KINECT: THE DAWN OF THE NEW AGE OF GAMING

[cool breeze]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

[TripleA]

So let's summarize Kinect thus far:

- Pre-recorded stage demos.

- Lag is still noticeable.

- No price officially announced.

- No hardcore games announced.

- All driving games have no controls for accelerating or braking.

- Can not be used while sitting down.

- Voice recognition is inferior to ENDWAR.

- Peter Molyneux has zero plans for Kinect in Fable III.

- Milo and Kate were shown "behind closed doors" to celebs such as Steven Seagal a.k.a the bone ranger, Kelly Rowland a.k.a Beyonce's shadow, and other Z-list celebrities who attended the event for free swag and nothing else.

- Only 2 players supported.

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It looks like Microsoft are investing in a long term success, don't you agree Maxy and Bory's?

[maxy]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

Nothing is confirmed here,it's just sfags in panic mode.

I can't believe that some people think that MS would release Kinect UI that would require you to stand...nobody would be stupid enough to release that

And now some more Kinect pimping

There's something very special about using Microsoft's Kinect system, something that separates it from every other combination of software and hardware I've ever used. Kinect adapts and accommodates the user. I'm not learning it; it's learning me.

But another bundled game in Kinect Sports impresses me in a completely different way: bowling. This game really showcases the platform's flexibility to natural human movement. I reach to my right to pick up my ball, asking, "Can I take a normal 3-step bowling approach?" The designers look at one another nervously. They say that I might want be careful not to extend myself beyond Kinect's radius of sight.

I get the impression that bowling hasn't been tested with this approach in mind. I try it anyway, shortening my steps a bit, but fully pantomiming bowling all the same. The ball rolls down the lane without a hitch.

After I take more than my fair share of time bowling, I look to Jason and ask if he wants to hop in. The PlayStation Move had forced me to stand in one place with two...err...spheres on my chin to calibrate a single game, but Kinnect lets Jason and I just swap spots instantly. Without any jitters, hang-ups or confusion, Kinect lets Jason pick up where I leave off, mid-frame.

"What do you think?" asks Wil Mozell, a Microsoft GM who oversees many of the companies designing Kinect's important launch titles.

"It's great," I say. "But what about the lag? Will you ever fully eliminate it?"

"We can get rid of a lot of it. Keep in mind, these games are 80-to-85% there. There's still lots of optimization left to do."

"But what about the hardcore games? The FPSs, the gameplay that requires 100% accuracy?" I push.

"Kinect isn't going to replace the controllers that have worked for those types of games for the last decade—that's not what we're trying to do. Kinect will work alongside those controllers for hardcore games. For throwing a grenade, for vocal commands, for..."

"For head tracking??"

"Yes, head tracking! Exactly." He gets a big smile. He wants to say more. Bound by Microsoft confidentiality agreements, he can't.

The bold thing is why i loove Kinect...keep the waggle bullshit out of my hardcore games

Kinect is wonderful for what it will do for full motion gaming. Kinect is wonderful for what it will do for the home theater and for hardcore gaming and for cultivating more "play" in gameplay.

But Kinect's most clever trick is beyond any of this. Kinect is more than an abstract "human interface device" but something far more subtle: an input device that can look at bunch of waving limbs and understand, "Hey! That's a human!"

http://gizmodo.com/5565657/xbox-360-kinect-teases-the-next-era-of-computing

Engadget is also pretty impressed
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/19/entelligence-the-aftermath-of-e3/


And now something interesting about Move,

After I take more than my fair share of time bowling, I look to Jason and ask if he wants to hop in. The PlayStation Move had forced me to stand in one place with two...err...spheres on my chin to calibrate a single game, but Kinnect lets Jason and I just swap spots instantly. Without any jitters, hang-ups or confusion, Kinect lets Jason pick up where I leave off, mid-frame.

I was listening to the Weekend Confirmed podcast and they were talking abut Move boxing game...

After you finish calibrating your balls,you are told "Do not move your feet,You can't move your feet"

A boxing game and you can't move your feet
 

[archie4208]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

You can still issue voice commands while sitting, but to do the Minority Report system navigation, you have to be standing.

[TripleA]

Welp this looks like trainwreck now. It doesn't matter if they fix the standing vs sitting issue at launch as starting from this E3 everybody is talking/ writing about what Kinect DOESN'T do.

Majority of the previews/ articles concentrate on explaining what DOESN'T work with Kinect instead of hyping what DOES.

Very, very bad PR.

This was Microsoft's chance to sell the idea & hardware to the world and they blew it. They $599's it like Sony PS3.

I just hope Move also crashes & burns. Waggle gaming needs to be stillborn.

[naff]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

Nothing is confirmed here,it's just sfags in panic mode.

Sounds confirmed to me. Maybe you can do the gui stuff sitting, I'm betting just voice stuff, but everything else requires you to stand by the looks of it.

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

[Cormacaroni]

mustering last reserves of XBot Power here...

I guess forcing you to stand up during games would solve that whole thing of people bowling perfect games by making tiny flicks of their wrist while practically asleep on the couch. I'm not convinced that's a problem people want solved though, and that this is how anyone choose to solve it. Looks like a total hardware/software fuck-up that should have been caught long before the public saw this.

[maxy]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

Nothing is confirmed here,it's just sfags in panic mode.

Sounds confirmed to me. Maybe you can do the gui stuff sitting, I'm betting just voice stuff, but everything else requires you to stand by the looks of it.

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

This also sounds confirmed
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1099746p1.html

We can go in circles like that forever

Besides this thing is not launching tomorrow,in November you will be able to see what it can do,just like when 360,PS3,Wii launched
Why?Kinect is all about software

Yes,you are basically paying for potential but that is just the way this gen operates...future gens will be even worse in that regard

When you buy a game today,you also pay for potential since almost everything needs to be patched

Funny thing is that some(many) people are not even angry about that...oh,it will be patched...oh,i will just wait for a patch

[Cormacaroni]

Problem is, we've already had years of the Wii failing to live up to its potential and this just looks like a refinement. It's really hard to see any significant upside to Kinect because of that. After the Wii was announced, I remember a lot of wild speculation about all the cool games we might see - for Kinect and Move, all I see is gamers expecting lame shovelware and software companies lining up to deliver it. I'm not even 1% excited for this.

[maxy]

Problem is, we've already had years of the Wii failing to live up to its potential and this just looks like a refinement. It's really hard to see any significant upside to Kinect because of that. After the Wii was announced, I remember a lot of wild speculation about all the cool games we might see - for Kinect and Move, all I see is gamers expecting lame shovelware and software companies lining up to deliver it. I'm not even 1% excited for this.

Nintendo was never good with third parties(until 3DS apparently) and they were not willing to experiment too much with their "hardcore" franchises.As for new "hardcore" IP fully designed around waggle...it wouldn't sell probably and this is Nintendo...not that i blame them,they are not a charity

Kinect primary audience is families,casuals not some basement hardcore nerd that masturbates at Killzone gifs...that was clear from the day one...
MS conference was exactly like that,hardcore stuff...the end...casual,family oriented stuff...the end
People that were expecting to see Kinect enabled knife stabbing,neck breaking are beyond delusional

If some Kinect interested mother sees something like that...it would be instant no buy.

So don't expect many hardcore games,certainly not many good ones...as usual devs will make things that sell
Sony is not going to make Killzone 2 budget game build from the ground up for Move(not controllable by dualshock)...that would be insane,make a $100 million game for like 10 Move owners


But it doesn't matter,MW2 has passed 20 million mark and shooters will be made like there is no tomorrow.

[magus]

http://www.gamexplain.com/article-179-1277081359-kinect-cant-detect-wrist-movement.html

microsoft is run by a bunch of incompetent guys!

[MCD]

moving your wrist is dangerous anyway.

[maxy]

Moving your wrist is prohibited by law anyway.

[Third]

Another day, another negative Kinect article. What a disaster. 
By the time it gets released, only maxy will care about it.

[Purple Filth]

Another day, another negative Kinect article. What a disaster. 
By the time it gets released, only maxy will care about it.

this is going on right now.

Still haven't been impressed by this thing

[TripleA]

http://www.gamexplain.com/article-179-1277081359-kinect-cant-detect-wrist-movement.html

microsoft is run by a bunch of incompetent guys!

 

[maxy]

Another day, another negative Kinect article. What a disaster. 
By the time it gets released, only maxy will care about it.

Sfags seem to care a lot,I've never them so exited and panicky.

Another day, another negative Kinect article. What a disaster. 
By the time it gets released, only maxy will care about it.

this is going on right now.

Still haven't been impressed by this thing

This is now Motion Control Gaming Fan Club and you are posting here,that means that you care.
 

[Purple Filth]

^ Not really

More news for this thread. Seems the device costs $150 to manufacture.

http://www.develop-online.net/news/35198/Source-pins-Kinect-manufacturing-costs-to-150

Publisher claims Microsoft ended up spending far more than expected on the device

Microsoft is paying around $150 in total manufacturing costs for each Kinect unit, Develop understands.

A highly-positioned, trusted source had given Develop the “$150 manufacturing cost” figure on the condition of anonymity, adding that the expenses of Kinect is a topic of concern for his company.

The news comes in the wake of rumours suggesting an internal struggle at Microsoft on the retail price of Kinect, a kit once touted to sell at £50, but now thought will cost over twice the price.

Microsoft says the company “does not comment on rumour or speculation”.

Last year a publishing source told MCV that Microsoft is “trying to get as close as possible to impulse buy” with Kinect – a plan which is looking less likely as evidence points towards a $150 retail price for the device.


Screen Digest games analyst Ed Barton said he was “not surprised” by the $150 manufacturing figure that Develop put to him.

“In pure console peripheral terms, $150 costs are expensive but the question is how much Microsoft is wiling to cut to raise market share,” he said.

“The further above manufacturing costs it is, the tougher it becomes. Especially since Microsoft is targeting Kinect to a more casual market.

“Presumably, a big portion of Microsoft’s target market for Kinect won’t have a console already, so adding in the console costs along with the camera costs, the result is starting to look a bit pricey.”

Microsoft had previously acquired Primesense, a 3D imaging company based out of Israel. The firm brought with it a number of patents and technologies for Kinect.

Barton believes that the Primesense acquisition may come into the cost equation.

“There’s basic hardware tear-down costs,” he says, “but Kinect isn’t just a number of components, it’s also a software layer – one that is absolutely key for the whole experience.

“Kinect’s R&D costs might be sunk into the manufacturing costs, because Microsoft needed to ensure that Kinect’s basic imaging actually has a software layer that can be fed into the developer toolchain.

“These are things that require investment, and serious expertise, and would argue would have pushed the manufacturing costs of Kinect up even more”.

But Barton is confident that, with Kinect, Microsoft has a technology that can be implemented in different sectors outside of traditional gaming.

“I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see Microsoft apply the technologies elsewhere, for things like video conferencing,” he said.

“It may have been possible, in its planning, that Microsoft has decided the investment it has made into Kinect can spread across all sorts of areas beyond gaming.

“The commercial guys at Microsoft will obviously want to sell the unit at its lowest price, but the accountants will be arguing that Microsoft has to start paying for all the R&D and goods that got it to this position.

“The one thing that Microsoft has proven over the last few years, especially with its aggressive price cuts, is that the company is prepared to add pressure on itself to win market share.”

If true then they have 3 choices

1) sell it at 150 at make nothing
2) sell it for more and make something
3) sell it for less than 150 and take some losses.

I really think they are gonna go for C so they can try to get marketshare, but i really wonder if they want to eat more losses.

[TripleA]

So essentially:

a) They're fucked.

b) They're fucked.

and finally,

c) They're fucked.

[The Sceneman]

So let's summarize Kinect thus far:

- Pre-recorded stage demos.

- Lag is still noticeable.

- No price officially announced.

- No hardcore games announced.

- All driving games have no controls for accelerating or braking.

- Can not be used while sitting down.

- Voice recognition is inferior to ENDWAR.

- Peter Molyneux has zero plans for Kinect in Fable III.

- Milo and Kate were shown "behind closed doors" to celebs such as Steven Seagal a.k.a the bone ranger, Kelly Rowland a.k.a Beyonce's shadow, and other Z-list celebrities who attended the event for free swag and nothing else.

- Only 2 players supported.

================================================


It looks like Microsoft are investing in a long term success, don't you agree Maxy and Bory's?

Nice FUD

Dance Masters will be amazing and HARDCORE. Child of Eden looks amazing too. Please rebute my post by posting an awesome lineup of all the 'hardcore' Wii games to come out in the past 8 years. shithead

[Smooth Groove]

Sceneman: The Last Xbot Warrior and Destroyer of sfud

[The Sceneman]

Its just that all the negative press is bagging on Microsoft's 1st party crud and not taking into account awesome 3rd party Japanese stuff shown at E3, which is making really cool use of the tech

[Cormacaroni]

like?

Child of Eden is a must-buy for me but it apparently doesn't need Kinect and it's unclear how much it will actually add to the experience. Sell it to me Sceneman.

[The Sceneman]

Child of Eden looks totally bitching and its future Miz techno shit that you play with your hands. That alone sold me but DANCE MASTERS looks totally AWESOME. Maybe I just got brainwashed by Naoki? He was very EXCITE

[lordoftherink]

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Kinect-Sensor-for-Xbox-360/product/C737B081
$149 on the official Microsoft store

[cool breeze]

Dance Masters does look really fun.  Of all the dancing games shown, it is the only one that seems like it gets intense.

like?

Child of Eden is a must-buy for me but it apparently doesn't need Kinect and it's unclear how much it will actually add to the experience. Sell it to me Sceneman.

this was talked about actually.  It was mostly the usual marketing speak of making you feel like a conductor.  Also mentioned was how in some ways it takes away from using the controller because you don't have that rumble going on to the beat.  Then again, you could put a controller in your pocket and play with Natal.  It has the same feature as Rez HD where you can use multiple controllers for different vibration.

[Third]

So let's summarize Kinect thus far:

- Pre-recorded stage demos.

- Lag is still noticeable.

- No price officially announced.

- No hardcore games announced.

- All driving games have no controls for accelerating or braking.

- Can not be used while sitting down.

- Voice recognition is inferior to ENDWAR.

- Peter Molyneux has zero plans for Kinect in Fable III.

- Milo and Kate were shown "behind closed doors" to celebs such as Steven Seagal a.k.a the bone ranger, Kelly Rowland a.k.a Beyonce's shadow, and other Z-list celebrities who attended the event for free swag and nothing else.

- Only 2 players supported.

================================================


It looks like Microsoft are investing in a long term success, don't you agree Maxy and Bory's?

Basically.

[Purple Filth]

so 150 finally confirmed?


good luck to them i guess.

[brawndolicious]

1. The only time any of these motion-controllers make sense to me, the distinguished hardcore gamer, is when they use the IR sensor to pinpoint something on screen like in Resident Evil 4 and......

2. The games that sell have exaggerated motion controls with as much believability and dignity as a soccer player faking a foul.

3. Sfags only care about motion controls because 360 has kinect and vice-versa for xfags and Move.

[Smooth Groove]

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

[Third]

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

Dad, is that you?

[maxy]

Hmm i wonder how sfags missed this

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Video-Game-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kiect-not-limited-to-2players-Has-unlimited-possibilites

Earlier today, we got in touch with PrimeSense and got clarification on the situation about their demo and Kinect.

At E3, PrimeSense showed a demonstration to JoyStiq which showed two-players going through a demo, though the camera technology did recognize more. This demonstration was built solely by PrimeSense and in no way has any relation or link to the software and game coding Microsoft has developed for Kinect. PrimeSense is the provider of the hardware chip for Microsoft, but Microsoft handles the rest, so the demo put on by PrimeSense does not reflect what Kintect can do in terms of total players.

PrimeSense did state that they do not know how many players Microsoft currently has Kinect setup to handle.
With Kinect and the PrimeSense demonstration two completely separate entities, but the camera itself can detect a limitless number of people and if the software is designed to do so, process them all.

Of course even chicken level IQ people could see that they where talking about their own implementation,the one that has processing chip on the board...not to mention that they are under heavy NDA concerning MS implementation

So MS could make chase blue dots game for 10 players...

So change that Third mom player comparison to unlimited

 

[Third]

A camera can detect unlimited people?   

Rocket science right there. 

Let's see how they'll implement that. But going by the whole Kinetic technology, it should be a total mess.

[magus]

i know this is kotaku so please don't kill me
http://kotaku.com/5569409/watch-kinect-lag-it-up-on-jimmy-fallon

[Third]

LOL, owned. 

And...

[youtube=560,345]#![/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]#![/youtube]

Eye-Toy doing the same shit as Kinect. I'm sure Sony can program the new Eye-Toy to do the same as MS' motion controller.

[maxy]

i know this is kotaku so please don't kill me
http://kotaku.com/5569409/watch-kinect-lag-it-up-on-jimmy-fallon

She looks like a scared log...notice how he always jumps before(real person image) and then she is trying to follow

[AdmiralViscen]

This is a disaster.

[demi]

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

Wow your Third's Mom must be fresh, mine has to be hit a few times before it starts working correctly.

[AdmiralViscen]

 


Also I didn't think that Fallon video was so bad. That guy wasn't TOO lame and the game seemed playable enough even though it sucks. I thoguht it was funny when he offered free XBoxes.... for the Roots.

[Third]

Wow your Third's Mom must be fresh, mine has to be hit a few times before it starts working correctly.

My mom is your penis? 

[TripleA]

Even the most diehard Xbox fans are turning against it 

[Philip Cardgage]

So to balance that out, you and Third should start loving it!!!

[Third]

I'll start to love Kinect when maxy starts hating it.

[AdmiralViscen]

Wouldn't Xbots have to give a shit about Natal at some point to "turn" against it?

[Phoenix Dark]

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

[Beezy]

Wouldn't Xbots have to give a shit about Natal at some point to "turn" against it?

seriously

[maxy]

Something for Demi

Giant Bomb Dance Central interview

http://www.giantbomb.com/e3-2010-dance-central-interview/17-2779/

Ending is   

Giant Bomb
Dance Central 

[AdmiralViscen]

lol, love that site

Also Kinect picks up at least 4 people at the end of the video.

[maxy]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]


[youtube=560,345][/youtube]


ESPN,demoed with controller,it will support Kinect too
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14357198/project-natal-e3-demo-series/videos/espndemo_spc_062310.html?show=hi

And yes,you will be able to use this while sitting.

[TripleA]

It looks like using a controller will be the best way to experience ESPN3 on 360.

[demi]

Something for Demi

Giant Bomb Dance Central interview

http://www.giantbomb.com/e3-2010-dance-central-interview/17-2779/

Ending is   

Giant Bomb
Dance Central 

I saw stomach peekage. Ryan

[chronovore]

I'll be getting Kinect for HMX's new Dance Central, and possibly Joy Ride if the "Kinect Required" sticker that showed up on its (virtual) DVD case on MS' site is actually fer real.

Wii's motion control has shown that people will flock in droves to a controller that doesn't have more buttons than a US-101 keyboard. But the Wii's control is janky as hell; hopefully these new technologies like Kinect and Move will fulfill the promise of the Wiimote.

But the biggest issue is MINIMUM INSTALLED BASE. The genius of the Wii was to re-launch the perfectly serviceable Gamecube hardware with a new controller and marketing plan. Both MS and Sony have missed this critical point, that the Kinect support is only going to appeal to a subset of their existing market, rather than the entirety of a new customerbase.

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

Wow your Third's Mom must be fresh, mine has to be hit a few times before it starts working correctly.

It's possible that the rules are the same for the Xbox 360 itself: it can't be left standing, it has to be laid out horizontally for best effect.

[Diunx]

So Maxy are you really interested in this clusterfuck or are you just defending ms honor from the evil sfags?

[Dickie Dee]

i kinda like it for the dashboard *ducks*

games seem way to glicthy and impercise as fuck. looks like it's all shit that can be continually improved through software so who knows where it'll be in a couple years (other than maybe the same landfill as ET atari)

[Third]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Another reason to avoid this disaster.

[Third]

Report: Kinect requires that you dress appropriately

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/kinect-long-skirt-incompatible.html

LOL

[MCD]

I play naked anyway.

[maxy]

Report: Kinect requires that you dress appropriately

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/kinect-long-skirt-incompatible.html

LOL

More girls in short skirts 




That won't bother you though.

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[Brehvolution]

Those poor floorboards. 

[TripleA]

Report: Kinect requires that you dress appropriately

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/kinect-long-skirt-incompatible.html

LOL