The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread

[Mupepe]

ITT Andrex wants Steve Contra and Mr. Gundam to summarize corporate law and the associated economic theories in a single post. 

[StealthFan]

The Black Stallion lmfao. Goddamn GAF used to be great.

Stallion's attempt at being another Maddox wasn't so funny though. His entry about the Sniper series made me chuckle a bit, even if he was trying too hard.

[Steve Contra]

Laws.

LAW, MAN

Like, I know there's LAWS and PRECEDENTS out there that totally make NDAs crucial to every single company out there to survive. I just won't say what they are.

It's called an 8-k.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_8-K#When_Form_8-K_is_required

So please shut up now.

No, because just posting that doesn't say anything.

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

[Tasty]

Andrex. Every new project you do I hope you blog about it extensively so others can steal your ideas.

I would love for this to happen because so many of my projects go unfinished. Like with Candlepin which I posted a while back, I would love for there to be a site that used those same ideas since I've cooled off on it.

As it is, I usually announce most of my projects by simultaneously posting a GitHub link. Sharing is caring.

[Great Rumbler]

Information just wants to be free, man.

[Tasty]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

[Joe Molotov]

Andrex, you are on the verge of being banned here. Demi didn't want to tell you, but I'm breaking NDA.

[Tasty]

Information just wants to be free, man.

You said it.

[Shadow Mod]

Andrex. Every new project you do I hope you blog about it extensively so others can steal your ideas.

I would love for this to happen because so many of my projects go unfinished. Like with Candlepin which I posted a while back, I would love for there to be a site that used those same ideas since I've cooled off on it.

As it is, I usually announce most of my projects by simultaneously posting a GitHub link. Sharing is caring.

You're specifically referencing stuff you didn't finish because ::hindsight::. If it was something great that others aren't doing and you mention it, the race is on to beat you to it even if the quality is lesser. That's the point, securing ideas.

[Tasty]

Andrex, you are on the verge of being banned here. Demi didn't want to tell you, but I'm breaking NDA.

Cool. Not like I was getting much out of the discourse anyways.

[Verdigris Murder]

ITT Andrex wants Steve Contra and Mr. Gundam to summarize corporate law and the associated economic theories in a single post.

But still. The law is fine, but the lawyers are mostly pretty fucking awful. It's a bit like the Koran and suicide bombers I guess.

[Tasty]

Andrex. Every new project you do I hope you blog about it extensively so others can steal your ideas.

I would love for this to happen because so many of my projects go unfinished. Like with Candlepin which I posted a while back, I would love for there to be a site that used those same ideas since I've cooled off on it.

As it is, I usually announce most of my projects by simultaneously posting a GitHub link. Sharing is caring.

You're specifically referencing stuff you didn't finish because ::hindsight::. If it was something great that others aren't doing and you mention it, the race is on to beat you to it even if the quality is lesser. That's the point, securing ideas.

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

[Shadow Mod]

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

Oh dear lord. I've seen some fabulous designs that were shallow as all fuck.

[Mupepe]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

He's saying the potential for abuse by individual employees is too high.  "Company X is working on a new miracle drug" when in reality "Company X is starting research into a potential new miracle drug" + the confusion this would cause in markets.  The whole point of the SEC is to keep the markets stable.

In other words, take some economics classes and put 2 and 2 together.  You sound a lot like a libertarian (or a troll) with your naivety

[Shadow Mod]

He's saying the potential for abuse by individual employees is too high.  "Company X is working on a new miracle drug" when in reality "Company X is starting research into a potential new miracle drug" + the confusion this would cause in markets.  The whole point of the SEC is to keep the markets stable.

Fuck that we need more rumors in the market.

[Tasty]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

He's saying the potential for abuse by individual employees is too high.  "Company X is working on a new miracle drug" when in reality "Company X is starting research into a potential new miracle drug" + the confusion this would cause in markets.  The whole point of the SEC is to keep the markets stable.

That's basically handicapping information for the sake of the dumb, which I can accept on a pragmatic level but not an idealistic one.

[Tasty]

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

Oh dear lord. I've seen some fabulous designs that were shallow as all fuck.

Then the execution wasn't very good.

[Steve Contra]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

Yes, because employees are not allowed to trade on info that isn't public, hence filing an 8-k and alerting investors all at once, not through some fansite.

[Shadow Mod]

What does the information sharing actually do for people Andrex?

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

Oh dear lord. I've seen some fabulous designs that were shallow as all fuck.

Then the execution wasn't very good.

Haha you can have a pretty awesome looking design without staying power or a strong concept. You're deciding "execution" is the entire design process.

[Mupepe]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

He's saying the potential for abuse by individual employees is too high.  "Company X is working on a new miracle drug" when in reality "Company X is starting research into a potential new miracle drug" + the confusion this would cause in markets.  The whole point of the SEC is to keep the markets stable.

That's basically handicapping information for the sake of the dumb, which I can accept on a pragmatic level but not an idealistic one.

[In other words, take some economics classes and put 2 and 2 together.  You sound a lot like a libertarian (or a troll) with your naivety

Damn I called it.  The world doesn't function ideally.

[Steve Contra]

It lets Andrex know about Nintendo in development 2 months early.

[Shadow Mod]

It lets Andrex know about Nintendo in development 2 months early.

That's what he wants despite how much instability in investing it would cause and how it wouldn't change much for him?

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

Eh, this sentiment has been the thrust of game development this whole generation and the overall product has been uninspiring. I'd rather play something daring and interesting but flawed in a few respects than some boring shit that's been polished to a marble. How Nintendo of you.

In design we call them polished turds.

[Great Rumbler]

NDAs are bad now? I guess it's time for doctors and psychologists to flood the internet with patient records! Someone out there probably really wants to get that information and it would wrong to not let them see it.

[Tasty]

What does the information sharing actually do for people Andrex?

Nothing. That's why the internet is completely worthless.

Haha you can have a pretty awesome looking design without staying power or a strong concept. You're deciding "execution" is the entire design process.

Execution isn't only design.

[Shadow Mod]

Haha you can have a pretty awesome looking design without staying power or a strong concept. You're deciding "execution" is the entire design process.

Execution isn't only design.

Now you're just not even making sense.

[Flannel Boy]

Mario jumps in 2D, Mario jumps in 3D, Mario rides around in a kart, Mario plays golf, Mario parties, Mario forces his brother to vacuum his house. There.

[Tasty]

NDAs are bad now? I guess it's time for doctors and psychologists to flood the internet with patient records! Someone out there probably really wants to get that information and it would wrong to not let them see it.

I never implied it was, just that it's a problem in he games industry specifically.

To use an example, patents are crucial and necessary in some fields like medicine, but completely toxic in others like software.

[Mupepe]

Andrex: The Ron Paul of The Bore.

[Tasty]

Haha you can have a pretty awesome looking design without staying power or a strong concept. You're deciding "execution" is the entire design process.

Execution isn't only design.

Now you're just not even making sense.

You can execute on more than design, I'm not sure how to make that clearer. You can execute a daring new concept roughly, but it could still be executed better than if it wasn't executed at all. Which is what I meant by saying ideas are worthless.

[Tasty]

Andrex: The Ron Paul of The Bore.

Who?

[Steve Youngblood]

TBH it sounds like you just want ur game nooz and you want it NOW, rather than any legitimate justifying rationale backed up by data.

He basically just thinks that corporations would be better if they ran like open source software projects.

[Great Rumbler]

NDAs are bad now? I guess it's time for doctors and psychologists to flood the internet with patient records! Someone out there probably really wants to get that information and it would wrong to not let them see it.

I never implied it was, just that it's a problem in he games industry specifically.

To use an example, patents are crucial and necessary in some fields like medicine, but completely toxic in others like software.

Now you're just picking and choosing. You were never on the "free information" bandwagon at all!

[Shadow Mod]

You can execute on more than design, I'm not sure how to make that clearer. You can execute a daring new concept roughly, but it could still be executed better than if it wasn't executed at all. Which is what I meant by saying ideas are worthless.

Saying ideas are worthless is the dumbest declarative statement I've read in a long time.

[Tasty]

TBH it sounds like you just want ur game nooz and you want it NOW, rather than any legitimate justifying rationale backed up by data.

I don't really care what it sounds like, it's what I believe to be true.

[Steve Contra]

And it's dumb, case closed.

[Great Rumbler]

TBH it sounds like you just want ur game nooz and you want it NOW, rather than any legitimate justifying rationale backed up by data.

I don't really care what it sounds like, it's what I believe to be true.

Well, I believe that Reggie and Shiggy are gonna come to my house one day and throw me an awesome party with a million naked women and a bounce castle, but it ain't gonna happen and there are a lot of good reasons why.

[Tasty]

You can execute on more than design, I'm not sure how to make that clearer. You can execute a daring new concept roughly, but it could still be executed better than if it wasn't executed at all. Which is what I meant by saying ideas are worthless.

Saying ideas are worthless is literally the dumbest declarative statement I've read in a long time.

I should amend my previous post to the one from the last page: "Ideas are worthless next to execution."

Ideas that are copied are usually not executed as well. And those that are merely give consumers more choice. It's how game design has evolved. Everything is a knockoff of something in some way.

[Mupepe]

There's got to be a newfeed worthy quote in here somewhere

[Steve Contra]

There's got to be a newfeed worthy quote in here somewhere

"Andrex is dumb"

Although that's not really news.

[Shadow Mod]

I should amend my previous post to the one from the last page: "Ideas are worthless next to execution."

Ideas that are copied are usually not executed as well. And those that are merely give consumers more choice. It's how game design has evolved. Everything is a knockoff of something in some way.

That amendment doesn't help either where the fuck do you think concepts and design even comes from? Ideas.

[Tasty]

TBH it sounds like you just want ur game nooz and you want it NOW, rather than any legitimate justifying rationale backed up by data.

He basically just thinks that corporations would be better if they ran like open source software projects.

It would be nice, at least. But don't take that to mean I don't think they shouldn't make money.

And it's dumb, case closed.

AAA++++ post, would read again.

[Tasty]

I should amend my previous post to the one from the last page: "Ideas are worthless next to execution."

Ideas that are copied are usually not executed as well. And those that are merely give consumers more choice. It's how game design has evolved. Everything is a knockoff of something in some way.

That amendment doesn't help either where the fuck do you think concepts and design even comes from? Ideas.

And what are they worth? Nothing (*next to execution.)

I had the idea for Ouya years ago. In fact, it was an even better idea than theirs. Guess how much that's made me so far? The answer might surprise you.

[Flannel Boy]

I had the idea for Ouya years ago. In fact, it was an even better idea than theirs. Guess how much that's made me so far? The answer might surprise you.

stop trying to get on the newsfeed.

[Shadow Mod]

And what are they worth? Nothing (*next to execution.)

I had the idea for Ouya years ago. In fact, it was an even better idea than theirs. Guess how much that's made me so far? The answer might surprise you.

I guess you don't know about people who get hired just to generate ideas or what marketing/advertising is all about.

[demi]

HE THINKS BUSINESSES SHOULD BE OPEN SOURCE

[Tasty]

Saying ideas are worth a lot, or more than execution, is a nice sentiment since it makes people feel better about themselves and their wasted, unproductful lives. Personally, my ideas dying with me is one of my larger fears.

Your beliefs are irrelevant. Demonstrate that transparency is objectively better for investors and shareholders in the games industry using studies or data  or throw yourself in the bushes, because you're just answering shit with one liners.

The entire point of the conversation is that I'm intensely unapologetic for corporations and shareholders, so why would I do that?

And what are they worth? Nothing (*next to execution.)

I had the idea for Ouya years ago. In fact, it was an even better idea than theirs. Guess how much that's made me so far? The answer might surprise you.

I guess you don't know about people who get hired just to generate ideas or what marketing/advertising is all about.

Marketing is a form of execution. Those who execute it better have an advantage.

And hiring all the idea people in the world is just going to make you that much poorer if you never do anything with them.

[Tasty]

HE THINKS BUSINESSES SHOULD BE OPEN SOURCE

No. I think such a thing would be interesting, but I really just want more transparency in the game industry right now. Have to start small, you see.

[Shadow Mod]

Marketing is a form of execution. Those who execute it better have an advantage.

And hiring all the idea people in the world is just going to make you that much poorer if you never do anything with them.

Jesus christ. You really think everyone in a firm is able to execute their ideas? What the fuck would be the point. Do you think every coder/designer is an ideas man/woman?

[DCharlieJP]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

There are many situations where large deals or large positions movements are going to go down for a single entity/company that a handful of people need to know about as the is usually work involved  - if I went and tweeted about the slightest of details then its possible that markets/stocks/companies can be affected - this isn't just slapped wrist territory : this is jail time territory.

There's a few other posters her who are likely routinely under NDAs that would make you piss out your kidney

[Steve Contra]

Saying ideas are worth a lot, or more than execution, is a nice sentiment since it makes people feel better about themselves and their wasted, unproductful lives. Personally, my ideas dying with me is one of my larger fears.

Your beliefs are irrelevant. Demonstrate that transparency is objectively better for investors and shareholders in the games industry using studies or data  or throw yourself in the bushes, because you're just answering shit with one liners.

The entire point of the conversation is that I'm intensely unapologetic for corporations and shareholders, so why would I do that?

And?  You said NDAs were outdated for corporations to use.  And now you say corporations are irrelevant to that?  So which is it, NDAs are outdated for corporations (which you most certainly haven't demonstrated) or that you simply don't like them and what corporations do to protect against fraud/legal action/trade secrets being leaked is not important.  Because you're making 2 separate arguments here.

[Steve Youngblood]

I had the idea for Ouya years ago. In fact, it was an even better idea than theirs. Guess how much that's made me so far? The answer might surprise you.

It's important to understand a distinction, here. I understand the gist of what you're getting at, but I think you are being very obtuse in making your point. Yes, broad, non-specific ideas aren't worth much. What is of worth are very specific ideas that also have a plausible roadmap as to how to implement that idea and the gumption to make a stab at seeing it through. What was your idea that was better than their's? To make an android-based games console?

That doesn't really illustrate how meaningless ideas are. It feels like we're talking about examples like me asserting that, after watching James Cameron's Titanic again, I've got an idea for my own film that apes that except it's set on the Hindenburg, and I hope to make even more money than Titanic! Yes, this idea is pretty worthless, I agree.

[Tasty]

Marketing is a form of execution. Those who execute it better have an advantage.

And hiring all the idea people in the world is just going to make you that much poorer if you never do anything with them.

Jesus christ. You really think everyone in a firm is able to execute their ideas? What the fuck would be the point. Do you think every coder/designer is an ideas man/woman?

Not necessarily, but I know there's more of them and they're compensated better than the "idea guys."

In addition, the best executions have come from those who are.

What was Bill Gates/Microsoft's big innovation? What made them the most successful company in the world in a such a short time?

Well, their first success came from swindling IBM into using their nonexistent-at-the-time OS. But what made them the most money was Windows.

Did they invent WIMP? No. They took it from Apple, and they didn't even invent it. Thank Xerox for that.

Was the iPhone the first smartphone? I can go on.

[StealthFan]

OPA really laid into Stallion about his water. It really is a stupid fucking idea though.

EDIT: There is a dude named James Woods running around there ;\ Ain't me....

[Shadow Mod]

Marketing is a form of execution. Those who execute it better have an advantage.

And hiring all the idea people in the world is just going to make you that much poorer if you never do anything with them.

Jesus christ. You really think everyone in a firm is able to execute their ideas? What the fuck would be the point. Do you think every coder/designer is an ideas man/woman?

Not necessarily, but I know there's more of them and they're compensated better than the "idea guys."

In addition, the best executions have come from those who are.

What was Bill Gates/Microsoft's big innovation? What made them the most successful company in the world in a such a short time?

Well, their first success came from swindling IBM into using their nonexistent-at-the-time OS. But what made them the most money was Windows.

Did they invent WIMP? No. They took it from Apple, and they didn't even invent it. Thank Xerox for that.

Was the iPhone the first smartphone?

By bringing up Gates and Jobs you merely proved my point about ideas men.

[Great Rumbler]

Starting from a good idea generally results in a better end product, so I guess ideas are good after all?

[Flannel Boy]

Personally, my ideas dying with me is one of my larger fears.

My ideas dying with me is also one of my biggest fears because it means I died.

If your ideas are any good, flesh them out so you can copyright or patent them--or just upload them to the internet.

[Steve Contra]

Starting from a good idea generally results in a better end product, so I guess ideas are good after all?

"I'm going to make a comedy about 2 gay guys that run a pizza shop in Little Italy"

- James Cameron, right before making a romance set aboard the Titanic

[Verdigris Murder]

An augmented reality rape iOS.

It would sell buckets.

[Tasty]

I had the idea for Ouya years ago. In fact, it was an even better idea than theirs. Guess how much that's made me so far? The answer might surprise you.

It's important to understand a distinction, here. I understand the gist of what you're getting at, but I think you are being very obtuse in making your point. Yes, broad, non-specific ideas aren't worth much. What is of worth are very specific ideas that also have a plausible roadmap as to how to implement that idea and the gumption to make a stab at seeing it through. What was your idea that was better than their's? To make an android-based games console?

That doesn't really illustrate how meaningless ideas are. It feels like we're talking about examples like me asserting that, after watching James Cameron's Titanic again, I've got an idea for my own film that apes that except it's set on the Hindenburg, and I hope to make even more money than Titanic! Yes, this idea is pretty worthless, I agree.

Well, right. I guess specifically, the core of what I mean, and how it relates to NDAs, is that copied ideas are worthless, so they're not worth the baggage of the whole NDA concept. (Since I brought up the WIMP example, it wasn't that Windows had a knockoff Mac GUI that made it successful, but Gates' business execution, which Apple couldn't (or wouldn't) copy.)

Smaller innovations are probably worth protecting, but I would still give the edge to their execution rather than the pure idea.

[Verdigris Murder]

Or maybe someone could make some decent children's bath toys. There's money in that.

Because they are mostly fucking awful.