The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread

[Steve Contra]

lolno. Check the times again bro. People were arguing with him earlier.

It's been like four and a half hours.

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world, but I really just wanted to defend my position on NDAs in the gaming industry. I don't think they're necessary anymore, for anyone, but especially gamers.

Yes, and we've proven over and over again that they are.  For employees, stockholders, the Government, almost everyone outside of forum things.

[Shadow Mod]

The irony is that your statement applies more to the inability to safeguard ideas. Then what would be the point of entrepreneurship? Trying to establish new things would be futile if it's always made public.

That's what my post was making fun of. The idea that nothing would be worth trying because it might be copied is absurd. NDAs are a relatively new invention in the history of media, and as far as I'm concerned, an unnecessary one in most cases when applied to the gaming industry.

It would make competition a moot point if you have to let someone see your test answers. I don't see why you're oblivious to this.

[Boogie]

Holy fuckbeans at the last five pages. 

Anyway, so what does TBS actually do currently with his pimped-out poses with beachside views?  Is he slinging?

[StealthFan]

I think he's full of shit. Stallion was always a clever cat but I think those pics are him in someone else's habitat.

[Steve Contra]

Holy fuckbeans at the last five pages. 

Because the last 885 were sparkling examples of human endeavor, right?

[Boogie]

Holy fuckbeans at the last five pages. 

Because the last 885 were sparkling examples of human endeavor, right?

....

okay, point.

[Steve Contra]

I really don't think Andrex realizes he is crossing into Libertarian territory.  We'll see a repeat of Flame of Callandor soon.  Same stubborn posting, same style, Nintendo fans.  Can't wait.

[Boogie]

I think he's full of shit. Stallion was always a clever cat but I think those pics are him in someone else's habitat.

ah, yes, that would be his M.O., wouldn't it?

[StealthFan]

I believe his only involvement in Mollywatr is his friendship with the owner and that he agreed to help shill it. Then in true BS fashion he brags online that this is actually partially his product.

[Shadow Mod]

I'm probably annoying the fuck out of people by now but lol athletes are all rapists.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46057961&postcount=85

[Barry Egan]

My favorite part was when the one guy said "ideas are worthless" and then vehemently argued that point for pages.

[Steve Contra]

My favorite part was when the one guy said "ideas are worthless" and then vehemently argued that point for pages.

[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506801

Emily Chu... brilliant troll or stupid fucking bumpkin?

[Tasty]

It would make competition a moot point if you have to let someone see your test answers. I don't see why you're oblivious to this.

So no one competed over anything before patents and NDAs? Please.

Ah, to be in my early 20s and idealistically stupid again

Don't miss it at all

Had I been here in the beginning I'd have pointed out MML3 as a good example of something that would have been better for all parties were it not disclosed so early.

MML3 doesn't prove anything except how awful Capcom is at managing things and how little Inafune actually cared about the series.

[Steve Contra]

We've moved on to just making fun of you know, Callandor Junior.

[Great Rumbler]

Patents of one kind or another have existed since 500 BC.

[StealthFan]

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world

christ i hope some scientist manages to resurrect a stegosaur so it fucks you to death

        

[Mr. Gundam]

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world

christ i hope some scientist manages to resurrect a stegosaur so it fucks you to death

        

Ah, to be young and naive.

Actually, scratch that. That's offensive to young people.

[Great Rumbler]

If anything, NDAs actually force companies to be more innovative and creative, since they're not sure what their competitors are doing or working years and years in advance.

I know, I know, the conversation has long passed its expiration date BUT I DON'T PLAY BY YOUR RULES.

[parallax]

I'm probably annoying the fuck out of people by now but lol athletes are all rapists.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46057961&postcount=85

Its nice to see that measly is still saying dumb shit

[Tasty]

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world

christ i hope some scientist manages to resurrect a stegosaur so it fucks you to death

[pilonv1]

god damn I feel dumb after reading Andrex from the last 5 pages

[Tasty]

god damn I feel dumb after reading Andrex from the last 5 pages

How do you think I feel, I had to write that drivel.

[DCharlieJP]

There is actuallyan instructional video i had to watch on NDA/IP/copyright in my previous life in copyright and, lol, anti-piracy - it would make Andrex realise why his idea is so god awful

Oh - ps- you know how often we are reminded about our NDA commitments at work? Every month - mandatory training - with a quiz that, if failed, means you go on even more mandatory training. Whilst i'd love to not go through repeated training and stress of ndas they are here to stay and they are in the interests of every creative type/coder/implementer etc on the planet

[Don Flamenco]

mml3     

capcom's just like "fuck this shit, never tell them anything again" 

[StealthFan]

The only thing MML3 proves is that Mega Man fans are almost as bad as Sonic's when it comes to accepting drivel.

[benjipwns]

To use an example, patents are crucial and necessary in some fields like medicine, but completely toxic in others like software.

The thing about patents is that you get (theoretically at least) a term of monopoly protection in exchange for PUBLISHING the finding/discovery/invention/etc.

If you eliminated the patent everything would be locked away under NDA's and held as trade secrets even more so.

Why should Pfzier enjoy a head start and get a return on their investment before sharing their wonder drug (which can then be made generic in five years or whatever) but Google or Nintendo or Microsoft shouldn't on the products they manufactured?

It's one thing if you're opposed to the entire state-run patent system or want to overhaul it (scale it back or expand it for everyone) from its current state, but it's quite another if you want to pick and choose what should get monopoly protections and what shouldn't based only on whatever products you currently want immediate access to.

[StealthFan]

The only thing MML3 proves is that Mega Man fans are almost as bad as Sonic's when it comes to accepting drivel.

So you think they wouldn't have been better off not saying anything about it until they were sure they were going through with it?  We're not talking about the low standards of Mega Man fans here.  Stay on target or we're going to lose Andrex again.

Andrex

Plenty of games get cancelled. I've looked forward to so many games that were announced/rumored and then shitcanned. What makes MML3 so special that these cats have to whine repeatedly about it?

[Don Flamenco]

The only thing MML3 proves is that Mega Man fans are almost as bad as Sonic's when it comes to accepting drivel.

So you think they wouldn't have been better off not saying anything about it until they were sure they were going through with it?  We're not talking about the low standards of Mega Man fans here.  Stay on target or we're going to lose Andrex again.

Andrex

Plenty of games get cancelled. I've looked forward to so many games that were announced/rumored and then shitcanned. What makes MML3 so special that these cats have to whine repeatedly about it?

the response is gonna be about how some PR guy didn't properly sugar-coat their statement to the community and/or that capcom didn't try hard enough.   Fans can't accept that for one reason or another, the project just wasn't going to work.  If there was money in it, they would have done it. 

[Van Cruncheon]

in andrex' disney princess pollyanna universe, there is no mass global communications infrastructure or high-speed small factor digitization devices, just a version of google that plays christian pop rock in its halls

[Van Cruncheon]

6) fancreatures who are obsessed with a stupid franchise mascot and the attendant manufactured "universe"

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Oh man, if I did anything close to what Andrex was proposing for my job, FERC would drill several fuck holes into me, penetrate them hard and deep, and throw me in the corner, leaving me for dead.

[DCharlieJP]

You know what's even funnier regarding NDA's ? We aren't allowed to discuss salary levels with other employees - as my wife is in the same firm we are legally bound to not discuss what we earn with ech other lol

[Steve Youngblood]

Oh man, if I did anything close to what Andrex was proposing for my job, FERC would drill several fuck holes into me, penetrate them hard and deep, and throw me in the corner, leaving me for dead.

But you'd be making the world a more transparent -- and thus better -- place.

[benjipwns]

Don't worry, Charlie. They can't arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.

[Timedog]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46064650&postcount=1

"manz"

ummm, what??

[Steve Youngblood]

Don't worry, Charlie. They can't arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.

"I have the worst fucking lawyer."

[DCharlieJP]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=506709

Lets pretend indeed

Originally Posted by farnham: 
nintenso will not get third party support. People need to understamd. Nintendo needs to understand. There are a lot of people in the industry that would. Rather loose their jobs then degrade themselves to port games to nintendo platforms. Companies will rather go bancrupt then invest in nintendo platforms. Its a long manifested hate. The only way for nintendo is to accept it and expand their first party studios.

Possibly the dumbest notion ever written on gaf - fanboys don't run games companies

[Steve Youngblood]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=506709

Lets pretend indeed

What about this hypothetical, DCharlie? What if they didn't release at all?

[DCharlieJP]

If x720/ps4 were to cancel NOW that would mean more games cancelled than those due for wiiu

But I hear the WiiU is saving the industry from a crash so what do I know?!

[benjipwns]

The hate really stems from an insecurity in developers, especially Western ones. On the 360/PS3/PC/iPhone/720/PS4 they can throw out a lot of derivative shooters packed full of killing and visuals. On Nintendo platforms they have to innovate gameplay and compete against not just each others drivel but Nintendo's well-crafted software. Rather than try to learn and improve their own work they throw temper tantrums, stamp their feet and go Galt.

[DCharlieJP]

The hate really stems from an insecurity in developers, especially Western ones. On the 360/PS3/PC/iPhone/720/PS4 they can throw out a lot of derivative shooters packed full of killing and visuals. On Nintendo platforms they have to innovate gameplay and compete against not just each others drivel but Nintendo's well-crafted software. Rather than try to learn and improve their own work they throw temper tantrums, stamp their feet and go Galt.

Piece of shit games like that fucking awful Carnival shit sold like stupid on the wii - companies learned that nthings have all the taste of Teletubby fetching cumsponges and decided that , as their least best efforts worked, that its not even worth the porting effort.

I'm sure history will show they were right

It's not hate - its financial reality and anyone arguing some industry wide agenda is a fucking idiot

[ToxicAdam]

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't the vast majority of Nintendo's software just updates of old ideas or jamming Mario characters in existing game types?

They are not really competing against innovation but rather against brand identity.

[TakingBackSunday]

The hate really stems from an insecurity in developers, especially Western ones. On the 360/PS3/PC/iPhone/720/PS4 they can throw out a lot of derivative shooters packed full of killing and visuals. On Nintendo platforms they have to innovate gameplay and compete against not just each others drivel but Nintendo's well-crafted software. Rather than try to learn and improve their own work they throw temper tantrums, stamp their feet and go Galt.

Piece of shit games like that fucking awful Carnival shit sold like stupid on the wii - companies learned that nthings have all the taste of Teletubby fetching cumsponges and decided that , as their least best efforts worked, that its not even worth the porting effort.

I'm sure history will show they were right

It's not hate - its financial reality and anyone arguing some industry wide agenda is a fucking idiot

I wouldn't say nthings bought that terrible carnival game.  The casual gamer that got hooked by wii sports did most likely.

at least I didn't buy that carnival game, and we all know I'm as nthingy as they come

[thisismyusername]

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't the vast majority of Nintendo's software just updates of old ideas or jamming Mario characters in existing game types?

No, you're not missing anything.

I wrote a longer post out, but fuck it. After jumping through the past five pages, I don't really want to debate this stupid shit with Andy.

[king of the internet]

The hate really stems from an insecurity in developers, especially Western ones. On the 360/PS3/PC/iPhone/720/PS4 they can throw out a lot of derivative shooters packed full of killing and visuals. On Nintendo platforms they have to innovate gameplay and compete against not just each others drivel but Nintendo's well-crafted software. Rather than try to learn and improve their own work they throw temper tantrums, stamp their feet and go Galt.

perfect

[etiolate]

The hate really stems from an insecurity in developers, especially Western ones. On the 360/PS3/PC/iPhone/720/PS4 they can throw out a lot of derivative shooters packed full of killing and visuals. On Nintendo platforms they have to innovate gameplay and compete against not just each others drivel but Nintendo's well-crafted software. Rather than try to learn and improve their own work they throw temper tantrums, stamp their feet and go Galt.

Piece of shit games like that fucking awful Carnival shit sold like stupid on the wii - companies learned that nthings have all the taste of Teletubby fetching cumsponges and decided that , as their least best efforts worked, that its not even worth the porting effort.

I'm sure history will show they were right

It's not hate - its financial reality and anyone arguing some industry wide agenda is a fucking idiot

That audience is gone. (The Carnival Games one.) Nintendo fans have always had a wariness of third parties and are rather picky.

You rarely see a console with strong third party and strong first party games. When Sony began emphasizing their first party is when Microsoft started gaining in the third party part of software. MS has nothing besides Halo and that gives third parties tons of open space to release products against zero competition.

[Purple Filth]

What the fuck happened in here?

[Mr. Gundam]

What the fuck happened in here?

Andrex demonstrated why more people need to take economics and business law classes in college.

[Cindi Mayweather]

oh my fucking god this post on the coli was so funny that i laughed so hard and probably woke up the house

http://www.the-coli.com/2778383-post4.html

awesome gimmick poster

[StealthFan]

not bad

[Momo]

I refuse to read the six pages of growth this thread has undergone since I was last awake

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506801

Emily Chu... brilliant troll or stupid fucking bumpkin?

Amazing

[Fifstar]

I refuse to read the six pages of growth this thread has undergone since I was last awake

If only I had the same thought 20 minutes ago 

[Fifstar]

farnham is one of the dumbest ninthings on the whole board, approaching Gaghiddi levels but sadly for real.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I didnt know Andrex was this thick. What do you do for a job Andy?

You know what's even funnier regarding NDA's ? We aren't allowed to discuss salary levels with other employees - as my wife is in the same firm we are legally bound to not discuss what we earn with ech other lol

This is the stupidest part of any contract imho.

Fucking bean counters playing people against each other.

[Barry Egan]

I didnt know Andrex was this thick. What do you do for a job Andy?

yeah I am out of the loop when it comes to videogames, so I appreciated this exchange because it allowed me to experience what everyone else already knows about Andrex. 

[Reb]

I didnt know Andrex was this thick. What do you do for a job Andy?

You know what's even funnier regarding NDA's ? We aren't allowed to discuss salary levels with other employees - as my wife is in the same firm we are legally bound to not discuss what we earn with ech other lol

This is the stupidest part of any contract imho.

Fucking bean counters playing people against each other.

Hey! Bean counters are people too!

[Don Flamenco]

does somethingawful still redirect to a giant pic of an ejaculating cock if you hotlink their images? 

[Broseidon]

does somethingawful still redirect to a giant pic of an ejaculating cock if you hotlink their images?

fo srs?

Guess it's a good job I rehosted all those emotes