Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread

[VomKriege]

Marriage Story by Noah Baumbach starring ScarJo and Ben Swollo. As you would expect, great acting (the actors are both relatable despite being glamorous), good and often very just writing which is so key to making those divorce dramas ring true. Good visuals and pacing (though maybe a little too long ?) but I didn't like how the director bookends this, felt very heavy handed, facile and superfluous.

[Crash Dummy]

Someone else watch Marriage Story so I could argue with them.

Adam Driver impressed me in ways I didn’t expect him to. ScarJo is also quite good but Adam Driver man—woah.

Marriage Story by Noah Baumbach starring ScarJo and Ben Swollo. As you would expect, great acting (the actors are both relatable despite being glamorous), good and often very just writing which is so key to making those divorce dramas ring true. Good visuals and pacing (though maybe a little too long ?) but I didn't like how the director bookends this, felt very heavy handed, facile and superfluous.

watched this last night, don't really have much more to add but was really impressed by both adam driver and scarjo, even the supporting cast was really solid

[Leadbelly]

Wonder Woman vs Donald Trump this shit's lit 



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[Stro]

How DOES it feel, tho?

[Tuckers Law]

Willow is a better Tolkien movie than the best that Peter Jackson could offer (Fellowship).  Prove me wrong.

[Leadbelly]

How DOES it feel, tho?

I guess make everything 80s and it feels great. It's the new thing now. Well, the old thing. The 80s is cool again.

[Spieler1]

80s wank 

[Stro]

How DOES it feel, tho?

I guess make everything 80s and it feels great. It's the new thing now. Well, the old thing. The 80s is cool again.

I kind of meant more does the song actually answer the question it poses

[team filler]

When a frustrated loner gains popularity as an Alt-Right vlogger, the online echo chamber turns his fears into a deadly rage.

[Leadbelly]

So basically it is a movie about a guy who disagrees with some far-left talking points?

Seriously though, it will be interesting to know whether the character properly reflects the 'alt-right' or is just a certain media portrayal of what constitutes alt-right. I bet it will be a mix of both. Although who even knows at this point. Is the alt-right even really a thing at this point? I don't know.

[EchoRin]

So basically it is a movie about a guy who disagrees with some far-left talking points?

Seriously though, it will be interesting to know whether the character properly reflects the 'alt-right' or is just a certain media portrayal of what constitutes alt-right. I bet it will be a mix of both. Although who even knows at this point. Is the alt-right even really a thing at this point? I don't know.

Of course  . The movie trailer triggered good ol' Gavin McInnes for example (Proud Boys king).

[Leadbelly]

So basically it is a movie about a guy who disagrees with some far-left talking points?

Seriously though, it will be interesting to know whether the character properly reflects the 'alt-right' or is just a certain media portrayal of what constitutes alt-right. I bet it will be a mix of both. Although who even knows at this point. Is the alt-right even really a thing at this point? I don't know.

Of course  . The movie trailer triggered good ol' Gavin McInnes for example (Proud Boys king).

Yeah, that's the thing though. Gavin McInnes has some controversial opinions, but I wouldn't say he is alt-right. His own children wouldn't belong in a white ethno state for instance. I think his children are mixed race. His wife is native-American. That's the weird thing about some of these people. Like another one of these controversial figures who always gets lumped into the alt-right is Mike Cernovich, but the weird thing about him is his children are mixed race as well. So they wouldn't belong in a white ethno state either. I think Mike Cernovich's wife is Indian. His children have dark skin.

[Nintex]

Ah yes Mike "don't use soap" Cernovich of grifter alley 

[Leadbelly]

Ah yes Mike "don't use soap" Cernovich of grifter alley 

It's not an endorsement of him. It's just the association with the alt-right. He says he isn't alt-right, and I believe that part at least. Because I can't see how someone could support a white-ethno state when their own children wouldn't belong in it.

[Tasty]

Guys I don't know if Trump is really a Republican, I mean he's married to an immigrant after all

[team filler]

rich people know the rules don't apply to them and showing support for the alt-right is part of the grift. that's where the easy money is.

[Leadbelly]

Guys I don't know if Trump is really a Republican, I mean he's married to an immigrant after all

Honest question: Do you think that is comparable? Marrying a brown woman and having brown children with her. For a group that is obsessed with the purity of the white race, that is hard to fathom. Never mind whether he accepts them, why would they accept him? Doesn't make any sense to me.

[Tasty]

Honest question: Do you think that is comparable? Marrying a brown woman and having brown children with her. For a group that is obsessed with the purity of the white race, that is hard to fathom. Never mind whether he accepts them, why would they accept him? Doesn't make any sense to me.

You're trying to reverse-ad-hominem a guy into not being white supremacist. I'm not sure that's how it works.

[Leadbelly]

Honest question: Do you think that is comparable? Marrying a brown woman and having brown children with her. For a group that is obsessed with the purity of the white race, that is hard to fathom. Never mind whether he accepts them, why would they accept him? Doesn't make any sense to me.

You're trying to reverse-ad-hominem a guy into not being white supremacist. I'm not sure that's how it works.

What do you mean by that? Also, it's not like I am trying to do something. Although, you could say I am trying to square a white supremacist with married to a brown woman and having brown children and I can't. It is not typical behaviour of a white supremacist. It is the opposite in fact. Unless that person is a complete psychopath and are okay with murdering their own children if it came to it. But then why bother in the first place? Well... I guess white supremacists might be overrepresented when it comes to psychopaths, but you know what I mean.

If anyone has to try, surely it is to try and make him fit the white supremacist mould, no?

[Tasty]

Guys I don't know if Hitler's serious about this whole Aryan race thing, he's not even blonde or blue-eyed

[Tasty]

Also I'm being extremely shitty to you leadbelly and not arguing in good faith, but I had a shitty day, and if we were to engage in conversation in the future, I would hope you don't hold this against me.

[Nintex]

Mike isn't alt-right because the alt-right doesn't really exist anymore.

Early on the movement was sorta a 'rebellious' right against the regular old boomer conservatives. But surely but slowly they discovered they were either
1) In the same boat so you might as well call yourself conservative
2) Not 'right/conservative' at all but just anarchists, independents, libertarians or meme lords

Around the same time the actual white supremacists sorta dragged the movement down. So the alt-right split up into the various groups mentioned and fizzled out shortly after Trump was elected.
In part because Mike, Milo and other friends of his were Pikachu shocked that the Trump administration didn't send them job offers and the very same conservatives they rebelled against got hired instead.
The fact that icons of their movement such as Mike Flynn were fired within weeks didn't really help matters.

[Leadbelly]

Also I'm being extremely shitty to you leadbelly and not arguing in good faith, but I had a shitty day, and if we were to engage in conversation in the future, I would hope you don't hold this against me.

lol okay.

[Tasty]

For real though, people say and do contrary things all the time. We can only speculate on why they got together and why they stay together. Maybe she's blackmailing him for being the whistleblower? That theory is just as credible as your "No he actually really does like nonwhites, look!"

In my view, like an ad hominem attack, bringing up a person's family, friends, confidants, etc. is not useful to the actual conversation about a person's words and beliefs.

[Leadbelly]

For real though, people say and do contrary things all the time. We can only speculate on why they got together and why they stay together.

In my view, like an ad hominem attack, it's not useful to the actual conversation about a person's beliefs.

It might not be, but it is at least indicative of those beliefs though right? I mean you don't have to agree with Mike Cernovich to at least acknowledge that aspect of him. I very rarely listen to the guy, but I have heard him interviewed in the past by others on various podcasts. He denies any association with the alt-right. And so in my mind, the question is, is there reason to doubt that? And to be honest, the people who really are white supremacist tend to be proud of it. Like Richard Spencer has no problem telling what he believes for instance, so... I don't believe he is a white supremacist. And yeah, his wife and children are a part of why I accept what he is saying on that.

[Leadbelly]

Actually, I will make this point though because I just thought about it. You can be racist against one group of people without necessarily being racist against all groups of people. So for example, he could think Indians are just fine, but black people are not. So that might be possible.

[EchoRin]

This is like the old throwaway joke of "I fucked a black person in college so I can't be racist against black people" defense.

[Leadbelly]

This is like the old throwaway joke of "I fucked a black person in college so I can't be racist against black people" defense.

It's not... really.

"I have brown children, so I can't support a white ethno state."

For some reason, that would seem more genuine than I fucked a black person so I can't be racist. It doesn't necessarily mean he isn't racist, I gave an example of how that might be so in my last post. However, it is harder to understand being in support of a white ethno state if his own children would have no future in it. You would think his loyalty would be for his family before the interests of others right? That is usually how it goes.

[EchoRin]

We are completely off topic for this thread, but basically a white dude with brown kids could still be in support of his white ethno-state and just toss in his own excuse of "...well except for my kids and wife. The rest can all die by having their throats slit ustashe style"

[team filler]

slave owners had children with their black slaves who they didn't see as human. race takes a backseat when your dick gets hard, doesn't change what your overall worldview is.

[Leadbelly]

You can make a multitude of different scenarios if you think about it, but what would be the more likely one?

And in terms of slave owners, I'm pretty sure they didn't marry their slaves and treat the children like their legitimate ones. So that doesn't quite work either.

And lets finish this because we're just derailing the thread. I will just say that Mike Cernovich may have a whole bunch of shitty opinions, but personally I don't think the 'alt-right' label sticks.

[Stoney Mason]

Watched a few movies recently.

Toy Story 4

Have only seen the first one an incredibly long time ago. This one seemed fine. Not extraordinary or anything but a solid kids film that a parent could also tolerate to watch. I'm not overly into animated films the way some people are so that's enough Toy Story for me for awhile. I wasn't extra motivated to immediately see 2 or 3 to see what I've missed so far.

The Irishman

Good not great. Very long and I definitely felt that length at times but it was fun to see Pacino, and Pesci, and Deniro actually give a shit and do a lot of heavy lifting. The dialogue is perfectly suited for them and at times really funny. It's not on the level of something like Goodfellas but I appreciated them doing another one of these kind of movies before they start dying off.

Parasite

Really liked it. A weird blend of a whole bunch of different emotions and tones. Fortunately I knew nothing about it, which I think is by far the best way to probably experience that movie.

Midsommar

Also really liked this one but for very specific reasons. The plot and characters aren't really exceptional to me which would normally drag this type of movie down but the weirdness of the subject matter and the visuals elevate it above the normal fare. You could have easily made this exact same movie and tried to make it more mainstream and typical but I liked that they went more bizarre with it and there are just a lot of visual images that will stick with me. I like it because of that and despite the plot and the characters whom weren't that captivating to me (although some of that with the characters might have been purposely done)

[Don Rumata]

Nobody cares about the RIP thread, so i'll repost it here.

R.I.P. Anna Karina.

[TVC15]

The Fanatic has been on some year end lists and it’s free on Prime. I watched it the other day and I can confirm it’s a future cult classic. If you don’t believe me, go witness Travolta’s performance in the first 5 minutes. He delivers like that the whole movie.

[Kara]

You can make a multitude of different scenarios if you think about it, but what would be the more likely one?

And in terms of slave owners, I'm pretty sure they didn't marry their slaves and treat the children like their legitimate ones. So that doesn't quite work either.

And lets finish this because we're just derailing the thread. I will just say that Mike Cernovich may have a whole bunch of shitty opinions, but personally I don't think the 'alt-right' label sticks.

[OnlyRegret]

Guys I don't know if Trump is really a Republican, I mean he's married to an immigrant after all

Honest question: Do you think that is comparable? Marrying a brown woman and having brown children with her. For a group that is obsessed with the purity of the white race, that is hard to fathom. Never mind whether he accepts them, why would they accept him? Doesn't make any sense to me.

I guess slave owners weren't racist, rapists yes but not racist then?

[OnlyRegret]

Point being, men hold themselves to an entirely different standard than women often, and the difference is starker when you get into the various offshoots. There is enough of a sexist undercurrent where something like multicultural harems for the white man isn't going over poorly. The greatest rage they direct at cases where it is the white mom that has a mixed child.

[Madrun Badrun]

Mom and Dad was amazing. 

[EchoRin]

The Fanatic has been on some year end lists and it’s free on Prime. I watched it the other day and I can confirm it’s a future cult classic. If you don’t believe me, go witness Travolta’s performance in the first 5 minutes. He delivers like that the whole movie.

I'm looking forward to watching this with my group of friends that likes to watch "train wreck" movies (the Neil Breens of the world and such). Also want to check out that movie The Haunting of Sharon Tate too for the same reasons.

[Leadbelly]

You can make a multitude of different scenarios if you think about it, but what would be the more likely one?

And in terms of slave owners, I'm pretty sure they didn't marry their slaves and treat the children like their legitimate ones. So that doesn't quite work either.

And lets finish this because we're just derailing the thread. I will just say that Mike Cernovich may have a whole bunch of shitty opinions, but personally I don't think the 'alt-right' label sticks.

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From his wikipedia page:

Cernovich has been classified by some reporters as being part of the alt-right movement,[6] but he rejects this label.[64] In his study of the alt-right, the political scientist George Hawley also disputed this characterization, saying that Cernovich "might be properly labelled" as "alt-lite".[65] Commentator Angela Nagle described Cernovich as a "major figure in the alt-light milieu".

That tweet I notice is from 2015. That is when the 'alt-right' really started to become a thing. At the beginning it was still quite ill-defined and you had articles from people like Milo Yiannopoulos that basically described the movement as made up of mostly shitposters who had enough of political correctness. And that the white supremacy elements were fringe. A bunch of right wingers jumped on to it seeing it as a fresh movement that would be able to attract the youth to a form of conservatism. I believe Paul Joseph Watson also called himself alt-right around that time too.

From Paul Joseph Watson's wiki

Although as late as July 2016 he called himself alt-right, he no longer accepts that label and considers himself part of the 'New Right'.[12]

There was a disassociation from the movement from a bunch of them the moment when the alt-right became associated with white supremacy more than anything else.

Edit: This article explains the whole 'new right' thing.
https://www.businessinsider.com/deploraball-gop-alt-right-2017-1/lightbox?r=AU&IR=T

[Dickie Dee]

He literally equated diversity with "White Genocide" in that tweet!

WTF are you going on about?

[Leadbelly]

He literally brought up White Genocide in that tweet!

WTF are you going on about? rofl

Yeah he did. Read that article though and then make your mind up.

[Dickie Dee]

 

[OnlyRegret]

That tweet I notice is from 2015. That is when the 'alt-right' really started to become a thing. At the beginning it was still quite ill-defined and you had articles from people like Milo Yiannopoulos that basically described the movement as made up of mostly shitposters who had enough of political correctness. And that the white supremacy elements were fringe. A bunch of right wingers jumped on to it seeing it as a fresh movement that would be able to attract the youth to a form of conservatism. I believe Paul Joseph Watson also called himself alt-right around that time too.

There was a disassociation from the movement from a bunch of them the moment when the alt-right became associated with white supremacy more than anything else.

Amazing, he literally says he went alt-right because because he's convinced he needs to save the whites from extinction and you're utterly molesting the English language to twist it.

[Leadbelly]

That tweet I notice is from 2015. That is when the 'alt-right' really started to become a thing. At the beginning it was still quite ill-defined and you had articles from people like Milo Yiannopoulos that basically described the movement as made up of mostly shitposters who had enough of political correctness. And that the white supremacy elements were fringe. A bunch of right wingers jumped on to it seeing it as a fresh movement that would be able to attract the youth to a form of conservatism. I believe Paul Joseph Watson also called himself alt-right around that time too.

There was a disassociation from the movement from a bunch of them the moment when the alt-right became associated with white supremacy more than anything else.

Amazing, he literally says he went alt-right because because he's convinced he needs to save the whites from extinction and you're utterly molesting the English language to twist it.

Why are people making me defend Cernovich. lol

And I don't twist things. This is something I don't do. Everything I said in that post is factually true, which is why I said it.

I even posted an article that confirms what you just highlighted. Read the article. it is right there. lol

Look:

The Deploraball, he explained, was about launching a populist, nationalist movement, separate from the alt-right, a white nationalist ideology which rose to prominence during the 2016 campaign.

In the weeks which preceded Deploraball, civil war had enveloped the alt-right movement. Cernovich, who has made a number of controversial statements himself, led a wing that aimed to expel white nationalists. Richard Spencer, a leading white nationalist who gained notoriety in the weeks after Trump's election, led the opposition that fought for control.

Relations between the feuding groups came to a head when Cernovich made the decision to bar Spencer and his white-nationalist faction from attending the highly anticipated Deploraball, for which he was one of the primary organizers.

Cernovich instead decided to use the opportunity to break off his supporters, who he claimed far outnumbered Spencer's, and launch the "new right," which he said would be free of the racist tendencies the alt-right had become all too known for.

"There is the alt-right which wants to do white identity politics. And there's people … who want to do nationalism without white identity politics," Cernovich said. "And now everybody knows where I stand and everybody else knows where everybody else is."

And why he talked about white genocide, what his point is, I don't know, I haven't looked in to it. I would be speculating. I will say though, people say dumb things and can believe dumb things. He didn't say he needed to save the white race from extinction though, that is actually you twisting the English language ironically enough. He said that tolerance only goes one way and that diversity is 'code' for white genocide. And one possible interpretation of that is he means the way the rhetoric often seems adversarial to white people. "You're a fucking white male". It's used as pejorative. But then I am speculating which I don't want to be caught up in.

[Great Rumbler]

Dude's garbage. Do we really need to determine, specifically, which type he is?

[OnlyRegret]

And why he talked about white genocide, what his point is, I don't know, I haven't looked in to it. I would be speculating. I will say though, people say dumb things and can believe dumb things. He didn't say he needed to save the white race from extinction though, that is actually you twisting the English language ironically enough. He said that tolerance only goes one way and that diversity is 'code' for white genocide. And one possible interpretation of that is he means the way the rhetoric often seems adversarial to white people. "You're a fucking white male". It's used as pejorative. But then I am speculating which I don't want to be caught up in.

Am I missing something? Cause belly of lead indeed with this not-defending-mike-defence.

[OnlyRegret]

Man also shit over his ex-wife plenty despite profiting from that divorce handsomely. Why we need to give him the benefit of the doubt and defend his intent is beyond me.

[Leadbelly]

And why he talked about white genocide, what his point is, I don't know, I haven't looked in to it. I would be speculating. I will say though, people say dumb things and can believe dumb things. He didn't say he needed to save the white race from extinction though, that is actually you twisting the English language ironically enough. He said that tolerance only goes one way and that diversity is 'code' for white genocide. And one possible interpretation of that is he means the way the rhetoric often seems adversarial to white people. "You're a fucking white male". It's used as pejorative. But then I am speculating which I don't want to be caught up in.

Am I missing something? Cause belly of lead indeed with this not-defending-mike-defence.

I said why are you making me defend cernovich. Nowhere did I say I am not defending him. lol

Lets move this thread back to movies now.

[Nintex]

He literally brought up White Genocide in that tweet!

WTF are you going on about? rofl

Yeah he did. Read that article though and then make your mind up.

Okay mike

[Bebpo]

Marriage Story was good though I liked Meyerowitz Stories better. But both leads gave very good performances. Also as a lawyer, kinda have a dislike for movies that use the "lawyers are all bad people" lazy stereotype.
Also was the movie supposed to be balanced between both sides? Because it felt very much like Driver's character, though flawed was the victim and Johansson's character pretty much had it fine. Felt like it was written from the man's perspective (which being written by Baumbach, who is a man, makes sense).

And I heard this movie was a tear-jerker and people cried, but didn't seem like that to me? Honestly just makes it seem like "don't get married because a divorce can fuck up your life"

[Joe Molotov]

Can't wait to see this movie.

[Great Rumbler]

THE COLOR

[Great Rumbler]

Full-bore, glorious B-movie Cage: Cranked up to 11, spattered with gore and bellowing about alpacas.

[Joe Molotov]

lol, why? Hardware was cool.

[Joe Molotov]

But that was like 25 years ago. Let the man eat.

[Stro]

I thought it had neat ideas but ultimately was kinda boring outside of it's aesthetic and Lemmy's cameo. The documentary on his Count Of Monte Cristo Island of Dr. Moreau movie also made him look like a whiny bitch to me lol so it's hard for me to take him seriously.

EDIT: Mixed up Monte Cristo for Dr. Moreau LMAO hand me that L

[Great Rumbler]

It's getting good reviews and the trailer looks alright, so I'm excited for it.

[team filler]

never go full-bore 

[BlueTsunami]

Can't wait to see this movie.

Mandy 2: Electric Cosmic hue