence for me start and ends there.
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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2007, 05:06:06 PM »
The "Socially distinguished mentally-challenged" point does stand though. Home Schooled kids consistently have issues when it comes to interacting with other human beings that don't live in the household. In that case, I agree.
http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/archive/200110/CUL20011023a.html
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=3479
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/13/b2s.homeschool/index.html
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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2007, 05:08:37 PM »
Oh my, who wants to take him to task for those links?  Because if I do, he will just ignore the truth.  Besides, someone else deserves a turn.
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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2007, 05:12:12 PM »
And you're ignoring the truth right now so meh. As expected. The truth is there's never been any weight to the claim that homeschooled children are "socially distinguished mentally-challenged" or "socially introverted".

In terms of ancecdotal evidence, I've known many homeschooled kids (obviously). I know some who are indeed socially fucked along the lines of "I can't play Pokemon because it advocates evolution". But the majority I know are pretty cool, and not better or worse than regular kids
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2007, 05:13:59 PM »
Okay, I'll start.  The first cites a study by the Cato Institute, a hyper-libertarian organization that obviously has an agenda.  The other cities a study from yet again another libertarian think tank.  And in two articles, they specifically state that the National Education Association and National Association of School Psychologists say that home schooling is detrimental.
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2007, 05:14:53 PM »
If your home schooled friends are like you, and cannot grasp the point of Unforgiven, then I can see why you think they're normal.  But they're not.
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2007, 05:17:02 PM »
Okay, I'll start.  The first cites a study by the Cato Institute, a hyper-libertarian organization that obviously has an agenda.  The other cities a study from yet again another libertarian think tank.  And in two articles, they specifically state that the National Education Association and National Association of School Psychologists say that home schooling is detrimental.

Why would a libertarian organization want to inflate this. Are you suggesting their research method is flawed? Because *gasp* it's not. And by your same logic the NEA would indeed have their own "agenda" as well, wouldn't they? :lol
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2007, 05:21:06 PM »
Libertarian think tanks are of course going to be pro-home schooling.  If you can't figure out why, then maybe you haven proven that public schooling is the superior method of education.

The NEA does have agenda, because it is a teacher's union first and foremost, but as actual teachers, they're the most qualified to make remarks in regards to education.

And second, what agenda does the National Association of School Psychologists have, other than not wanting to see fucked up, sheltered home schooled kids deal with life in therapy sessions ten or twenty years after the fact?
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2007, 05:23:02 PM »
Libertarian think tanks are of course going to be pro-home schooling.  If you can't figure out why, then maybe you haven proven that public schooling is the superior method of education.

The NEA does have agenda, because it is a teacher's union first and foremost, but as actual teachers, they're the most qualified to make remarks in regards to education.

And second, what agenda does the National Association of School Psychologists have, other than not wanting to see fucked up, sheltered home schooled kids deal with life in therapy sessions ten or twenty years after the fact?

I'm looking for their research now. I have a feeling I won't find any study results
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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2007, 05:25:02 PM »
Who, for the National Education Association or the National Association of School Psychologists?  The former has an easily accessible study, while the latter has made remarks in conjunction with studies by a variety of organizations against the sociological repercussions of home schooling your child.  For Pat Robertson's sake, they have a quote in one of the articles you posted!
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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2007, 05:25:41 PM »
Um, I know they do. I'm looking for their actual study though. brb
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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2007, 05:26:36 PM »

The Catholic Church does have an agenda, because it is a Christian organization first and foremost, but as actual priests, they're the most qualified to make remarks in regards to religion.





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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2007, 05:28:34 PM »
Everyone knows Catholicism is just the conservative branch of NAMBLA
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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2007, 05:28:48 PM »
I would be extremely surprised if Home Schooling isn't detrimental to a childs ability to interact in Society.
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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2007, 05:29:48 PM »
What the fuck did PD do to this "hahaha pat robertson is a wacko" thread?  :-\

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« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2007, 05:30:53 PM »
I would be extremely surprised if Home Schooling isn't detrimental to a childs ability to interact in Society.
Children who are home schooled usually have a dozen siblings to interact with!  :P

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« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2007, 05:31:36 PM »
The Catholic Church does have an agenda, because it is a Christian organization first and foremost, but as actual priests, they're the most qualified to make remarks in regards to religion.

Cute, but not really applicable.  There a bunch of religions with different outlooks on life, but qualified teachers are qualified teachers.  Of course they don't want children to be home schooled for financial reasons, but it's not like they're not qualified to discuss education when the training to become one is so intensive.

That's like saying that ABA is against people defending themselves in court - of course they would, they represent lawyers, so they have a clear financial agenda.  But they're also lawyers and as such, they know the law.  And the fact is, you'd be better of with a lawyer in court than without one.

You'd be better off with a professional instructor than with Phoenix Dark's mom.
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« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2007, 05:33:25 PM »
Some of the stuff on that site is absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged. "lol homeschool parents are well meaning but can't do a teacher's job."

A. That's bullshit
B. It refuses to take into account video homeschooling, at all

You'd get the impression that they think homeschooling parents are aimless fools who just pick up a 3rd grade math book and tell their kids "go lurn to spell!" There are many homeschooling organizations that offer help, cirriculum suggestions, and support
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« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2007, 05:37:49 PM »
i was only homeschooled for a year. i got 2 years of high school done in the time it took you guys to complete one. just sayin'!

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« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2007, 05:37:51 PM »
<Phoenix Dark> I disagree with a professional teachers because it's all poppycock and wish wash!  How dare they disagree with home schooling, when I was home schooled!  And look at me!  I believe in creationism and can't get a girlfriend to even kiss me, despite being a college freshmen with my own campus house!
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« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2007, 05:39:59 PM »
i was only homeschooled for a year. i got 2 years of high school done in the time it took you guys to complete one. just sayin'!

Exactly :lol

I know homeschooled kids who start college at 16 - and actually do very well. While I hated homeschooling, I can't deny that it benefitted me in the end
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2007, 05:42:31 PM »
The Catholic Church does have an agenda, because it is a Christian organization first and foremost, but as actual priests, they're the most qualified to make remarks in regards to religion.

Cute, but not really applicable.  There a bunch of religions with different outlooks on life, but qualified teachers are qualified teachers.  Of course they don't want children to be home schooled for financial reasons, but it's not like they're not qualified to discuss education when the training to become one is so intensive.

That's like saying that ABA is against people defending themselves in court - of course they would, they represent lawyers, so they have a clear financial agenda.  But they're also lawyers and as such, they know the law.  And the fact is, you'd be better of with a lawyer in court than without one.

You'd be better off with a professional instructor than with Phoenix Dark's mom.
You just had to use a legal analogy, didn't you?

Legal knowledge is far more specialized than the knowledge a teacher posses. Competent parents are already capable teachers. One of the chief responsibility parents have had for tens of thousands of years is that of imparting important information to their children. The average Joe isn't a capable lawyer. YES, I'd rather have a professional teaching children rather than any old parent, but I think many parents can do a good job without any formal training.

My concern would be over the teaching material. SEE PD.

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2007, 05:44:06 PM »
I agree with Malek. We're two of a kind - I'm a creationist elitist and he's an elitist who can't pass the LSAT. Two different spectrums of failure
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2007, 05:44:37 PM »
Parenting and educational instruction are two very different things, and that's why they've been separated in social development for centuries.  If every parent could educate their child, then we'd have no reason for school - but it is a specialized skill.  Not everyone can impart skill sets on children.

Just as you'd want a lawyer in a court room, you'd want a teacher educating your child.

I will agree that the material matters most, but that goes without saying.  And home school completely disregards the psychological ramifications.  You will not get a single psychologist within ear shot to say that it won't shelter your child to some degree.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2007, 05:45:11 PM »
i homeschooled myself. my parents had no part in it whatsoever.

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2007, 05:46:13 PM »
Yeah, you're kind of weird too.  This isn't exactly helping Phoenix Dark's case.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2007, 05:47:03 PM »
Parents can impart general knowledge about each subject but I personally would be more comfortable having teachers who actually specializes in each subject teaching my child. The only problem with that is, that one teacher teaching as many as 30 kids at a time kinda negates things.

Its a trade off between having a professional teach your child but has to do this for many kids at a time or focus on the child on one on one sessions via home schooling but social interaction may be in jeopardy (also the possible cherry picking of info fed to your child).
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2007, 05:49:10 PM »
Parenting and educational instruction are two very different things, and that's why they've been separated in social development for centuries.  If every parent could educate their child, then we'd have no reason for school - but it is a specialized skill.  Not everyone can impart skill sets on children.

Just as you'd want a lawyer in a court room, you'd want a teacher educating your child.
I never said every parent could and I already stated that I'd want a teacher teaching my child, or any child.

Centuries ago the average parent was illiterate and thus couldn't possibly do the job. However most literate parents of average intelligence (teachers as a whole are not especially intelligent) with the ability to give specialized attention, can do a decent job.

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2007, 05:50:22 PM »
well, i was actually just in a rush to graduate high school. it was more of a cop-out really. but i had the discipline and the time, so i got through everything amazingly quick.

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2007, 05:52:13 PM »
You're grasping now Willco.

Quote from: Dr. Malek
Centuries ago the average parent was illiterate and thus couldn't possibly do the job. However most literate parents of average intelligence (teachers as a whole are not especially intelligent) with the ability to give specialized attention, can do a decent job.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2007, 05:52:43 PM »
I wonder if Andrew Rosenblum was Home Schooled
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