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Stoney Mason

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19500 on: January 08, 2018, 11:24:42 PM »
I mean the bottle has already been uncorked for bullshit sports media. Or bullshit traditional media for that matter. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Not that I don't sympathize.


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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19501 on: January 10, 2018, 08:32:25 PM »

agrajag

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19502 on: January 10, 2018, 09:21:13 PM »
Finally Heat is not steaming hot garbage


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« Reply #19504 on: January 12, 2018, 02:18:54 AM »
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Forward Stanley Johnson is one name that has come up in the Pistons’ conversations with other teams, per ESPN sources.

Opposing teams have come away with the impression that Johnson is available for the right return.
i love free future second round picks!

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« Reply #19506 on: January 12, 2018, 01:54:43 PM »
Also the Cavs are having their yearly meltdown where everybody freaks out about them and then they go on to the finals.

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I think its for real this time. Their defense is historically bad. They ain't making the finals.
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« Reply #19507 on: January 12, 2018, 02:09:22 PM »
Finally Heat is not steaming hot garbage
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22017334/zach-lowe-goran-dragic-hassan-whiteside-miami-heat-nba

Unfortunately, as talented as Whiteside is in certain aspects of the game, he has very poor basketball IQ. I see a way higher upside in Bam Adebayo, I hope they keep him around and keep developing his skills.

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« Reply #19508 on: January 12, 2018, 06:43:49 PM »

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19509 on: January 12, 2018, 11:38:09 PM »
I disagree.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19510 on: January 13, 2018, 12:20:12 AM »
Finally Heat is not steaming hot garbage
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22017334/zach-lowe-goran-dragic-hassan-whiteside-miami-heat-nba

Unfortunately, as talented as Whiteside is in certain aspects of the game, he has very poor basketball IQ. I see a way higher upside in Bam Adebayo, I hope they keep him around and keep developing his skills.

Agreed on Bam

Also locking up J. Rich for the immediate future looks like a great decision. Especially now that he's stepping up as Dion's out for the calendar year.

agrajag

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19511 on: January 13, 2018, 12:32:30 AM »
True, I really love the progress Richardson has made. Dare I say he may be a star player in the future?

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19512 on: January 13, 2018, 01:20:14 AM »
LeBron needs help!  :heh
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« Reply #19513 on: January 13, 2018, 01:39:28 AM »
John Wall and Bradly Beal are ruining the Wizards.

Neither of them are hungry enough, they don't have an ego between them, and and they refuse to excel because of it. John Wall is the best and fastest PG in the NBA (Fuck Curry and Fuck Russ) and Beal is a top 10, maybe even top 5 SG.

One of them needs to be traded so they both can be as great as they should.

lol the fuck

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19514 on: January 14, 2018, 12:37:46 PM »
 :lol

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19515 on: January 14, 2018, 12:41:04 PM »
I'm kinda shook about Heat playing Bucks, but let's go!

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« Reply #19516 on: January 14, 2018, 02:00:54 PM »
Bradly Beal shops at Zara. Zara! What multimillionaire does that? One that is too humble, too weak to get it done and elevate those around him.

 :dead

That is pretty bad.
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19517 on: January 14, 2018, 02:09:29 PM »
there's nothing wrong with mixing zara with some flash

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19518 on: January 14, 2018, 02:44:39 PM »
Whiteside playing well today

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19519 on: January 15, 2018, 02:11:58 PM »
Benjis boy Anthony tolliver murking the hornets in this mall game :leon

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« Reply #19520 on: January 15, 2018, 02:30:56 PM »
Ya'll know I'm right!

WIZARDS SHOULD BE MURDERING THE EAST, THESE SOFT-EGO DORKS ARE KILLING THE TEAM AND THEMSELVES.

John Wall tried to front when he was talking about showing Lonzo 'No Mercy' and he got clowned. Why? Because he didn't really feel it in his heart. These boys are too soft. The Drakes of Basketball.

Why can't Wall even get shoe deal anywhere when he's a top well-known player and has been trying since him and Adidas parted ways? Cause he doesn't have that killer instinct. Neither does Beal. They're dragging each-other down with their lack of energy and confidence. Bradly Beal shops at Zara. Zara! What multimillionaire does that? One that is too humble, too weak to get it done and elevate those around him.

THE MAGIC ALMOST BEAT THEM. THE MAGIC. THIS IS INSANITY.

Trade Wall to the Cavs or something. Send Beal to the Nets. One of them has to go so they can both be great.

Good points man. Would you like to trade both for Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson?
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Stoney Mason

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19521 on: January 15, 2018, 08:07:43 PM »


 :comeon


agrajag

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19523 on: January 16, 2018, 01:46:50 AM »
Like Harden would do anything without his buddies behind him


So, the bad news is that our winning streak was snapped. The good news is Cavs got spanked too, so we can still conceivably overtake them

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19524 on: January 16, 2018, 02:10:39 AM »
NBA fights are decided by whoever gets the most teammates to grab them when they shout "HOLD ME BACK".

Except Boogie and ZBo, who actually truly scare the other players.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19525 on: January 16, 2018, 02:12:31 AM »

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19526 on: January 16, 2018, 02:25:24 AM »
NBA fights are decided by whoever gets the most teammates to grab them when they shout "HOLD ME BACK".

Except Boogie and ZBo, who actually truly scare the other players.

James Johnson had a pro MMA fight I think


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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19528 on: January 16, 2018, 05:16:02 AM »
Benjis boy Anthony tolliver murking the hornets in this mall game :leon
162 of his 200 attempts this year are threes :lawd

though SVG still seems to entirely ignore that he'll go a month jacking them up at 20% before suddenly hitting 80% for three games or so, neither the Knicks nor SVG seemed to remember he was on the court because all he was doing is throwing up bricks every three minutes

FREE BOBAN

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AND FIND OUT IF LEUER IS DEAD SOMEWHERE

etiolate

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19529 on: January 16, 2018, 02:17:36 PM »
Leuer was very good last year and year before in Phx. What happened to him?

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19530 on: January 16, 2018, 08:04:10 PM »

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Re: The NBA thread
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19532 on: January 17, 2018, 01:46:49 AM »
you do realize that prob more than half the nba shops at zara?

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19533 on: January 17, 2018, 02:23:47 AM »
:badass

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19534 on: January 17, 2018, 03:53:08 PM »
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Stephen A. Smith says that if the Cavaliers were to make a trade for Anthony Davis, they would become favorites to win the NBA championship over the Warriors.
:ohhh

etiolate

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19535 on: January 17, 2018, 04:29:05 PM »
What if they made a trade for Steph Curry?

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19536 on: January 17, 2018, 04:35:36 PM »
The Pels are interesting because they don't fit the narrative the press had for them, so the press has largely ignored them. Even decent guys like BBallbreakdown admitted to not watching their games and uttered the bizarre claim that Jrue's defense was "meh". Press tend to only bring the Pels up to propose trading Boogie and Davis to the teams they want to cover.

NBA media only wants to pay attention to five teams, maybe seven tops. NY and LA end up two of those teams by default no matter how bad they are. There's always this element of resentment when a smaller market is in the playoff hunt. Lazy fucks.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19537 on: January 17, 2018, 04:45:25 PM »
if i'm not watching the wizards, i'm watching the pelicans

and okc to an extent

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« Reply #19538 on: January 17, 2018, 08:49:08 PM »
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Stephen A. Smith says that if the Cavaliers were to make a trade for Anthony Davis, they would become favorites to win the NBA championship over the Warriors.
:ohhh

The post-Boston hot takes today we're especially scorching. I think both of the videos on the ESPN Pelicans page were about where the Pels should trade Davis, nothing about the 45 he dropped in beating Boston yesterday.

On the one hand I can't blame them, until Cousins fell into their lap, they about managed to build around AD in the most anemic way possible, on the other hand, shut the fuck up about how the Pels are going to trade Davis for Terry Rozier or Kevin Love and Jose Calderon.
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« Reply #19539 on: January 17, 2018, 09:53:24 PM »
Today is also why the Pels only ever show up on the national TV radar when they play actual contenders....You show up and beat Boston and than put up 10 points in the 3rd quarter and lose to the Hawks.

Watching this franchise for 82 games should honestly be a qualifying question to diagnose masochistic-personality disorder.

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« Reply #19540 on: January 18, 2018, 11:35:44 AM »
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Stephen A. Smith says that if the Cavaliers were to make a trade for Anthony Davis, they would become favorites to win the NBA championship over the Warriors.
:ohhh

That's funny considering Davis would be hurt before the finals.  :dice
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19541 on: January 19, 2018, 05:57:00 PM »
Kings should do Hill to Cleveland as long as it doesn't involve TT's contract and no picks.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19542 on: January 20, 2018, 02:02:05 AM »
Interesting new name popped up tonight after a few weeks of nothing much in the rumor column except for Stephen A's silliness:
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Overloaded with bad contracts and untradeable assets, the Charlotte Hornets have made All-Star point guard Kemba Walker available in trade discussions, league sources told ESPN.
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The Hornets had already made available Nicolas Batum (four years, $100 million), Dwight Howard (two years, $47 million), Marvin Williams (three years, $42 million) and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (three years, $39 million), league sources said, but those players and their contracts are largely unattractive in the marketplace.
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The Charlotte Hornets would like engage the Knicks on trade discussions involving All-Star point guard Kemba Walker but New York and Charlotte haven't yet had substantive discussions about a trade involving Walker, per league sources. It seems unlikely at this point that the Knicks will want to meet Charlotte's desired return.

Charlotte is hoping a Walker trade returns a good young player or a first-round pick, per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The Knicks have first-round draft picks and a promising young player in Frank Ntilikina.

But the other part of Charlotte's request is a holdup for the Knicks. Wojnarowski reports that Charlotte appears eager to shed one of its less desirable contracts. That would mean the Knicks would likely need to take on extra salary to acquire Walker, which was something New York was hesitant to do in trading Carmelo Anthony over the summer.


Ian Begley, ESPN Staff Writer

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19543 on: January 20, 2018, 06:25:46 PM »
1 4 8

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19544 on: January 20, 2018, 06:33:44 PM »
Just saving that defense for the playoffs like last year  :doge

Nola

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19545 on: January 21, 2018, 01:30:51 AM »
So is Charlotte basically trying to do a half ass rebuild? Is that the idea?

Because I really am not following what their strategy is?

If you are rebuilding, fuck it, trade Kemba for the best haul you can get and ride out the contracts until they become more tolerable to move.

You only have one Kemba Walker on your roster, go get the Brooklyn pick from Cleveland or something and embrace the tank life.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19546 on: January 21, 2018, 02:40:53 AM »
Knock knock knocking on Cleveland's door

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19547 on: January 21, 2018, 05:13:38 AM »
Kevin Pelton tries to come up with some possibilities:
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Hornets get: Guard Isaiah Thomas, center Channing Frye, Brooklyn 2018 first-round pick

Cavaliers get: Guard Kemba Walker, center Johnny O'Bryant
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Hornets get: Guard Reggie Jackson, forwards Henry Ellenson, Stanley Johnson and Anthony Tolliver, draft picks

Pistons get: Guard Kemba Walker and forward Marvin Williams
:mouf*
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Hornets get: Guard Darren Collison, forward Bojan Bogdanovic, center Al Jefferson, 2018 first-round pick

Pacers get: Guard Kemba Walker and center Dwight Howard

One interesting alternative: Indiana could take on the remaining three-plus years on Nicolas Batum's contract. Pacers president of basketball operations Kevin Pritchard acquired Batum in Portland (in a draft-night trade), and he would fill a need at small forward. Swapping Howard out of this deal for Batum would allow the Hornets to create far more long-term savings.
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Hornets get: Guards Ron Baker, Jarrett Jack and Frank Ntilikina

Knicks get: Guard Kemba Walker
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Hornets get: Guard Tyler Ulis, forwards Dragan Bender and Jared Dudley, centers Greg Monroe and Alan Williams

Suns get: Guards Michael Carter-Williams, Julyan Stone and Kemba Walker, centers Dwight Howard and Johnny O'Bryant

I've included 2016 No. 4 overall pick Dragan Bender here, but fellow 2016 lottery pick Marquese Chriss would fit too, or Phoenix could offer Miami's 2018 first-round pick.
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Hornets get: Guards Rodney Hood and Ricky Rubio, forward Derrick Favors, 2018 first-round pick

Jazz get: Guard Kemba Walker, forwards Jeremy Lamb and Marvin Williams


*There's no way they do this with Jackson's contract. They might as well offer to include Boban and Avery Bradley and take back Batum or Kidd-Gilchrist as well. That'd eat almost all of Charlotte's bad deals for near free. Which funny enough none of Pelton's proposals actually do.

The Pistons getting all three of Walker, Batum, and Williams would arguably patch up the team across the board. It dumps some of SVG's worst temptations while forcing another to the bench where he belongs. AND gives him players he'd actually want. They're capped out anyway next year as is. Batum's salary only extends a year beyond where they would be combined into a single player and while he would be overpaid significantly (depends on what they give Bradley), it's not like he's garbage, and can play multiple positions. Williams admittedly looks like it would revisit the Harris/Morris issue but I think works better because Williams actually learned to play defense along the way and "fits" infinitely better as he's a better shooter and needs 50% fewer possessions to give you the same output so he can go sit in a corner happily unlike Morris.

Dwight's arguably not Charlotte's worst deal as it's only got another year on it. I assume they'd prefer to keep Kidd-Gilchrist who is somehow still only 24 over Batum. Those both seem more flippable on their own than as the cost for taking Walker. Dwight they could straight up dump next year if it came to it.

Or ideally, this year send Dwight to the Lakers for Luol Deng and Corey Brewer. (Assuming they're allowed to do the extend and stretch for Deng and that's not limited to the Lakers. Also, I'm making this suggestion almost entirely to please Jack.)

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« Reply #19548 on: January 21, 2018, 02:17:55 PM »
The Pels should target one of the Hornets wings. MKG is an obvious target to reunite him with AD, but Batum is probably an easier get since I'd qualify his contract as "bad" considering his performance and age.

And all the Pels have in trade is bad contracts that are slightly shorter in length.

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« Reply #19549 on: January 21, 2018, 02:46:37 PM »
Cavs are like those Celtics teams that tried to hang until they were too old.

They have so many defensive liabilities there are always 2 or 3 guys on the floor you can pick on.

The team was constructed as a pick-up team, with no thought to who actually needed to guard somebody on the floor.



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« Reply #19550 on: January 21, 2018, 08:36:19 PM »
We(the Pels) already have an overpriced defensive wing that can't shoot. He will be back within the month. Batum makes little sense when someone like Carroll fits much better with their needs and isn't so much of an albatross.

If the opportunity is there, Demps, who never met a first rounder he wouldn't trade away for even marginal talent, will have that in some other team's pocket before the deadline.

Cavs I think are going to be hard pressed to find any move that serves the ultimate purpose of getting Lebron to not leave. George Hill or Walker are not putting them over the top IMO.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19551 on: January 22, 2018, 02:12:03 PM »
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19552 on: January 22, 2018, 04:28:35 PM »
Kidd fired. A pretty late season firing for a playoff contender.

Stoney Mason

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« Reply #19553 on: January 22, 2018, 04:55:55 PM »
Surprising in a way but I had recently seen a lot of rumblings from that fanbase who seemed very displeased with some of his decision making. Not saying they are correct but I just noticed the rumbling.

I think Lue is also right on the precipice. If they don't stabilize very quicklt, I think they might make a move.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19554 on: January 22, 2018, 10:12:29 PM »
Lue got his job because he holds LeBron as accountable as any other player, according to that Windhorst book, one of Blatt's problems was he was inconsistent in how he handled his superstar and eventually gave up and turned that over entirely to Lue which convinced the Cavs front office to just get rid of Blatt if LeBron and Lue were going to coach the team anyway. Because Spoelstra had already been coaching Wade and plus had Riley backing him up that issue did not develop in Miami and a lot of the tea leaf reading people were doing during the first title year was the legitimate development of a relationship between Spolestra and LeBron, regarding trying to destagnate the lulls of that offense through the shared love of watching video. (Spoelstra started out as Miami's video coordinator.)

This is year four for a lot of these guys, and many of the additions were guys who have been on other contending teams, they're also older. They're coasting hard, which makes their offense kinda nuts.

They slid hard last year too though, and then tore the East apart on the way back to the Finals. They were 26-7 to start 2017, then went 14-9 to sit at 40-16 after the first game out of the All-Star Break, then went 11-15 the rest of the way to finish 51-31. Their point differential fell from +8 to +3 from Jan to the end of the season.

That fourth year and last Miami team started off clunky, then had a ten game win streak early in the year and was 27-8 and even 43-14. Before finishing 11-14.

I assume Lue remains unless LeBron says otherwise. They're paying him $7 million a year until 2022. Plus Dan Gilbert fired Mike Brown without consulting LeBron last time and it turned out LeBron was okay with Brown and totally uninterested in Byron Scott. So he might hesitate a little this time.

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« Reply #19555 on: January 22, 2018, 10:29:15 PM »
The Kidd stuff from earlier in the season where they said he and the new front office were communicating through proxies rather than directly was a little blip and then the waiving Liggins so Kidd couldn't play him. The armchair grumbling I saw was a lot about Giannis being the only one of their guys actually developing, especially Thon Maker seemingly going backwards. And that Kidd hadn't formally established even to this point in the season how to use Bledsoe, Giannis, Middleton and Brogdon in terms of an offensive pecking order so the team would sometimes seem like it was taking turns.

Zach Lowe's end of the week piece noted their 25th ranked defense, despite their hyper aggressive scheme and all those long athletic beautiful black bodies because it overloads the floor deliberately but unlike Thibs same scheme (which also has been doing poorly in Minnesota) it doesn't rotate fast enough, especially now and they're getting brutalized from threes on the opposite side of the floor or they're fouling because they're a half second late. (Lowe oddly didn't note the latter, where they're the worst team in the league considering Memphis uses a high foul system like Utah used to.)

Maybe the best part of the story:
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Jason Kidd said that Milwaukee Bucks star Giannis Antetokounmpo called him about 15 minutes before Kidd was officially notified he'd been fired by the Bucks and offered to help save his job.

"He called me and said, 'Coach, this isn't right what they're about to do, but [they] are gonna let you go,'" Kidd told ESPN.

Kidd said he replied, "I had a feeling that was gonna take place."

To which Antetokounmpo responded, "'What can I do? I'll call the owners, I'll call my agent."
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Kidd said he was officially informed he'd been fired about 15 minutes later when he met with general manager Jon Horst and team president Peter Feigin at a pizza restaurant.

"There was no explanation. It was just, 'We're going in another direction.'"

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19556 on: January 22, 2018, 11:16:34 PM »
https://twitter.com/PelicansPR/status/955652246569672704


Boogie was beast in this game. 52 minutes. 4 steals and a massive block on Markinnen in double OT.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19557 on: January 22, 2018, 11:25:06 PM »
read it quick and thought they were saying Wilt had a 3 point 18 rebound 68 assist game

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #19558 on: January 22, 2018, 11:36:02 PM »
No, that's be Rondo's record.