The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread

[Tasty]

Who does the crazy posts better, me or Himu.

[benjipwns]

farnham is one of the dumbest ninthings on the whole board, approaching Gaghiddi levels but sadly for real.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46096630&postcount=1576

[DCharlieJP]

If you don't care about shooters there's nothing except shmups, strategy, RPGs, racing games, mech sims, sports games, party titles, retro games, arcade games/ports, online havy games, experimental titles, etc etc

People see what they want to see - the big area if you want to pinpoint where x360/ps3 is lacking is AAA platformers

[etiolate]

Prime is more an adventure game than a shooter.

I would say action/adventure and platformers have both been absorbed into general action games, but that is robbed them of much of their distinct flavor. Many are at their heart action games with some adventure or platform elements.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

farnham is a huge dweeb.  Since we're talking about wrestling, he was one of the biggest defenders/proponents of what if scenarios when Chris Benoit died.  I filed him under the "shithead" category ever since.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=9918.msg241404#msg241404

[StealthFan]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46109367&postcount=9

I'm sure people wish they could make you invisible! Ugly fuck. When I saw the avatar I laughed and said "what a cigarillo". Then I saw whose avatar it was and it all fell into place.

Disclaimer: I think the gays should have marriage rights like everyone else. They should be able to adopt too. Just sayin'

[archie4208]

Pro wrestling was fun back in the 90s when Stone Cold and The Rock were still around.

Kinda died when WCW died, though. 

[StealthFan]

Yeah. WCW4LYFE. Shit has never been the same.

[Momo]

Cant wait to see who is first to recycle in an old nWo4lyf avatar

[Cerveza mas fina]

Quality thread great op

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=507005

[Don Flamenco]

Thanks for reminding me Himu, I've had Abandon The Old In Tokyo and MW on my shelf for...years. 


If you want to get into anime, watch episodes of Serial Experiments Lain, Angel Cop, Fruits Basket, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Bleach, and Bible Black.  See which episodes resonate the most, then google, for example "anime like bible black." 

Quality thread great op

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=507005

does he still post here?  everyone's names changed and i'm still figuring it out

[Shaka Khan]

Haha, I really enjoyed reading that thread. From name dropping Borys and taking some credit for the community's growth to the whole research. On a scale of 1 to 10 how sincere was Kosma, in your opinion?

[Cerveza mas fina]

If could penetrate the depths of his mind id say the name dropping and credit are a joke, but the point he is making is sincere.

 

[Don Flamenco]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46109367&postcount=9

I'm sure people wish they could make you invisible! Ugly fuck. When I saw the avatar I laughed and said "what a cigarillo". Then I saw whose avatar it was and it all fell into place.

Disclaimer: I think the gays should have marriage rights like everyone else. They should be able to adopt too. Just sayin'

heh, weird mustache. 

i know what he means though.  Begging for money is a big business in Chicago.  There are about 4 spots on my morning commute where there's a high chance of me getting asked for change and I walk about a total of one block in open air where I'm not on a bus or train.  And not by run down homeless guys, but dudes who have a pitch they repeat, which they've been doing for years since I arrived.  They've got normal clothes, shoes, they're showered, and don't seem desperate...I know you're not supposed to judge homeless people by how desperate they seem, but after years of seeing them do the same thing every day, it's clearly a job for them.  One girl had a fucking North Face fleece on and was begging with her gutter punk boyfriend.  There's a guy who hangs out at the entrance to the expressway with full camping gear, a camping pack with supplies for the day. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

The links to his old posts are probably only there so people dont brand him a pc troll, since he is a no name and not tagged like some cool posters.

[Purple Filth]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506649&page=33

Steve what the fuck are you doing 

[Shaka Khan]

Steve's posts gave me a giant boner. I'm not sure that other aspie was worth the time though.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Steve thoroughly eviscerated that guy but it doesn't matter; that guy is still going to believe PR and bullshit "industy insider" sources.  I was around during the Dreamcast days, I know how desperate fanboys can get.

[Fifstar]

Lager what's your ultimate point with those threads? That pc gamers will have to upgrade their rig sometime during the next couple of years?

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Yeah Steve, it's probably best to walk away from that guy.

Check out Quinton McLeod's post history.  Really funny stuff.  He gets so caught up defending Nintendo and generally disagreeing with everyone that he ends up forgetting what he was even arguing about in the first place.  A few weeks ago there was a pretty hilarious exchange between him and Marty Chinn about Nintendo's digital download service and Quinton made some idiotic remark about how he likes downloading because then he doesn't have to worry about leaving his ID in his car when he goes to purchase an M rated game at Walmart.  Marty told him that it was kind of a weird thing to say since most people carry their ID and their money together to which Quinton replied that Marty must not know about the Bill of Rights.  It just spun out of fucking control from there.

The guy is insane.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Who here is agent ironside on gaf?

Lager what's your ultimate point with those threads? That pc gamers will have to upgrade their rig sometime during the next couple of years?

Yeah, some newbies to pcs have the wrong idea.

[Broseidon]

Yeah Steve, it's probably best to walk away from that guy.

Check out Quinton McLeod's post history.  Really funny stuff.  He gets so caught up defending Nintendo and generally disagreeing with everyone that he ends up forgetting what he was even arguing about in the first place.  A few weeks ago there was a pretty hilarious exchange between him and Marty Chinn about Nintendo's digital download service and Quinton made some idiotic remark about how he likes downloading because then he doesn't have to worry about leaving his ID in his car when he goes to purchase an M rated game at Walmart.  Marty told him that it was kind of a weird thing to say since most people carry their ID and their money together to which Quinton replied that Marty must not know about the Bill of Rights.  It just spun out of fucking control from there.

The guy is insane.

  wat

[Cerveza mas fina]

I would like to hear Cruncheons opinion on the pc vs console thread.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Yeah Steve, it's probably best to walk away from that guy.

Check out Quinton McLeod's post history.  Really funny stuff.  He gets so caught up defending Nintendo and generally disagreeing with everyone that he ends up forgetting what he was even arguing about in the first place.  A few weeks ago there was a pretty hilarious exchange between him and Marty Chinn about Nintendo's digital download service and Quinton made some idiotic remark about how he likes downloading because then he doesn't have to worry about leaving his ID in his car when he goes to purchase an M rated game at Walmart.  Marty told him that it was kind of a weird thing to say since most people carry their ID and their money together to which Quinton replied that Marty must not know about the Bill of Rights.  It just spun out of fucking control from there.

The guy is insane.

  wat

Here's the thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=45459746&highlight=#post45459746

[Momo]

Who here is agent ironside on gaf?

I know most of the Agent(x) posters no idea who ironside is though

[Momo]

http://www.the-coli.com/tsc/75996-life-me-i-cant-remember-who-won-2004-royal-rumble-match.html#.UOkaim81lWI

oh my god

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

On a positive note about GAF, I think this series of threads is by far my favorite: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506069

[FStop7]

I don't understand what Evilore hopes to gain by letting tards like Quinton and Farnham run rampant.  They're going to run off anyone who can actually meaningfully contribute.

[headwalk]

I would like to hear Cruncheons opinion on the pc vs console thread.

worthless premise (2005 was a very different time), entertaining thread. i agree that pc gamers used to cranking console ports to astronomical levels of fidelity and still maintaining 60fps are going to have a rough landing, though. johnny 5770 won't be pleased either and will likely have to make another trip to the flea market.

the bigger risk is that the next xbox has some wonky architecture quirks which devs just fluff out on pc versions: like when high end core 2 duos had issues with 360 ports due to its tri-core cpu.

[Momo]

I don't understand what Evilore hopes to gain by letting tards like Quinton and Farnham run rampant.  They're going to run off anyone who can actually meaningfully contribute.

Controversial/dumb dickbags cause a short term spike in readers. Not sure if EviLore is hitting the google analytic piecharts that hard, but he can't be oblivious to it. When I used to write stuff my editor sometimes would even ask me to shit out controversial content for them thar end of month click targets.

[Shaka Khan]

Evilore is simply unaware of their existence. Also, with the way both spew shameless BS with seeming impunity I'm willing to bet one have alts aligned while the other being a dupe account.

[Momo]

the bigger risk is that the next xbox has some wonky architecture quirks which devs just fluff out on pc versions: like when high end core 2 duos had issues with 360 ports due to its tri-core cpu.

Doesn't sound very MS, nor recent Sony. I think most of the quirks will come from memory speed/bandwidth, bus speed and such not necessarily the destination processors be that GPU or CPU.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I would like to hear Cruncheons opinion on the pc vs console thread.

worthless premise (2005 was a very different time), entertaining thread. i agree that pc gamers used to cranking console ports to astronomical levels of fidelity and still maintaining 60fps are going to have a rough landing, though. johnny 5770 won't be pleased either and will likely have to make another trip to the flea market.

the bigger risk is that the next xbox has some wonky architecture quirks which devs just fluff out on pc versions: like when high end core 2 duos had issues with 360 ports due to its tri-core cpu.

Yeah I think the 720 will have some new architechture that will set the tone and make current PC design flawed.

Also: I NEED CRUNCHEON.

the bigger risk is that the next xbox has some wonky architecture quirks which devs just fluff out on pc versions: like when high end core 2 duos had issues with 360 ports due to its tri-core cpu.

Doesn't sound very MS, nor recent Sony. I think most of the quirks will come from memory speed/bandwidth, bus speed and such not necessarily the destination processors be that GPU or CPU.

 I dunno I think if MS wants to dominate they will have to use some trick like this. Just come up with some new great and friendly architechture that's optimized for gaming.

This is different then Sonys approach with just making some random powerfull but flawed setup.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Evilore is simply unaware of their existence. Also, with the way both spew shameless BS with seeming impunity I'm willing to bet one have alts aligned while the other being a dupe account.

Why you snubbing me baby?

[Eel O'Brian]

I would like to hear Cruncheons opinion on the pc vs console thread.

I can give you mine right now:

There is no "vs."

I just like games, so I play them in all available forms that I can afford. I would never tell anyone not to buy a console/handheld, or to buy a PC over something else. I would advise anyone to build a decent cheap PC in addition to what they already own. Or even just drop a dedicated card into an off-the-shelf system. Given the option, I'll probably always go for the PC version, simply because PC games drop in price quickly - better textures, higher framerate, etc are all just bonuses. At one time or another owned a (3!) Wii, a PS3, a DS, a PSP, a Vita, and a 360 during this past generation. I enjoyed them all while I had them.

PC isn't always better, there are unexpected hassles. I can't get Hunted: The Demon's Forge running to save my life. But the PC version of anything can almost always be found cheaper, you save a lot of money over time beyond your initial investment, and when everything is firing on all cylinders it's awesome.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I owned every single console since the 32 bit gen, I agree there is no vs, its just a title. I don't care what I game on as long as its fun.

Im just trying to give some people a dose of reality tech wise (I think).

[Eel O'Brian]

n/m, just read the thread you were referring to

i think my pc will be fine for a while, there's always a generational transition period with games where they aren't taking full advantage of the new tech (look at stuff like condemned and gun from when 360 launched), probably have to turn down effects, but by the time games really start putting a beating on my system i'll be ready for something new anyway

[Shaka Khan]

Why you snubbing me baby?

I'm not snubbing you bae, I just read the message. I'll agree that it was an entertaining thread, with a half right conclusion reached through iffy premises. I'm not sure if looking at 2005 is the best way to prove your point of "people thinking their existing rigs will carry them to the finish line are wrong."

I'm more interested in why you felt the need to argue that point. Were there a high number of people making those claims?

Edit: fixed this broken post.

[Momo]

I dunno I think if MS wants to dominate they will have to use some trick like this. Just come up with some new great and friendly architechture that's optimized for gaming.

This is different then Sonys approach with just making some random powerfull but flawed setup.

That would alienate devs. With novelty comes unfamiliarity and it will be a repeat of the PS2/PS3 "more in the tank" situations. Also middleware would have to be retooled and the latest iterations of the big engines - Cryengine/UE/Frostbyte/iD Tech are already "next gen compatible" telling me they expect a familiar architecture. It would be quite the turnaround if Sony goes with the familiar and MS goes with the novel, all things being equal we'd likely see the PS4 being the target platform for most games and the 720 being left paddling in a sea of worse ports - where the PS3 was this gen.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I've just got the impression in a lot of next gen threads that people seemed to think that next gen consoles won't bring them nothing good since they already have awesomeorz PC. Its just super annoying and there is no one to tell them otherwise on GAF it seems cause PC gamers are the news kings there it seems.

I agree comparing to 2005 is not ideal, but it's what we have. It's not fair to say Nintendo won't get good 3rd party support based on last gen either, but we all know it's true right?

I dunno I think if MS wants to dominate they will have to use some trick like this. Just come up with some new great and friendly architechture that's optimized for gaming.

This is different then Sonys approach with just making some random powerfull but flawed setup.

That would alienate devs. With novelty comes unfamiliarity and it will be a repeat of the PS2/PS3 "more in the tank" situations. Also middleware would have to be retooled and the latest iterations of the big engines - Cryengine/UE/Frostbyte/iD Tech are already "next gen compatible" telling me they expect a familiar architecture. It would be quite the turnaround if Sony goes with the familiar and MS goes with the novel, all things being equal we'd likely see the PS4 being the target platform for most games and the 720 being left paddling in a sea of worse ports - where the PS3 was this gen.

Well I don't think it will be something like Cell BS, but just some novel optimisation that PC's don't have but would scale well with current tools. MS aren't stupid.

[Momo]

MS aren't stupid.

[Cerveza mas fina]

The real tragedy is I said aren't instead of isn't Momo.

[Great Rumbler]

The real tragedy is I said aren't instead of isn't Momo.

Fifty lashes with a whip for you, Lager!

[headwalk]

I've just got the impression in a lot of next gen threads that people seemed to think that next gen consoles won't bring them nothing good since they already have awesomeorz PC. Its just super annoying and there is no one to tell them otherwise on GAF it seems cause PC gamers are the news kings there it seems.

I agree comparing to 2005 is not ideal, but it's what we have. It's not fair to say Nintendo won't get good 3rd party support based on last gen either, but we all know it's true right?

what we have is a very clear idea of the requirements and trends of performance home entertainment tech in 2012, we don't need to drag up 2005's corpse, put some lipstick on it and force it to sing.

microsoft and sony have no desire nor need to compete for people who have the means to build, accommodate and maintain gaming PCs. they just need to stave off the inevitable day where the only middle man anyone needs between them and their 120" transparent LED wallpaper is their iPad.

gaming will again be the trojan horse, but it's a captive audience. they aren't sweating digital foundry comparisons with gaming rigs. nor should you.

[Momo]

Arent is acceptable grammar since MS is(are) both an entity and a group of individuals.

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[Kabouter]

I've just got the impression in a lot of next gen threads that people seemed to think that next gen consoles won't bring them nothing good since they already have awesomeorz PC. Its just super annoying and there is no one to tell them otherwise on GAF it seems cause PC gamers are the news kings there it seems.

I agree comparing to 2005 is not ideal, but it's what we have. It's not fair to say Nintendo won't get good 3rd party support based on last gen either, but we all know it's true right?

Well, with Nintendo there is every reason to believe the third party situation will remain the same because the conditions that were responsible for that situation in the first place have largely remained the same.

To what degree that's true for the relationship in power between PC and consoles remains to be seen, but it seems likely that it will at least be true to a significant degree. We do know that the low sales figures of PC games do not warrant a large effort on the part of a developer/publisher on making a game run better on different PC configurations. What also hasn't changed is that the types of games most likely to stress a gaming PC the most are also the ones played largely by people who have high-end PCs anyway, so the incentive for developers to really push for optimization on the PC side of things just isn't really there, since much of their target audience can play their cheap port anyway.

Even with that in mind though, it's hard to say where PC gaming will even be in a few years. Between Steam boxes, the ever dwindling sales of desktop computers and the resulting reduced efforts of hardware manufacturers in that segment and the popularity of free to play titles, PC gaming might not look anything like what it does now in a few years anyway.

[MCD]

That was a gaffot post right there, Momo.

[Momo]

That was a gaffot post right there, Momo.

It's unarguably one of the most divisive OSes for both devs and consumers, no amount of spin can change that. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Kabouter as a pc guy yourself I see a lot of people saying PC hardware has changed, what am i missing here?

Your point about the dwindling desktop sales is something i havent even thought about in this regard.

Im curious if F2P will make a transition from ios/pc to consoles.

[Purple Filth]

Steve thoroughly eviscerated that guy but it doesn't matter; that guy is still going to believe PR and bullshit "industy insider" sources.  I was around during the Dreamcast days, I know how desperate fanboys can get.

and thats the thing Steve is just wasting his time on that idiot.

[Tasty]

MS aren't stupid.

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[Kabouter]

Kabouter as a pc guy yourself I see a lot of people saying PC hardware has changed, what am i missing here?

Your point about the dwindling desktop sales is something i havent even thought about in this regard.

Im curious if F2P will make a transition from ios/pc to consoles.

Well what has changed is that PC GPUs, generally still the main determinant of performance, consume far more power and take up far more space than GPUs did around 2004-2005. Graphics cards these days are massive hungry beasts. It seems unlikely they'll make sufficient efficiency gains at reasonable cost for the new consoles to have GPUs that achieve the power the 360 GPU had compared to PC contemporaries. For reference, the 7800GTX you mention had a TDP of 81W, a current high-end GTX 680 has a TDP of 195W, a high-end AMD 7970 has a TDP of 250W. Neither is a dual-GPU card it should be noted.

For CPUs things haven't changed too much, if anything power consumption has gone down there, so they should be able to push considerably more there, and I fully expect them to.

And F2P will definitely make that transition, bet on Sony and Microsoft accommodating F2P as best they can. They aren't going to ignore the money being made there.

[Don Flamenco]

Arent is acceptable grammar since MS is(are) both an entity and a group of individuals.

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i don't think that works for companies.  you'd have to specify the people who work at microsoft. 

i'll riskily post this without googling it first and get told

[Momo]

The people who work at microsoft are
Microsoft are

The thing about Microsoft is
Microsoft is

My argument is the use of either are or is defines how you are using the term, not the term itself.  Lager can use the shield of intent successfully there (well until he admitted his faux pas)



EDIT: I'm going to capitulate pretty easily here btw, I dont want this to become my beard burning NDA/wrestling post sequence.

[Cerveza mas fina]

So the main issue is size and heat right?

What if they go a more cpu heavy route? Or just increase the size of the box again? I mean theres nothing stopping them there right besides looks.

It wouldnt be against the trend either

[archnemesis]

A larger case also means increased costs for shipping/handling and less units on store shelves.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Is that really a real issue. WiiU has a lot units on store shelves right now... Its tiny and uses very little wattsies.

Whole warehouses full of em!

[archnemesis]

I'm sure the first revision of both new next-gen consoles will feature huge cases, but yes, companies actually save a bunch of money on reducing weight and size.

[Kabouter]

So the main issue is size and heat right?

What if they go a more cpu heavy route? Or just increase the size of the box again? I mean theres nothing stopping them there right besides looks.

It wouldnt be against the trend either

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lrL-mTefIiQ/TeglIop0ASI/AAAAAAAAAK4/oeMwtN-ZCt0/s1600/console-comparison-ps3-xbox-360-wii.jpg[img]

They won't go for a much larger box, simply because it has to reasonably fit in people's media centres. Of course there's also the logistical and retail considerations mentioned earlier. Then you have the extra cost of all the additional cooling elements you'd have to include, and the simple fact that when put in a media centre along with other electronics, often in a relatively small and closed space, things are going to overheat like mad if they consume a ton of power.

I expect them to put more focus on CPU this time yes simply because of those consideration, though I don't think the GPU will be a slouch in either the PS4 or Xbox 3.

[Don Flamenco]

The people who work at microsoft are
Microsoft are

The thing about Microsoft is
Microsoft is

My argument is the use of either are or is defines how you are using the term, not the term itself.  Lager can use the shield of intent successfully there (well until he admitted his faux pas)



EDIT: I'm going to capitulate pretty easily here btw, I dont want this to become my beard burning NDA/wrestling post sequence.

that's good because it's not about the grammar for me, it's about winning!

nah, I see what you mean.  "microsoft are" just sounds bad to me.  I wouldn't use it in a paper, i guess.