Game

[radioheadrule83]

The FXAA and moments of increased framerate look really nice in Batman. Considering that its got a very good separate gamepad UI, and often shows separate views for the Batarangs etc -- and that it has its own audio feed for enemy chatter and comms with Oracle etc. it's more than passable. I think they should have tried to lock the framerate though. The experience is probably like playing on a PC that's not quite packing the punch to hit the default 62 frames per second lock specified in the config file, and instead hovering variably around 30. Contrary to the Digital Foundry article, I never really noticed problems with responsiveness... and as it's an absorbing game I never noticed the Frame Rate inconsistencies much, but they are there in small doses. Overall, I'm left with plenty of trust in WB Montreal for Origins, and I can't wait to see what Rocksteady do next..

Talking play-length, I think the worst I've ever been was during the releases of FFVII-IX. I lost interest in JRPGs after that. Before I got heavily into consoles I used to play games like Ultima and Myst which ate up a lot of time too. Point and clicks like Under a Killing Moon, Blade Runner, DOTT, Sam & Max etc too. I remember getting Ocarina of Time the same Christmas that my mate bought Final Fantasy VII, I smashed OOT with ease, then borrowed FFVII and didn't give it back to my friend for about a week. I was playing it solidly -- stupid long sessions -- and dying to get home from school / college to play it. At the time it seemed unreal, ridiculously awesome... and now I don't really care for them.

[ManaByte]

It hits 60fps indoors.

All WiiU games run at 1080p. Digital Foundry is such a MS loving fansite they don't check unless it makes the Xbox look good. I just put my copy in the system to confirm, and it stays at 1080p (PS3/360 games switch the TV to 720p):
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Pretty sure it's just upscaling, not rendering at that resolution (pretty sure you have to specifically tell the 360 to output at 1080). Think of DF what you will, but they're not going to make a mistake like that without getting ripped to shreds.

Even if you tell the 360, and PS3, to output at 1080p; it'll only output the dash/XMB at that resolution. The TV will still display the games at 720p.

Every WiiU game outputs at 1080p. There's no 1080p/720p switching like with the PS360.

[radioheadrule83]

The output might be a 1080p signal but that's not to say the rendering resolution is 1080p necessarily... I think Rufus is saying it's scaled to 1080p after rendering. To play devils advocate here, DF are the sort to engage in pixel counting shenanigans, they probably do have it right. But for all I know, maybe you do! It doesn't matter to me -- I've not actually checked myself to see what resolution my TV says the games are outputting.. I think it's a good looking title through and through, and probably one of the best value games you can buy on the system.

That DF article and Reggie's transparent and embarrassing "It's not the same content" bullshit really did a lot to damage the prospects of the port IMO. I imagine people who worked on it are pissed off by what dumb PR / forums / media did to it.

[Rufus]

I think Rufus is saying it's scaled to 1080p after rendering.

Yes.

[Joe Molotov]

I can't imagine I've put that much time into gaming in a row since I started to have serious responsibilities in life... so it was probably forever ago, and probably a Phantasy Star game.  (OG series, not PSO, which sucks donkey balls)

I can barely play more than an hour at a time these days, but I put ~25 hours into Shenmue over 3 days back in 2000.

[Madrun Badrun]

Clearly you people need to play more civ.

[bork]

Huh? Looks pretty much the same with sometimes better framerate, but at the cost of responsiveness when it tanks, no mention of 1080 or 60fps anywhere:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-batman-arkham-city-wii-u-face-off

It hits 60fps indoors.

All WiiU games run at 1080p. Digital Foundry is such a MS loving fansite they don't check unless it makes the Xbox look good. I just put my copy in the system to confirm, and it stays at 1080p (PS3/360 games switch the TV to 720p):
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It's too bad that everything else about the game seems to be worse.

[maxy]

Even if you tell the 360, and PS3, to output at 1080p; it'll only output the dash/XMB at that resolution. The TV will still display the games at 720p.

 

360 dashboard is always rendered at 720p(native).360 output is whatever you set in settings(via gpu upscaling).PS3 is a different matter because its internal gpu scaler is broken in one dimension(must be done with software).

Modern 1080p TV output is always 1080p,no matter what you stick in it.

As for WiiU

WiiU

Assassin’s Creed 3 = 1280x720 (post-AA)
Batman: Arkham City Armoured Edition = 1280x720 (FXAA)
Carl on Duty: Black Ops 2 = 880x720 (2xAA)
Darksiders 2 = 1152x640 (post-AA)
Mass Effect 3: Conrad Edition = 1280x720 (FXAA)
Monster Hunter 3G HD = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Need For Speed: Most Wanted (2012) = 1280x704 (post-AA)
New Super Mario Bros. U = 1280x720 (no AA on world map, post-AA in-game)
Ninja Gaiden: Razor’s Edge = dynamic up to 1280x720 (dynamic 2xAA)
Rayman: Legends = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed = 1024x576 (post-AA)
ZombiU = 1280x720 (post-AA)

[Cindi Mayweather]

Why the fuck does Super Mario 3d World not have online play?

[archnemesis]

It's a Nintendo game.

[Cindi Mayweather]

[ManaByte]

Even if you tell the 360, and PS3, to output at 1080p; it'll only output the dash/XMB at that resolution. The TV will still display the games at 720p.

 

360 dashboard is always rendered at 720p(native).360 output is whatever you set in settings(via gpu upscaling).PS3 is a different matter because its internal gpu scaler is broken in one dimension(must be done with software).

Modern 1080p TV output is always 1080p,no matter what you stick in it.

I have a 55" LED Bravia. When you play a 360 or PS3 game, it switches to 720; even if you have the system set to output to 1080p. Again, the dashboard will output 1080p, but the actual games output 720p.

[Flannel Boy]

Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed = 1024x576 (post-AA)

 

[Human Snorenado]

It's a Nintendo game.

[Joe Molotov]

Even if you tell the 360, and PS3, to output at 1080p; it'll only output the dash/XMB at that resolution. The TV will still display the games at 720p.

 

360 dashboard is always rendered at 720p(native).360 output is whatever you set in settings(via gpu upscaling).PS3 is a different matter because its internal gpu scaler is broken in one dimension(must be done with software).

Modern 1080p TV output is always 1080p,no matter what you stick in it.

I have a 55" LED Bravia. When you play a 360 or PS3 game, it switches to 720; even if you have the system set to output to 1080p. Again, the dashboard will output 1080p, but the actual games output 720p.

Are you playing games that support 1080p?

[Cindi Mayweather]

Catsuit Peach is SO CUTE though. Why Nintendo?! ONLINE PLAY, PLEASE!

[Cindi Mayweather]

Jesus Christ, I just watched this vid with cat suit Toad, and he is fucking adorable.

How in the fuck does Nintendo do it?!!?

[maxy]

Even if you tell the 360, and PS3, to output at 1080p; it'll only output the dash/XMB at that resolution. The TV will still display the games at 720p.

 

360 dashboard is always rendered at 720p(native).360 output is whatever you set in settings(via gpu upscaling).PS3 is a different matter because its internal gpu scaler is broken in one dimension(must be done with software).

Modern 1080p TV output is always 1080p,no matter what you stick in it.

I have a 55" LED Bravia. When you play a 360 or PS3 game, it switches to 720; even if you have the system set to output to 1080p. Again, the dashboard will output 1080p, but the actual games output 720p.

HDMI or component?

[Human Snorenado]

Jesus Christ, I just watched this vid with cat suit Toad, and he is fucking adorable.

How in the fuck does Nintendo do it?!!?

[ManaByte]

Even if you tell the 360, and PS3, to output at 1080p; it'll only output the dash/XMB at that resolution. The TV will still display the games at 720p.

 

360 dashboard is always rendered at 720p(native).360 output is whatever you set in settings(via gpu upscaling).PS3 is a different matter because its internal gpu scaler is broken in one dimension(must be done with software).

Modern 1080p TV output is always 1080p,no matter what you stick in it.

I have a 55" LED Bravia. When you play a 360 or PS3 game, it switches to 720; even if you have the system set to output to 1080p. Again, the dashboard will output 1080p, but the actual games output 720p.

HDMI or component?

HDMI

[maxy]

Sounds like your TV doesn't like Xbox 1080p signal.Some TVs have that problem.

Set it to 720p and let TV do the rest,dashboard is 720p native anyway.PS3 on the other hand supports 1080p native xmb.

[ManaByte]

Sounds like your TV doesn't like Xbox 1080p signal.Some TVs have that problem.

Set it to 720p and let TV do the rest,dashboard is 720p native anyway.PS3 on the other hand supports 1080p native xmb.

I'm not talking about the dashboard. I was talking about the games. They run in 720p, not 1080.

[maxy]

Most of the games are 720p native,you are not losing much.Your TV will do 720p-->1080p upscaling.

[AdmiralViscen]

Shut the fuck up already

[Phoenix Dark]

I've probably played Pokemon for 10 hours before. Outside of that I know I played WoW for that much in a day; not 10 hours straight, but 10 hours spread around.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Jesus Christ, I just watched this vid with cat suit Toad, and he is fucking adorable.

How in the fuck does Nintendo do it?!!?

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I seriously cannot help it. Cat suit is so cute!

 http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=66032011

THis gaffer agrees with me

[Cindi Mayweather]

Between 3d World, NSMBU, and Monster Hunter I just don't know anymore! I'm so confused! No, I do not want a Wii U. I DON'T WANT A WII U.

I want a wii u.

BUt since 3d World doesn't have online play I won't GET a wii u. lost a sell, assholes.

[Steve Youngblood]

I seriously cannot help it. Cat suit is so cute!

 http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=66032011

THis gaffer agrees with me

[Cindi Mayweather]

[Huff]

Jesus Christ, I just watched this vid with cat suit Toad, and he is fucking adorable.

How in the fuck does Nintendo do it?!!?

(Image removed from quote.)

I seriously cannot help it. Cat suit is so cute!

 http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=66032011

THis gaffer agrees with me

[Human Snorenado]

Jesus Christ, I just watched this vid with cat suit Toad, and he is fucking adorable.

How in the fuck does Nintendo do it?!!?

(Image removed from quote.)

I seriously cannot help it. Cat suit is so cute!

 http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=66032011

THis gaffer agrees with me

Seriously, that should be a bannable phrase

[Damian79]

What is worse is is that it isnt even a woman who said that.  It is some gaffer dude who thinks he understands women.   

[Flannel Boy]

Sign you don't understand women: You think they're capable of being understood.

[Cindi Mayweather]

What is worse is is that it isnt even a woman who said that.  It is some gaffer dude who thinks he understands women.   

yup

[Your Stalker]

Since when did anyone care what women really think anyway

[Flannel Boy]

 

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm confused, why do you want online for 3D World?

[Damian79]

I'm confused, why do you want online for 3D World?

Its 1-4 player.

[Cindi Mayweather]

I'm confused, why do you want online for 3D World?

it's a game with multi as a huge focal point.

[Flannel Boy]

But it's impossible without the power of the cloud.

[Cindi Mayweather]

[radioheadrule83]

I wish people were haranguing Nintendo to make the game online, which they COULD do, rather than begging them to go region free, which we all know won't happen. They're retailer/distributor protectionist in the extreme.

Their older fans don't have whimsy gatherings anymore, its time to fuckin sort it out. Online or shitstorm.

[Cindi Mayweather]

Seriously.

[maxy]

If people in Japan moaned about it,would they do something?

[Damian79]

Cant they patch it like they do the OS?

[cool breeze]

People should be asking for a proper account system.  It's wild that there isn't one in place.

[Tasty]

People should be asking for a proper account system.  It's wild that there isn't one in place.

I have been.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44534544&postcount=733
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503120
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61183649&postcount=328

[mjemirzian]

Will there ever be a Japanese only Wii U game worth buying a JP system for? I doubt it.

Even 3DS hasn't had much (or anything) worth importing a JP system for.

[Huff]

There arnt enough games for Nintendo to be picky about making them region specific

[Mr. Gundam]

Will there ever be a Japanese only Wii U game worth buying a JP system for? I doubt it.

Even 3DS hasn't had much (or anything) worth importing a JP system for.

They'll probably get a table scraps Super Robot Wars game at some point.

[cool breeze]

Will there ever be a Japanese only Wii U game worth buying a JP system for? I doubt it.

Even 3DS hasn't had much (or anything) worth importing a JP system for.

agreed, although you could argue localizations efforts have improved.  For example, Umihara Kawase 3DS is coming out in America; I had to import older games in that series.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Whelp, I'm done with the Wii U.

Now my Wii U won't recognize internet at all.  Keep in mind that every other device in my apartment (PC, laptop, TV, 3DS, Vita, and iPhone) can pick up my Wifi signal just fine.  It's the fucking Wii U, which is located closer to the Wifi than the TV.  I wanted to watch some Arrested Development and couldn't.  I did all kinds of things (re-entered information, unplugged it from the wall, turn off-turn on quickly, etc.) I was all "You know what, fuck this shit."  I called up a cousin of mine who has a young family who lives in the middle of nowhere if they want it.  They graciously said yes.  So this weekend, I'm going to drop it off.  Granted there are some mature games like Monster Hunter but they can throw those away if they want to.

It was just a Netflix box anyway, which my TV, PC, and laptop can handle just fine.

December 2012 - June 25, 2013

I would say it was fun but it wasn't.  It was a symbol of how I have more money than sense and I hope that I'm more fiscally responsible in the future.

[Human Snorenado]

Whelp, I'm done with the Wii U.

Now my Wii U won't recognize internet at all.  Keep in mind that every other device in my apartment (PC, laptop, TV, 3DS, Vita, and iPhone) can pick up my Wifi signal just fine.  It's the fucking Wii U, which is located closer to the Wifi than the TV.  I wanted to watch some Arrested Development and couldn't.  I did all kinds of things (re-entered information, unplugged it from the wall, turn off-turn on quickly, etc.) I was all "You know what, fuck this shit."  I called up a cousin of mine who has a young family who lives in the middle of nowhere if they want it.  They graciously said yes.  So this weekend, I'm going to drop it off.  Granted there are some mature games like Monster Hunter but they can throw those away if they want to.

It was just a Netflix box anyway, which my TV, PC, and laptop can handle just fine.

December 2012 - June 25, 2013

I would say it was fun but it wasn't.  It was a symbol of how I have more money than sense and I hope that I'm more fiscally responsible in the future.

Best birthday present ever

[Damian79]

http://nintendoeverything.com/index.php/126625/sakurai-on-how-smash-bros-wii-u3ds-came-to-be-not-opposed-to-dlc-patching-why-villagertrainer-are-in-more/

Sakurai on the level of customization in the game…

You can still manage the appearance of items, but you cannot disable the damage caused by the stages. If we propose such an option, it might as well be PlayStation all-stars!

[magus]

Whelp, I'm done with the Wii U.

Now my Wii U won't recognize internet at all.  Keep in mind that every other device in my apartment (PC, laptop, TV, 3DS, Vita, and iPhone) can pick up my Wifi signal just fine.  It's the fucking Wii U, which is located closer to the Wifi than the TV.  I wanted to watch some Arrested Development and couldn't.  I did all kinds of things (re-entered information, unplugged it from the wall, turn off-turn on quickly, etc.) I was all "You know what, fuck this shit."  I called up a cousin of mine who has a young family who lives in the middle of nowhere if they want it.  They graciously said yes.  So this weekend, I'm going to drop it off.  Granted there are some mature games like Monster Hunter but they can throw those away if they want to.

It was just a Netflix box anyway, which my TV, PC, and laptop can handle just fine.

December 2012 - June 25, 2013

I would say it was fun but it wasn't.  It was a symbol of how I have more money than sense and I hope that I'm more fiscally responsible in the future.

i'm not sure if this is going to help but the DS and the wii have trouble picking wi-fi signal unless your router is set on either channel 1 or 11

You could try going into your router settings and change the channel it's using.  Nintendo recommends using either 1 or 11.  Typically, the routers will use 6 by default, so if your router is set to channel 6, and you have a neighbor whose router is set to channel 6, they could be interfering with each other.

try to do that?

oh also apparently there is some pikmin 3 stream in 30 minutes going on in case anybody cares

http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/06/pikmin-3-nintendo-direct-live-stream.html

[archnemesis]

That's interesting. I just changed to channel 11. Let's see if this will improve it.

[radioheadrule83]

It's perfectly possibly his Wii U has a busted broadcom chip or something. If he's unhappy with it, he might as well give it to family, but if it were me I'd be giving Nintendo shit on the phone until they sent me a machine that worked.

Having said all that, he mentioned issues around Netflix ---- I had problems logging into Netflix after the last update, problems I couldn't understand for the life of me. It was like it just couldn't contact the service. I uninstalled the app, deleted the save data, and redownloaded. I also logged out all devices from Netflix by going to the website on my computer, and the My Account page. When I signed in on the Wii U again, it worked, and its worked fine ever since.

It sounds like he's already ruled out firewall issues by putting it in the DMZ, and tried things like setting up a static IP, and manual DNS entries... you should only really need to do that when you've got a crazy router firewall (sometimes school/college firewalls), or if your ISP's own DNS isn't resolving Akamai's servers or something (in which case you would probably have similar issues on PSN) -- but I do know that stuff has worked for people.

A good idea if you're having wireless trouble is to download an app called InSSIDer on your phone or tablet. It will show you which wireless networks are operating on which channel bands -- it'll show a bracket that overlaps a few channels, and as you watch you might see some of them change dynamically. Basically, the middle of each bracket is the channel that said network(s) is operating on. Dim or faded brackets are weak enough that they are unlikely to cause you problems. There's also a spectrum analyser that will show signals on the relevant RF spectrum -- which is useful, because you can see how turning on a cordless phone or microwave (for example) affects the wireless environment. Basically, it can help you pick a channel that is relatively interference free.

There are PC, iPhone and Android apps:

http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider/
Interference identification guide: http://files.metageek.net/marketing/Interference%20Identification%20Guide.pdf

If you STILL have trouble getting basic internet access, having ruled out something like that, something is obviously wrong with your machine - that you paid good money for. It's a phone call.

[demi]

The eShop menu on 3DS is awesome.

[magus]

[Cindi Mayweather]

seriously the best thing about wii/3ds is the menu music. fucking